Finland's military strength explained
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- Опубліковано 12 тра 2022
- What do Finland's Armed Forces look like, and how would they contribute to NATO's overall strength?
Simon Newton explains.
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You forgot; LARGEST artilley capability in Western Europe.
Another issue, everyone keeps repeating the 800 miles border thing. When looking at a topographical map, it quickly turns out that of those 800 miles, no more than 50 miles are suitable ground for the kind of tank and mechanized warfare the Russian military favours. There are areas in the North of Finland where the ground clares again and tanks are usable, but more than half of that 800 mile leads to lakes and easily defended crossings.
They also forget to mention the huge swamps that riddle the whole eastern border area. You can be walking in normal looking forest and suddenly lose your shoe when stepping into a swamp that you did not even see.
@@Wezqu Makes me think of the state of Florida in the US. Swampy.
Ukraine has caused some of the most significant losses to Russia with a smart use of artillery
@@brandyf4088 Much colder, but yes :)
@@joonamikkola7800 and Finland thoroughly knows how to use it smart
Finnish army also responds to new information very quickly, putting on a purchase tender for 1,000 to 2,000 additional reconnaissance drones (that were't budgeted before) just last month based on the latest data from Ukraine.
Another example is that military structure was changed 2015 and legislation 2017 to give more effective ability to counter a possible "little green men" scenario against Finland.
@@KaiMarcad what does that mean..green men..meaning from out there..
@@williamwoskolub4345 Little green men is a nickname given to the unmarked Russian troops on Crimea 2014. 2015 our military structure was changed so that military has faster ability to respond if a small group of unmarked troops appears to Finland. 2017 unmarked troops on Finnish soil were declared illlegal.
@@Por0 What do you mean by huge Russian population and offspring. Feel like you have been in one of those supernatural sites who tell you tell that UK is invaded by aliens as their main topic. Everything you said has nothing to do with reality in Finland.
@@williamwoskolub4345 Kai Marcad answered to you very well, I only want to say that Finland doesn't take it's defence against Russia lightly and has never done that in history. Even 1939 we had all our assets what we had deployed to prevent Soviet Union from conquering us, from that and whole of WW2 we learned that don't trust Russia and never let your guard down. So we have always kept our military potential strong with a small population when compared to many other bigger nations.
I served in 92. I have lived abroad almost my whole life. I'd come home in a blink of an eye! Suomi 🇫🇮 forever!
I do not have any military training but I feel the same. I would go back to Finland to do what ever possible in case I was needed.
Finland has been protector of the north for almost 100 years now, thank you. It's will make history if the brothers Sweden and Finland joins NATO
FINN, SWEDEN AND NATO WANT WW3, OK U WILL GET IT SOON!!
The watchers on the Wall.
100?! More like 900!
if i knew one think about finns , they are brave and indephandet also peacefull nation , same hand usa escaleted and manupulated all around europe to create new fear as they did in asia , south america and middle east , i am not sure why but i know one thing , yankes war machine always use nations to another as a tool, Mr. Niinistö well experienced , from cold war politican and he is not stupid one !!
The only solution to have peace in Europe is that NATO accepts that Russia joins NATO:-
A historic step for Europe.
阿門
Splendid Finland 🇫🇮 welcome to the band of brothers
Band of US puppet.
Ja Wilkommen in der Nato Kyllä, tervetuloa Natoon
Thanks
Братья это мусульмане, а вы не мусульмане, так что закрой свой рот
Yeah once Turkey would say yes lol
During the Winter War of Finland vs the Soviet Union. 5 to 7 Russians died for every Fin. They had 30ish tanks and a 100 or so aircraft vs Russia's 4000ish tanks and roughly 3500 aircraft.
They know their terrain and they know how to defend it. Their soldiers are, soldier for soldier, some of the toughest and best in the world. They definitely would be an asset for NATO.
But they still lost two wars against Russia.
And Russia didn't force them into the warshaw pact for a promise they would stay neutral which Finland is now breaking
Finns do like to talk about the winter war as a great win against Soviet Red Army.
But in fact Soviet mobilized a very small and under armed part of their army to Finland.
Both Sweden and Germany was Finland allies in the war , but still.
Finland lost 10% of their landmass, and became a tributary state to Soviet union till the 80's.
The Finlandization.
It is not 1940s anymore you bozo.. The main reason Finland withstood Soviet invasion at that time was cold.. Now they are bugs under Russian boots..
@@cezmikaloie Russia has some of the coldest climates on earth. And that boot can't even crush a country 10 times smaller right now. All bark, no bite.
@@tommieberggren3324 Granted. But that doesn't take away from the fact that they are formidable in winter warfare. Which is something NATO doesn't have enough of, imo.
Finland has also just ordered 64 f35-a fighters
Who in their right mind would order f35? They work like 60% in non war time. With maintenance issues 24/7. Hahaha some1 fooled the finns 😂😂😂
@@ursulavondercrazy9197 they were on sale
@@ursulavondercrazy9197 Finland carefully notes the activities of the Israel Air Force whom they have close relations. After evaluating their use they decided to order 60 aircraft a few months ago. They will be delivered in batches until 2030. In addition Finland is choosing one of two Israeli made air anti missile/drone systems
@@ursulavondercrazy9197 rather than Finnish military (a long with a dozen others with actual access to the jet) being fooled could it be that the F35 is actual a decent jet?
@@JayJay-xr2up "Finland made Europe's biggest fighter jet deal" Sounds very cheap. Those were all Lockheed’s F-35 Stealths which has 15 to 1 Kill Ratio.
Forgot to mention that Finland also has one of the largest artillery forces in Europe....look how important artillery has been in Ukraine and do your conclusions how strong Finland actually is. Lets just say Russia would need double or triple the amount of troops and vehicles to have any kind of success even if we would not be part of NATO, plus we have the geography on our side as well, Russian land forces would have hard time to make it through all the forests and lakes we have close to our borders, essentially the only way they could move forward is through the roads and well you know how that has worked out for them in Ukraine...
Honestly as Finn I very much doubt Russia would have attacked us were we part of NATO or not...but NATO membership was/is the final thing we needed to maximize our security, plus its the biggest middle finger we could give to Putin for invading Ukraine, so im in full support of it. Could give us the benefit to get weapon systems and any future vehicles at lower cost too!
The moment Russia chose to attack Ukraine was the final straw that they chose to cut any good or atleast decent relationship with us.
The 2nd invasion of Ukraine was the straw that broke the fins back? Huh
Europeans want to be friends when they see bad weather coming.
Respect 🙏 from 🇺🇸!! SLAVA UKRAINE 🇺🇦 ♥
Well expressed....
Large reserve size necessitates a large stockpile of artillery for the support of land forces.
Correct, and the number is 900 000 with reserves..
I am half Finnish.
I grew up and live in the UK but if Russia ever do threaten Finland I! I will have to volunteer myself to the Finnish army for anything I can do to help. I just hope I will be able to support myself financially but I'm sure nothing will stop me. Suomi 💪😎👍
Anyone thinking of invading Finland needs their head examined. It's not just their military capabilities but a huge percentage of the civilians own high powered guns because hunting is a way of life to them and they a a very proud people so any invaders would have a huge militia force to face too . I've had the good fortune to be able to visit Finland on holiday and they are amazing people.
but not very smart, 1939 was a clue
@@katzgar a lot has changed in 70+ years
@@katzgar Einstein level smart when compared to Russians
Something Finland has in its Arsenal that no other country in the world has; Sisu.
As a Finn I beg to differ, because it seems that also Ukrainians have a very similar strenght.
@@tab8k true maybe sisu only comes out when defending own country
@@tab8k As a Finn Sisu is universal thing to never give up on your beliefs and to defend that belief even with your life, but the word "Sisu" is a Finnish national word that is for us Finnish people only. Sanoit kyllä hyvin sen, että Ukrainalaisilla on sama henki, tää tilanne muistuttaa Talvisotaa, mutta hyvä muistaa ne on 40 miljoona isompi väkiluvultaan ja verrattuna Suomen tilanteeseen talvisodassa niitä tukee käytännössä koko EU ja USA. Monta valtiota voit sanoa tuki meitä talvisodassa? Ruotsin hallituskin näytti ison keskisormen kun Britit yritti saada tuoda meille aseita läpi Ruotsin rautateitä...
@@finisheddayz5929 I'd say, defending democratic values and freedom for Finland, definitely not nationalism.
Arsenal are useless. Sheffield Wednesday are much better.
During this times it is nice to have possibility to mobilize almost cold war era amount of military strength. (War time strength of 280 000 , total reserve of 900 000 ) Good that we have continued with universal conscript
@Untold Most Finnish are well educated and smart people. (while you cannot even spell trained, even you have UK flag as your picture.) Everyone in reserve has had 6-12 months military training.
@Untold Depends on your definition of a military power. It punches way above its weight and wouldn't be a walk in the park for any military.
@Untold Based on what analysis ? Have you check any facts ? For example artillery is huge compared to most European countries. For defending own country there is lots of military power even there isn't power to start to conquer other countries.
To Untold..... you should be ashamed of yourself, study your history, the Finn's and Swedes are more than welcome as far as I'm concerned.
@@janko6608 By other countries standard the 250K extra you call up in war and that get refresher training are your reserve. While its worth acknowledging all adult men have been through training it's not the same.
Finland has such an incredibly competent and brave people - anyone even thinking about testing their resolve should think again.
Finnish are highly educated in Scandinavian. In terms of technology, they're really knowledgeable, knows how and savvy. Military might, they're ready to fight and defend their country.
finland are not in Scandinavia
@@langlock1566 duh. So must be in Timbaktu. Haha 🤣
Culturally, Finland can be considered part of Scandinavia, but geographically it belongs to Fenno-Scandia. Either way, culture is completely western and Finland is a very high-tech country.
FINN, SWEDEN AND NATO WANT WW3, OK U WILL GET IT SOON!!
@@usa9116 Stop being naive. You sound ridiculous. Putin is way too cowardly to start WW III. And besides, he can't launch nuclear missiles on his own but Russia has a chain of command for launching nuke missiles.
The map in the beginning of the video 0:00 - 0:10 is from pre-WW2 since in it Finland still has the Karelian isthmus, which it lost to the USSR in WW2.
Yeah, an allusion the Soviet invasion.
Love Finland’s flag!
Finland inside NATO. Unbeatable.
@thomas stein yes but being in NATO prevents an attack in the first place. Why let thousands die when you can stop that happening by joining NATO? Its simple logic
@thomas stein Then why is Finland so keen to join NATO, smarty.
Could it possibly be because of the Russo-Finnish War or Winter War, November 30, 1939-March 12, 1940 war waged by the Soviet Union against Finland at the beginning of World War II following the conclusion of the German-Soviet Nonaggression Pact in 1939.
Do you really think the Finn's considered themselves completely safe from the Russian threat posed by the Soviet Union and that is why they pursued a defense alliance with Estonia, Latvia, and Poland as far back as the 1920's. I think it is you that needs to pick up a good history book.😂🤣😂🤣😎
Finland is at home inside NATO.
@@stretfordender11 being in NATO will just mean you have to go fight stupid wars for which Turkey will get itself involved in. Thank the Turks if they block this!
@@TheBooban when has that happened or are you lying?
No matter how good our military is, it doesn't guarantee that no one gets hurt if the worst happens. As a NATO member, we should have better guarantees that no one gets hurt because it's the best deterrent against an attack.
Finland or Sweden should have been in Nato long time ago. For example Greece is so pro Russia or Hungary and yet are in Nato.
Hungary should be kicked out....
Greece pro Russia? I keep seeing protest against Russia and govt is against Russia?
Finland and Sweden never wanted to join. No one is forced to join or stay in NATO.
As far as Greece, France, Hungary, and some other countries in NATO: those are anti-USA more than anything else.
Long ago, Sweden and Finland stood strong alone and didn’t need NATO then. And they don’t need NATO now against this weakened and incapable Russia. Makes no sense to join.
@@willw8011 Yes, I agree 100%. I travel a lot because of photography and I enjoy visiting many places. Usually I did not focus on asking people a lot but for the past 15 years I do. I noticed that in Greece people there don't really like America at all. Those who like America are immigrants in Europe and work in the west. They even hate Israel and support Palestine. I then went around Hungary in 2018 and noticed that people there don't like America at all. They think Jews in America want to control Hungary as well. Just search Russia drone in Croatia. There was a drone from Russia that flew to Croatia over Hungary airspace. In France, you can see that France is always against America diplomatically and in less than 10 years right wing will take France and they will leave NATO and EU. In my opinion, Ukraine deserves to be in NATO maybe if not 100000 times more than Greece, France, Hungary and to be honest also Turkey.
It will be nice to have a member who actually has a serious military. Well over half of NATO is a liability not an asset.
Why do you think a liability, even when countries that aren't spending a lot are adding extra military forces not taking away and everyone pays a share of the NATO budget.
@@davidhouseman4328 I respectfully disagree. Some of these countries bring almost nothing to the table. That’s not worth article 5 in my opinion.
@@Hillrunner768 there are certainly some countries like Luxembourg who contribution is next to nothing but the risk there is also next nothing. And that isn't over half of countries.
if they're obliged to let you fight on their land, they're an asset
@@davidhouseman4328 re-occupying Luxembourg is like send in an especially fat person and get them to sit on the guy who's occupying...
Honestly Finland and Sweden can defeat Russia. Finland alone can withstand any military invasion by the Orcs.
And that's why both ran under US skirt?
@@facundoveraglio4523 Guarantees no future invasion Why fight and lose lives when you don't have to. Play chess not checkers.
@@parmanduke Yeah, sure.
@@facundoveraglio4523 your country is also under the US skirt 😂🤦🏻♂️
@@facundoveraglio4523 You need to use your brain and google The winter war and how Russia got fu**ed in the ass by Finland, Russia lost 7 soldiers to 1 Finn
Finland❤️ Ukraine Now we are lifelong friends.
They do? Is this a new thing, or has it been brewing under that table awhile?
The country where I would like to be
Rakastan Suomea erittäin kauniina maana ja ihmisiä vielä enemmän
I see what you did there
Pony trekking or camping or just watch tv
You will flee when you hear how much taxes we pay here.
@@tonipolkki4728 Actually the other Nordic countries have higher taxation.
Cool! Thanks!
The Finn's gave Russia a lesson last time. They are, like the Ukrainians from Viking stock and fight like Hell....not all British think they are untrained conscripts with junk military hardware. Those that do are ignorant to history and u apologize for them. The Finn's and Swedes are a welcome addition as far as I'm concerned.
I think you need to read a little more history , finland sign a netural aggreemnet if they break by part of nato then they have delcear war with russia . West and nato knows this yet they push these country to part of nato . Russia warn they will use nuclear weapons . I hope live in the far west
Finnish people are not from viking stock, lol. They are a Finno-Ugric people, while the "vikings" would be us Scandinavians, who are Germanic peoples. Us and the Finns are not even remotely related.
I think ukrainian are way more tougher than than the fins. And ukraine had been preparing for this war since 2014. Finland in its current state is not even half of what ukraine is...
@@NorwegianNationalist1 600 years being the same country as sweden.. i think the genes of the vikings and us are mixed well enough, eventho we dont speak the same language.
@@villevirtanen5539 No, your genes are not mixed at all, as stated in multiple genetic studies, you just shared a monarch.
Finland didnt fight USSR when we gained our independence. Lenin agreed to give Finland its independence in 1917 thinking that we would fold back in to USSR after their civil war. Finland did have a civil war of its own in 1918 where reds (communists) with some russian volunteers and whites (legal government) with a little help from germans fought each other. After the war, volunteers went to estonia and karelia to fight for their independence in what we call heimosodat (tribalwars- or kinshipwars). During peace time our defence forces consists of 20 000 professional soldiers and officers, but our war time army strength is 280 000. Finland also has 900 000 reservists who have completed their conscription.
turboripuli means turbo diarrhea :DD
Thanks for the info dump. 👍🏻
Eiköhän tuo ollu Putinin Perseen. Mutta ajattele mitä panet nettiin..Kiitos.
In other words, Finland is serious contender in the security sector.
we will be the frontier where the fighting is propably going to happen :(
Welcome Finland! Welcome.
It would be an honor to have Finland and Sweden join Nato. Strong/beautiful people. 🇺🇸🇫🇮🇸🇪
Ita always good to have more vikings on your side!
@Hulio El Julio even better then ;-))
Greetings from Poland to Finland!!
also finland has a order for 65 f-35 american fighter jets for 10billion dollars
The reserve is something like 900k
And if you count the reservist to that, Finland can get around 1,1 million men and women equipped to fight in a war, thats 20% of the whole population.
China spits out 1.1 million men and women for breakfast. Hope they don't help Russia in this.
Incorrect.
That 900,000 includes all the military trained reservists - also the war time strength of 280,000.
So the numbers are roughly 280,000 + 620,000 = 900,000.
Its 900k reverses 280k is wartime
Hello from Ukraine
I'd say it's your terrain and climate.
Finland 👍💯✅
Finnish army is badass!!!
They can handle a knife if someone can for sure .
Not true. Finn army is best.
Finland is “kick ass” - meant in the best possible way!!
I ❤️ 🇫🇮
The Russian tanks would not survive being shot by Nokia 3310's armor penetrating capabilities. More turrets will pop into their airforce
LOL! Have to agree, those old Nokia cell phones were indestructible.
I so wish Ireland would make an effort to join NATO even for small 4 million country. No Neutrality anymore , Symbolism is as important as might.
More than anything Albania can offer
Thank to Finnland from Norway and Denmark.
Fins also make excellent boats.
And knifes to
Was I the only one to think when the F-18's were flying he was going to say "Finland has 3 F-18's?" (not squadrons) lol
I thought that too for that split second. Ugh, let's keep that between us tho. SLAVA UKRAINE 🇺🇦 ♥ from 🇺🇸!!
WELL PREPARED
The city in 0:42 does not appear to be in Finland...
Finlands sak är vår sak!!!Alltid!!
Thank you Herr Klintenheim! We may be rivals but man I love you swedes when either of us is threatened.
I believe I read somewhere that Finland was voted Happiest Country" recently...and Bad Asses to boot.
The more that join NATO the merrier!
Nope, NATO is already useless due to too many countries and all of these countries have to agree on everything NATO does... and that is why NATO really does nothing, except demand the USA give them things.
miles :D. How many foots of a king, do you think is Fukkujuu
Considering how inept Russia has shown itself while invading Ukraine, plus how much they lost and are losing, I don't think Russia could invade an outhouse, much less another country after Ukraine. LOL
it can vaporize them in blink of an eye. Ukrainians and Russians are brotherly slavic nations with same culture and trditions
@@igormihov6279 Yeah. Putin's only strength is a nuke. He's got nothing else. His army is weak and he's a blow-hard. Having nukes doesn't make him strong. It makes him dangerous because he might be crazy and self-righteous enough to use them. He might be willing to sacrifice his own people... His own family... As well as the Earth, just to save face. That's not a leader. That's a dangerous lunatic and, to threaten the world with annihilation over his pwn inflated ego, is childish and irresponsible. He's a 510-year-old with his dad's shotgun.
As for them being "brotherly Slavic nations with same culture and traditions", that means nothing if one of them is a greedy, expansionistic child who has proven to be untrustworthy. Putin was so scared that NATO would be on his borders that he caused NATO to be on his borders by invading a peaceful country.
@@igormihov6279 yea right, they thought they were gonna 'vaporise' Ukraine too but now they're proving to just be an embarrassment.
@@Wolfie_96 Russia and Ukraine are brotherly Slavic nations with same culture and traditions, so they didn't went with full force like cyber attack, carpet bombing and etc. in addition , Russians are inflicting far more casualties to Ukrainians who are cut off in east and it is just a matter of time when they will be completely destroyed. Finland, Sweden and the rest are not Slavic countries US and Nato war lost from Talibans in sandals
@@igormihov6279 Nuking finland would not benefit russia. Also you should consider the fact that St. Petersburg is right next to finland
148k active personnel for UK. embarrassing, we used to be so powerful. even in 2000 it was 200k and the only threat were militias. get that military spending up
That’s regular forces though supplemented with the reserves your looking at a total of 180k but still I agree it’s not enough reserves can’t replace regular forces especially in Britain’s case.
I should specify that the peacetime active forces are sized at 21-24k, while the 280k is only the wartime active.
If you look at the state of many EU/NATO members armies then US, UK, France Poland and Turkey are probably the most capable. Many other members neglected their military spendings up until the beginning of the war which changed their views on national safety. Germany alone said it would up their spending by a 100 billion euro's, which is pretty damn insane
@@williamthesilent1849 the €100B for the German military is only a one time cash injection. This isn’t an annual addition.
@@jamie3499 I know, but a 100 billion is quite a lot tho
Great
Prepare for the worse and pray for the best.
its once again 900 000 reservists not 280 000 :D when tf will people realize
This time the news was right. We arm 280
if you cant read the wartime strength is 280 000.
@@burgundy8897 War time strength is 900 000 strong but there are in arms 280k, while in peace time our active reserve is between 250-280k.
@@duhni4551 i know why are you telling me i didnt ask
I knew Finland beat the Soviet Union but I didn't know they were this buff in the modern day lol
Actually finlands military abilities have only grown since continuation war. (While russians have stalled pretty bad :D)
cool
Finland have 870k reservist and about 23k active soldier
Nao existe reservista sem equipamento
why said Erdogan of Turkey that it's a mistake adding Finland and Sweden in NATO ?!
they afraid about Russia reaction regarding this , perhaps, or the policy of Erdogan is half with NATO ,half with Putin ...
Perhaps Turkey could exit NATO and become neutral to see how good and comfy that position is...
@@MSAINT-bn4vj also Ukraine was neutral until 2014 (that is the date when russian started the war in Ukraine, not 2022)
Erdogan also said Turkey does not close the doors from Finland and Sweden. Actually in the other sentence he did not mention Finland, but he mentioned Sweden and Netherlands.
He thinks they are protecting terrorist organisation. He means kurds.
we have Kurds and Turkish people in our country those 2 groups have some hate towards each others that Finland has nothing to do with. But anyway Erdogan already said they will not decline finlands NATO application
Finland also procuring 60 F-35.
64
How many of them are operationally available atm?
@@kohtalainenalias Not delivered yet? Do some research.
SpongeBob: Patrick, are you ok?
Patrick: FINLAND!!!!!!!!!!
You forgot something they also have a secret weapon called sisu.😊
Russia would be crushed by Finland. Russian is having great difficulty with a military ranked 31st in the world, nevermind a military with up to date western training,western/ modernized weapons and a very large Military for the countries smaller population. Russia wouldn't stand a chance,just like they're showing they don't stand a chance vs Ukraine either.
Yeah especially after azovstal fighters evacuated to Disneyland in Siberia.
@@yoichikirigami607 every city in Finland is like Azovstal for the attacker: full of underground shelters and passages making it easy for the defender to move unseen and make ambush attacks.
@@ScaryHairyHarry not debating that it wouldn’t be difficult to fight Finland . But difficult is not the same as impossible. The best thing to do is have a good relationship with your neighbor . I’m sure we both would agree to that .
Finnish reserve is 900 000
Wartime reserve to be used in conflict and to be mobilized within days or weeks is 280 000. The rest is there to reinforce that initial 280 000 if needed.
@@jokemon9547 when needed* Most will be used as helping hands for the fighting forces. Remember head to tail ratio.
Tiedätkö mitä tapahtui, kun Suomen armeija antoi DMT:tä sotilaille tehdäkseen heistä parempia tappajia? Sotilaat kieltäytyivät taistelemasta toisiaan vastaan, koska he kokivat liikaa rakkautta.
Y r u g?
We won’t need “forces “it will be one Big Bang!
We love Skandinavia
Finland is not a part of Scandinavia
@@NorwegianNationalist1 Yeah, it's old boys club.. we weren't invited because we didn't have table manners.. but now we know what the salad fork is, you can let us in.. we promise we will behave (looks at 24 case of beer)...
It is a Nordic country anyway with Sweden, Denmark, Norway, and Iceland.
All of them are members of Nordic council.
There are no differences.
San Marino is better.
Mmm…There’s a slight error in the video. Finland hasn’t been occupied during it’s independence yes, but during 1300-1800’s it’s been occupied many times by Russian and Swedish forces 🙂
True, modern Finland was basically Eastern Sweden for almost 600 years and 100 years an autonomic part of the Tsar Russia.
where did they get that map 0:07 from a museum? Leningrad? Border looks all wrong..
Dont under estimate Finland. Remember Nokia?
Finland needs NATO, NATO needs Finland. Sweden needs NATO and ... ehhmm... well, that's all folks.
The Nordic European countries are warriors, don't mess with them.
280k reserves? What are You talking about? There is 5.5M people, and 75% of them are ready to die for Finland. It's at least 4M
Totta 🤔🤔💪🇫🇮
Studies made what whom would defend their homeland. 74% of the finnish population would defend Finland. While Russia scored only merge 59%.
Having the introduction proclaiming that FInland has never been occupied is a stretch isn't it?
From the conflicts with the Soviet Union during of World War 2 Finland lost 12% of their total land area, 20% of its industrial capacity, its second-largest city, Vyborg (Viipuri), and the ice-free port of Liinakhamari (Liinahamari). Almost the whole Finnish population, some 400,000 people, fled these areas (Wikipedia).
So not only did Finland get occupied (partially), but they actually lost these regions to the Soviet Union.
Worth of note is that these regions didn't only get taken over in the sense of who controls the territory,
but also, in line with how the Soviet operated, was repopulated by Soviet citizens as the regional Finish citizens had to flee.
My understanding is that the Finnish people in general no longer have any interest whatsoever in ever reclaiming these territories as there no longer is anything Finnish about them other than that they once very much were.
I'm not sure you understand what being occupied means. Losing territory is not being occupied, even partly.
we were occupied for 700 years
@@user-ce6iy2nw5o Finland was never an independent country before 1917 so it wasn’t really occupation, we just were a part of Sweden and Russia.
@@luuttaja wrong. Who did they had to crusade against? The major modern peincipalities were completely indeoendent such as finland proper, tavastia and karelia
Finland, since it's independence in 1917, has not been occupied by a foreign invader. It's irrelevant to mention the partial occupation and territories lost to the USSR in WW2, when the USSR never after that occupied the rest of the country like with most of eastern Europe after the war. However, there were concerns that this was going to happen from 1945 onwards, and there were people involved with the military who stockpiled weaponry in secret stashes to arm guerrilla forces to fight a possible occupation from the Soviets. This thankfully never came to pass though. The Finnish capital, Helsinki, is also one of the few European capitals of a country involved in WW2 that was not occupied by a foreign force. So based on this, I don't think it's a stretch at all.
"Finland's military strength explained" Lots of tractors?
430 000 registered tractors actually
@@karhuwaari Hopefully they wont be busy. But good to see the country is ready.
Finland has one of the biggest artillery in the Europe, one of the largest wartime military strength in the Europe with 280,000 personnel (900 000 total reservists), has already signed "the biggest fighter jet deal in Europe in near future" (Lockheed’s F-35 Stealths from the States), one of best countries in the cyber security industry (Finland won even the NATO's biggest cyber defense competition in 2022).
What I'm trying to say: I think they don't need tractors (even though they have been effective against the Russian military :D)
As a former soldier I have deep respect for the Finnish Defense Forces. Motivated, well-trained, smart... I worked/trained with them for half a year, so I know. Little bit more pussies than our fighters, but still very good. ;)
The Finnish are force and their standoff weapons even though not large is pretty impressive, if y’all watch one of binkov’s vids on Finland he will explain everything
Binkov's facts are somewhat wrong in the video, though most videos do have them wrong. I mean really, Finland can arm the whole 1300km long border with missile and artillery systems, side by side, just to illustrate what there really is
@@duhni4551 yeah true I mean binkov is not always right, but it does give a good illustration
We should applaud 👏 Mr putin for everything he's done so far, for being best at recruiting new memebers in alliance, 🤣 this guy man this guy
Never been occupied? Finland was part of the Russian Empire (quasi colonized) after being part of the Kingdom of Sweden, then more recently, they were invaded twice by the USSR... And 148 000 km2 of Karelia are still part of USSR then Russia since 1944.
That's correct! Not much research done there! He should have done the 5th grade all over again!
Finland as an independent country has never been occupied.
We were part of Sweden for about 800 years and after that aunonomous part of Russia.
@@Sarmaamy Exactly!
Finland as a country didn't exist before 1917.
Finland didn't exist then, nor did it during Swedish rule, Finland as a nation became later. So you are wrong.
We were invaded but not occupied, not in winter war nor during continuation war, that is a fact, our capital was one of the few that didn't face enemy forces during WWII, even Russia had that, but we didn't as our defensive lines held to the end of the war.
Yes, the peace treaty dictated that we loose part of Karelia, but it had nothing to do with the lines dranw in war. Most of the war between us took place in Russia, not in Finland. Also that land mass was only 10% of our land, not so much.
But sure, if you feel brave enough, feel free to come here and test us, this time we have army, back then we didn't.
In WW2 Russia had 10-30 times more troops, tanks, artillery and airplanes, than Finland.
They could not take Finland. They tried in 1939 and 1944, and could only advance few tens of kilometers at max.
After WW2 Stalin could have tried again anytime, but he did not try anymore, because he knew how bad it went in WW2..
In Finnish front, over 1 million dead or wounded Russians between 1939 and 1944.
That was same amount as Soviet losses in Stalingrad - against small Finland.
“Oven-ready”?!? Probably best to banish that phrase.
Probably under orders to use it as often as possible?
@@ThaiSoup39 No, they were stupidly or unwittingly (not sure which) comparing it with the success of Johnson’s Brexit deal … because that’s going well for … nobody in particular.
So if Finland joins NATO will they finally move away from AK pattern rifles or keep their RKs?
Finland will move away from AK-pattern, but not because of Nato. The current platform and the old 7.62x39 ammunition are coming to the end of their service life. The procurement for new rifle is already on the way. It began before the crisis in Ukraine. It will most likely be a Sako-produced AR-pattern weapon in 5.56 or 7.62 Nato. There has already been some "leaked" pictures of new weapons. They are planned to enter service after 2025.
@@qelleri Really? *Happy Reservist Squeal* And hopefully Sako can get their assault rifle groove back, after being killed by Chinese and E.German purchases.
@@shootmcrunfast 😄yes.. You sould check who start made those and where is main office and manufactors.. Italy buy it 2000😉
Thank you Putin for Uniting NATO, Putin is the best recruiter for NATO ever in it's history, Trump divided NATO and Putin United NATO, keep threating more countries Putin and maybe more countries will join NATO.
Finland got it's independence from Russian Empire of tsar 1917. Finland was never a part of Soviet union.
Technically Finland declared independence from "Russian republic" proclaimed by the Russian Provisional Government 1st of september 1917. The tsar abdicated in march of 1917. But yes Finland wasn't part of the USSR(or Russian Soviet Republic, as it was known before the actual founding of USSR, after blosheviks won the Russian civil war).
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Never occupied except the large part of its history under Sweden and following that by the Russian Empire.
Russia didnt occupy Finland
I think they meant after they gained independence from the russian empire a century ago
Hmmm ... Finland was never 'occupied' by Sweden. The South-West areas of Finland were integrally involved in the overall historical process that ended in the a political entity that was called Kingdom of Sweden. That means the subjects of the Crown o the 'Finnish' side of the Gulf of Bothnia had exactly the same obligations and rights as the folks on the 'Swedish' side.
BTW I don't claim that all this happened totally peacefully and that the situation of the peasantry was always not anything to envy. But that this all applies both to the 'Swedish' and 'Finnish' sides of the realm.
However they were quite obviously talking about the time after the declaration of the independence.
@@emmanuelknight8974 1808 to 1917?
@@CommonWealthSnow probably, which is nothing like never.
"Never been occupied". I'm sorry what kind of history have you been reading? What about the Grand Duchy of Finland under the Russians and Swedish Finland?
Grand duchy of Finland was not nation back then, so technically he is right.
Well, I think it is fair to argue Finland as a concept didn't really exist during Swedish rule and the idea only truly sparked after a while under the Autonomy.
Finland didn't exist before 1917, please crack a history book open yourself once in a while. The Finnic tribes of course have been living here thousands of years.
Independent nation called Finland has never been occupied.
In this video! Finnish border look so good!!!!
who else is here after Finland joined NATO?
“Never been occupied”??? Pretty sure a fair slice was occupied/ taken by the USSR after the Winter War.
they meant "never occupied" more as in the government and independence of finland was preserved, they did lose fairly significant chunks of land following the winter war but the country of finland still existed, independent from moscow
this of course does not take into account the fact finland wasn't an independent nation for most of its history, but in the context of the video they're talking about the post-1918 modern nation of finland
Finland wasn't occupied by the USSR, they signed the armstice because the Soviets wanted the peace as much as the Finns did because their losses were too high (Stalin's officers promised Finland to Stalin and Stalin even decided the new government "Kuusinen" but it never happened). The Finns won almost all of the battles but techincally lost the war because Stalin wanted to be the winner. Finland was never part of the Soviet Union like the Baltics did (the only country in the Stalin's group he got in the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact but never got). The Winter War was one of the reasons why Hitler launched the Operation Barbarossa because he thought the Soviet Union is weak because the had so hard time with the Finns.
@@Niko-zu7mj Yes I’m aware of the history. Finnish territory was occupied / ceded to the Soviet Union.
@@whya2ndaccount No, occupation is not the right word: "Finland was one of the few non-neutral countries in Europe (in addition to Britain and the USSR) not to have been occupied during the war and to have retained its constitutional and political system." (Source: Max Jakobson "Substance and Appearance: Finland," Foreign Affairs (Summer 1980), pp. 1035, 1039. Roy Allison "Finland's Relations with the Soviet Union", 1944-84, (New York: St Martin's, 1985) pp. 1314. Arthur Spencer, "Finland Maintains Democracy," Foreign Affairs (Jan. 1953), p. 301.
You're confusing to Moscow Peace Treaty which was not occupation, it was agreement between Finland and the Soviet Union). The Soviet Union's own documents says they wanted to get whole Finland and even the new government was chosen "Kuusinen". You can also watch the Winter war documentary made in Russia with their veterans (Зимняя война / Bair Irincheev), it says Stalin needed to get the peace as much as the Finns did because the losses were too high.
finland may not have a strong military on their own but togheter with their allies they are unstoppable
yep Finland did indeed fight the soviet union for few years after its independence, not in too large scale but its called heimosodat.
And now they a part of NATO 🎉🇬🇧❤️🇫🇮
Nokia needs to make weapons now
Nokia has made artillery computers and military communication devices as well.
@@vksasdgaming9472 wow I didnt knoow that. I want Nokia to be the company it used to be.
Are u from finland?
Nokia 3110 phones can be used to destroy tanks :)
Nokia made the best nuke there is long time ago, 3110 =)
@@bryananofa7165 Yep, a Finn. Nokia has made lots of electronic equipment for FDF. Not aware how much though.
And Fins are cool 😎
I’m joining the jaeger brigades free jargermeister shots!! 👍
Finland doesn't need NATO for it's defense.
We got that covered by ourselves.
This whole "joining NATO" business has nothing to do with defense but with integration politics to wider power politics at the expense of national independence.
The war in Ukraine is just an excuse for moves the politicians (regardless of their stated opinions) have sought after for decades.
these wars are also affecting Finnish economy. Nobody will invest here if Russia is so big threat. So NATO is must in that way also-.