As viewers we're privy to information that the characters in rhe show dont have. We as viewers know Visarys thought he was speaking Rhaenyra, but Alicent doesnt know that. She doesnt have that information, she honestly believed that her dying husband changed his mind and wanted there son on the throne. So as a dutiful wife, shes trying honor visarys final wishes.
@@adamsibhatu2996 No that’s the choice she’s making by not explaining wtf is going on to her best friend and then acting surprised ! How could Allicent knew that Viserys wasn’t talking about her Aegon ?
Guys, King Viserys never said "Aegin should be a King" before his death. He only said "Ice & Fire" and "Aegon" . Indeed his son name is Aegon and Alyson makes assumption that he mean that Aegon should be a king... well, It is a minsunderstanding but at the same time I think thats her desire to makes her son to be a King that is why she jump into a conclusion that viserys means that by saying "Aegon" name only...
nope I am FOREVER Team Black but I second Alicent on that mistake because she genuinely felt that Viserys told her to make their son,Aegon the future King. The only thing Alicent does wrong is being a Hypocrite by bashing Rhaenyra on her actions while Alicent herself was entertaining and helping a henious murderer and pervert to masterbate in front of her by showing her body parts in exchange of some information while her Husband was still alive.
Alicent is one my favs. But i’m still team black. Her character is beautiful and so complex. She is not evil but she was influenced by a lot of evil people. As for Ray, she just does whatever she wants and that’s still not good. Very complex character and that’s what makes the show more interesting. Anyways, let the game begin 🫡
It makes sense she was the realms delight until Aegon showed up she was pretty spoiled and that’s why alicent is bitter towards her because she envy’s rhaenryas freedom but at the end of the day they both did exactly what was expected of them by society and viserys and they got punished in separate ways for it.
I don’t understand why everyone is acting like Alicent is still a child who’s easily influenced. She’s a grown ass woman who can make her own decisions. The same way she stood up to her father and forbade the small council from killing Rhaenyra and her children means she has agency and can differentiate between right and wrong.
She literally tried to gouge out Lucery’s eye when he was just a child! She’s also responsible for the death of Lyonel and Harwin strong. Not to mention she slit open Rhaenyra’s arm and conspired to steal the throne from her.
@@lbn9425 - And what did she do right after? Express remorse and shame over her behavior. - I know blaming female characters for a man's actions is popular in the asoiaf fandom but just for the record, that was Larys' doing. She was horrified by what happened to the Strongs and flat out stated that she never wanted that to happen. But media literacy isn't everyone's thing, huh? Or paying attention apparently. - She usurped the throne because she genuinely believes that is what Viserys wanted and is following the wishes of the king. In the process she did everything she could to make sure Rhaenyra and her kids would not be harmed. Alicent is not a bad person, she is a flawed one just like everyone else. You know what else she's not? A murderer and child groomer.
@@kylemma33 What did she think was going to happen when she told Larys that she wanted her father back in his former position as the hand of the king? She also didn't seem too upset either nor did she punish Larys which shows that she was complicit to an extent.
@@RavenStillBeguilingshe literally didn’t punish Larys for his actions if indeed she felt remorse and wanted justice. In fact I think she’s just as evil and hides behind the cloak of her own righteousness. She literally has a habit of picking up wayward people and making them her lackeys, for instance Larys and Criston Cole, then when shit goes sideways she acts as though she’s innocent. Even Larys said he was just fulfilling her wish.
Anyone who says that Rhaenyra loved her dad or that Daemon loved his brother i would like to point out some things. Rhaenyra and Daemon hadnt visited visarys once over the past 5 years despite knowing his health was failing. Its made all the worse when you realize they were residing nearby on Dragonstone. Dragonstone is only a 30-minute flight away from King's Landing, despite being so close they didn't visit him a single time. The only reason they finally came back to King's Landing wasnt because they loved visarys, it was because they needed something from him. While they were busy forgetting about visarys, Alicent was busy taking care of dying man whom she loved.
I have sympathy for Alicent but you can't excuse her actions because she was put into a bad situation by her own father, instead of being angry at Otto she allowed herself to be manipulated by him and turned on Rhaenyra. Alicent raised her sons to hate Rhaenyra and that whole side of the family, she was complicit in the murder of Lyonal and Harwin strong, she is not innocent in any way. She seems to be regretful in this trailer, like she didn't want things to go this far, but what did she expect when they usurped the throne and killed Rhaenyras son? Think about the difference between Alicent and Rhaenyras boys, Rhaenyras sons would never do anything outside of the box because they're dignified and composed pretty much carbon copies of Jon snow, Rhaenyra raised her sons to be better than she was while Alicent did the opposite and raised hers to have no honour and no compassion, and they're literally full to the brim with hate. Now she's trying to plead to them to be better but it's too late.
Ok I got to debate this Alicent is never shown to teach her kids to hate Rt she tells her kids that Rt can kill her sons if she comes into power to eliminate any challenge to her succession which is a fact. Rt has shown that she cared for no one but herself and her children n not her siblings. Alicent kids knows that Rt kids are bastards n they know that its high treason to sleep with the princess and that it would mean death for her lovers. Rt also asked for her brother to be tortured in episode 7 because she had to take the heat of her and her children. RHAENYRA is the one who showed that her siblings mean nothing to her. Rt also had three father figures to help raise her children not to mention the last 6 years she was on an Island alone with her family raising them while Alicent had to take care of her kids, take care of the kindom, and her ailing husband. Alicent kids grew up the way they were because of their father neglect and mental abuse. King V treated Rt as his only child never cared for Aegon and Aemond, or Daeron. Each child copes in their own way Aegon became a drunk, Aemond became spiteful, heleana was always in her own world, and daeron is in oldtown. King V started all the hate with his family when he showed favoritism and always defend rhaenyra when she absolutely has done wrong.
@@jjosifovic Rhaenyra killing her siblings is absolutely not a fact, it was something Otto said to further manipulate Alicent. Rhaenyra did nothing at that point to even suggest she would consider such a thing. Rhaenyra was never as obsessed with the succession as Otto and Alicent, she claimed it as her birthright and that was it. When Daemon takes Rhaenyra out in episode4 she clearly states that she doesn't care if the people think she's not fit to rule just because she's a woman, why? Because she's a Targaryen, and they have dragons, and just like it is stated in the beginning "The only thing that could take down the HotD was itself." Whether or not the people accepted her did not matter, because there was nothing they could've done about it. Rhaenyra isn't close to her siblings, that's neither her or their fault, it's Alicents. It's shown that she has been pitting the boys against their sister, her telling them Rhaenyra would kill them breeds distrust and hate. She talks about Rhaenyras children being bastatrds and is mad at Viserys for covering that up but does the same thing for Aegon when he grapes girls, gets them pregnant, and then sends the bastatrds off to die in fighting pits...Alicent covers that up...do you understand that? Rhaenyras bastatrds are living lavish in the palace, Aegons are fighting for their lives in pits. Alicent doesn't want Aegon to be like that, but by covering it up she enables that behaviour, making her the ultimate hypocrite because that's the same thing she chastised Viserys for. We've seen that Rhaenyra tried to make amends, she apologised to Alicent for any offence given twice, she knew Aemond didn't have a dragon and offered that he take his pick of syraxs eggs, she proposed that Jace and Haelana wed, a union that would've ensured that both sides ruled together effectively putting an end to the conflict, Alicent refused. There's nothing Rhaenyra could've said or did that would convince her siblings she isn't the spawn of Satan, they've been programmed to think that way since they were kids. Rhaenyra didn't hate her siblings, she saw them and Alicent as victims of Otto Hightower. Even when Lyonal and Harwin strong are murdered she gives Alicent the benefit of the doubt, thinking surely she's not capable of something like that even though she was in fact complicit in the murders. Rhaenyra knew Viserys would never harm his kid, she said that to expose Alicent, which is why Aemond covered for her and blamed Aegon for the rumours. Laenor was useless, Harwin was in secret and Daemon came in at the latter part. Alicent had Otto, and Cole. Viserys was on his death bed for like 15 years, how can you call him neglectful and abusive when the show hasn't aluded to that at all, you're just making stuff up. Man was dying😂like wtf, even then he still got out of his chambers to watch the boys train. All we ever saw was Alicent abusing Aegon, being distant was Haelana, and programming Aemond. Not to mention cursing Haelana to be Aegons wife knowing he's a POS, basically ruining her daughter's life the same way hers was ruined by her father.
@@breburke7286 Rt potentially killing her siblings is a FACT. This is a medieval time period where the line of succession was always male and if rt came into power n if people didn’t want her they would look to her brother to rule. This is a standard medieval succession fact. Never obsessed with succession?Tthat is all she though about. She was always think her father was going to install aegon as heir and she didn’t want that. She said her doubts to her father in episode 2 n she was upset he was considering it in episode 4. Alicent is never shown saying to her kids that rt kids r bastards n also she didn’t need to because alicent kids see that rt kids aint black and look nothing like their father lol Even if alicent told her kids not to trust rhaenyra it looks like she was proven right when rhaenyra asked for aemond to be tortured. So it looks like that distrust isn’t misplaced. I aint arguing alicent aint a hypocrite for covering the rape of what aegon does. N I’m sure alicent didn’t even know about the fighting pits. Ur joking right that rt was making amends? She ONLY made “amends” so she can negotiate a deal for Jace to marry heleana so her bastard son could seem more legitimate and she ONLY did this proposal after her Harwin/ Cole incident was risking rt reputation. I agree rt didn’t hate her siblings and she does give alicent the benefit of the doubt but where do u get that Rhaenyra sees alicent and her kids are victims? What scene r u referring to or is this just head canon? N no alicent is not complicit in the murders. She is complicit in knowing lays killed his father n brother which is a major difference. Like Rhaneyra is complicit in knowing daemon killed that innocent guard to fake laenor death. “Rhaenyra knew Viserys would never harm his kid” again is this head canon? Exposed alicent? Their was nothing to expose because as aegon says just look at them, its not rumors its a fact that the kids r bastards n rhaenyra is committing high treason. Laenor wasn’t useless he obviously was in the children lives watching over them n teaching them since they were born and Harwin was no secret. Harwin was obviously in each of the boys lives given Jace knew Harwin was his father. Saying Harwin was a secret is like saying its a secret that no one knew that laenor wast gay lol Daemon came in the last 6 years of the boys lives as teenagers. So again what 3 father figure in their lives not including king v who’s a part of their lives as well. Alicent had the her neglectful husband n she had Cole for about 14 years and Otto came in the last 6 but again Otto n alicent is managing the entire realm. Cole is father figure ill give u that and king v was nothing but neglectful and emotionally abusive to his kids by alicent. He don’t have to get out of bed but he should at least try to know his kids but as he said “Rhaenyra my only child. Aegon doesn’t believe his father loved him, daeron is to young, Helena barley reacts to his death, and Aemond hates his father. Aemond lost an eye and his father doesn’t seek justice for his son. The king is more upset with aemond for talking about the bastard subject then he is for his son losing an eye……King V was a great father to one kid and was neglectful and emotional abusive to all his kids from Alicent. Alicent slapped her son twice for good reason and is trying to tell him the dangers of rt and her kids to his life and his siblings which is a FACT. Its not poisoning a mindset its not called abuse its called being aware of the MEDIEVAL SUCCESSION FACT. Haelana was distant with Alicent and everyone around her. No proof but I pretty much sure that alicent married haelna to aegon so she wouldn’t be married to Jace and she can keep her daughter close. (Not justifyingthe marriage or say its a good one.) Programming Aemond? Nope sorry Aemond is the way he is because of how he was bullied, loosing an eye and his father emotional abuse. I can even argue Rhaenyra is a terrible mother or even worse than Alicent but for u to say u have no sympathy for a women who was forced into every situation she was put into is baffling to me. Alicent to me is not a perfect person, she isn’t innocent, she is not a great mother, but I can defend the women who was forced under terrible situations n who was always trying to protect her kids for better or worse. I actually have very little sympathy for rheanyra and all the stupid decisions she made.
@@jjosifovicThis was not a fact, but a projection of Otto and his strategy. If Alicent had raised her sons and instilled in them a love for Rhaenyra, then there would have been no war, because none of the other houses can resist the house of dragon
@@beden653 it’s A MEDIEVAL SUCCESSION FACT. It’s like if Luke wanted the throne he would have to kill his older brother Jace to get the throne. It’s a fact that all of Alicent kids r a challenge to Rt n her kids line of succession n if Rt wanted to kill then then she eliminates her competition. If u want to argue Rt wouldn’t do that then ok then but it’s a medieval succession fact.
Aegon III had just been born, it makes no sense that Viserys would name Rhaenyra's last male heir to succeed him when Jacaerys and Lucerys were already in their early teens. Aegon II however was already an adult and was Viserys's firstborn male heir, so following the laws of succession Alicent's son was the only logical choice.
Goddang that brain But yeah I’m team Black. The current generation is one thing but the next generation is the most important to me rn. Alicent’s kids are trash.
@@kylemma33 Alicent's children just had more screentime in the first season but Rhaenyra has more children yet to come with Daemon. Also, Jacaerys and Joffrey are still teenagers and haven't had a lot of character development yet.
They are true-blooded Targs unlike the others. They are not trash lmao. Aemond has more personality, power, and flair in his pinky than all of Rhae's kids combined. You like water-downed dragon riders we get it.
@10:15 The sons are weak? The sons arent good rulers? Your dead wrong on both points, Aemond is one of the best fighters during this era, Aegon isn't scared of a fight, and Daerons nick name is literally "Daeron the daring". While Rhaenyra is regarded as one of the worst rulers of all time. She was so hated that everyone referred to her as "Maegor with tits".
@@sierotkamarysia4199 I said one of the best, not THE best. In episode 8 Aemond was shown getting the best of criston in their Training, which is very impressive due to criston being the best of that time. Aemond Under the tutelage of Criston cole became a very skilled warrior.
that is not more deserving though the king literally named rt heir only because he didnt want daemon to inherit and because he felt bad for killing rhaenyra mother. That doesnt make her qualified or even deserve the throne.
@@kristymcdowell6185 Yes a coronation happened liked twenty years ago where most of the lords are dead now and all ot that oaths were sworn under threat of death by the king. It seems all Rt did was rely on the oaths and did nothing to secure alliances. Rhaenyra has absolutely proven that she was a terrible heir and daughter to the king. So idk how anyone can say she deserved the throne or her faction would rule better then the greens.
@@kristymcdowell6185yup and for years and years he never budges Jody saying that the king said his son should be king is false he brought up ageon but never said his son when she asked if it was there son
Lol, what is up with E-man? It is perfectly OK to not know things or fully understand certain aspects of a story - but his incessant need to voice his opinions on things that 1) he does not fully understand, and 2) are so blatantly and factually incorrect, is actually pure insanity.
On Viserys deathbed he was hallucinating and practically blind. There was a huge storm raging outside and Queen Alicent came to see him (moments after Rhaenyra herself had just visited him). Viserys likely thought he was talking to Rhaenyra as he mentions Aegon's dream and the song of ice and fire, clearly talking about Aegon the Conqueror, not Alicent's son who was named after Aegon I but Alicent misunderstood, Viserys never mentioned Aegon's prophecy and the song of ice and fire to Alicent, so all she got from that conversation was the name of their firstborn male heir and naturally assumed Viserys was trying to say that his son Aegon should take the Iron Throne. I don't think it was her fault, besides Alicent's relationship with Rhaenyra never healed after Prince Aemond lost his eye while fighting Rhaenyra's sons. Perhaps Alicent was also afraid for her children if Rhaenyra ascended the Iron Throne, as Alicent's children would be seen as potential threats to Rhaenyra's rule.
That’s not rhaenyras dragon at the end. It’s an unclaimed one that belonged to the old king, jaehaerys, who was in episode one at the beginning, and is her great grandfather, and yes, Daemon and rhaenyra have two sons
@@MylesFromMKE I believe the team changed Meleys and Vermithor's appearance. Also, I heard that first Vermithor was supposed to be one of Vhagar's alternatives so it makes sense why they changed it.
Aye man Alicent ain’t no angel. She grabbed a blade and sliced the heir to the iron throne. That’s treason. And she was ok with killing her and her sons.
@@JodysCorner yes her dad pimped her out. I’ll give u that. But Rhy didn’t have to go through hell? She literally gave birth and made her walk up to see her and her son after labor. That’s fucked up man lol. And I think she’s a hypocrite. But hey that’s why have these channels. We debate. Team black baby
@@JodysCorneru mean what viserys and Otto did to her? She started hating rhaenyra for absolutely no reason. rhaenyras sex life is no business of hers or her fathers but also Alicent making rhaenyra walk to her after giving birth? But she’s a good friend right…
Nobody is an angel in this show, yet many of you love acting like Alicent is the worst piece of human garbage while ignoring the flaws of the characters you like - especially Rhaenyra and Daemon
Ok! Before King Viserys have died on his death bed, He told his Wife Queen Alicent that Aegon should be King on His death righ t??? but who He taught, was talking to His Daughter Rhaenyra, When He said Aegon should be next King on throne, When Alicent heard that from Viserys She thought or assume that He was talking about their Son Aegon 2nd but nope, King Visneys was talking about and I repeated, His Grandson boy Aegon 3rd, Not his Son Aegon 2nd but Aegon 3rd, how we miss this, have we not watch House Of Dragon on late S1 Episodes People ? Remember when Rhaenyra & Daemon went to visit Viserys first time on bed when He was nearly dying and Viserys ask His Bro Daemon to give him a drink, have we forgot two blond babies boys by Daemon & Rhaenyra two other kids on H.O.D late S1, When Rhaenyra introduce Her two blond hair Sons boys Aegon 3rd and Viserys 2nd to meet their Grandfather and Uncle Viserys 1st on his bed and yes both Daemon and Rhaenyra have two blond boys together they was on S1 for few minutes to see their Grandpa Viserys how we miss this how ??? But King Viserys love both his Grandkids Aegon 3rd and Viserys 2nd who He seems has his heart for the most and younger Viserys 2nd will be the one carried the jeans blood all down generation of Targaryens to Daenerys and Jon Snow consider His biological real Father is Prince Rhaegar Targaryen and Daenerys oldest Brother to, and Jon Snow Mom is a Stark to, So He has both fired and blood valarien in him but yea back to King Viserys said to Alicent who He thought was talking to His Daughter Rhaenyra about put Aegon on throne meaning His Grandson Aegron 3rd both Daemon and Rhaenyra blond hair Son together, but after Rhaenyra death He her Son Aegon 3rd suppose to take over, King Viserys was not talking about His Son Aegon with Alicent Um no, But yea! King Viserys was talking about his blond hair Grandson Aegon 3rd who's was name after their Great, Great, Great Father Aegon 1st the Couqer King. Anyhow both Rhaenyra & Daemon two blond hair Sons will be on S2 again maybe in middle or late S2 H.O.D soon later their Sons names are Aegon 3rd and younger 'Viserys 2nd..✌Peace!
Uncle and Niece relationship is way worse, considering Rhaenyra was 14 and Daemon in his 30's. Basically a pedophilic AND incest relationship. Helaena and Aegon are in the same-age bracket (By a mere 2 years) and it's much more common for Targs to marry between siblings than uncles and nieces (I honestly don't even think there was a Targ union between uncles, aunts, nieces, and nephews until the current timeline). Still not right, but we obviously know which one is nastier.
@@bunnienaevisThere was a marriage between Maegor and his niece Rhaena. Rhaenys' parents were aunt and nephew (Jocelyn and Aemon). So I don't think it's that uncommon.
Good debate fellas but as for the argument of the characters between GOT and HOTD it's hard to compare as we only had the main characters in their whole persona for a half the season the first half was set up to the set up. Now the main story really begins.
That hair is like Magneto’s helmet, NOTHING gets through lololol Alicent’s only logical choice was to think he was talking about their son. #TeamGreen #EmanIsAHater
Thanks JODY! If Visery's first son had not died, he would have made him his heir. He broke years of tradition only because he felt guilty for killing Emma. Allicent gave him an heir and a spare and cared for him till he died. Otto has been running the kingdom while Viserys died a long slow death. Rhynera put a stain on the family by producing children from a lesser house and then abandoned her father to go into hiding. Allicent has put in work.
As viewers we're privy to information that the characters in rhe show dont have. We as viewers know Visarys thought he was speaking Rhaenyra, but Alicent doesnt know that. She doesnt have that information, she honestly believed that her dying husband changed his mind and wanted there son on the throne. So as a dutiful wife, shes trying honor visarys final wishes.
Thank you!
She could have told Rhaenyra what Viserys told her, if she was really looking for an answer
@@adamsibhatu2996Rhaneyra could have talk to her about the prophecy tho ?
@@lilian9725 It was kept secret for generations. Visarys told her when he chose her as his heir. she can only tell the secret to her heir
@@adamsibhatu2996 No that’s the choice she’s making by not explaining wtf is going on to her best friend and then acting surprised ! How could Allicent knew that Viserys wasn’t talking about her Aegon ?
Guys, King Viserys never said "Aegin should be a King" before his death. He only said "Ice & Fire" and "Aegon" . Indeed his son name is Aegon and Alyson makes assumption that he mean that Aegon should be a king... well, It is a minsunderstanding but at the same time I think thats her desire to makes her son to be a King that is why she jump into a conclusion that viserys means that by saying "Aegon" name only...
nope
I am FOREVER Team Black but I second Alicent on that mistake because she genuinely felt that Viserys told her to make their son,Aegon the future King.
The only thing Alicent does wrong is being a Hypocrite by bashing Rhaenyra on her actions while Alicent herself was entertaining and helping a henious murderer and pervert to masterbate in front of her by showing her body parts in exchange of some information while her Husband was still alive.
Alicent is one my favs. But i’m still team black.
Her character is beautiful and so complex. She is not evil but she was influenced by a lot of evil people. As for Ray, she just does whatever she wants and that’s still not good. Very complex character and that’s what makes the show more interesting.
Anyways, let the game begin 🫡
It makes sense she was the realms delight until Aegon showed up she was pretty spoiled and that’s why alicent is bitter towards her because she envy’s rhaenryas freedom but at the end of the day they both did exactly what was expected of them by society and viserys and they got punished in separate ways for it.
I don’t understand why everyone is acting like Alicent is still a child who’s easily influenced. She’s a grown ass woman who can make her own decisions. The same way she stood up to her father and forbade the small council from killing Rhaenyra and her children means she has agency and can differentiate between right and wrong.
@@lbn9425 she was a child when she was influenced. All that building up to the Alicent we have now.
The Alicent hate pisses me off, esp from people who worship Daemon of all people, a man who murdered his innocent wife in cold blood.
She literally tried to gouge out Lucery’s eye when he was just a child! She’s also responsible for the death of Lyonel and Harwin strong. Not to mention she slit open Rhaenyra’s arm and conspired to steal the throne from her.
@@lbn9425 No shes not, she had no idea Larys was going murder them. When she found out about it, she was mortified.
@@lbn9425 - And what did she do right after? Express remorse and shame over her behavior.
- I know blaming female characters for a man's actions is popular in the asoiaf fandom but just for the record, that was Larys' doing. She was horrified by what happened to the Strongs and flat out stated that she never wanted that to happen. But media literacy isn't everyone's thing, huh? Or paying attention apparently.
- She usurped the throne because she genuinely believes that is what Viserys wanted and is following the wishes of the king. In the process she did everything she could to make sure Rhaenyra and her kids would not be harmed.
Alicent is not a bad person, she is a flawed one just like everyone else. You know what else she's not? A murderer and child groomer.
@@kylemma33 What did she think was going to happen when she told Larys that she wanted her father back in his former position as the hand of the king? She also didn't seem too upset either nor did she punish Larys which shows that she was complicit to an extent.
@@RavenStillBeguilingshe literally didn’t punish Larys for his actions if indeed she felt remorse and wanted justice. In fact I think she’s just as evil and hides behind the cloak of her own righteousness. She literally has a habit of picking up wayward people and making them her lackeys, for instance Larys and Criston Cole, then when shit goes sideways she acts as though she’s innocent. Even Larys said he was just fulfilling her wish.
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Anyone who says that Rhaenyra loved her dad or that Daemon loved his brother i would like to point out some things. Rhaenyra and Daemon hadnt visited visarys once over the past 5 years despite knowing his health was failing. Its made all the worse when you realize they were residing nearby on Dragonstone. Dragonstone is only a 30-minute flight away from King's Landing, despite being so close they didn't visit him a single time. The only reason they finally came back to King's Landing wasnt because they loved visarys, it was because they needed something from him. While they were busy forgetting about visarys, Alicent was busy taking care of dying man whom she loved.
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The News of his death caused Rhaenyra's miscarriage.
I didnt even see 5% of that level of trauma on Alicent's face.
King viserys, banished the two for getting married without permission. They were only invited back, to petition for lucerys to succeed corlys.
They were banished for marrying without his permission, also you see daemons reaction to his brothers death. that should be enough.
They were banished by visery’s for marrying without his permission. They were only allowed at kings landing to fight for lucery’s claim.
@@musiclover9518 Did you not see her crying her eyes out when she was alone with his body?
All hail king Aegon💚
This summer is about to be lit
I have sympathy for Alicent but you can't excuse her actions because she was put into a bad situation by her own father, instead of being angry at Otto she allowed herself to be manipulated by him and turned on Rhaenyra. Alicent raised her sons to hate Rhaenyra and that whole side of the family, she was complicit in the murder of Lyonal and Harwin strong, she is not innocent in any way. She seems to be regretful in this trailer, like she didn't want things to go this far, but what did she expect when they usurped the throne and killed Rhaenyras son? Think about the difference between Alicent and Rhaenyras boys, Rhaenyras sons would never do anything outside of the box because they're dignified and composed pretty much carbon copies of Jon snow, Rhaenyra raised her sons to be better than she was while Alicent did the opposite and raised hers to have no honour and no compassion, and they're literally full to the brim with hate. Now she's trying to plead to them to be better but it's too late.
Ok I got to debate this Alicent is never shown to teach her kids to hate Rt she tells her kids that Rt can kill her sons if she comes into power to eliminate any challenge to her succession which is a fact. Rt has shown that she cared for no one but herself and her children n not her siblings.
Alicent kids knows that Rt kids are bastards n they know that its high treason to sleep with the princess and that it would mean death for her lovers. Rt also asked for her brother to be tortured in episode 7 because she had to take the heat of her and her children. RHAENYRA is the one who showed that her siblings mean nothing to her. Rt also had three father figures to help raise her children not to mention the last 6 years she was on an Island alone with her family raising them while Alicent had to take care of her kids, take care of the kindom, and her ailing husband.
Alicent kids grew up the way they were because of their father neglect and mental abuse. King V treated Rt as his only child never cared for Aegon and Aemond, or Daeron. Each child copes in their own way Aegon became a drunk, Aemond became spiteful, heleana was always in her own world, and daeron is in oldtown. King V started all the hate with his family when he showed favoritism and always defend rhaenyra when she absolutely has done wrong.
@@jjosifovic Rhaenyra killing her siblings is absolutely not a fact, it was something Otto said to further manipulate Alicent. Rhaenyra did nothing at that point to even suggest she would consider such a thing. Rhaenyra was never as obsessed with the succession as Otto and Alicent, she claimed it as her birthright and that was it. When Daemon takes Rhaenyra out in episode4 she clearly states that she doesn't care if the people think she's not fit to rule just because she's a woman, why? Because she's a Targaryen, and they have dragons, and just like it is stated in the beginning "The only thing that could take down the HotD was itself." Whether or not the people accepted her did not matter, because there was nothing they could've done about it.
Rhaenyra isn't close to her siblings, that's neither her or their fault, it's Alicents. It's shown that she has been pitting the boys against their sister, her telling them Rhaenyra would kill them breeds distrust and hate. She talks about Rhaenyras children being bastatrds and is mad at Viserys for covering that up but does the same thing for Aegon when he grapes girls, gets them pregnant, and then sends the bastatrds off to die in fighting pits...Alicent covers that up...do you understand that? Rhaenyras bastatrds are living lavish in the palace, Aegons are fighting for their lives in pits. Alicent doesn't want Aegon to be like that, but by covering it up she enables that behaviour, making her the ultimate hypocrite because that's the same thing she chastised Viserys for.
We've seen that Rhaenyra tried to make amends, she apologised to Alicent for any offence given twice, she knew Aemond didn't have a dragon and offered that he take his pick of syraxs eggs, she proposed that Jace and Haelana wed, a union that would've ensured that both sides ruled together effectively putting an end to the conflict, Alicent refused. There's nothing Rhaenyra could've said or did that would convince her siblings she isn't the spawn of Satan, they've been programmed to think that way since they were kids. Rhaenyra didn't hate her siblings, she saw them and Alicent as victims of Otto Hightower. Even when Lyonal and Harwin strong are murdered she gives Alicent the benefit of the doubt, thinking surely she's not capable of something like that even though she was in fact complicit in the murders.
Rhaenyra knew Viserys would never harm his kid, she said that to expose Alicent, which is why Aemond covered for her and blamed Aegon for the rumours.
Laenor was useless, Harwin was in secret and Daemon came in at the latter part. Alicent had Otto, and Cole. Viserys was on his death bed for like 15 years, how can you call him neglectful and abusive when the show hasn't aluded to that at all, you're just making stuff up. Man was dying😂like wtf, even then he still got out of his chambers to watch the boys train.
All we ever saw was Alicent abusing Aegon, being distant was Haelana, and programming Aemond. Not to mention cursing Haelana to be Aegons wife knowing he's a POS, basically ruining her daughter's life the same way hers was ruined by her father.
@@breburke7286 Rt potentially killing her siblings is a FACT. This is a medieval time period where the line of succession was always male and if rt came into power n if people didn’t want her they would look to her brother to rule. This is a standard medieval succession fact. Never obsessed with succession?Tthat is all she though about. She was always think her father was going to install aegon as heir and she didn’t want that. She said her doubts to her father in episode 2 n she was upset he was considering it in episode 4.
Alicent is never shown saying to her kids that rt kids r bastards n also she didn’t need to because alicent kids see that rt kids aint black and look nothing like their father lol Even if alicent told her kids not to trust rhaenyra it looks like she was proven right when rhaenyra asked for aemond to be tortured. So it looks like that distrust isn’t misplaced.
I aint arguing alicent aint a hypocrite for covering the rape of what aegon does. N I’m sure alicent didn’t even know about the fighting pits.
Ur joking right that rt was making amends? She ONLY made “amends” so she can negotiate a deal for Jace to marry heleana so her bastard son could seem more legitimate and she ONLY did this proposal after her Harwin/ Cole incident was risking rt reputation.
I agree rt didn’t hate her siblings and she does give alicent the benefit of the doubt but where do u get that Rhaenyra sees alicent and her kids are victims? What scene r u referring to or is this just head canon? N no alicent is not complicit in the murders. She is complicit in knowing lays killed his father n brother which is a major difference. Like Rhaneyra is complicit in knowing daemon killed that innocent guard to fake laenor death.
“Rhaenyra knew Viserys would never harm his kid” again is this head canon? Exposed alicent? Their was nothing to expose because as aegon says just look at them, its not rumors its a fact that the kids r bastards n rhaenyra is committing high treason.
Laenor wasn’t useless he obviously was in the children lives watching over them n teaching them since they were born and Harwin was no secret. Harwin was obviously in each of the boys lives given Jace knew Harwin was his father. Saying Harwin was a secret is like saying its a secret that no one knew that laenor wast gay lol Daemon came in the last 6 years of the boys lives as teenagers. So again what 3 father figure in their lives not including king v who’s a part of their lives as well.
Alicent had the her neglectful husband n she had Cole for about 14 years and Otto came in the last 6 but again Otto n alicent is managing the entire realm. Cole is father figure ill give u that and king v was nothing but neglectful and emotionally abusive to his kids by alicent. He don’t have to get out of bed but he should at least try to know his kids but as he said “Rhaenyra my only child. Aegon doesn’t believe his father loved him, daeron is to young, Helena barley reacts to his death, and Aemond hates his father. Aemond lost an eye and his father doesn’t seek justice for his son. The king is more upset with aemond for talking about the bastard subject then he is for his son losing an eye……King V was a great father to one kid and was neglectful and emotional abusive to all his kids from Alicent.
Alicent slapped her son twice for good reason and is trying to tell him the dangers of rt and her kids to his life and his siblings which is a FACT. Its not poisoning a mindset its not called abuse its called being aware of the MEDIEVAL SUCCESSION FACT.
Haelana was distant with Alicent and everyone around her. No proof but I pretty much sure that alicent married haelna to aegon so she wouldn’t be married to Jace and she can keep her daughter close. (Not justifyingthe marriage or say its a good one.) Programming Aemond? Nope sorry Aemond is the way he is because of how he was bullied, loosing an eye and his father emotional abuse.
I can even argue Rhaenyra is a terrible mother or even worse than Alicent but for u to say u have no sympathy for a women who was forced into every situation she was put into is baffling to me.
Alicent to me is not a perfect person, she isn’t innocent, she is not a great mother, but I can defend the women who was forced under terrible situations n who was always trying to protect her kids for better or worse.
I actually have very little sympathy for rheanyra and all the stupid decisions she made.
@@jjosifovicThis was not a fact, but a projection of Otto and his strategy. If Alicent had raised her sons and instilled in them a love for Rhaenyra, then there would have been no war, because none of the other houses can resist the house of dragon
@@beden653 it’s A MEDIEVAL SUCCESSION FACT. It’s like if Luke wanted the throne he would have to kill his older brother Jace to get the throne.
It’s a fact that all of Alicent kids r a challenge to Rt n her kids line of succession n if Rt wanted to kill then then she eliminates her competition.
If u want to argue Rt wouldn’t do that then ok then but it’s a medieval succession fact.
The dragon on the last scene is Vermithor. The dragon Deamon was singing to, last season
The other kids attacked Aemond in the cave, not the other way around.
Does E-man not know that Alicent doesn’t know about the story of ice and fire???
Raynera also has a son name Aagon so Alicient still doesn't have a point she heard what she wanted to hear.
The actress who plays Alicent disagrees, she says Alicent truly believed visarys changed his mind and wants her to help their son Aegon be king.
Aegon III had just been born, it makes no sense that Viserys would name Rhaenyra's last male heir to succeed him when Jacaerys and Lucerys were already in their early teens. Aegon II however was already an adult and was Viserys's firstborn male heir, so following the laws of succession Alicent's son was the only logical choice.
Daenerys Targaryen descended from Rhaenyra’s bloodline so team black ultimately won.
“A MINORRRR” while Daemon is on screen 😂👌
We back in June 🔥 Team Black 🖤🖤
QUEEN RHAENYRA TARGARYEN MOTHER OF TWO KINGS AND GRANDMOTHER OF THREE KINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!
And Sunfyre's favorite snac🐉🔥😂
@@TheDream6842 Aegon😵😵😵😵
@@TheDream6842😅😅 sunfyre Is the 🗿
Mother of bastards and incest
Goddang that brain
But yeah I’m team Black. The current generation is one thing but the next generation is the most important to me rn. Alicent’s kids are trash.
Atleast they have personality. Jace, luc, and Joffrey are beyond bland.
@@kylemma33personality in question is raping, killing and mumbling spoilers
@@kylemma33 Alicent's children just had more screentime in the first season but Rhaenyra has more children yet to come with Daemon. Also, Jacaerys and Joffrey are still teenagers and haven't had a lot of character development yet.
They are true-blooded Targs unlike the others. They are not trash lmao. Aemond has more personality, power, and flair in his pinky than all of Rhae's kids combined. You like water-downed dragon riders we get it.
Ageon personality is a drunk rapist @@kylemma33
@10:15 The sons are weak? The sons arent good rulers? Your dead wrong on both points, Aemond is one of the best fighters during this era, Aegon isn't scared of a fight, and Daerons nick name is literally "Daeron the daring". While Rhaenyra is regarded as one of the worst rulers of all time. She was so hated that everyone referred to her as "Maegor with tits".
Aemond the best fighter of the era? Ok which fight did he won exactly that didn’t involve burning small folk 😂
@@sierotkamarysia4199 I said one of the best, not THE best. In episode 8 Aemond was shown getting the best of criston in their Training, which is very impressive due to criston being the best of that time. Aemond Under the tutelage of Criston cole became a very skilled warrior.
You pulled that out of your ass. Jace was praised by the whole realm even after his death
@@Karasuno86 What does jace have to do with my comment?
@@Karasuno86😂
As someone from wales 🏴 will always be team black baby!! 🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤
I wanna go to Wales
Green more deserving? Huh? Viserys said Rhy was his heir to the iron throne. That’s that lol
that is not more deserving though the king literally named rt heir only because he didnt want daemon to inherit and because he felt bad for killing rhaenyra mother. That doesnt make her qualified or even deserve the throne.
@@jjosifovic still. They had the coronation. She was named heir
@@kristymcdowell6185 Yes a coronation happened liked twenty years ago where most of the lords are dead now and all ot that oaths were sworn under threat of death by the king. It seems all Rt did was rely on the oaths and did nothing to secure alliances.
Rhaenyra has absolutely proven that she was a terrible heir and daughter to the king. So idk how anyone can say she deserved the throne or her faction would rule better then the greens.
@@kristymcdowell6185yup and for years and years he never budges Jody saying that the king said his son should be king is false he brought up ageon but never said his son when she asked if it was there son
@@BLACKlVlAMB4 I also don’t like how he thinks Alicent is innocent. She def is far from it. But hey that’s what these channels do. We discuss.
Lol, what is up with E-man? It is perfectly OK to not know things or fully understand certain aspects of a story - but his incessant need to voice his opinions on things that 1) he does not fully understand, and 2) are so blatantly and factually incorrect, is actually pure insanity.
Aegon riding Sunfyre total badass
Did he just say Rhaenyra just wants the throne bc of greed and ego 💀 I think these guys have been watching a different show 🤣
Team Green 💚💚💚
Jody I agree with you on the pain from being groomed by her own father. She suffered a lot
On Viserys deathbed he was hallucinating and practically blind. There was a huge storm raging outside and Queen Alicent came to see him (moments after Rhaenyra herself had just visited him). Viserys likely thought he was talking to Rhaenyra as he mentions Aegon's dream and the song of ice and fire, clearly talking about Aegon the Conqueror, not Alicent's son who was named after Aegon I but Alicent misunderstood, Viserys never mentioned Aegon's prophecy and the song of ice and fire to Alicent, so all she got from that conversation was the name of their firstborn male heir and naturally assumed Viserys was trying to say that his son Aegon should take the Iron Throne. I don't think it was her fault, besides Alicent's relationship with Rhaenyra never healed after Prince Aemond lost his eye while fighting Rhaenyra's sons. Perhaps Alicent was also afraid for her children if Rhaenyra ascended the Iron Throne, as Alicent's children would be seen as potential threats to Rhaenyra's rule.
Them reaction with Eman gonna be tougggggggh
Team 🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤!!!! I've been ready for this since the first teaser trailer. BRING ON THE SHOW!!!!!!
Fun fact- why Cole is hauling as on his horse? Beala is chasing him on her dragon
That’s not rhaenyras dragon at the end. It’s an unclaimed one that belonged to the old king, jaehaerys, who was in episode one at the beginning, and is her great grandfather, and yes, Daemon and rhaenyra have two sons
Hugh hammer will claim it.
@@manvirshergill1739 I know, I just didn’t want to spoil it for them
That was Vermithor? I swear we saw him in season 1 during daemons song, doesn’t look like the same model?
@@MylesFromMKE yeah, the curved horns look the same, either way, it’s definitely not Syrax
@@MylesFromMKE I believe the team changed Meleys and Vermithor's appearance. Also, I heard that first Vermithor was supposed to be one of Vhagar's alternatives so it makes sense why they changed it.
I could’ve sworn on his death bed he meant for rhaenyra’s son to rule once he comes of age or after his mother
Aye man Alicent ain’t no angel. She grabbed a blade and sliced the heir to the iron throne. That’s treason. And she was ok with killing her and her sons.
I like how you leave out all the hell she had to endure before that. That was her blowing up under pressure and stress
@@JodysCorner yes her dad pimped her out. I’ll give u that. But Rhy didn’t have to go through hell? She literally gave birth and made her walk up to see her and her son after labor. That’s fucked up man lol. And I think she’s a hypocrite. But hey that’s why have these channels. We debate. Team black baby
@@JodysCorneru mean what viserys and Otto did to her? She started hating rhaenyra for absolutely no reason. rhaenyras sex life is no business of hers or her fathers but also Alicent making rhaenyra walk to her after giving birth? But she’s a good friend right…
@@nomaannajeeb2873 lol alicent always defend rt up until episode 5. started hating rhaenyra for no reason? ur joking right?
Nobody is an angel in this show, yet many of you love acting like Alicent is the worst piece of human garbage while ignoring the flaws of the characters you like - especially Rhaenyra and Daemon
Ok! Before King Viserys have died
on his death bed, He told his Wife Queen Alicent that Aegon should be King on His death righ t??? but who He taught, was talking to His Daughter Rhaenyra, When He said Aegon should be next King on throne, When Alicent heard that from Viserys She thought or assume that He was talking about their Son Aegon 2nd but nope,
King Visneys was talking about
and I repeated, His Grandson boy Aegon 3rd, Not his Son Aegon 2nd but Aegon 3rd, how we miss this, have we not watch House Of Dragon on late S1 Episodes People ?
Remember when Rhaenyra & Daemon went to visit Viserys first time on bed when He was nearly dying and Viserys ask His Bro Daemon to give him a drink, have we forgot two blond babies boys by Daemon & Rhaenyra two other kids on H.O.D late S1, When Rhaenyra introduce Her two blond hair Sons boys Aegon 3rd and Viserys 2nd to meet their Grandfather and Uncle Viserys 1st on his bed and yes both Daemon and Rhaenyra have two blond boys together they was on S1 for few minutes to see their Grandpa Viserys how we miss this how ??? But King Viserys love both his Grandkids Aegon 3rd and Viserys 2nd who He seems has his heart for the most and younger Viserys 2nd will be the one carried the jeans blood all down generation of Targaryens to Daenerys and Jon Snow consider His biological real Father is Prince Rhaegar Targaryen and Daenerys oldest Brother to, and Jon Snow Mom is a Stark to, So He has both fired and blood valarien in him but yea back to King Viserys said to Alicent who He thought was talking to His Daughter Rhaenyra about put Aegon on throne meaning His Grandson Aegron 3rd both Daemon and Rhaenyra blond hair Son together, but after Rhaenyra death He her Son Aegon 3rd suppose to take over,
King Viserys was not talking about
His Son Aegon with Alicent Um no,
But yea! King Viserys was talking about his blond hair Grandson Aegon 3rd who's was name after their Great, Great, Great Father Aegon 1st the Couqer King.
Anyhow both Rhaenyra & Daemon
two blond hair Sons will be on S2
again maybe in middle or late S2
H.O.D soon later their Sons names are Aegon 3rd and younger 'Viserys 2nd..✌Peace!
let's go I was waiting for this reaction
You thought Uncle and Niece was bad. Don’t forget, Aegon II married his sister Helaena Targaryen.
Uncle and Niece relationship is way worse, considering Rhaenyra was 14 and Daemon in his 30's. Basically a pedophilic AND incest relationship. Helaena and Aegon are in the same-age bracket (By a mere 2 years) and it's much more common for Targs to marry between siblings than uncles and nieces (I honestly don't even think there was a Targ union between uncles, aunts, nieces, and nephews until the current timeline). Still not right, but we obviously know which one is nastier.
@@bunnienaevisok, they are all terrible. You won’t get a disagreement out of me.
@@bunnienaevisRhaenys' parents are aunt and nephew ( Jocelyn and Aemon).
@@bunnienaevisThere was a marriage between Maegor and his niece Rhaena. Rhaenys' parents were aunt and nephew (Jocelyn and Aemon). So I don't think it's that uncommon.
Alicent is the Sakura of HOTD she doesn't deserve this much hate imo
If you side with alicent, you’re advocating for Aegon to take the throne. He’s an older Joffrey with a dragon….
@@MylesFromMKE Im still team black I just dont hate Alicent as much as other people
Alicent is way better than sakura lol sakura was annoying asf till the end
@@KaiiZeR971 I disagree part one sakura was annoying but not sakura in shippuden and onward
@@FireFistAce. even in shippuden I thought she was annoying…
Good debate fellas but as for the argument of the characters between GOT and HOTD it's hard to compare as we only had the main characters in their whole persona for a half the season the first half was set up to the set up. Now the main story really begins.
Team Green, yeah😂
Bro your comparisons horrible
Team Allicent!
@@JodysCornerTeam green💚💚
I feel you on that Alicent shit for the most part
Jody please rewatch season 1
Rhaenyra literally didn't want to go to war with daemon casue she is thinking of the future of the kingdom
I dont need to rewatch the show to know that.
Lets Go Greens because they know how to handle the realm unlike the blacks.
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@@yasigreen1390 well am i wrong?
🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
you mean, otto?
@@fernandacaldasn Otto and alicent and the entire green council.
Wtf is E man talking about he needs to rewatch the show again
Jody got that third eye open! TEAM ALICENT PERIOD
rhaenyra that baby💯
This dude is a clown 🤡
TEAM GREEN, TEAM AEMOND & TEAM ALICENT! 💚💚💚
Team Alicent! 🟢🟢🟢
E-man kinda slow😂
They talking about rhae and daemon's incest when aegon is literally married and had kids with his sister..
Team Green 💚💚💚💚
Aegon i Helena to bracia z dwójką dzieci.
😵😵😵
I’m team Damian
And I think Jody had a trash take
The king got out of his deathbed to name his daughter the heir to his throne
I'm Team Dragon. Whichever side, I wanna see dragons f**k some s**t up. 😁
Forbidden pleasure???? LMAO I can’t
Team Dark Green
That hair is like Magneto’s helmet, NOTHING gets through lololol Alicent’s only logical choice was to think he was talking about their son. #TeamGreen #EmanIsAHater
Yesssss
Queen r all day
Team Alicent 🔥🔥🔥
Read the book, Alicent is not innocent at all 😅😅
Yesss TEAM GREEN
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There will be blood and 🧀
Team Black 🖤
Queen Rhaenyra Targaryen 🖤
Deserving????? 😭😭😭
Team Rhaenyra! Freak EVERYBODY else!
Thanks JODY! If Visery's first son had not died, he would have made him his heir. He broke years of tradition only because he felt guilty for killing Emma. Allicent gave him an heir and a spare and cared for him till he died. Otto has been running the kingdom while Viserys died a long slow death. Rhynera put a stain on the family by producing children from a lesser house and then abandoned her father to go into hiding. Allicent has put in work.
Did he say daemon was trash??? I can’t 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Virgo... For peace in this world...is ...LAME
same im fully team alicent
>:)
Does E-man not know that Alicent doesn’t know about the story of ice and fire???