Ofc I get this recommended Pretty good video. Strength is good to have, but I think it's so hard to balance good strength with good technique. More strength means it's easier to "waste" energy by pressing the keys too hard, requiring better technique to make use of it. Then there's also muscle endurance, which is a very different thing that most people don't train in the gym. I like rock climbing for that, and I think it's vital for stamina in osu especially. Biology of your hand: ring + index or middle + index is pure preference. The muscle used to activate all three of those fingers is the same. The difference is how long each finger is, meaning it's easier for some people to maintain the right hand position and angle with one rather than the other. Obviously this hasn't been tested, but this is my hypothesis on it too. I think your idea has some good merit to it as well though.
I really don't know about the rock climbing part. My max hang is somewhere around 8 seconds on the 10mm beastmaker edge with +20kg added weight, still can't stream for shit. I'm relatively steadily improving at rock climbing, but it has yet to affect my speed or stamina.
He does have a point. When I played mania a lot back in the day, I had a ludicrous amount of stamina because I was in a fit and healthy state. And then when I came back years later having put on several kilos I found myself getting tired quickly and having nowhere near the level of speed I had. Being fit does matter and regular exercise does help.
Raw strength only comes into play if you play without rapid trigger. It's a way to get rid of finger lock when you can't push the keys all the way down. hitting the gym and doing pull ups especially make a huge difference with bottoming out your keys at higher bpm and it works for me
@@a-o-si meant like how to find a technique that works. Like mrekk or Zylice tapping style kind of thing. I have a wooting for months now, but i have to tap like on a normal keyboard cause then i just end up doubletapping or fingerlocking to the point where it doesn't respond at all despite me having enough speed for like any map
the idea of "practice vs performace" might help me with improving in general. It doesnt have to be pretty or clip-worthy, as long as I practice regularly the muscle memory may let me do the cool stuff
Also don't be scared to swap ring/middle fingers. Something I start feeling that I would be better at streams if I switched fingers. And surprisingly it works!
from my experience ring index is generally worse for speed, i don't think stronger hands helps for osu, you should practice both deathstreams and bursts (not just bursts for speed), but not being tense while streaming is good advice and so is not panicking
@@Krultist because you just need to fcking play and put the hours in And there are plenty of speed guides from khz and ryuk for example who HAVE ‘mastered’ speed to a degree, rather than this buffoon who just mashes rapid trigger without control. (And cheated😂😂 for cloud) yeah that’s a good teacher He’s definitely not view-farming you
On the contrary side that someones need a technique where the arm/wrist have little to no movement, they can also go for pinky index. The pinky finger is weak, but is super fast if in a good position, I place my thumb on the spacebar to sort of take the weight off of the fingers, which makes my tapping feel really light, and as a result of that, I am able to tap fast.
As a 6k pp player, I still can't stream even 170bpm comfortably. This is my maximum speed, I am hitting the gym for a one year already, but neither my stamina and speed didn't become better. I only improve my technique that makes me more stable and powerful than other players, but when it comes to 170+bpm streams then I become weak. Sometimes, when I get thrilled by FCing some hard maps - I become slightly faster, that tells me about my real potential, I can stream 190 and burst 220 for a couple of minutes, but it happens really rare. So I don't know what can I do for myself to improve my fingers...
I had this issue since like way back at May/June 2023, I was trying to practice my single tap because I feel like my tap was suck when doing jumps. Other issue I had to mention is that my tapping feels heavy and like I constantly bottoming out too much on the keyboard. Note that I am a main alt player since started playing so when I try to practice single tap my laptop broke sadly and stopped playing after until I got a new one back at mid October, and oh god lemme tell you my tapping was so bad I can't even hit anything around 5.0-4.0 SR anymore, I also tried to post this with video of my tapping on reddit to help me find solutions to my issue. do y'all have any solution for it? like how I constantly bottoming out and therefore I couldn't get my index finger up but middle can and the tapping feels too heavy, thanks.
Some good points but I think nobody can tell you the right technique Its just something that you have to figure out on your own because it is indeed different for everyone
so long as you keep pushing your limit. I got the exact same playstyle yet been hardstuck 50-60k for a while now. Playing full alt makes you very comfortable playing simple maps which could trap you in the rabbit hole of 5 star maps, or even worse, leaderboard farming..
"ring index better" no its comfort, if you feel ring better use that most people have higher power and control in middle so... For people who already learned streaming with middle just stick with it no need to reset all your skill for a power boost you might never get, you can try ring index but don't force yourself to switch if that makes sense. Also one thing i will say is force yourself to play faster BPM maps lest say you can only play 200bpm, force yourself to play 210 if you want to improve, you NF and play the same map again and again, top speed players all agree on this one thing, so don't overthink it and play the game like Merami said. Also this guy did all this min maxing and after all this his tapping is soo ass like no offense, speed is there but its not consistent it looks barely better than double tapping. That's the downside of ring index you loose control and tend to mash keys.
its not even ring index its just this guy doesnt know how to stream and is just abusing/mashing rapid trigger. ring index is definitely viable, just look at arnold or akolibed
switching to ring and index finger instantly improved mu stamina and by a little bit also speed, but it's kinda uncomfortable to tap like that for me and my fingers are curved so I tap the key with my ring finger with like 20-30 degree angle, and I wonder if that can effect my performance in some way?
actually, I don’t know about how healthy this is but I’ve found tapping to be a LOT more comfortable if your hand is flatter. I’m not saying to tap like this but when you THINK about moving your hand near the knuckle and feeling your finger more firm, it can be faster. ua-cam.com/video/PaggEaitnWU/v-deo.htmlsi=UquUWXmEeDY0KTN6 - tap with your finger tips, not like in this video
My question seems dumb but if I take a big break and come back in my late twenties, is it too late? I am almost 21, 6 digits, got tendonitis 2 months ago, and starting to feel pain again. I am trying to have better positioning but feels like it's not the only thing. I'll take a week break for now I think.
I would say no, but you’ll learn in a different way to when you’re younger, instead of just playing and getting used to it, you’re more likely to really think about what your doing so you might improve faster
thank you for this video. im only a 4800pp guy, but it seems like i have a correct mindset and almost everything you talked about was the same as I did before, i just came up to everything myself, so I guess ill improve and everyone watching this video too.
"Im just a 4800pp guy" with this rank is everything mindset you won't ever improve, like you are literally insulting yourself and everyone with a lower pp than you all at once, even if its not your intention.
Ofc I get this recommended
Pretty good video. Strength is good to have, but I think it's so hard to balance good strength with good technique. More strength means it's easier to "waste" energy by pressing the keys too hard, requiring better technique to make use of it. Then there's also muscle endurance, which is a very different thing that most people don't train in the gym. I like rock climbing for that, and I think it's vital for stamina in osu especially.
Biology of your hand: ring + index or middle + index is pure preference. The muscle used to activate all three of those fingers is the same. The difference is how long each finger is, meaning it's easier for some people to maintain the right hand position and angle with one rather than the other. Obviously this hasn't been tested, but this is my hypothesis on it too. I think your idea has some good merit to it as well though.
I really don't know about the rock climbing part. My max hang is somewhere around 8 seconds on the 10mm beastmaker edge with +20kg added weight, still can't stream for shit. I'm relatively steadily improving at rock climbing, but it has yet to affect my speed or stamina.
my best climb is a v6 in rock climbing which is decent but I still can't stream for long periods of time lmao
“there are very few things where you being more strong will be bad”
hearing this suddenly motivated me to hit the gym
squishy boy no way
@@SixDigitOsuwhy do i see you everywhere
because i'm racist@@SFADonuttunoD
@@SixDigitOsu ???
That's right, 3 K's a day keeps the niggas away@@SFADonuttunoD
Most speed players are built like twigs tho. For example Ryuk
u can have forearm and arm muscle without being swole as fuck tho, my friend has the most insane grip strength i've ever seen and he's 177cm at 51kg
idk last time i checked ryuk didnt have that big forearms either@@chocomint8261
And people like flaro
muscle strength is not the same as muscle mass
bigger muscles are good but dosent mean they are naturally stronger muscles
no wonder i got insane stamina boost from training my grip instensively
I'm about to go to the gym just to be better at a video game 💀💀💀💀💀💀 fr
He does have a point. When I played mania a lot back in the day, I had a ludicrous amount of stamina because I was in a fit and healthy state. And then when I came back years later having put on several kilos I found myself getting tired quickly and having nowhere near the level of speed I had. Being fit does matter and regular exercise does help.
@@Danielstigmanbro you were just rusty it's not that deep......
“be strong” welp guess i’ll be a 6 digit
just play more...
what skin is that btw?
I think Whitecat DT 2.something
@@a-o-s thanks m8
I like how there are so many comprehensive guides for speed/stamina yet all the aim guides for this game are just like "click notes better"
not for long!
aim literally just is reading for the most part nothing more
@nicosmidt7347 streaming litterally is just tapping for the most part nothing more
Raw strength only comes into play if you play without rapid trigger. It's a way to get rid of finger lock when you can't push the keys all the way down. hitting the gym and doing pull ups especially make a huge difference with bottoming out your keys at higher bpm and it works for me
You should make a rapid trigger tapping tutorial, since many people now have rapid trigger keyboards or keypads
As in how to use it? Could be a neat idea
@@a-o-si meant like how to find a technique that works. Like mrekk or Zylice tapping style kind of thing. I have a wooting for months now, but i have to tap like on a normal keyboard cause then i just end up doubletapping or fingerlocking to the point where it doesn't respond at all despite me having enough speed for like any map
Can't confirm or deny what you said but for sure I can tell that this gameplay position is kinda bad 8:39. We don't see your tapping on the keys
Sorry! in obs I couldn’t see where the osu gameplay would appear while it wasn’t active
the idea of "practice vs performace" might help me with improving in general. It doesnt have to be pretty or clip-worthy, as long as I practice regularly the muscle memory may let me do the cool stuff
Also don't be scared to swap ring/middle fingers. Something I start feeling that I would be better at streams if I switched fingers. And surprisingly it works!
you forgot that to play well you need to be born with good genes
from my experience ring index is generally worse for speed, i don't think stronger hands helps for osu, you should practice both deathstreams and bursts (not just bursts for speed), but not being tense while streaming is good advice and so is not panicking
You should make more videos like this. No one seems to make any genuinely helpful tips on form/technique like this at least from what I've seen.
gonna do one on grip maybe
you know this guy is a restricted 6 digit osu tikokker with rapid trigger right
@@osurelatedvigilante It's better than having literally no one else upload any videos that are as helpful as this
@@Krultist because you just need to fcking play and put the hours in
And there are plenty of speed guides from khz and ryuk for example who HAVE ‘mastered’ speed to a degree, rather than this buffoon who just mashes rapid trigger without control. (And cheated😂😂 for cloud) yeah that’s a good teacher
He’s definitely not view-farming you
5 digit + false restrict and I can do liveplays to verify that
Im not even gonna lie, bro is a prodigy. I am witnessing the making of a top player istg
@@jaqtonido8251 Idk anything about that but I still show my support for him and I think this video is very very cool! :)
ur vid made my taping speed 2x as quick and my stamina in my hands in infinite :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
thank u so muchhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
@@owouwu5546its cool how mich time you needed for increasing taping speed?
my tapping technique is fucked up from mania
2:46 i will say this is entirely up to preference but if you need a technique where your arm/wrist moves more definitely go for ring index
also this video is really underrated
On the contrary side that someones need a technique where the arm/wrist have little to no movement, they can also go for pinky index. The pinky finger is weak, but is super fast if in a good position, I place my thumb on the spacebar to sort of take the weight off of the fingers, which makes my tapping feel really light, and as a result of that, I am able to tap fast.
As a 6k pp player, I still can't stream even 170bpm comfortably. This is my maximum speed, I am hitting the gym for a one year already, but neither my stamina and speed didn't become better. I only improve my technique that makes me more stable and powerful than other players, but when it comes to 170+bpm streams then I become weak. Sometimes, when I get thrilled by FCing some hard maps - I become slightly faster, that tells me about my real potential, I can stream 190 and burst 220 for a couple of minutes, but it happens really rare. So I don't know what can I do for myself to improve my fingers...
new copypasta
I had this issue since like way back at May/June 2023, I was trying to practice my single tap because I feel like my tap was suck when doing jumps. Other issue I had to mention is that my tapping feels heavy and like I constantly bottoming out too much on the keyboard.
Note that I am a main alt player since started playing so when I try to practice single tap my laptop broke sadly and stopped playing after until I got a new one back at mid October, and oh god lemme tell you
my tapping was so bad I can't even hit anything around 5.0-4.0 SR anymore, I also tried to post this with video of my tapping on reddit to help me find solutions to my issue.
do y'all have any solution for it? like how I constantly bottoming out and therefore I couldn't get my index finger up but middle can and the tapping feels too heavy, thanks.
osu players hearing "go to the gym"
Some good points but I think nobody can tell you the right technique Its just something that you have to figure out on your own because it is indeed different for everyone
nice video
I thought you only played relax? Because you beat all the levels right? It’s to easy for you?
That is exactly right
i play full alt ring index player (since i started playing), does that confirm that i have osu dna ?
yes
only if you make it to top 50 with under 40d play time
@@monkeyboi727 I have 9 hour and I'm still top 30k sadge
so long as you keep pushing your limit. I got the exact same playstyle yet been hardstuck 50-60k for a while now.
Playing full alt makes you very comfortable playing simple maps which could trap you in the rabbit hole of 5 star maps, or even worse, leaderboard farming..
@@suhudude yesss full alt allowed me to play weird mapped stuff, i got offered to play 5wc once but i reject it because i have bad nerve control
Old.omlg rush player? Bcs bloody a70 :D
ngl bring stronger grip makes osu harder after a certain point, i mean if ur really weak then sure but very quickly gets worse from it
I can deadlift 700+ lbs and am 5 digit, care to explain?
And here i am barely able to stream 180. I'm just not strong enough man
Thanks for the video :D
step one be strong ez clap
"ring index better"
no its comfort, if you feel ring better use that most people have higher power and control in middle so...
For people who already learned streaming with middle just stick with it no need to reset all your skill for a power boost you might never get, you can try ring index but don't force yourself to switch if that makes sense.
Also one thing i will say is force yourself to play faster BPM maps lest say you can only play 200bpm, force yourself to play 210 if you want to improve, you NF and play the same map again and again, top speed players all agree on this one thing, so don't overthink it and play the game like Merami said.
Also this guy did all this min maxing and after all this his tapping is soo ass like no offense, speed is there but its not consistent it looks barely better than double tapping. That's the downside of ring index you loose control and tend to mash keys.
its not even ring index its just this guy doesnt know how to stream and is just abusing/mashing rapid trigger. ring index is definitely viable, just look at arnold or akolibed
I know how…. just not very good 😅
but this play is from before I had rapid trigger ua-cam.com/video/PaggEaitnWU/v-deo.htmlsi=eQtzJUpEVgpCU-48
switching to ring and index finger instantly improved mu stamina and by a little bit also speed, but it's kinda uncomfortable to tap like that for me and my fingers are curved so I tap the key with my ring finger with like 20-30 degree angle, and I wonder if that can effect my performance in some way?
actually, I don’t know about how healthy this is but I’ve found tapping to be a LOT more comfortable if your hand is flatter. I’m not saying to tap like this but when you THINK about moving your hand near the knuckle and feeling your finger more firm, it can be faster.
ua-cam.com/video/PaggEaitnWU/v-deo.htmlsi=UquUWXmEeDY0KTN6
- tap with your finger tips, not like in this video
@@a-o-s thanks for the tip, but damn it's hard to do while focusing on the game on a laptop keyboard lmao
what keyboard is that? (not the keypad)
Drunk Deer A75, i’ll make a video after I use it a bit more, but it’s very good
@@a-o-si love those keycaps, where did you get them?
Default ones that come with them, I went for PBT keycaps
@@a-o-s I'll have to look into those I personally like the red and black aesthetic with the keyboard
Me, ring index guy 🗿
just play more, not that hard bruh
shut up
@@Akiorinnplay more
Yo
no way is that a bloody a60
actually...
My question seems dumb but if I take a big break and come back in my late twenties, is it too late? I am almost 21, 6 digits, got tendonitis 2 months ago, and starting to feel pain again. I am trying to have better positioning but feels like it's not the only thing. I'll take a week break for now I think.
I would say no, but you’ll learn in a different way to when you’re younger, instead of just playing and getting used to it, you’re more likely to really think about what your doing so you might improve faster
thank you for this video. im only a 4800pp guy, but it seems like i have a correct mindset and almost everything you talked about was the same as I did before, i just came up to everything myself, so I guess ill improve and everyone watching this video too.
"Im just a 4800pp guy" with this rank is everything mindset you won't ever improve, like you are literally insulting yourself and everyone with a lower pp than you all at once, even if its not your intention.
my gf will love me more after this training.