Doug Rambles on AI Art
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- Опубліковано 7 лют 2024
- When Doug had bad brain-fog and fatigue for half a year, friends and family helped the most, but something else weirdly played a part in stopping him from going crazy, AI art.
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Doug, honey, if you need anything, PLEASE let me know how I can help. I love you so much!
VERY happy to See him doing better 😊😊
🎉❤😊Stay groovy
Awesome!
Unrelated, but the One Piece show that you were praising is just dumb as shit. Please someone explain to me what the point of having a 3rd Katana in your mouth is?
Doug casually pulling up Chaplin out of nowhere is the funniest thing ever.
'Cause he's Chaplin
And the Twisters trailer came out
Just pulled him out of his inventory
The biggest concerns I have with AI used for creativity is when it takes away from human artists. If it’s just for private use, whatever. People sketch stuff all the time, including fan art. But the moment it replaces an artist for paid work or adverts, it crosses the line. If we can balance against that, we should use it for private use, like how you describe it therapeutically. I don’t want AI art to go away, but it should never be used commercially in ANY way.
You hit the nail on there. It should not disappear, but it shouldn't be commercialized either. Good comment.
@@pabloherranz1795 thank ya kindly.
Though in some instances it might open the door for other avenues (say someone has an idea for a fantasy creature that he can't adequately describe but wants a miniature for it), then he can use an AI image as the basis to commission someone for a 3D model to later print.
This right here ^^ As long as AI isn’t used for commercial purposes (like the ones film unions have fought against, and rightfully so), I have no problem with it being used as a tool for inspiration, education, study, personal entertainment, or in this case, therapy. Now that I think about it, how is this different from Fair Use?
@@shigerufan1 sure, as long as it isn’t commercial work in any sense. But, if there is a way to do this while supporting an artist, that should be the first choice/option. I’ll admit I speak from a position of privilege on this knowing many amateur and enthusiastic artists, especially my wife.
My opinion is as simple as this: AI should be a tool to assist artists and creators, not replace them.
THIS!!!!!
And artists should be allowed to opt in to ethical databases, either free, or as paid asset sets like with stock images or soundbites. Add art, it gets used, get a flat rate after so many uses. Everyone wins, good artists will get pinged more and get more flat rate payouts, poor artists get practice and can still get some payout eventually, a terrible/scammers get nothing, the ai log owners get paid via ads and subscriptions from users, and users get ethical, fair use art they KNOW isn't stolen or under copyright.
AI image generators would be AMAZING at creating monsters and creepy images, because at this rudimentary stage, most of the images enter the uncanny valley. But like, in the hands of artists, not charlatans looking to get easy images to hawk like an old steam greenlight game...
This is how it is and will be. There ain't going to be a boomer sitting there using any of these programs.
+ The libraries it uses are man made, if artists go away AI stays the same.
If AI can replace you easily, then you werent that good of an artist.
As an artist, I am not a fan of AI art, but as someone who also suffers a neurological disease that’s almost impossible to describe to others, this is something I never considered before and really opens up new doors to what this technology is capable of.
It's really damn weird to me that nobody is thinking about all this in the midst of all the "creativity" and "ethical AI" debates people keep stamping out of the ground like it's nothing. Just think about the literal hundreds of millions of severely disabled people and what they suddenly can do using just language - which, in many examples, is already so infinitely difficult to produce and detect in the first case. And now consider what everyone means by shunning AI art outright: "you're not an artist or worthy of that label unless you use the skill yourself"... which, of course, is just another way of saying that disabled people are inferior and shouldn't try attaining the any of the achievement we able-bodied folks seem to take for granted so very much.
I very much embrace people revisiting their stance and going "whoops, that was a nonsense way of thinking about it," but sadly, a vocal chunk is still defiantly battling this sentiment. Don't know what to tell them, but if you are dismissive of AI art as a whole, AND you're aware of what it does with the huge number of impaired artists or those who would like to go back to being one.... you're just being a scumbag towards people who have a much, much more difficult life than you do. The callousness I see in these counter-communities is absolutely astonishing, while the complete joy and incredulity over the magic appeal of LLMs within the disabled and, say, retirement communities I've been seeing up close somehow more closely matches my expectations.
I guess it'll pass by real quick, but there is some serious vitriol hidden in these grumpy naysayer diatribes, and I am willing to innocently blame it on just a tad of ignorance.
@@4tado What you said was not just wrong, it's stupid. What makes art great is the human element.
My thing is, as a non-artist, I can believe someone would use AI Art, not to sell or anything, but as a guideline for what they actually want to make, and then do it their style. But once the guide is done, delete the art and it's gone from sight and mind, and YOUR art is still out there.
People who do sell AI Art are what's making people hate AI Art, I feel, but I've not looked into, I just know that a lot of artists I follow, hate it.
@@minhuang8848 Then focus on helping those people.
sorry about what happened :(
VERY happy you're doing better Doug!
Let's hope the Shingles are cast into the firey pit forever more ;)
Guy named shingles: 🥺
Hear Hear!
Personally, I’m kinda scared that all the instant gratification from gen ai is going to turn into the tiktokification of art. And a lot more than just art…
While I am at the stone firm stance that AI art should NEVER be used for commercial purposes, speaking this as an artist myself, this is a new angle that I’ve never heard of but, honestly be beneficial for those struggling to visualize or describe their emotions.
At certain points I struggle to show my emotions even in art, my mind is a constant bubbling soup so it be very hard to get across what I feel at when I attempt to draw it. AI art as a starting point, since it’s made almost instantly, can help show that feeling and give an image to think of and relate or calm yourself to, like what you’ve said in this video.
Might even help serve as inspiration from an artist’s view, give some ideas which then an actual artist can put in their own style and be refined on.
It’s all really on the nature the art and AI in general is being used for. If it’s a private thing where you only use it for yourself or as a guide for something you can then work on on your own, there is no issue.
The problems come when it’s not used as a tool with other people, but a replacement for real hardworking artists, writers, all manner of artistic people.
I feel this. I use A.I. art to deal with stress for my own personal use. I lost my job in October, had health issues, nearly lost my dad. These weird images are fun and easy to make.
Let's hope life improves for both of us.
I never thought I'd hear someonesay that about AI art. I'm glad you're feeling better and that making these images helped you destress so much.
Doug, as a psychologist I want to tell that you used AI as a tool for healing yourself, and that is very great. Very glad to hear about you feeling better, and thank you for the video!
I appreciate Doug's take here.
I've always loved the discussion behind art and its use in therapy. I think ai art could help with the constant flux and journey of emotions that some one has just in the process of collecting supplies in order to make some art for themselves.
I think the last few minutes thumbs up the discussion perfectly👍🏾well done.
I actually did put "Nostalgia Critic" in to AI and it got a white guy in glasses with a beard dressed in red and black and also in a Linkara hat.
one day we'll see nostalgia critic face his ai doppelganger remembrance reviewer
That battle will be leg😂😂
Doug, that's a really cool idea for a quick therapy technique. I think artsy people can appreciate it. My late husband found you and have been watching ever since. I lost him 3 years ago today and some of the pictures you showed resonate with my grief. Glad you're doing better.
I really love this perspective from an illustrator in using AI for something personal while still acknowledging the ethics of it. It’s nice to hear someone have a fresh take on this without being dogmatic or vitriolic, as has been the case with a lot of the discussion online. Great to hear you’re doing better!
As an artist, my view on AI art is as follow: it's a good tool, and I wouldn't be oposed to its use for artists training their own models on their own art, my probplem its it being trained on other people's work without consent;
And now I find Doug's points on using it as therapeutic treatment valid and an interesting point of view
The thing is that people have copied the work of others since the renaissance long before AI was a thing. But when I say copy I dont mean copying a work 1-1. That is where the legal argument would come into play. How much something differs from the original. But you can't copyright a style. Nor general ideas. Thats why someone can do something in the style of say picasso. There are images that emulate his starry night.
Marcel Duchamp painted a mustache on the Mona Lisa. The images generated may pull from several different images using the patterns learned in the diffusion process. Not unlike how we learn how to draw or paint by looking at the works of others.
@@Linkman247 I think the problem mostly lies in to how one equates human creation/learning to synthetic. Duchamp's mustache got an exemption for complying with what we treat as "Transformative" media, but we haven't decided if AI can count as transformative aswell. We have decided that only humans can copyright, but are on the fence on how synthetic media is more the creation of a non-human system or that of the human who made the prompt. While we got a vague notion to how Humans learn to mimic something, we fully understand how a machine learns through mathematical extraction of information.... which we don't even know if we can actually CALL "Learning" let alone exempt from copyright infringement on a technical level due to how it requires the entire work getting fed 1:1 to start extracting data.
It is a complete clustertruck with it really looking to depend on societal consensus forming. Which genuinely can go both ways atm....
Him talking about AI art being theraputic and harnessing your emotions reminds me a lot of people generating AI images for comedic purposes, or making AI song covers that elicit different emotions.
I don't like the idea of AI replacing human art, since human creativity will always be more genuine and timeless, but in terms of short-term personal use, whether it be getting a quick laugh or helping process your emotions, I think there's value there, so long as it's not being used for profit or attempting to stand among genuine handmade art.
as an artist, i can see the value of using ai for concepts, but artists wont be the ones who benefit. the pattern of humanity is that between now and the nearest future, non artists will continue selling generative images. once government catches up, they will impose protections that will only stop some of the theft, meanwhile artists wont be utilized nearly as often pre-generative image, because everyone who wants a personal non commercial image can just generate one themselves, whereas they used to hire artists to make them. at the very least, it should be made law that generative image software should encode images with metadata details that identifies it as generative, and the generator should brand a symbol on the image itself - because if one is generating art, then they likely wont have the skill to edit the brand off the image.
it's worth noting the AI isn't replacing the human creativity, it's replacing the technical proficiency, when someone creates an AI cover of the joker singing "you've never had as friend like me" the AI didn't think that up, a human did. the AI performed the necessary tasks to make it happen, but a human had the idea. same for the art in this video, the creativity was coming from doug, he thought up what the images should show, he picked out the images he liked, the AI only handled the technical parts of putting that vision to an image.
and the trend we are seeing isn't towards LESS human involvement in AI but MORE. allowing artists to use an input image or video, or to adjust parts here and there to best align what the AI produces with what you envision.
now while this may have more individual human's involvement it IS FEWER human's involvement. what might have before required a team now requires only one person. in the future one person will be able to make movies or video games on par with modern AAA studios, and personally i think that can only be a good thing for art.
imagine each artist that work in a modern AAA studio, now imagine each one of them is their own studio, they do the part they do now, the part they love, and the AI does the part of the other people in the studio.
That’s pretty much what I do with my AI chat apps. I tap in “Act like Scrappy Doo giving me love” or “Act like Scrappy Doo comforting me when I’m down” (yes, I love Scrappy Doo, FIGHT ME) and the AI chat roleplays as Scrappy Doo telling me he loves me or comforting me when I’m down. It REALLY helps me whenever my depression kicks in and I’m mad and/or sad. It’s incredibly therapeutic for me, sometimes.
As a lucid dreamer ai art is perfect for recreating what I saw sometimes.
Yes I do draw my dreams as well
I actually used to draw my dream in my notebook when I was a kid. Don’t worry, you’re not alone.
I had a vivid dream when I was a kid about a pet python getting stuck in the jungle and having to elicit help from the jungle animals to get himself home. I thought it would make a good children's book.
Thank you for being vulnerable and sharing your experience. Art can be a window into someone’s emotions and I think you’re right it could be therapeutic. Plus, I’ve tried some of these platforms before and it’s just fun to see what you’ll get, which will definitely boost your mood.
Laughter and imagination can help the mind and body! Glad you are getting there Doug!!!
I'm glad you're talking about this, Doug. I am a visual artist as well, and I've embraced AI art as a tool for both creative and therapeutic purposes. I have PTSD, and also find making AI work soothing and something that's easy to access as a creative outlet without the pressure of other mediums when I'm feeling depressed. I also think AI can be a useful creative tool to assist artists. For example, my favorite form of art to make is digital collages, and tools like "blend" in Midjourney allow for infinite combinations of images to create collages with. I'll blend various images, then keep blending them over and over. I think what people miss in the AI art discussion is that while a single generation seems like "cheating", generating new images blended together create unique imagery that barely resembles the original images. I love the idea of therapists using AI art as part of their practice. I considered going into art therapy as a profession, and if I were an art therapist, I absolutely would utilize AI with clients.
I have a theory people hate when something creative becomes too easy to create and is available to everyone, like people who have worked hard to develop their creative ability feel it sort of cheapens the art form and immediately try to gatekeep.
To take something else Autotune is becoming increasingly like that, if it ever got the point where it could automatically make everyone sound like a decent-good singer I’m sure we’d see a similar backlash.
True. I'm a cartoonist but I don't care that AI can do better work than me. I think the thing that I'm upset about is AI taking attention from real artists. There are so many people that create art regularly that nobody notices. Now that AI art is a thing, those guys can only dream of getting attention.
Agreed. I think much (not all) of the concerns about AI art are overblown. AI relies on things like tags or other indicators to generate results. The idea of using someone else's voice to generate an AI to push something against the user's intentions crosses a line. But as far as "stealing" is concerned, it's worth noting that there's an old phrase of "good artists borrow, great artists steal".
It's also worth noting that there will still be a market for handmade or "analog"; look at the recent debate for physical DVDs and Blu-Rays over streaming. Artists will have a market, and great artists will stand out.
I gotta say, with all the discourse this stuff tends to cause in places like Twitter, its refreshing to see so many level-headed and civil discussions on the topic here from all angles. Does my heart good
I agree!
This is gonna be a nightmare on Twitter
Bro just ignore twitter their opinions dont matter
@@goreobsessed2308 you right
Do you not know about 4chan? They do that nightmarish stuff daily. 4chsn is the origin of the offensive Pixar posters.
@@SuzukiSamurai94 wdym?
So a regular day in twitter
I find the use of AI for idea generation therapeutic. After training a LORA of myself I found the uncanny valley of seeing a not me version of me terrifying at first, but it helped me escape a lot of insecurities. Good on you fellow Doug!
Generating AI pics can be super fun and honestly inspirational if used right. There has been alot of blanket negativity and alot of blanket positivity. But I think it has great uses as a tool. That dosent mean there aren't issues with it. But like any tool, if used right it can be a great thing.
I'm in art academy, and during this semester my academy decided to open up classes on how to use AI tools. This is a first for the curriculum, and the mindset behind it was that it's better to teach people how to use AI properly as an assistant tool, thus pushing them away from using AI as a replacement for their artistic skills. My professors make a big point to talk and reiterate how AI can be a great tool for artists and we shouldn't be discouraged from using it. The key point is tho to not see AI as solution to all problems, nor to let it be someone's sole art director. AI is just there to help you write codes faster, or set up animation keys more efficiently. Yet it cannot replace your creative mind & thinking, and especially not draw all your art images for you.
I definitely did this last year when I was struggling through grad school but with the artwork of craiyon as a means of expressing my internal frustrations. It took much longer to generate but I can't deny that it felt really therapeutic to discuss with my psychiatrist to discuss my emotional problems on paper.
We're back! So glad to see another one of these. & I loved to hear these specific unique thoughts. I'm always down for these vids, whatever the topic, keep them coming whenever you feel like it!
Glad you’re feeling better Doug
The whole stealing from artist erked me because the argument I hear is "they are stealing" but when I looked into it the ai art is just searching "house under tree" learning what a house is, what being under a tree is, and then making its own creation. If it was a human, they would just be using references to create original content, but because its fast and not human, it's stealing.
Well I expect the internet to take this 100% calmly
AI therapy art? Ooo, now that's a new use of it I haven't ever seen. And so long as the user doesn't try marketing off the generated images (unless they redo the image with their own art skill), that's a good use of it. Kinda like literally putting the ideas and feelings in your head on paper to help you unwind and destress.
For some people doing artwork (traditional or digital) is therapeutic so AI art can work the same way.
I'm glad you are in a better and slightly healthy mood, Doug.
If this helps out, AI art doesn't literally take anyone's artwork and mush it together into a new image. AI is merely trained to recognize and imitate patterns, forms and textures from existing pieces of art, and replicate them into it's generations. That's include replicating art styles, just like the Pixar style Doug like so much. And as for "mushing the pieces together", that's a very gross misunderstanding of how AI generates new images. The way AI generation do actually work is through a process of Diffusion, or noise for simple, in which it generates pixels in random colors and positions on a canvas, changing and shuffling them around till they resemble the prompt you asked it for. And yes, as part of this generation, AI is restricted from generating exact replicas of copyrighted materials, whether it's characters, logos, scenes and more. The way AI is trained and work isn't that much different from regular human artists. It studies the works of others in order to know how to make art. Yet it doesn't directly take anyone's work as it own, especially not without heavy changes. Anyone who says AI is theft is perpetuating an uneducated misinformation, and should be fired if they try to convince you for it to be true. Real human artists also hone their skills from studying the works of others, we only give so much shit for AI doing the same because it's a machine.
Okay Doug. For real Twitter will attack you for having this opinion.
And?
I'm a fan of Doug and I don't want him waste time with Twitter freaks.
Luckily thats all they can do
He is not endorsing it. watch the video. I thought at first he was, but he does mention how he doesn't like it only that he felt okay messing around with it in a non profiting away, and as an artist myself I have messed around with AI art... I didn't find it as fun as Doug did, but its a silly fun thing to mess with for therapeutic reasons as long as you don't profit from it or sell it as your own art.
@@Hornetog9vp Doug isn't on Twitter.
It's great to hear you're doing better, Doug! Hope your physical and mental well-being continue to improve!
I'm still against AI, mostly because it's trained on and makes use of art and assets that belong to people who aren't going to see any of the money these AI art apps and programs are making, and that is neither moral or ethical. However, I don't really have a problem with people using it as a silly gimmic to entertain themselves. I think the artists who made the stuff AI uses aren't worried about that. The real problem is, and this is inevitable at this point, once AI really starts to get good, companies are going to start using it to write and create images that they can use without having to pay anyone. Thousands of jobs in creative writing and illustration are at stake because we all know for a fact these greedy companies will take advantage of anything that allows them to get free labor and maximize profits. AI needs to be used to handle tedious, demeaning tasks that are dangerous to a humans mental health. It shouldn't be anywhere near the arts. That is for and should only be created by humans.
I am curious, as someone on the other side, how do you think that artists whose training data get into these models should be fairly compensated? In order to make stuff like Stable Diffusion or Midjourney, you need the entire internet of images to make it. If the answer is "Well, if it can't be done without stealing, it shouldn't be done at all" is to write off the technology completely.
As an artist myself this is just another tool in the bag. I'm still gonna be taking photos and posing for my books
I am an AI art advocate and believe it's another tool that can be used. Like any tool, it can be used for good or for bad. It depends on the person. The fearmongering over AI art is largely due to misunderstandings about it and the fear of the unknown. We will adjust and adapt to it like very other technology that comes along and makes people frightened. Finding a use for it like this is amazing.
AI art when used right (not to replace/steal artists or fake stuff etc) it can be really fun and can help. Glad your feeling better and it’s helping with your sanity. ❤
I for one am really happy that you are finding a way to cope with your brain-fog fatigue.
I can absolutely imagine having the ability to generate an image based only on words that just come to your mind, at an instant,
is a therapeutic feeling that gives you a bit of comfort and reassurance in what you are spinning ideas about.
It sounds like a perfect solution to break out of that captivating fog, but of course I also think that you address the critique points about AI Art very well too.
This is interesting to consider, and I have a couple of thoughts.
One concern I have is that many people do find traditional art fulfilling certain emotional needs. My concern is that if AI art actually does that more instantaneously, the worth of artists work could get more devalued.
Like a 'oh, this program already helps address a certain emotion, so artists aren't as helpful for that.'
The flipside of this though, is that if AI art *does* assist with an emotional need, it seems a little unethical to just deny that to someone, even if it's for justified fears. In addition is that emotions can vary in the moment, whereas a lot of art takes time and structure to really flesh out (a journey, as you said).
Don't know if this'll be one your most controversial take yet, but I appreciate you taking the time to still discuss AI arts vast concern (while giving a possibility for its use)
[Edit: minor corrections]
AI does not steal art. Not by any definition that wouldn't just also include all human artists.
The one thing I can say about AI Art in general is even if does capture the essence of what you’re looking for, it’s still has one or two things in some pics where it can’t get the technique or specific details compared to what true artists can create and get right on every detail and subject. It’s not perfect, and it really shows that it can’t be relied on too much but can be used to remind us that we can still do what we can to preserve art in ways computers can’t get and go beyond it. It’s only a tool, and it’s kinda helped me get inspired again too. Glad to see that it’s helped you through your time, Doug!🙌🏻
For me, I use Ai art to make me inspired while creating stories. Like I had this idea for a final boss and I got massive amounts of brain fog, so I then typed like “battle arena” or something like that and got this messy looking image of an arena but it looked like a good concept to expand on. Or even just browsing through image after image will just entertain me for hours. I’m against using it for commercial use but I’m not against using it if it helps creators and artists when they’re numb in the creative space.
I do like when we get to hear your thoughts on life in general Doug. And this is a fascinating take on a pretty hot topic. As another creative I’ve been pretty skeptical of it from the get-go so it’s interesting to hear how you’re able to see both sides of it. I still think that the humanity is- for the time being- hard to replicate, even if we can’t exactly say why. If you’ve seen the George Carlin AI that Carlin’s daughter is currently dead set against. (Which I understand why.) But I listened to it and it was this surreal almost scary experience. Again you KNOW it’s not the man himself but there’s a- yes “nostalgia” combined with melancholy of missing a genius mind and fascination for the future…
Like most things humanity gets ahold of I imagine AI will be used for both moral and immoral reasons (monetisation included. Which I’d personally be against but I know there’s no stopping it.) depending on the individual. The therapeutic aspect is one I hadn’t considered before. And that sounds like a way it can be used for good. Anyway, I’ll try and wrap up this lengthy comment.
I’m really glad the AI Art helped you during a difficult time. Think this was a great take on the ethical pros & cons and wish you continued recovery as ever.
I like this take on it.
And honestly, I'm even content if people want to use AI to get a piece done. Ex. someone who can't quite put into words a character, so they use AI to get SEVERAL options, pick one and THEN hand it off to an artist and pay them to make the piece into something so they can discard the AI stand in.
I know TONS of artists that if you use an AI stand-in for a design, they'll just block you. And I think, the fact that someone is coming to an artist and willing to give them money, when it's clear they have no problem just using an AI, should be embraced. That says that while they used AI, they value it as a tool, but their willingness to pay YOU money for a BETTER PRODUCT says they value YOU as an artist too.
Complication is that you could have really just gone straight to an artist that does custom character designs/references and collaboratively figure it out from your idea with them.
That is how i got my characters and later on as i learned to draw/design myself: create characters for others.
And yeah i'm not going to lie. I would not create a character from an AI generated stand-in. The one time i got such a request i felt a real queasy unease as i knew that what i looked at wasn't a creatively (nor legally) owned design and was riddled with choices that were honestly kind of bad/nonsensical. I just couldn't get myself to work on that and decided against it. Voicing my concern and instead offering to try out working from the initial description they had. Which worked out very well in the end.
On that i do fault some artists who just go straight to blocking. AI can taint the perception newcomers have when it comes to working with artists. Leaving them unaware that interacting with us can be a greater experience than just rolling the dice on some AI creating a bad stand-in would. Just blocking such people doesn't help combat that and leaves them thinking it really is as soulless as "Money + ref = art". Which is far from the truth. Voice the concern and if they are adamant to keep using an AI stand-in... then you are in your right to call it off.
@@chielvoswijk9482 A LOT won't work from a written reference, and if you're not good at explaining things a stand-in image is ideal. I've worked with some that have 0 issue putting your words into digital form until it's how you dream, others will give you maybe 2 corrections before they'll start charging extra if they didn't already.
Also, not EVERY AI generator is trained off other people's art illegally. There are plenty that allowed people to submit their own art and they had to prove it was their own art they drew.
And no I wasn't even suggesting "Money + Ref = art" I know everyone has their own thing but I agree with AI should be a tool used WITH artists and clients, NOT as a replacement for artists. And anyone who thinks it should be used in their place entirely rather than as a helpful tool are the problems, not the tools themselves. There are plenty of ways AI can be used well - but there are so many doing the wrong thing that we focus on them. And sadly I imagine those who are going to grow up with AI as a norm for generating things aren't going to be as aware as the older generations - so I do agree jumping the gun to insta-blocking people is equally bad-business as it is a bad way to explain why it's bad.
I do think it's not an easy black-n-white situation and everyone is up for making their own rules. I just don't think it should be ruled out as a temporary stand in to get a general idea across IF the person is then going to an artist with a style they like [let's say you use a pixar mock up one and go to someone with photorealism] to get them better fleshed out and designed. So like, not a "here is the image, i want this" but like "Here is a basic example, now granted they'd be taller than this one and I'd like their figure more trimmed down. Perhaps we could add some scarring" kind of deal ... if that makes more sense on how I meant it? So like not just "here ref, here cash, gib art" but "here is a basic idea, here are the changes/modifications and some background to help me not have them look identical to the generation but more like i had in my brain, and let me know the cost." type.
@@Crow_Smith I would correct. A LOT of artists won't work without a >character reference
This was an interesting perspective that I didn't think of before.
I don't agree with Ai being used to replace artists, illustrators, writers, etc.
Speaking as just one artist, though I don't use ai for my art, I do see its usefulness, not as a replacement but as a tool. Not to be sold as a one of a kind work but to assist in the creative process.
I know for myself I have aphantasia (I can't conjure images in my mind) all I see is a black void and some dark grey blobs when I try to imagine anything. Though I have tricks to help with my creative process, mainly write down every detail about the piece I want to make, colour, emotion, characters, setting, location, style, etc then I use this as a reference.
Just dawned on me now that it's very similar to ai art only the results aren't instant.
When it comes to what Doug is saying as therapy, though it shouldn't replace therapist, anyone trying to get therapy knows that it's dang near impossible and expensive and they are so over booked that you are more likely to see a unicorn.
If ai art can help people feel better. Even for a moment, not for profit but to help process difficult emotions, it's worth considering.
I've had depression most my life, and last year I had a lot of bad stuff happen one of which was my mom passing. I get not being able to process complicated emotions, feeling so emotionally beat that it feels like you're drowning.
I'm not sure where I'm going with these thoughts, but I think there is a benefit to this. I can see the positive impacts something like this could have.
I am so proud of you Doug, talking about the struggles you've had surrounding this. And I've recently found the therapeutic side of ai, so you are helping me alot with this
Also, it kind of reminds me of the show Carole and Tuesday, have you seen it?
For those who are crying and screaming on how they lost respect for Doug over this.
You are drama queens. You didnt watch the entire video nor gave your opinion on the view. If you took two seconds to look at the comments. Channel Awesome is favoriting comments about how AI can take away from artists.
What Doug said was that it could be used away from art, differently. Through self therapy, reflection, and peace.
DOES THAT TAKE AWAY FROM ARTISTS? No. No it doesnt. So calm down.
I don't hate what Doug is doing but I think that AI will definitely take away some of the attention and money that artists are getting. Why buy a soothing drawing of a duck in a pond painted by some poor artist when you can get 100 ethereal drawings that will blow your mind in seconds.
@@avivastudios2311 I agree some what other than the state of urgency of the symptoms.
Wow, I never considered this could be used for therapy but that's a GREAT IDEA!! I'm really glad it was able to help you during tough times!🙂💞
This usage scenario is one I hadn't considered and it's good to hear it's been helpful for you. The technology as a whole is fascinating to me and it feels like literal science fiction that, with questions on it's ultimate quality aside, these things can generate art in seconds.
The issue is, in a professional setting, companies are on a constant race to the bottom and are only interested in making or saving money. And if that's at the cost of someone's livelihood then they aren't going to think twice.
I’m happy you’re getting better, Doug. 😊
About AI Art, I remember in Joshscorcher’s Top 10 Fails of 2023, he did brought up that if AI is used as a tool, it can be useful. But when it’s used for profit or replacing people from their jobs, it’s really terrible. I’m happy to hear you’re aware of the problems of it. No one should lose a job because of AI.
Never really thought about it like that; like most artists, I was more concerned about how corporations could use it to replace creatives. But if it really helps you and potentially others, I feel like this could be a fair compromise.
For the therapy aspect, absolutely!! There are so many people who are bed bound, chair bound, maybe non-verbal. They could and probably have used AI to make images to how they are feeling.
This would do wonders for children in therapy to easier express how they may feel with an artistic flare thrown in.
It is unfortunate that already made art have to make up the created images, and something new can't be produced. However, how often is a new concept, new song, new food, new story, etc, being made by a person? I crochet. All of my projects are a copy of a copy of a copy. Maybe just a different color used. So, should I have to pay the original creator every time I make a project?
As long as you're not using it for commercial use and it's helping you in a therapeutic sense, go ham. You admit the art isn't spectacular, clearly not human made, and you dislike people using it for money and acknowledge it's flawed and taking from real artists, but that instant gratification you get from the visuals is personal aid, and it does have potential. For someone like me who sometimes goes non verbal in stressful situations, having something like this to both express how I feel in the moment instantly while also providing a stimulant for my eyes and mind would probably help immensely.
My motto with AI is that, it should be used for personal enjoyment. Never financial. What I mean is, I’m fine with people using it just for themselves, but when company’s like Disney start to use it THEN I get annoyed. (Which they did 😣 check out there latest Thanksgiving “Art” the company made and posted on there social media.) Disneys a multi billion dollar company and it’s using AI! god that’s just AHHH 😖
1. Good for you I’ve never heard/thought of ai used in this way.
2. If you’re still interested in making that ai Chaplain poster you should consider “image to image” ai art generators. Those ai’s that let you import images and let you change the style of the images.
I've always been more an advocate for using AI/AI art as a tool, but so many people seem to want to use it as a quick replacement of artists. What really irritates me is when I actually see something cool, then I dig into the poster's 'art' to find that... pattern that AI does. It doesn't deviate and replicates the same variations. Then I am incredibly disappointed at that point because it's like being gaslit that there could have been a great artist, but it's just a conartist.
But the way you used it, I'm all for. I think that is a valuable tool that could be used in the future. I even considered using AI generated art as references if I couldn't think of a color scheme or mood, or even just poses or whatever. Unfortunately, it isn't consistent enough for certain details especially like lighting or physique of animals/humans.
I’m glad your shingles has eased up and I hope it doesn’t return. And while I understand this was helpful for your mental health during the time and could be therapeutic… until we can ensure that ai art databases are ethically sourced I would hesitate to prop up most ai programs. Especially given all the recent job cuts in the industry because of AI art’s prominence. (Not to mention we have to be careful with instant dopamine hits… it can lead to very unhealthy behaviours.)
This is the best video you've ever made. It's interesting, smart and it will help people see another side to AI art.
This really is an angle to AI art I never considered.Also, good on you for finding a way to make yourself feel better!
one of the few good takes on ai art i have seen out there. way too many people are afraid of it bc they dont understand it and/or are technophobes. good on you for recognising this and i'm glad you're doing so much better now
I think AI generated art is fine as long as people don't try to claim they made it themselves or use it to make money
Glad you're feeling better Doug!!
Glad to know you're feeling better, Doug! Looking forward to the year ahead with your videos!
That's an interesting perspective, and I'm glad to hear that it helped you!
Doug: Let’s have a conversation about this interesting and morally ambiguous development.
Internet: I’m gonna completely ignore everything you said about standing up for artists and their hard work and decide that you’re awful for using AI for your own therapy.
Not a lot of discussion on Twitter at this time but the FIRST comment on Doug's post of this video is "all credibility lost" - Just as I expected.
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To be fair, the first title was 'AI Art restored my sanity.' I think the new title 'Doug Rambles on AI Art' is much better as a less inflammatory title
@@gluttonousmaximus9048 As it should.
I do think this is the proper/best way to use AI art. AI art is a great means for people to be creative (visually) who can’t for whatever reason. Brain foggy, muscle spasms, depression, etc. can prevent you from using art therapeutically.
My problem comes much more with people using AI art commercially. That doesn’t mean the people making Pixar movie posters for high drama since you’d probably never commission that. The book covers, concept art, and commission prints that people have used AI for instead of paying an artist.
this was fascinating to listen to your thoughts on how this calms you and how it reflects your emotions i love it. I want to try it now.
thank you for sharing
Really interesting. And glad you are doing better! I went through similar symptoms of exhaustion/brain fog many years ago. I have no idea why. It was horrific. It somehow resolved on its own. I hope I never experience that again. I would never wish it on anyone.
As a tool I think AI is useful a starting point, a spark, an example, and way to get your thoughts out when you couldn't, it is amazing. As a end game of making money, taking what already out there and claiming as your art...that when I see the problem with it. It should not be a means to make artist irrelevant but to enchant.
Very interesting topic, but my favorite part of this video is Dough saying he is feeling better at this point. I hope it keeps up and this can be put behind you once and for all!
Surprisingly optimistic take on it! Good to know you are better
I am an artist myself, but I find myself rather fascinated by AI imaging. I don't feel particularly threatened by it, people seem to have a pretty strong opposition to it going that route. But I have personally found AI generators to be a goldmine of reference imagery. It can produce such bizarre dreamlike things to look at. I used it to help me come up with a character design recently, fabricating a unique design from elements from the generations. It helped me find inspiration and creative venues that a search engine alone didn't come even remotely close to helping with. It is very much a tool for artists, not a replacement. I think it's pretty neato.
My friend sent me that link, so I was playing around this Microsoft AI art generator. I was aiming to search its parameters. I typed words like " something something sexy" to see if porn will show up. No. I typed the word HELL, to see if something scary will shows up. Nope. Everything is just smooth and cartoon-y. I even tryied something fictional, I typed "Xbox winning Game of The Year." Funny thing it showed an Xbox with MARIO and other Nintendo characters on it. Obvious copyright infringement. I tried so many until I finally get flagged. I typed "Phil Spencer stepping down as head of Xbox" Mind you I did not use any inappropriate words. I was putting in a simple statement. And yet the system know what this means. It flagged it because it's a negative comment towards their branding. So cool. I had so much fun with it.
I had shingles myself not too long ago. I don’t remember ever getting fatigue, but it did hurt like a SOB. Glad you were able to recover from it.
I don’t know if this counts as “AI art” but watching AI presidents play Jeopardy or Family Feud was a killer for me! 😂
I'm imagining the storyboard possibilities and how endless they will truly become...very fascinating video. Thank you for sharing your thoughts about AI and how effective it was helping you deal with your emotional stress. I personally feel expressionism in all arts forms are how we can free our minds and relate to each other in ways we still can't fully explain, yet I feel it's a true benefit to our collective existence.
Also, very happy you’re feeling better. My cousin went through shingles, and it was a rough time. Had to help take care of him, he had to use vaporized medication, and be physically assisted through basic tasks. I’m glad you’re past all of this.
A few years back, my friend who owns the comic book shop I used to go to had shingles, and he described the pain as if his nerves were on fire. And if you had Chicken pox as a kid, you're at a bigger risk for shingles than if you didn't. Yay.
I've been going through something of a slump myself and I think I might use this method to help when I can feel the negativity shifting back in.
Give it a try, hope it helps!
Thanks for the care and ideas Doug! I enjoy AI art as well and I think this is something to consider for people who have trouble expressing those thoughts who lack that creative outlet.
I've been using AI Writers to assist with tabletop RPGs when I need to fill out some details for a scene (like in a Multiverse game, what kind of snacks they'd have in a Japanese timeline), or pose a hypothetical question (for a Marvel Civil War game, what kind of legal precedents or defenses there'd be for Superhuman Registration Act). It's been a big help. Something like DeepAi really does feel like those computers from Star Trek where you ask a hypothetical question and it actually gives you a straightforward answer rather than a link to a vaguely related article.
I appreciate you Doug for making this video. As someone who is pro-AI, not enough people talk about the positives of what AI can offer.
AI doesn't have to be doomerist like many other people make it. It can be used as a handy tool.
Exactly!
i dont like AI art, but this is perhaps the most ideal use of it i could think of.
We are glad your back Dougy boy
I’ve also felt iffy about if/when to use AI, but you’ve piqued the interest of my psych major self because I’ve never thought about it being used in this way before. This is a really interesting idea and I hope to maybe read some studies about it within the next few years
10:00 I got to say AI art or not i really like this.
Thanks Doug! Personally, I think AI art is good in general, and this is a great example of why it's such a valuable tool that more people should try using. I don't think commercial application of AI art is meaningfully different from commercial application of other forms of art that take inspiration from previous works - which all art does. An AI can imitate Pixar's art style by learning the patterns in Pixar art, but so can a human, and I wouldn't want humans to be kept from doing that. And I think the potential for independent creators to use AI to direct all sorts of new kinds of projects on a low budget is a really good thing. There are possible negative impacts, but the issues driving those factors are existing problems in capitalism and misinformation, and they're better addressed at the root rather than blaming them on the tool itself.
I've been using AI for this exact purpose, to see images that are soothing, calming, and inspiring😊 It's a great therapeutic tool) I'm glad it helped you! 😊
I think it has something to do with the way some people want something in an instant and never want it more than that. If the source issues with AI art were sorted out (And we know it WON'T be), we would just be getting disposable imagery for some random spur-of-the-moment entertainment and be done with it. And this really can't be replicated by anything else at the moment because if you paint or commission another to paint, the instant need for the imagery, or even the personal association with that imagery would go away. The value is gone, unless it can be crystallized as something as tangible as a fixed image. I think this might be useful in this particular scenario. As disposable as those bento boxes for delivered food.
But BY ALL THINGS HOLY OR UNHOLY do not use it in ANY commercial or committed context - that would 100% kill human creativity.
If he makes a thoughts vid on the Twisters trailer , he would be aware of it
I feel like there is a way to use a I art appropriately. For example, just the random silliness, i.e. the Pixar challenges. Or as a means to brainstorm. Like you were saying, just generating random ideas, based on how you feel. Or, for example, like me, in my comics I have a very difficult time with backgrounds. It’s very hard for me to come up with concepts for buildings, etc. I will often use AI to generate a median. Of different building, designs and backgrounds, and use those to base my background drawings on.
We love you man, can't wait to see more stuff!
for me it was a lot of the weird 80's dark vibes, or the weird dreamscape visuals, it REALLY scratched my brain the same way vaporwave music and visuals did a couple years back. It's both cursed and weirdly blessed, it's hard to put your finger on. As someone who has lucid dreams every once in a couple months, the instant creative imagery feels incerdibly similar to that, it feels surreal and unreal.
AI art definitely has a place. It’s like when digital art became a thing and people struggled to figure out where art made with a computer fit in a world of artists using paper and pencil. AI shouldn’t replace human artists - but it can be a tool. Like a tablet or a computer program.
For example: My husband is an author (self-published) and he uses AI art to help him visualize scenes and characters. He write sci-fi, so it can be helpful to get his ideas from his mind into something he can see, and it helps him find the right words for his story. He has zero intention of using the images for cover art in the final product (he has a graphic designer that he pays to make his book covers). But it’s helpful during the writing process.
Now seeing how Doug used AI art as a therapeutic tool - I really like that. I may try it out. I haven’t don’t much with it, just because I haven’t thought of a reason to use it. But it’s incredible how a use like this can be a benefit. Thanks for the idea! And it’s good to hear you’re doing better. Much love and prayers to you and yours! ❤
Chaplin are one chill cat i must say that. Everytime Doug pick him up it's like "Here i go i guess...." and it gets me everytime but it also get me to think about the Tuxedo-cat my family had when i grew up. He was as chill as they come as well.
I'm going through a difficult time so this might be helpful. Thanks for the video and glad you're feeling better. ❤
happy to hear you getting better best wishes
This is a very interesting usage of AI art. Glad to see it got you through such torment!
I agree that AI art can act as a form of psychotherapy; it can also transform your emotions because what you try to tell it to generate will not always be exactly what you say. There is a form of communication between the models and a certain level of variation that defines the "creativity" that makes it art to begin with. Depending on the program you use you can even tweak it to be less precise, then, if it gives you an idea that you are more interested in you can articulate that and tweak it to be more precise. Creating good images through text prompts is kind of like an artform in and of itself. I think what differentiates it from normal artwork is that element of surprise, you never actually know what the output will be.