More sound for 1/4 of the price?! Genelec 8020D vs iLoud Micro || SOUND & RESPONSE COMPARISON
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- Опубліковано 22 сер 2024
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• Test Tracks
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-Sound recorded using Zoom H6 recorder
-Frequency measurements done in semi treated room using UMIK-1 microphone
-Levels matched using SPL meter
-All tone controls set to neutral
> 10:01 < Frequency Response Comparison
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This is just my subjective opinion: I have road-tested both sets of monitors mixing down the same five tracks on each. The iLouds are very very good. My jaw hit the ground when I heard them for the first time and for somebody who wants decent backup/cross-reference monitors or monitors to take on the road for location work or writing an album in a hotel room, they are excellent. However, for me personally as a producer/engineer and mastering engineer, if you have the budget, I would go with the Gene's. They have a much flatter, less flattering response, which is what you need for critical listening. I would happily do 90% of a mixdown on the Gene's and finish off in my studio with my Dynaudio's. For mastering especially, they are very good and nearly as portable as the iLouds. In a perfect world, I would have both haha. Hats off to IK Multimedia though and I look forward to seeing what they do in the coming years considering they are fairly new to the studio monitors market although I have been using their plugins for years.
Conan Liquid have you got a chance to check iloud mtm?
@@moscoenterprise8586 Yes I demoed them recently. Awesome monitors for sure. Sticking with my Gene's for now but IK are really knocking it out of the park.
Conan Liquid thx for responding. Do you feel like mtms are a great upgrade to ilouds micro?
@@moscoenterprise8586 Yes definitely. I am very excited about where IK are going with there hardware. Great innovations at great prices.
Conan Liquid awesome, I did stumble upon a review today though saying that the bass collapses on MTMs especially when used at 40 hz switch. Is it true that there are bass problems with MTM or he’s just an idiot?) obviously due to this corona shutdown i cant go into a store and try those for myself so I’m asking you since you sound like a person who knows what they’re talking about
Guys.
Go to the store and test both side to side.
I have both of them now - they’re not comparable. You will immediately tell the difference and understand why one is more expensive. However ilouds DO go much deeper in the low end & I did a lot of great work on them. Genelecs feel MUCH larger in sound though. MUCH LARGER. Genelecs are trickier to understand though, ilouds great strength is how linear all the frequencies are. On genelecs it took me at least a year to somewhat understand how to eq on them. Overall my advice - have both)
Not just that. Everyone who doesn't understand the difference should try both of them with classical music. Instruments on Genelec sound like instruments. (More sound? What a ridiculous title.)
Once you learn to mix on the Genelecs and you have it under your belt, you now know how to mix. You know what frequencies and levels you want to hear at different parts in the mix. The same could be said of Yamaha NS10s but the Genelecs sound way better IMO. That would probably translate to mixing on these iLoud Micros. Personally as I know the Genelec sound, I bought 8010 for my smaller studio and for traveling and they are great.
Plastic iLoud Micro costs 1/4 of the price of full metal Genelec 8020D, but suprisingly sounds bigger, fuller and more pleasing, so if you are looking for small monitors to listen to music than there is no reason to spend 4 times as much for Genelecs. If on the other hand you want precision, control and low distortion than Genelec is better choice for you as long as you have the money.
What do you think? Which one sounds bettter in your opinion? Let me know in the comments below! Cheers!
consider me impressed by the iLoud's...small size and big(ger) sound, with more oomph in the bass part and clear, wide sound. nice one. :)
Where we can see frequency response of iLoud?
10:01
The Genelecs are studio monitors, they are not intended to sound "big full or pleasing". They give you the absolute truth, and that's the goal of every *true* audiophile.
@@DSAUDIOreview Thank you so much!
After owning iloud micros for 2 years I just upgraded to Genelec 8020D. I backed to backed them a lot before selling the ilouds and the Genelecs are a big upgrade in transparency, detail, soundstage, bass, volume and seem to fill the room in a way the ilouds couldn't even though they are nearfield.
The Genelecs are incredible for the size and I use them for mastering/mixing and most of my casual listening now ... The iLouds have been fantastic though and you cannot get better for the price in my experience but if you want accurate studio quality sound in a small package then the Genelecs are the way forward if you can stretch the cash. The Genelecs do need a decent interface though whereas the ilouds will sound good even from MoBo soundcards or USB pen dacs like the DragonFly. I now see the iLoud as very high end multimedia speakers and the Genelecs as professional audio gear. I run the Genelecs from an SSL2+ interface.
I know the figures might suggest the bass is better on the ilouds but in reality the bass is more defined and clearer on the Genelecs even though the frequency response is apparently not as low. I ended up pairing a subwoofer with the ilouds as I wanted better bass but when I got the Genelecs I sold the subwoofer.
Don't want this to put anyone off buying the ilouds as the value for money and sound quality is fantastic and I have been really happy with them for a long time.
I'm extremely close to choosing a pair of the Genelec 8020Ds! With that said, however, your comparison is between the 8020D-iLoud Micro. How do you compare the iLoud MTM with the Genelec 8020D?
@@TheDarius1968 - Hi Darius, I too had the same dilemma.. I was so impressed with the micros for the price/size, I wanted to stay with IK and get the MTM, especially after hearing the rave reviews. The free calibration tools are also a big bonus!
However, size is an issue for me, the 8020D are as big as I want on my desk and the 8020D handles loud volumes a lot better without distorting (mine go very loud). I also read a fair bit about the MTMs being more directional so you have to be sat exactly in the sweet spot for them to sound good. With the 8020D I can be anywhere in the room and they still sound amazing (even though they are nearfield!) - This is important for me as I use them for casual listening too and they seem to fill the room.
I never got a chance to back to back them though, so all I had to go on was online comparisons and reading what the forums say but most people who have compared them, seem to prefer the 8020D. I'm very happy with my 8020Ds for my purposes but I'm not into bass-heavy music and I know the MTM has a lower bass response, so that is something to consider too. There are some good "8020D vs MTM" youtube videos and forum posts online.
Is my audient 22 a good enough interface?
@@TheDarius1968 MTM's are failing often, there are so many negative reviews complaining about broken twitter and amplifier. I've bought Micro Monitors for now and they're pretty great for the price. The only negative thing about them is a bit of background hiss from the twitters.
I've had Genelec 8020's for nearly 15 years. They are great for mixing a track properly on. I A/B them to KRK Rokits at the time and I could instantly hear why the Genelecs were twice the price of the KRK monitors.
If you are just listening to music then you don't need to spend so much on speakers. The iLoud speakers will do a great job. If you need studio monitors then the 8020's can be used to mix a track that will translate well onto other speaker systems. That's IMHO
Genelic sounds better (properly) than KRK??? Really? How???
@@funkerfogt1869 Genelecs are used in most high end studios, radio stations, television audio monitoring work. KRK are known in the past for home studios, budget studios and hi fi use. In headphone terms comparing Genelecs and KRKs of the past would be like comparing 770's with Beats. If you're a Beats fan well good on you, whatever floats your boat
@@funkerfogt1869 I think these Genelec monitors serve different purpose and I don't think the purpose of Genelec monitors are to sound pleasant necessarily. As Luke says, mixing music to make it sound good on broad range of speakers vs listening to music for entertainment is very different.
just got a 8350 as a desk speaker, it is super overkill( have to switch -42db while still using less than 30% volume). those speakers destroy any flagship headphones i have. the only reason i got the big 5350 is because it have some sub bass so i won’t need a subwoofer. if i want to build a 7.1 home theater once i graduate and get my own house, 8350 with glm will help in the future. also just got a 8341 in and it doesn’t have any sub based😢😢 i am planning to connect it to a bluetooth to aes box i build and use it as super premium party speaker😅😅
@@funkerfogt1869 I had some problems with KRK ….Genelec is more clear , more details
The stereo imaging and clarity on the iLoud's are fantastic, but over all the Genelec's sound smoother and more natural to me. Particularly in the 200-300Hz range the Genelec's are fantastic. I notice it especially in the vocals of "Return to the Wild" and in the main instrument in "Inspiring Middle East". That being said, The fact that the iLouds can even be compared to these Genelec's is quite the feat already.
Well the bass of the 8010's didnt hold against the iLouds but the bass in these 8020's Do!!! Thanks for the videos. I was going to purchase a pair of the 8010's until I saw this video. It will be the 8020's for me.
Personally I give the edge to the Genelecs, they still sound fuller to me. However, the price to performance of those little iLouds is amazing. It would be hard to recommend the Genelecs to anything less than someone who makes their money from mixing.
...the iLouds price to performance ratio is good but the performance to weight ratio is really outstanding. You can easily travel with hand luggage, together with my notebook i have a mobile studio setup with a weight of only 3 kilos.
Iloud are fantastic monitors. When I first saw them, I thought it was cheap Chinese speakers. But when they began to play, I could not believe my ears. In this, I bought them myself and do not regret it. They are wonderful!
Those iLouds are impressive!
iloud are not bad and quite good but, genelec absolutely beat them... lets be honest
Yes of course but this is to show how close a cheap speaker can get to expensive ones. Cheap or moderately priced speakers have improved incredibly..10 years ago they were crap..today they are this close to serious costly monitors.
Have the iLoud and love them. Even when compared to KRK V6s4 they only lose out a little.
I would love to hear iloud micromonitor vs iLoud MTM!
Nice comparison, those iLoud Micro speakers are great little beast's!
Shout-out from India! Hats off to your dedication and untiering hard-work towards Monitor speakers!
A small request, please do compare Genelecs with edifier R2000DB and M-audio Bx5 D3.
Thank you,
A digital Stereophony fan
It's like they're siblings :D almost the same sounding 😂
yeah because this comparison is FAKE, shallow Fake, Fake, FAKE. Data is INVALID INVALID ist Data.
I really like the iLouds... but wonder about their long-term durability under stress.
Same! I want them but they seem kind of faulty based on reviews
I got them but the hiss is very high even on the lowest gain setting. I bought KH80 DSP which are almost silent regarding the hiss. I'm blown away with the sound but really the price difference is hard to justify (especially as I have purchased a DAC with balanced output for KH80 DSP... which turns out was not really required and they can accept standard jacks in their XLR sockets).
iloud MTM when?
Владею Iloud. После мыльных lsr305 каждый день радуют. Вокал и инструменты наконец раскрылись и стали ясные, как никогда!
Genelec totally different league, no comparison.
But the price on the ilouds makes them "better"
genelec winss end.
So the consensus is for mixing monitors the genelecs are significantly better, but for just listening to music, the ik mtm kick their ass? especially when price is considered?
Iloud это удивительные мониторы, мало того, что они 3.5 дюймовые, так они нагибают любые 4х дюймовые и многие 5ти дюймовые модели. Чудеса, не иначе.
чудес нет, это работа самых талантливых в мире инженеров и математиков. Это фактиически триумф науки и технологии.
Ещё бы они не шипели так громко даже на минимальной мощности усилителя... В итоге попользовался пару месяцев и раскошелился на KH80 DSP. Оно того стоило!
Forget what i wrote here...as you need to buy 2 of them, as it seems they dont come in pairs, its more or less 1/4th of the price. my bad.
Genelec rocks with treble and punch bass
I have iloud micro and adam a5x. iloud is better than a5x small volume
iLoud has too louds mids and 200hz not work either.
Go check your hearing guys. ;) if compared to genes
Let's not fuck around the original mix is massively more rich with frequencies.
Predictably the 20s are way better than the micros. The Micros sound good in isolation.
I just bought a set of genelec 8030As. They work fine and they sound really good but they have 58hz noise floor.
My last studio monitors were half the price and went down to 28hz.
That said now a lot of years later I'm replacing them with these.
They sound amazing and neutral and I'm very happy with the replacement.
Luv and Peace.
Ilouds are very good. Good for mixing as well
This is crazy, but those Genelecs actually sound thinner in the low end on most recording containing bass and drums. Is it revealing actaual reproduction of the mastered recording or just exposing its justification to over charge the hell out of people?
Great video... Love my micro's
Can somebody help me?
I bought 2 pairs of iLoud Micro and both have the same defect. They whistle/beeping very loud even if only the power cable is attached to them. There is also no other source connected. It's getting a little bit worse when I put in RCA cable. Bluetooth is switch off.
Maybe is your source problem...(after connecting the RCA cable....)
I have the same issue when turning up the iMM volume to the max level, it will start making noise. (without connecting any cable except power)
But after I turn up the voice level of the source (PC: 10% to 30%) and let the iMM volume level set as 30% will fix this issue.
If not, you should return it to IK to have a fix.
Can u test play Barefoot footprint 03 vs iLouds 😊
plz put Adam A series comparison
How can I get Men on fire song on this video?
now thats actually interesting, much more interesting then mtm
on 7:32 there is no competition, IK's technology wins, the sound is "real".
can we use iloud micro in the car ?
Probably, not a good match, because you couldn't 'crank them up'! Car speakers are usually not sounding as good, but are meant for more watts - than these iLouds can handle - to be louder.
Amazing... Really close.
Akk i;'m seeing here is a sales pitch for the subwoofers.
My 30s don't go below 58hz but let's be realistic.
It's just energy down down there and I can measure energy by A PA.
I used to have a 350W Mackie PA. It was a great foil to my studio monitors.
The PA was almost monitor quality. It was excellent.
Both are pretty close but I think Id go with the iLouds for this comparison.They're pretty impressive.
iLoud for sound quality and price. I'm considering getting the MTMs...
Damn I love the song Nortals lol
genelecs are the only ones who come close to iloud's cohesiveness in representation. And even then they have no bass compared to IK's (tho graph says the opposite, so the only hypothesis here - that Gene's have parasitic 3500 (?) Hz sounds, masking bass). Which is a ridiculous achievement again and again by Italian engineers.
the actual truth you probably have to get 2.1 gen's to reach these plastic beauties. Soo close with the top end performers.
These models are monitors or multimeia?
These are studio monitors
much more readable hi's on Genelecs in Man on fire
Need something for films, games and a little music.
iLouds seem the best for me, partly because I won't have to get a sub.
Opinions welcome, before I drop £250 on these.
If you want to play it loud and shake the walls than consider Edifier S350DB
It's a original track playback.
в целом похоже звучат, но у iloud гораздо более живой вокал
iloud mtm plz~!!!
You cannot judge sound on YT.
ilouds have a looooot of DSP wizardry going on in the signal path, they sound so much better
JBL 305P vs Dynaudio BM15A
wtf? how?
original tracks sound better on my 6 years old marshall headphone (major I) :)
maybe they are 1/4 of the price but at least 1/5 sound quality loss.
You cannot compare speakers in this manner only a fool or charlatan would do so.