Strand Is Way Stronger Than You Thought in Destiny 2: Lightfall
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- At first glance, I thought strand was going to be trash... but after getting my hands on the different abilities, there is some major potential in these new Destiny 2 Subclass! Will they be the strongest builds in Lightfall? Only time will tell. But right now, Strand is on my radar #destiny2
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I just think the grapple should have been a class ability option. I just don’t see it ever being used in high tear content otherwise
As a warlock that would have been a terrible choice, I'd rather sub my grenade any day than my rift
@@GrimViridian facts lol. Its our staple
@@GrimViridian as a different kind of warlock I guess, I disagree. I hard crutch my nades and already have like 4 different sets that all rely on nade kills for healing. Rift just ain’t my go to unless I’m running starfire
@@GrimViridian best option would be to use it just like Icarus dash.
It's not meant to for high tier content anyway especially GM's unless they wanna end up like a dead spiderman , bullet holes all up in the ass 😂.
Totally agreed. Strand is aweseome. Not overpowered like Stasis but extremely unique unlike anything we have seen in Destiny before. Full props to Bungie.
Titan strand is fun but the super is boring after being the 5th melee super we have so it doesn't even feel new
@@shadowowl7011 hunter is just bad. heavy attack is a decent aoe but if you are even 1 inch off the ground then it would do the air attack which would miss most enemy.
If only they worked on the story 😭
@@h13n12 no it's not, it does decent boss damage
@@h13n12 all hunter needs is a little buff and it work just fine but the titan won't work in endgame because it is a melee super so most titans are stuck bubble or thunder crash for pve content and bubble is the only choice for a lot raid encounters
i wish the grapple wasn't a nade and more of just a movement aspect like icarus dash with maybe like a 20 second cooldown or something, i want to use grapple but also the shackle nade
Yes dude. Have a grenade AND that
Yup it should have been a class ability. Maybe have it behave different on each class to distinctualize them.
Wait you don’t wanna use the seemingly useless grappling hook every 10 minutes?
Yeah it should've been a shatterdive like ability
It's a grenade because it's coded to make contact with enemies and other players. They would have to recode class abilities entirely to move it into that slot so I see why they have done it.
Tricks I learned about Strand, some from coming into LF as a Titanfall 2 player back when it was big:
- You can “slingshot” and conserve momentum coming out of grapple like in Titanfall, it works in D2 the same way it works there just ofc less insanely fast, as D2’s grapple is reigned-in compared to TFall: *the trick is to look 90° left or right depending on which way you want to curve around your grapple point, and then whip your view 90° forward towards where you want to go shortly before letting go of grapple as you approach/pass your grapple endpoint*
- If you continuously keep the grapple’s endpoint within your field of vision, it won’t automatically break your grapple and you can swing a circle around it for a good long while (probably not infinite duration but it’s long); great for repeatedly grapple-meleeing, and can let you send yourself at whatever angle you need to to land it
- Any tangle, thrown or not picked up yet, can be used as a grapple point which refunds grapple on hit
- If you want to grapple in a narrow height interior or hallway, just grapple up and forward, but look down partway through the swing: the duration you have to look down for and how steeply you look down will depend on how narrow the height, how long the corridor/distance you want to travel, etc so test it out to get a feel for it
- Grapple melee tracks generously, can be done in any direction 360° around you, and acts like shoulder charge: so long as your screen has the green wind impulse on the edges, *even after ending grapple,* you can grapple-melee, it only stops working after you lose enough momentum
- The previous tip is good to know to repeatedly use a grapple point (esp in situations where the grapple point isn’t permanent like one made by a Hunter), and to land some ridiculous grapple melees even from long/awkward angles and/or distances
- Hunter’s super has a strong tipper hitbox on light attack, is an actual potential DPS menace with Stareaters spamming tipper light attack and then repeated light attacks, and be warned: unlike Arc Staff dodge, this super’s dodge consumes a little super bar each use :(
Also one thing about this bit at 2:42: this is definitely the case on Warlock and Titan unless you have a Hunter making you good grapple points, however on Hunter grapple seems very good even in harder content when paired with the Exotic helmet, to give you tons of Woven Mail uptime
Finaly my tf2 grapple skills will be useful!
Ad a titanfall 2 veteran, this was the first thing i tested when I got my grapple. Believe me when i say I was extremely excited to see it behaves just like the tf2 one. As a strand hunter I will be abusing the hell out of this
@@cgaming1107 same. Just wish it could conserve a bit more momentum
The grapple is much like pathfinders in apex. If you break LOS it'll break. If you keep it in LOS you can really move yourself good.
Destiny Tashed? I’m here for it!!!
Been away for a minute. Knew you moved on to Genshin, but…
It’s damn good to see your Destiny 2 content again. 👍🏾
Loving the stasis bow so far and I can't wait to see what they do with a strand bow
Stasis bow with the new titan helmet is fun, still fine tuning it but its coming around
@@rScallywag what does the new helm do?
@bofa722 diamond lances create stasis crystals on impact and create more when you hit bosses or vehicles and when sitting behind a barricade getting kills or rapid precision hits with a stasis weapon creates a diamond Lance at your position
Fun fact: throwing a tangle then grappling it wont consume your grapple
i love strand, i just hope that the grapple cooldown will be reduced by at least 50%
You can make it a 20s cooldown if you know what you're doing
Sidenote. Great to see MTashed back with some D2 content again. When I was fairly new to the game he was always my go to creator
MTashed bringing that Genshin build knowledge
Wait until you unlock all the fragments- being able to suspend enemies for 25 seconds is just absurd and get grenade back easily in that time with the other fragment that gives you grenade energy from any damge
Mtashed back to playing destiny finally? What universe am I in?
Shouls havw given us all frganents at once. Causal players trying destiny will play frist weekt ry starnd not like it and never play again possibly and not even know abou the frganents adter the raid
Dude I can finally feel like Spider-Man rather then George of the jungle 😅
I think strand has massive potential with the right buffs and builds, I dont know why people are bashing on it. It's something brand new and people need to sort the issues out.
I'm enjoying the constant uploads. Even if you slow down don't stop uploading. Remember why I enjoyed your perceptive on stuff vs other creators. Thanks
The strand tangles are KEY for the classes
I seen ppl say that Strand sucks without having a good majority of the fragments I'm sitting here thinking that they're overreacting and they are. Once ppl start unlocking the fragments they'll change their minds real quick. Treadrunner (Idk about the other classes because I only play one) needs a buff when it comes to the melee in my opinion but that shrapnel grenade is my favorite so far I haven't bought the threading one yet.
The melee doesn't do any damage at all in any content. You sometimes 1 shot enemies in lower their content. you CANT 1 shot any enemy in nightfalls or anything. It needs to have it's damage buffed and its niche effect of being able to catch the kunai as it comes back increased. There have been more times than i can count where i threw the kunai and it hit 5 ads and it would've given me a full charge back but it never came back to me for me to catch it. Sometimes it just doesn't come back bc it went to far away, which isn't the players fault the kunai kept going to enemies farther away. It's a feature of the kunai that doesn't get used due to the range of the kunai being so limited.
Try the warlock strand with osteo and necrotic grips. I’m addicted at this point I imagine with thorn is gonna be great as well. Man necrotic is addicting
Well time to bring back my favorite hand cannon
Necro grips is fantastic with incinerator snap + heat rises. Infinite melee explosions and insane ad clear. Even in master dungeons (at least last season)
I just wish the grapple didn't take so long to cooldown except for on specific parts of one planet. Shackle grenade is just way better rn
100%. I wish they would've done what they did before with movement abilities and just made it a part of each classes aspects so you don't have to sacrifice a grenade for a movement ability.
Ah yes this is why I stopped following you 2 years ago the exaggerations and click bait
For real. Strand is a patrol level subclass.
Grapple needs to be it's own separate thing and not a grenade based slot. It should be more akin to Icarus Dash with a similar cooldown. This would elevate the Strand subclass IMO.
I just play with the hook like it's a slower version of Quake 2: Railwarz's laser hook. Just hook the ground for horizontal ground speed. It's simpler that way. Jump, Hook, Easy Mode.
I think the campaign did a pretty bad job of demonstrating what strand is capable of to us, which is ironic considering they spent so much of the campaign focusing on it. I only really started enjoying myself when I took strand off Neomuna to the strikes and got to experiment with it; only then did I really take to it. That being said my Fireteam's warlock fell in love almost instantly and just clicked with it. I think it really depends on the individual for how long it takes to get used to the new subclass.
This is 100% backwards, and I don't even believe you. Strand is so terrible outside of the campaign. It's not even that good in the campaign where it's buffed and empowered
Glad to see you back, I'm fed up with destiny 2 tbh skipped last season and I'm definitely skipping this one after watching yesterday's video.
Whoahhh mashed playing destiny again. Didn’t know this channel was you when I clicked on it. That intro brought me wayyyyyyyy back
im a movement player, apex, titanfall, quake, counter strike, i love movement. destiny has had an off and on relationship with movement, that being said the grapple felt intuitive to me. it clicked instantly, and im already screen dragging and momentum carrying like crazy.
Yes, strand is strong. HOWEVER, it does not feel good, mainly because the main draw of strand is the grapple, and it has a 1:45 cooldown at base. 52 seconds at TIER TEN. That is WAYYY too much to feel good.
yeah, but we have to wait till the raid is finish to even unlock most of it... time gating sucks. so right now, strand is awful.... i hate this time gateing bs. legit no point to it. you can do it for the seasional content and the raid sure... but not the subclass shit.... imagine in any other mmo, they lock you out of the assassin skill "hide" untill a group of people beat this really hard dungeon... l:l this is stupid bungie stop doing it.
There is a point, it's to stop people from grinding it all day 1 just to have them then complain about "having nothing to do"
I know all the aspects and fragments aren't unlocked yet but I must say I am not a fan of strand so far . I have only tried it on hunter . I will wait and see what the warlock and titan are like .
Great to see you back Mtashed 💪. Give thanks for this infomative Video..really made me think twice about Strand. Blessings n Guidance
That Strand Hunter damage burst is definitely a bug having to do with the precision damage the Ropeneadle can hit. I have never experienced such a bug and I spammed that shit during my hunter run, i ran it solo. I think it has to do with the game trying to calculate all 3 quick precision attacks coming from 3 different hunters. It already hits high I saw one of mine hit for over 100k, but when 3 people spam it, either 1 its busted 🤡, or 2 the code doesn’t understand how quickly such high damage is coming nuking the boss.
someone actually posting a *positive* video on Lightfall? Wow!
Seriously, the negative stigma around this DLC is just depressing.
Wow, whodathunk an incomplete class wouldn’t give you a fair idea of what to expect from it! It’s almost like I spent the last 48 hrs arguing against dinguses who jumped on the “this release was hot dogshit” bandwagon.
Shackle is sorta bugged on warlock. When used in a particular combination of exotics and fragments, it actually negates perks for whatever reason. Apart from that, there actually seems to be a cooldown on how often you can trigger a suspending wave on kills with the grenade buff, which in my opinion is complete BS. You go from suspending on hit to literally needing to kill things, so why should you have to wait? If you can mow through enemies you should be able to create as many suspending waves as you want for the duration. I actually tested this with necrotic grips (poison spreading, killing to generate more suspending waves as the poison moved out so they’re helpless AND poisoned) and it barely worked. Pretty lame in my opinion.
Also, the Threadling grenade consumption is pretty lame in that you can only let one Threadling out at a time (and only by gunfire) unless you use a rift. They should just made it an overcharge chaos accelerant animation and have you throw extra Threadlings with the actual grenade. Grapple is the only special mindspun invocation grenade that actually function like a grenade in some capacity. I need damage NOW, not suspension on kills, and not one measly Threadling at a time. I actually think for the shackle buff, they should’ve made it work on hot instead of kill and just taken the duration down to ten to fifteen seconds.
After a certain amount of hits, strand hunter super will do like 5x damage, potentially also maybe being a certain distance away does higher damage. Normally I do 25k ish a hit, but sometimes i hit for 125k+ damage on a melee.
Its a stupid class super. It takes 1 min to charge my hook, seriously bungo. And super change really slow too. I have 105 intellect on my warlock, it takes years to charge. And there isn't any exotic to charge it either.
The subclasses are strong, its just the cooldowns are just really bad.
Also, the grapple works the same way as it does in titanfall, so I picked it up pretty quickly. Despite how much strand gave us in the campaign, it never really told you how to grapple.
I'm glad someone notable is finally talking about this. lmao I've been preaching that you guys are 100% doing it wrong if you are having issues with strand.
I see what you're doing MTashed, as an old Destiny player, you clearly know that Bungie isn't done yet and that fans and uploaders of the game had a negative premature reaction to it.
So, you're gonma cash in on the void with these positive videos.
Well played sirs...well played...
It works EXACTLY like I wish pathfinder's grapple did in Apex
Hard agree dude. Thought Strand was super bunk in the Lightfall campaign. So much so, my friends and I avoided it in boss fights when we could…none of us used it on Calus. After the fragments unlocking it turns out it has a nice fun factor.
Warlock strand is the best. I saw that in the first teaser. Playing it now. My guess was correct. I'm 100% warlock main.
Strand can definitely become ridiculously overpowered with the new perks. However, I don't see it being particularly powerful after the seasonal perks go away, unless you're a Titan.
The grapple also feels awful in open world because there's so few grapple points compared to what we were lead to believe. Strand definitely feels like a melee focused element, which is really unfortunate.
"Seeing that strand hunters may have a bug in dps super. We decided to eliminate hunters from the game, enjoy living in hell."
Bungie Dev Team probably
For me I'm having way more fun with threadlings. Use threadling grenade, hold the gernade button to absorb the gernade to get 5 eggs stored, then use your rift to unleash 8 threadlings (5 from absorb grenade + 3 from casting rift) then get 2 if you have swarmers and pop a tangle so 10 threadlings and with enough bomber/other cooldown mods can be consistent
I dont if anyone would agree with me but, i had a thought that the grapple should be class specific rather than everyone have the same thing. For example, hunters would have a grapple that makes them swing, titans would have one that quickly zips them towards the direction their looking, and warlocks would have a pulling motion.
I just beat the campaign on legendary with Hunter. Bruh, the amount of times I died purely because I missed my grapple and fell off the map.
I have loved grapple since 007 game on GameCube
So hyped. You were one of the very first destiny content creators I watched when I started and it’s so cool to see you back again on Destiny
I think every person that used strand at first thoght it would be like Pathfinder's grapple from Apex.
First content creator Ive seen who hasn’t outwardly said (or at least implied) for one reason or another that strand is poop. LOVE your take man. Think it’s calm and we’ll thought out. Very very glad to see you do some destiny content again and get you out of that anime rage circle (at least for a little bit).
I'm of the opinion that strand doesn't suck. We're just under light and people suck at building. And for good reason. Build crafting is gutted and for strand is limited
Imo the grapple should use only half your energy to actually grapple, and then use the other half when using the grapple melee. That combined with a cooldown decrease for all strand abilities would make it much better for grappling.
So they said they're going to unlock all the fragments early in the latest TWAB. Would love to see another video from you talking about it once you've had a play around with everything
I was of the group that wasn't really impressed with the showcases of strand, and didn't care to touch it. I played two strikes with it and had an absolute blast spamming threadinglings with the nade/roft combo.
I think warlock is ok but the grapple sucks and even if they half the cooldown it probably won't be that good at least not in higher level content but we'll see ig. The fragments look good, disappointing the most unique thing is kinda meh
Great to see a little destiny content and you enjoying yourself. You were always one of my favorite content creators, but I just can’t get down with Genshin, I tried. Glad it’s been working out for you though.
here's something the entire community needs to hear. You won't even get close to grasping the potential of a new subclass in a single day. People kept saying solar was bad too back when it got updated.
This applies tenfold for strand, since we don't even have the best fragments until the raid comes out.
Biggest tip he didnt mention is Tangles. They are so insanely usefull they put warminds too shame. The main strat no 1 uses is making a tangle and grappling off it but spin in a circle and do grapple meles. You get you charge back each time and once your tangle cooldown is off grapple and hold reload youll pick up the tangle the second ya reach it and now you can throw it grapple to it in air make a new tangle and start the loop all over again all having never actually spend your nade charge.
Throw on the warlock boots were your threadlings now unravell and the aspect that makes threadlings from your grapple meles and youve got an insane build. Throw on karnsteins for constant healing varitys brow for all those threadlings you make dealin more dmg necrotic grips or felwinters helm winters guile even the buildcrafting for strand is phenomenal. You grenade is like a 2nd mele ability and the tangles can be used so creativly your cooldown shouldnt matter once we get used to abusing grapple points.
Never had a conversation with you in my life, but damn I miss you playing Destiny 😢 😭
The grapple is really fun to use. I also don’t think everything is meant for end game content like gm’s. Some stuff is just meant to be fun and general use. Just because something isn’t the best at doing boss damage in the hardest activity in the game, doesn’t mean it’s bad.
Any player using strand in a GM is getting booted from fireteam in under a minute.
Do not use shackle grenade on warlock if you plan to run the swarmers exotic legs the grenade bugs the armour so it doesn't work you don't even need to use the grenade just having it equipped bugs the armour
did not know that about the camera, I think my experience with grapple will be a lot better now lol- also yeah I agree about endgame content there’s just no way for me to stay alive while using grapple
I know you didn’t make this video right after calling Dehya irredeemable garbage, despite being in a game where main story bosses are easier than a miniboss in Elden Ring.
I got a good handle on the grappling hook. The biggest issue with it i have is the near 2 minute base cooldown that with max discipline goes down to 50 seconds. Since the grappling hook is the selling point it should be capped at 20 seconds max with no change based on discipline
I feel like the grapple needs to be it’s own ability that every character just has and not tied just to strand. It’s such a fun traversal element it should just always be available.
I hate that everyone is hating on strand so much especially because we’ve been through this before when stasis came out, without the full subclass unlocked it wont feel great…
Nah I don't like Strand after so much time with it, it'll be shelved for Stasis til they make some good changes
I got a fun warlock build with swarmers, spam grapple and melee, so fun
The grapple should also be able to pull a single enemy towards you. That would make it viable for high tier content
On the warlock specifically my only complaint is in the three charge mele. With the recharge rate the three charges feels almost pointless. Make them a raveling/unraveling tool for creating tangles more so than damage lessen its damage and massively decrease the cooldown.
I think the problem is it takes to long to get to the point of feeling like strand is something worth using which for vets is exhausting. Obviously if you've taken a lot of time off or are new nothing seems really out of place.
Still a while until I can test strand as I want to finish the campaign in legendary, but happy to see mtashed back to D2
I don't know about endgame. But I'm having so much fun using strand.
Instead of crying about it why try it out first before complaining about it lol common sense but you gotta make your buck somehow
I am sick and tired of time gates.
Want me to wait for new activities, fine. But don't time gate stuff that'll make things fun.
We can't get the new strand side arm till after the raid. That's total BS
Hidden synergy thing, shooting a tangle with a strand weapon makes the explosion bigger and suspends everything it damages
internet kids just like to complain. the initial hate almost always boiled down to "this is different to what i imagined in my mind... therefore its bad!"
It's amazing on warlock, below average on hunter n complete shite on titan lol
I think titan has strongest way to suspend right now definitely underrated atm. Good video tashman!
The first movement part u talk about is literally what I have learned trying to solo callus xd
Thanks for the tips on grapple. Didn’t even know that was possible.
Me using the Pathfinder grapple in Apex made me be able to use Strand grapple quite well.
Strand fully unlocked tonight for me and I got a build together and it was INSANELY fun. Accidentally stayed up until 4am just running around grapple meleeing everything. The damage recharging grapple on warlock is huge, your little minions do so much damage all you need is a quick start mod and ur doing this every 10 seconds. Paired with a demolitionist gun? Sheesh. Suspend is also prob the strongest PVE and PVP thing they’ve introduced in a minute.
The grapple not feeling good for endgame is gonna be a feels bad for hunters who have an entire aspect around it until next season where we'll get another aspect. My main concern for now is waiting till all the fragments unlock and getting the ones I want.
Hunter being locked into grapple sucks.
I swear, the strand you see at your palms is like green lantern movie where the fish guy shows Hal about how to wield the ring. Lol
Its fucking, im having the time of my life playing with Strand
It just sucks titan is another punchie super not like another cool unique one like crash I would’ve liked
no one is complaining that grapple is bad though. people are complaining that the cool down is too ridiculous to use consistently and the grapple is the only good thing about strand.
I just find it very strange that they time gated the fragments it doesn't really make much sense to me but....
Strand is great for ad control pretty much. But that hunter super is deffo bugged
so if u combine aimbot hive smg and necrotic grips and strand ability suspend 🤣
Strand on titan is really garbage and weak. Its so bad that even with all the other fragments available it still be terrible. No ressson to use it over the other much better subclasses. Titan really took the loss again as always.
Tbh, I thought the same about stasis when it dropped. Now I main stasis titan. XD