@@sharpmatt229not talking shit, fortnite was doing its own thing, i hate to say it but to say fortnite killed cod is not true otherwise youd have to say minecraft and pub G did the same thing. Battle Royale as a whole killed it because Activision wanted to be Epic Games, bo4 missed out on more zombies maps because of blackout and thats another reason why the aether story ended so terribly in my opinion and Chaos story dropped right when it got interesting. To also strengthen the main point, Warzone same thing but WAY WAY Worse and whats also hella bad is that warzone is shut down but we still have to live with the damage its already done, and due to the people who think they have purpose talking to air everyday promoting warzone saying its good, we get bull shit slop like everything after MW19. Atleast MW19 did something new after that they stopped caring , and people with eyes and a brain can tell.
They pandered to the warzone community hard. Having plates, multiplayer killstreaks, score points displaying in your face, the vibe felt completely gone which is weird after having watched that masterclass of a cutscene for Liberty Falls.
WarZone and the content creators have ruined cod. Also the points system is still garbage it should have never been changed it’s not just the atmosphere of the map it’s just how they tried to make it way to open an easy again.
@@sweatbag_4209the point system changing is a big no for me. Theres no reason to use lower damage weapons, theres no more fun in shooting into a horde of zombies with a smg.
Who says zombies should be accessible? The whole appeal of zombies is that it cast you into some place unknown. Presented you with a challenge. Pushed you into figure things out on your own. Zombies should be about survival.
The business side of call of duty. Why pump money into something that would attract little to no new players? Im fine with liberty being the way it is aslong as the other maps will be like terminus.
@@Daddy-Saxon personally i'll probably wait until most of the maps come out and then get it on sale. at launch this experience doesn't feel worth 70 dollars when other games have higher quality
@@Daddy-Saxonwhy spend years developing something for a new player base that’ll play for a while and dump and ditch the massive loyal fan base who asks for simple content
It’s really sad because they would honestly have a smash hit if they would stop trying pander to everyone! Know your audiences, there’s a reason why there’s a story mode, MP and then Zombies. You have 3 audiences, you can have all three if you do right by all three. If you try mash them all together into one audience you get no audience.
@@Tortuga2223a yeah same here but again, they’re trying to please everyone and clearly it’s not working. Liberty falls is boring as hell. It literally looks like a custom Cold War map.
Simply put, Zombies has been missing “atmosphere” for a while now. I enjoyed CW Zombies, finished all the Easter eggs (and it had replay value to be fair) … but it wasn’t WAW BO1-2-3-4. It just felt … odd. This looks like more of the same.
You mean it has no personality lol. This shit is so boring ( no fun banter between characters or funny lines but not only that it’s fucking colorless boring multiplayer maps with zombies sprinkled in, and I personally hate the armor system and salvage shit it’s so fucking dumb
Devs in the past leading zombies would say zombies needs to be “anti cod” the place where there are none of the usual rules of cod and players can experience something completely different. Modern zombies has completely abandoned this and fell in line with Warzone and multiplayer to become a uniform set of modes and it’s just sad
Multiplayer was long dead in favor of black out. I play both equally and i cant let the community think this without atleast seeing the ther side. Zombies suffers but Multiplayer is in complete turmoil. Thats why they are trying to mix it.
@@angelgomez2694 MrDalekJD just sucked off Kevin Drew the whole time on CODPOD and didn’t bring up any of his concerns he brought up in his “HONEST” opinions video he made today.
@@angelgomez2694 Doesn’t help the MrDalekJD got on his knees and started glazing Kevin Drew on CODPOD instead of sharing the concerns he voiced in his latest “HONEST” opinions video.
@@angelgomez2694 guided is coming in the season after a map releases so when the map drops there will still be a ee hunt and will still be videos with guides
Treyarch/Activision seems to have forgotten who made this game mode popular and explode the way it did It was the fucking zombies community not multiplayer The way they are pandering the multiplayer is disgusting They seriously need to rethink and try to give the zombies community what they want instead of what the multiplayer community wants Treyarch remember who brought You Here
I play MP in COD Games but the reason I played Zombies was it was different from multiplayer and campaign. I loved Zombies because it was unique not because it had mp crap or warzone BS. I am getting sick of this. I never played vanguard but my worst zombies was from MW3 Zombies CW was 2nd worst.
@@MHA01Exactly, people are acting like MP fans inherently don't like zombies because it's different. As if people can't enjoy one thing because it's different than something else they enjoy. In reality the majority of zombies fans were also MP fans, it's how they got introduced to the mode in the first place. It cultivated a huge fanbase because it was its own thing, rather than the typical forgettable/mediocre side mode.
a thing i noticed that this map fails as a zombie map/game design philosphy is that in every stream I see players trying to open many random doors that arent buyable. this to me tells me this map was made for mp or warzone.
@@PeppinSpaghett. doesnt mean it couldn’t have used outbreak assets. it reay resembles an outbreak map more than a traditional zombies map. im assuming they spent the past 4 years working/perfecting terminus while they used outbreak assets to finish the not main focused map. hope that helps understand more.
@@IszCaryll Terminus itself reuses assets. so did every map in existence. that's just how the zombies mode is. the very first non-WaW map (which would be "Five" since Kino was originally a WaW map and thus I'm still gonna count it as one). was reused from the campaign. you also got to take into account that they didn't spend four years working on just a single zombies map. there's the campaign, the story for said campaign, the multiplayer maps, the guns, the mechanics of the game itself, the multitudes of animations that exist and the writing for the game's code. either way, you can probably blame blundell for this map being relatively bland (and hell, all of cold war being bland too) since he took all the creative devs out of Treyarch just because he saw a golden ticket to work on a bungie ip.
With the gameplay we saw in Liberty Falls, it looks more like vanguard and MWZ combined as a finished game of Black ops Cold War. There was nothing resembling black ops 3 beside the gogglegum machine. It’s quite disappointing but it shows we’re following the Cold War and IW formula.
Let’s make a list: scorestreaks, armor, HUD (you can’t change it properly, still so bad), characters that are enjoyable, story is bad and most of all map design. Have you seen the difference between old cod zombies layout and cod since CW? Maps are just wide, you can’t be blocked basically anywhere, you can run freely everywhere no matter the round or location. I hated BO4 so much and I still do today but at least they tried with that (horribly but they tried at least)
Back in the day, I’d play zombies until I was pissed from dying. Then I’d switch to multiplayer and play until the same thing happens. Then switch back to zombies to do it all over again. This was because they felt like 2 completely different games. Nowadays, I just get pissed and turn the whole ass game off because zombies and multiplayer feel the same lmao
The people in multiplayer aren't going to be the ones playing zombies. There's no reason to appease an audience that isn't your core. Each mode has its own fanbase and crossing them over isn't beneficial to anyone. I'm willing to bet this comes down to wanting more money from operator bundles for zombies. It's soulless and going to be a massive letdown. They could make it better with a HUD and map zombification. It can take place on the same day and still look like zombies.
You shouldn’t have to ask why people hate BO6 zombies, it is painfully obvious. Keep warzone and MP separated from Zombies. Zombies needs to be unique like WAS-BO3, not like Cold War zombies. We want unique maps and characters with a unique theme and unique wonder weapons and perks and Easter eggs that are Easter eggs not following objectives and bring back juggs not armour plates and get rid of starting load outs and ammo crates, it’s not zombies. I’m boycotting BO6.
Zombies is just boring and has been the issue is yall want it to stay in the realm that round based is in which is stale and boring .they could give you a bo3 clone and people will still complain
@@JulioHernandez-vi9to lies if they cloned bo3, no zombies games would be bought moving forward ever by most zombies fans, the fact you say its boring and stale tells me you are a casual zombies player at best and most probably a snorezone player, so with that in mind we dont care what you think or say
Most of these content creators were around during old school zombies, so they definitely know why people are complaining. For some reason, they kind of ignore the fact that zombies has gone in a totally new direction that isn't zombies. Even the more critical youtubers act like this new direction isn't the dealbreaker it is.
And this is why I'll never buy a COD again. I've never seen ANY appreciation towards BO4 in a comment section until now. Yeah. None of you deserve OG COD if it took Vanguard, MW2 reboot, THEN A MW3 REBOOT to convince all of you that a dumpster fire is what Activision has long since specialized in doing. Modern day stockholm syndrome
@@ianhopkins7457 Hate to break it to you bud but BO4 is the second to last good COD we got. Right behind MW2019. If you seriously even think CW is better, you're a part of the problem buddy boy.
So, can someone please clarify this for me. Are people mad that there’s two separate maps that have a different aesthetic? Or, are they mad that one of the maps looks like a terrible zombie map?
Day time maps before Black ops 4: Verruct Kino der toten Shangri-la Moon (on earth) Die rise Buried I thought of adding Call of the dead But I remember like, late afternoon darkness, if not just night, it was day time in black ops 4 though
That was the entire point of zombies it wasn’t for everyone it was for ppl who wanted a change of gameplay with a nice challenge since CW they made zombies for everyone so now it’s for nobody cuz it’s trash and they don’t care anymore except money🤦♂️🤦♂️
It’s not that liberty falls is simple that’s the problem; the giant in bo3 was simple too. The problem is that liberty falls just doesn’t have a creepy atmosphere that people wanted like the terminus map
@@paulallen2680 yeah I feel you it’s like they lost their identity when it comes to zombies there’s no eerieness to it anymore no mystery or atmosphere that would leave you on your toes trynna figure out what’s going on now it’s so bland and empty
Imagine if they added health bars, armor, and your gamertag on the hud at all times in mp. Imagine if the hud also showed the health, armor, and gamertag of your teammates at all times as well.
Alot of the problem with skibidi falls is in terminus , like the armor system the hud design (looks like mulitplayer)weapon look like cold wars, both wonder weapons look like varients of others,point systen sucks, main menu sucks,no offline
Black ops 1 zombies will forever be the vibe the touch of zombies. Imma keep it so real here this is exactly why zombies had that arcade shi that way in black ops 3 they could introduce first person arcade but like in a newer black ops setting but keeping the original atmosphere and everything of black ops 1
Liberty Falls is just boring. However I do think it will be good to treat it kind of like a sandbox. A map to go in and test how good or bad each weapon is. Plus easy camo grind.
Treyarch did say every map in the dlc cycle would have a crew so hoping the liberty falls let down is a one off thing. I still think the hud needs that zombies theme to it tho
If you notice, the year they stopped doing season pass and paid DLC, is the year the quality of each map dropped significantly Its nice having free DLC, but when they had to work on maps to a level where people would actually want to buy it, they tried way harder Now once they suck you in with a nice looking launch map, they dont need to bother trying extra hard on upcoming maps, as they no longer need to sell them
Honestly, the simplest change they could make, the lighting. It doesn't have to be night time, but late evening/sunset. Autumn vibes would've fit perfectly.
Shangri-la was on day time, yet was a good map on bo3. It's simply because the simplicity and classy the game which was following the old zombie cods style.
Treyach is simply prefer money over what the og community wants! It's sad we now know the fact, treyach is no longer supporting the og zombies players instead supporting the new style of warzone. And it will continue in this way, since it give them money and they assume the og zombies community will disappear some day.
One thing that bothers me is the pre-order. I haven't been keeping up with the behind the scenes on things but what are "3x Ray gun weapon cases, 3x Flawless Aetherium Crystals, and 3x Legendary Aether tools" Are these the new upcoming monetization they are going to implement into Zombies? Because this sounds like it
I don’t get how people don’t understand how the community was hyped to begin with and then turned. They showed extremely cherry picked videos of terminus with no HUD and some really good cinematics. Obviously people were hyped. But then they showed live unedited gameplay with all of the mechanics of the game. ITS NOT ABOUT LIBERTY FALLS VS TERMINUS. It’s that they showed terrible gameplay mechanics that many people asked to be addressed, PLUS the map was bad. Liberty falls being a bad map is only ONE OF MANY complaints coming in, and most of those complaints aren’t map specific. People, especially the “but Terminus!” Crowd don’t seem to be understanding this…
Someone create a Petition to remove Weapon rarity, armor (bring shields back) , two pack a punch machines (make it like Bo3 only one, you need to punch more often to get the element you want) remove Killstreaks and remove load out, starting with a Pistole.
Yeah it's more like making a perfect hero in a story with no flaws no one would be interested in that character same as here they're giving us everything we won't be interested to do anything with a perfect start because we have everything!!!?
If i want a Chopper Gunner, imma play MP. Get that out of Zombies lmao. Zombies will sadly never be anything close to the WaW - Bo3 Zombies experience. Is it that much to ask for a CLASSIC Zombies experience? Warzone ruined it.
Basically it’s like this you got nuketown zombies map which is more dead decayed looking map and you got basic multiplayer nuketown map which is more clean looking and when you use a multiplayer map for zombies it will never have the same feel to it
Sad Man, Been A HUGE Fam Of Zombies. But Stopped Playing Since BO4. Sad To See The Zombie Community Go Through This For A Few Years Now. Alot I Could Say But There's No Point. Loves Family
I don't think the map is that bad I truly think it's the mechanics I think if they made it just like bo2 3 or 1 and changed it back to the way cod zombies used to be people wouldn't mind the map that much. What they need is the people who make custom maps on bo3 and waw. They took the mechanics of the game and made some of the best maps I've ever played
Its definitely not the Blop3 Zombies format... They stuck with the Cold War format for zombies w/ IW's Modern warfare zombies...Huge Opportunity missed with this one but we got gobble gums back lol
I've been saying this for literally years. Its not about appealing to casuals. Its about appealing to multiplayer people. Same difference I guess in the grade scheme of things but still.
I'm pretty disappointed in what I've seen of BO6 zombies. These open areas/zones on these maps just give off "multiplayer maps" or "Warzone POI" U would hardly see any of these open areas in Zielinski or Blundell era maps. Also the HUD is the exact same as Warzone? Killstreaks in zombies feel really off, take them out please. Wunderfizz is still busted. and the maps look bland lacking any character. I understand that Zielinski or Blundell didn't "make the entire zombies team" .. but u can't tell me that under their leadership - zombies had taste. Kevin Drew (No Offense) has put us in a warzone horde gamemode ... no thanks.
Off topic but I think my biggest issue for this game is both the Hud and armor system. I think cold war had such a good middle ground with how it looked, and the armor system is so much more appealing in CW for me rather than what is to happen with Bo6.
The hud is something they can fix before launch purely because it’s a PNG with animations. But as well if you look at the “dog” round the entire map fills with green smoke and I think having the map with rain and green smoke would give it a more zombies feeling
This solidifies it for me. Zombies ended at BO4's Tag. Hell it should've been done by Revelations where it's just a loop. Zombies now is like Star Wars, shitty story that says 'your heroes failed,' shoehorns in characters no one cares about, and then brings fan favorite characters to be caricatures of their former selves. I wish they just went with the Chaos story over this bullshit that they're clearly going to keep running with. My fucking great grandkids shouldn't be getting the ultimate conclusion in Black Ops 10.
they dont seem to understand that MP Players play MP for competition etc and not for the daylight or map feeling. as a MP Player myself I would rather play MP with a Zombie atmoshpere to it than a zombie map with MP atmosphere
I hate when people use 5 as an example as a none zombies map, when it’s has 2 underground’ zombiefied levels where the zombie outbreak should take place because they’re a secret facility… 5 IS zombies and was a testament on how good zombies was when the studios cared, the could make a campaign map into a zombies map and have it seem seamless…
The first dlc map is gonna make or break the zombies mode. If liberty falls is the outlier and the next map has a crew and good atmosphere, then the community will mostly calm down. I really hope Treyarch is watching feedback
I'm almost certain they don't see feedback if they did everything would be different from the last CW zombies but here we are nothing is different just the same
I’ll be honest I knew those issues of vibes and atmosphere solely from the early reveal we had Day time map in a city, a clean one at that Idk why people are so surprised like we didn’t watch 50 videos about the 3 second sneak peek
Unpopular opinion, I don't think the complaints are justified, since they turned off the easter egg quest for the live stream, I feel the hate is undeserving until the map is officially out.
To grow up playing maps that were made for the love of the community to it being made for the love of quick money and no passion or pride is beyond my understanding. Why is everything made by the people who don’t love their craft. The community that showed so much love for years was abandoned just like that.
We have to remember that all of this is done on purpose, it’s not like Treyarch did this, and didn’t think it was going to be poorly received. There’s a reason behind everything and just as dreamers multiplayer I seen give this game a chance a lot of zombies UA-camrs are also saying if this game a chance because although liberty may not look so well there are still so many things that we don’t know about and a lot to change in two months
Middle finger to Warzone and the Warzone Streamers. They killed call of duty.
Fortnite killed cod
Yo deafkn1ght u a real one for that valid comment dawg
Fortnite killed AAA gaming in general
straight up 🤣
@@sharpmatt229not talking shit, fortnite was doing its own thing, i hate to say it but to say fortnite killed cod is not true otherwise youd have to say minecraft and pub G did the same thing. Battle Royale as a whole killed it because Activision wanted to be Epic Games, bo4 missed out on more zombies maps because of blackout and thats another reason why the aether story ended so terribly in my opinion and Chaos story dropped right when it got interesting.
To also strengthen the main point, Warzone same thing but WAY WAY Worse and whats also hella bad is that warzone is shut down but we still have to live with the damage its already done, and due to the people who think they have purpose talking to air everyday promoting warzone saying its good, we get bull shit slop like everything after MW19. Atleast MW19 did something new after that they stopped caring , and people with eyes and a brain can tell.
They pandered to the warzone community hard. Having plates, multiplayer killstreaks, score points displaying in your face, the vibe felt completely gone which is weird after having watched that masterclass of a cutscene for Liberty Falls.
WarZone and the content creators have ruined cod. Also the points system is still garbage it should have never been changed it’s not just the atmosphere of the map it’s just how they tried to make it way to open an easy again.
Armor was in bo4 zombies not from warzone, just the UI layout
@@sweatbag_4209the point system changing is a big no for me. Theres no reason to use lower damage weapons, theres no more fun in shooting into a horde of zombies with a smg.
I think you might be confusing bo4 with cold war@@alexwade5785
There was no armor plates in b04 zombies there was armor plates in blackout tho.
Who says zombies should be accessible?
The whole appeal of zombies is that it cast you into some place unknown. Presented you with a challenge. Pushed you into figure things out on your own. Zombies should be about survival.
The business side of call of duty. Why pump money into something that would attract little to no new players? Im fine with liberty being the way it is aslong as the other maps will be like terminus.
@@Daddy-Saxon personally i'll probably wait until most of the maps come out and then get it on sale. at launch this experience doesn't feel worth 70 dollars when other games have higher quality
@@Daddy-Saxonwhy spend years developing something for a new player base that’ll play for a while and dump and ditch the massive loyal fan base who asks for simple content
It’s catered towards the sbmm crowd of lower skilled players
bring difficulty back 🙏
It’s really sad because they would honestly have a smash hit if they would stop trying pander to everyone! Know your audiences, there’s a reason why there’s a story mode, MP and then Zombies. You have 3 audiences, you can have all three if you do right by all three. If you try mash them all together into one audience you get no audience.
Damn, straight up huh.
I only got cold war for zombies and same with bo3 so I get it
@@Tortuga2223a yeah same here but again, they’re trying to please everyone and clearly it’s not working. Liberty falls is boring as hell. It literally looks like a custom Cold War map.
Exactly
A game for everyone is a game for no one.
@@Tortuga2223a no way fr on Xbox one ?
Simply put, Zombies has been missing “atmosphere” for a while now. I enjoyed CW Zombies, finished all the Easter eggs (and it had replay value to be fair) … but it wasn’t WAW BO1-2-3-4. It just felt … odd. This looks like more of the same.
You mean it has no personality lol. This shit is so boring ( no fun banter between characters or funny lines but not only that it’s fucking colorless boring multiplayer maps with zombies sprinkled in, and I personally hate the armor system and salvage shit it’s so fucking dumb
Exactly this
Agreed. CW zombies was decent but it lacked that survival feeling to it.
I've put more hours into WAW, BO1, and bo2 zombies since vanguard came out than total hours on cold War. They just aren't as fun anymore
Devs in the past leading zombies would say zombies needs to be “anti cod” the place where there are none of the usual rules of cod and players can experience something completely different.
Modern zombies has completely abandoned this and fell in line with Warzone and multiplayer to become a uniform set of modes and it’s just sad
Multiplayer was long dead in favor of black out. I play both equally and i cant let the community think this without atleast seeing the ther side. Zombies suffers but Multiplayer is in complete turmoil. Thats why they are trying to mix it.
I miss the old zombies. There will never be a time like black ops 1 and black ops 2 zombies
Same. Bo1-2 peak zombies😢
I was just saying that to myself 😂.
@@jpwaitforit5801BO3>
Black ops 6 zombies is not zombies. I want old school zombies back .
Another COD I'll skip.
The only thing Activision cares about is money. If you want them to care, stop giving them your money.
Ok buddy F off get a life it’s the new cod
Try telling thay to people who.are spending other people's money on the game . (Kids, simps)
I mean its free on game pass. Last cod i bought was bo4 since. I might try this if it doesnt requiere a ridículous amount of space
Dude, your exactly right they aren't getting mine that's fo shoooowwww
I won’t be buying either.
Is Zombies really that difficult that MP/Warzone players need to be handheld through everything? I was 11 when I figured this game out
Seriously like bro this truly sucks zombies UA-camrs careers abouta take another drop cuz the Easter egg is guided no need for their videos anymore
@@angelgomez2694 MrDalekJD just sucked off Kevin Drew the whole time on CODPOD and didn’t bring up any of his concerns he brought up in his “HONEST” opinions video he made today.
@@angelgomez2694 Doesn’t help the MrDalekJD got on his knees and started glazing Kevin Drew on CODPOD instead of sharing the concerns he voiced in his latest “HONEST” opinions video.
@@angelgomez2694 Doesn’t help that MrDalekJD didn’t bring up any of his concerns on the CODPOD to Kevin Drew directly.
@@angelgomez2694 guided is coming in the season after a map releases so when the map drops there will still be a ee hunt and will still be videos with guides
Liberty Balls is 100% a campaign asset flip that went to MP and then to zombies.
No...nooo....they can't keep getting away with this!!!🫴‼️
That is how it looks lol
Back to the old games we go. Kino der toten anyone? 😂
I still play there's still people playing!
Liberty Balls
Liberty Falls looks like it could've been a dead island 2 or a Left for Dead location
Or… revelations…..
Dalek looks so depressed while he’s playing
That's literally just how he looks
Yeah but still saying that he is enjoying the map…
@@memaglia8288you seem like a very simple person
Cuz he knows that his and other zombies UA-camrs careers abouta take another drop
@@angelgomez2694 🎯
Who asked for them to change zombies this hard
Can’t believe days where I’d rather have bo4 zombies are happening
Bo4 zombies was not that bad but yeah bo4 zombies maps look better then this
Bo4 is goated, literally the hardest maps of zombies.
@@SnackPackaBowlDude BO4 maps were garbage. Voyage of despair I mean come on guy. BO4 was not good at all. Just not as bad as the last few have been.
@@steelrusty33Yeah it was pretty bad. Just not as bad as the last few modes have been.
@@SnackPackaBowl bo3 the goat
Seeing liberty falls made me go back to bo3 for the real zombies experience
👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Treyarch/Activision seems to have forgotten who made this game mode popular and explode the way it did It was the fucking zombies community not multiplayer
The way they are pandering the multiplayer is disgusting
They seriously need to rethink and try to give the zombies community what they want instead of what the multiplayer community wants
Treyarch remember who brought You Here
I play MP in COD Games but the reason I played Zombies was it was different from multiplayer and campaign. I loved Zombies because it was unique not because it had mp crap or warzone BS. I am getting sick of this. I never played vanguard but my worst zombies was from MW3 Zombies CW was 2nd worst.
@@MHA01Exactly, people are acting like MP fans inherently don't like zombies because it's different. As if people can't enjoy one thing because it's different than something else they enjoy. In reality the majority of zombies fans were also MP fans, it's how they got introduced to the mode in the first place. It cultivated a huge fanbase because it was its own thing, rather than the typical forgettable/mediocre side mode.
I can't stand the damage counters from Cold War. Hopefully that is removable.
YES! feels like I'm playing a damn arcade game
a thing i noticed that this map fails as a zombie map/game design philosphy is that in every stream I see players trying to open many random doors that arent buyable. this to me tells me this map was made for mp or warzone.
this map wasn't made for Warzone nor MP considering this was referenced and was being worked on for zombies ever since it's mention in 2021.
@@PeppinSpaghett. doesnt mean it couldn’t have used outbreak assets. it reay resembles an outbreak map more than a traditional zombies map. im assuming they spent the past 4 years working/perfecting terminus while they used outbreak assets to finish the not main focused map. hope that helps understand more.
@@IszCaryll Terminus itself reuses assets. so did every map in existence. that's just how the zombies mode is. the very first non-WaW map (which would be "Five" since Kino was originally a WaW map and thus I'm still gonna count it as one). was reused from the campaign. you also got to take into account that they didn't spend four years working on just a single zombies map. there's the campaign, the story for said campaign, the multiplayer maps, the guns, the mechanics of the game itself, the multitudes of animations that exist and the writing for the game's code. either way, you can probably blame blundell for this map being relatively bland (and hell, all of cold war being bland too) since he took all the creative devs out of Treyarch just because he saw a golden ticket to work on a bungie ip.
With the gameplay we saw in Liberty Falls, it looks more like vanguard and MWZ combined as a finished game of Black ops Cold War. There was nothing resembling black ops 3 beside the gogglegum machine. It’s quite disappointing but it shows we’re following the Cold War and IW formula.
So they don't listen to the community and again i have to wait for bo7 maybe i will be dead by then
Yea the IW engine in general is garbage and treyarch has now lost there identity by not using there own engine anymore.
@@sweatbag_4209i dont think they’re even allowed to use their own engine bc or activision wanting it to be a platform of all the cod games
@@sweatbag_4209but i completely agree they lost their identity and the iw engines garbage
This sucks. I had big hopes for a fantastic game. 😢 it's terrible. I've lost hope for zombies. As a player from waw I'm done.
Armor healthbar and minimap got to go
you can turn off 2 of what you just asked but armour will stay you can just ignore it
don't forget the absolute cringe kill streaks
@@icykd5322can literally ignore then
@@icykd5322 You can choose not to use it
Let’s make a list: scorestreaks, armor, HUD (you can’t change it properly, still so bad), characters that are enjoyable, story is bad and most of all map design. Have you seen the difference between old cod zombies layout and cod since CW? Maps are just wide, you can’t be blocked basically anywhere, you can run freely everywhere no matter the round or location. I hated BO4 so much and I still do today but at least they tried with that (horribly but they tried at least)
IX was during a bright, sunny day and was one of the best maps we ever got
Back in the day, I’d play zombies until I was pissed from dying. Then I’d switch to multiplayer and play until the same thing happens. Then switch back to zombies to do it all over again.
This was because they felt like 2 completely different games.
Nowadays, I just get pissed and turn the whole ass game off because zombies and multiplayer feel the same lmao
The people in multiplayer aren't going to be the ones playing zombies. There's no reason to appease an audience that isn't your core. Each mode has its own fanbase and crossing them over isn't beneficial to anyone. I'm willing to bet this comes down to wanting more money from operator bundles for zombies. It's soulless and going to be a massive letdown. They could make it better with a HUD and map zombification. It can take place on the same day and still look like zombies.
Exactly
This map just looks and feels like it should be the old wave based survival instead of zombies.
Liberty balls is pretty much Warzone zombies they pretty much just made a map for the filthy casual players.
Christ I really hope you just hit your head on your keyboard and it made this comment that reeks of loser. “Filthy casuals” listen to yourself.
Black ops 6 zombies looks like MWZ but on a smaller map
Exactly
You shouldn’t have to ask why people hate BO6 zombies, it is painfully obvious. Keep warzone and MP separated from Zombies. Zombies needs to be unique like WAS-BO3, not like Cold War zombies. We want unique maps and characters with a unique theme and unique wonder weapons and perks and Easter eggs that are Easter eggs not following objectives and bring back juggs not armour plates and get rid of starting load outs and ammo crates, it’s not zombies. I’m boycotting BO6.
I agree. 🫴 👑
Zombies is just boring and has been the issue is yall want it to stay in the realm that round based is in which is stale and boring .they could give you a bo3 clone and people will still complain
@@JulioHernandez-vi9to lies if they cloned bo3, no zombies games would be bought moving forward ever by most zombies fans, the fact you say its boring and stale tells me you are a casual zombies player at best and most probably a snorezone player, so with that in mind we dont care what you think or say
Most of these content creators were around during old school zombies, so they definitely know why people are complaining. For some reason, they kind of ignore the fact that zombies has gone in a totally new direction that isn't zombies. Even the more critical youtubers act like this new direction isn't the dealbreaker it is.
No horror, No survival aspects, no aura, no unique features and people have the gull to call it zombies.
And this is why I'll never buy a COD again. I've never seen ANY appreciation towards BO4 in a comment section until now.
Yeah.
None of you deserve OG COD if it took Vanguard, MW2 reboot, THEN A MW3 REBOOT to convince all of you that a dumpster fire is what Activision has long since specialized in doing. Modern day stockholm syndrome
bo4 was and still is whack asf. always has and always will suck
@@ianhopkins7457 And the beta reveals himself.
@@JASON--VOORHEES says the one loving the sucky game, gg sisteh you are not one of many in reality
@@ianhopkins7457 Hate to break it to you bud but BO4 is the second to last good COD we got. Right behind MW2019. If you seriously even think CW is better, you're a part of the problem buddy boy.
@@JASON--VOORHEES Only thing good in cold war is the campaign, everything else bo4 did WAY better.
So, can someone please clarify this for me. Are people mad that there’s two separate maps that have a different aesthetic? Or, are they mad that one of the maps looks like a terrible zombie map?
The treyarch team is literally my ranked teammates they do the opposite of what you ask them to do and say, "Why are you so mad?"
I miss old simpler zombies that had character and how it made us feel and how it was so different from the great of cod
"I feel like you are holding up a mirror to my soul" - Gambit
Day time maps before Black ops 4:
Verruct
Kino der toten
Shangri-la
Moon (on earth)
Die rise
Buried
I thought of adding Call of the dead
But I remember like, late afternoon darkness, if not just night, it was day time in black ops 4 though
In some gameplay people didn’t have to get jug until round 25. How the hell do these people have jobs?
This map should be in the beta with no Easter eggs or side quests and maybe a round cap of 30
Think about the blood of the dead and IX atmosphere then look at this😐
Bo4 didn’t deserve the hate
Think of the town/diner/farm/bus depot atmosphere then look at this
They try to create different styles if maps to try to cater to everyone and end up catering to no one
Bruh
That was the entire point of zombies it wasn’t for everyone it was for ppl who wanted a change of gameplay with a nice challenge since CW they made zombies for everyone so now it’s for nobody cuz it’s trash and they don’t care anymore except money🤦♂️🤦♂️
It’s not that liberty falls is simple that’s the problem; the giant in bo3 was simple too. The problem is that liberty falls just doesn’t have a creepy atmosphere that people wanted like the terminus map
@@paulallen2680 yeah I feel you it’s like they lost their identity when it comes to zombies there’s no eerieness to it anymore no mystery or atmosphere that would leave you on your toes trynna figure out what’s going on now it’s so bland and empty
there turning a puzzle book into a colouring book
This can easily pass as dlc for mw3 zombies
They should expand the map like Tranzit, Liberty Falls kinda looks like Town and bring out Their original plan before They jacked it.
It's like if the multiplayer mode got a spawnable boss, or there was a pack a punch. There would be an outrage. KEEP ZOMBIES ZOMBIES
Imagine if they added health bars, armor, and your gamertag on the hud at all times in mp. Imagine if the hud also showed the health, armor, and gamertag of your teammates at all times as well.
I can’t be angry at nothing yet
I haven’t got access to Zombies yet lmfao
Alot of the problem with skibidi falls is in terminus , like the armor system the hud design (looks like mulitplayer)weapon look like cold wars, both wonder weapons look like varients of others,point systen sucks, main menu sucks,no offline
Black ops 1 zombies will forever be the vibe the touch of zombies. Imma keep it so real here this is exactly why zombies had that arcade shi that way in black ops 3 they could introduce first person arcade but like in a newer black ops setting but keeping the original atmosphere and everything of black ops 1
They messed up so bad omg. I just hope their sales take a hit. I'm genuinely upset about this.
Liberty Falls is just boring. However I do think it will be good to treat it kind of like a sandbox. A map to go in and test how good or bad each weapon is. Plus easy camo grind.
What I wouldn’t do to go back and experience the releases of COD4-Black Ops 2 and all of their DLC again.
That was a truly special time.
I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again. Zombies died for me back in BO2.
agreed
It looks like a multiplayer map because it is a multiplayer map. They even showed cased it in cod next.
And that is lame, it's still lame brother
Treyarch did say every map in the dlc cycle would have a crew so hoping the liberty falls let down is a one off thing. I still think the hud needs that zombies theme to it tho
If you notice, the year they stopped doing season pass and paid DLC, is the year the quality of each map dropped significantly
Its nice having free DLC, but when they had to work on maps to a level where people would actually want to buy it, they tried way harder
Now once they suck you in with a nice looking launch map, they dont need to bother trying extra hard on upcoming maps, as they no longer need to sell them
i dont have to eat crap to know i dont want to eat it
Honestly, the simplest change they could make, the lighting. It doesn't have to be night time, but late evening/sunset. Autumn vibes would've fit perfectly.
Shangri-la was on day time, yet was a good map on bo3. It's simply because the simplicity and classy the game which was following the old zombie cods style.
Treyach is simply prefer money over what the og community wants!
It's sad we now know the fact, treyach is no longer supporting the og zombies players instead supporting the new style of warzone. And it will continue in this way, since it give them money and they assume the og zombies community will disappear some day.
One thing that bothers me is the pre-order. I haven't been keeping up with the behind the scenes on things but what are "3x Ray gun weapon cases, 3x Flawless Aetherium Crystals, and 3x Legendary Aether tools" Are these the new upcoming monetization they are going to implement into Zombies? Because this sounds like it
“We need to make an mp player feel at home” but in doing so zombie players no longer feel at home
bro really put angry bird eyes on richtofen
I don’t get how people don’t understand how the community was hyped to begin with and then turned. They showed extremely cherry picked videos of terminus with no HUD and some really good cinematics. Obviously people were hyped. But then they showed live unedited gameplay with all of the mechanics of the game. ITS NOT ABOUT LIBERTY FALLS VS TERMINUS. It’s that they showed terrible gameplay mechanics that many people asked to be addressed, PLUS the map was bad. Liberty falls being a bad map is only ONE OF MANY complaints coming in, and most of those complaints aren’t map specific. People, especially the “but Terminus!” Crowd don’t seem to be understanding this…
Someone create a Petition to remove Weapon rarity, armor (bring shields back) , two pack a punch machines (make it like Bo3 only one, you need to punch more often to get the element you want) remove Killstreaks and remove load out, starting with a Pistole.
Yeah it's more like making a perfect hero in a story with no flaws no one would be interested in that character same as here they're giving us everything we won't be interested to do anything with a perfect start because we have everything!!!?
Liberty balls
I'd rather play dead ops arcade for a whole year than play any of that New warzone/cold war style crap even for a day
If i want a Chopper Gunner, imma play MP. Get that out of Zombies lmao. Zombies will sadly never be anything close to the WaW - Bo3 Zombies experience. Is it that much to ask for a CLASSIC Zombies experience? Warzone ruined it.
Imagine there’s a lab section not showed during COD next similar to Alpha Omega
Basically it’s like this you got nuketown zombies map which is more dead decayed looking map and you got basic multiplayer nuketown map which is more clean looking and when you use a multiplayer map for zombies it will never have the same feel to it
Sad Man, Been A HUGE Fam Of Zombies. But Stopped Playing Since BO4. Sad To See The Zombie Community Go Through This For A Few Years Now. Alot I Could Say But There's No Point. Loves Family
The five slander...
I don't think the map is that bad I truly think it's the mechanics I think if they made it just like bo2 3 or 1 and changed it back to the way cod zombies used to be people wouldn't mind the map that much. What they need is the people who make custom maps on bo3 and waw. They took the mechanics of the game and made some of the best maps I've ever played
Its definitely not the Blop3 Zombies format... They stuck with the Cold War format for zombies w/ IW's Modern warfare zombies...Huge Opportunity missed with this one but we got gobble gums back lol
The exact opposite of what 99 percent of people want
Kino took place during the day and it was a fan favorite. Even though it was day time it was a pretty dark map inside the theater
Fans have every right to voice their opinion!!! I dont care about devs feelings. They are a mega corp and we are their consumers ...
I've been saying this for literally years. Its not about appealing to casuals. Its about appealing to multiplayer people. Same difference I guess in the grade scheme of things but still.
I was hyped af but after seeing the zombies streams I lost my will to live
Stopped playing since Bo4 but I can say I’m not missing out on much 😂
I'm pretty disappointed in what I've seen of BO6 zombies. These open areas/zones on these maps just give off "multiplayer maps" or "Warzone POI"
U would hardly see any of these open areas in Zielinski or Blundell era maps. Also the HUD is the exact same as Warzone? Killstreaks in zombies feel really off, take them out please. Wunderfizz is still busted. and the maps look bland lacking any character.
I understand that Zielinski or Blundell didn't "make the entire zombies team" .. but u can't tell me that under their leadership - zombies had taste. Kevin Drew (No Offense) has put us in a warzone horde gamemode ... no thanks.
Off topic but I think my biggest issue for this game is both the Hud and armor system. I think cold war had such a good middle ground with how it looked, and the armor system is so much more appealing in CW for me rather than what is to happen with Bo6.
I love how honest this video is. I still have faith in this game but Liberty Falls is not it so far.
The hud is something they can fix before launch purely because it’s a PNG with animations. But as well if you look at the “dog” round the entire map fills with green smoke and I think having the map with rain and green smoke would give it a more zombies feeling
this is actually a good idea the rain alone would make it more gloomy giving a eerie vibe
More like Liberty Falls short
Cold war was a Warzone onboarding experience so I'd not be surprised if it turns out to be the same thing here
This solidifies it for me. Zombies ended at BO4's Tag. Hell it should've been done by Revelations where it's just a loop. Zombies now is like Star Wars, shitty story that says 'your heroes failed,' shoehorns in characters no one cares about, and then brings fan favorite characters to be caricatures of their former selves. I wish they just went with the Chaos story over this bullshit that they're clearly going to keep running with. My fucking great grandkids shouldn't be getting the ultimate conclusion in Black Ops 10.
they dont seem to understand that MP Players play MP for competition etc and not for the daylight or map feeling. as a MP Player myself I would rather play MP with a Zombie atmoshpere to it than a zombie map with MP atmosphere
after playing zombies for so long, its odd to say i genuinely do not want to play zombies but my friends are gonna make me :/
I hate when people use 5 as an example as a none zombies map, when it’s has 2 underground’ zombiefied levels where the zombie outbreak should take place because they’re a secret facility… 5 IS zombies and was a testament on how good zombies was when the studios cared, the could make a campaign map into a zombies map and have it seem seamless…
The first dlc map is gonna make or break the zombies mode. If liberty falls is the outlier and the next map has a crew and good atmosphere, then the community will mostly calm down. I really hope Treyarch is watching feedback
I'm almost certain they don't see feedback if they did everything would be different from the last CW zombies but here we are nothing is different just the same
Brother, I don't even have to imagine...
Zombies broke my hearrrrt
I’ll be honest
I knew those issues of vibes and atmosphere solely from the early reveal we had
Day time map in a city, a clean one at that
Idk why people are so surprised like we didn’t watch 50 videos about the 3 second sneak peek
People are forgetting you can change the HUD, not use score streaks or armor up. JUST DONT USE THEM, i just fixed it.
I like the vibes of the map, always need daytime zombies maps to counter act the over used dark maps
This was a great video and spoke to the exact problem with Zombies nowadays 8:11
Unpopular opinion, I don't think the complaints are justified, since they turned off the easter egg quest for the live stream, I feel the hate is undeserving until the map is officially out.
Tbh it won’t make a difference who’s gonna wanna do a whole Easter egg for a boring ass map nobody wants to play 😭😭
I'm pretty sure Liberty Falls was actually made for Zombies first then was used for MP
To grow up playing maps that were made for the love of the community to it being made for the love of quick money and no passion or pride is beyond my understanding. Why is everything made by the people who don’t love their craft. The community that showed so much love for years was abandoned just like that.
I love being able to call in a chopper gunner whenever I get into any risky situation in zombies, so fun! (sarcasm)
I do t mind it long time player since waw and I enjoy the mp aspect
Hopefully the EE opens a cool side of the map. Like an underground facility
We have to remember that all of this is done on purpose, it’s not like Treyarch did this, and didn’t think it was going to be poorly received. There’s a reason behind everything and just as dreamers multiplayer I seen give this game a chance a lot of zombies UA-camrs are also saying if this game a chance because although liberty may not look so well there are still so many things that we don’t know about and a lot to change in two months
Would be way more hype for a bo2 remastered
Need world at war remastered first.
They have already remastered a lot of those maps