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Knock-Out Commander Fight | Extra Turns 09 | Magic: The Gathering Commander EDH Gameplay
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Show Notes:
The Command Zone team takes over the table! Ladee Danger, Jake Boss, Josh “Murph” Murphy, and Manson Leung roll out their own personal decks for another no-holds-barred Commander battle.
It’s Mayael vs. Tahngarth vs. O-Kagachi vs. Zada
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Everyone: "That Steam-Kin did a lot of work here!"
Ruby Medallion, that reduced the cost of every spell Manson cast: "Am I a joke to you?"
Yeah that medallion made most of those spells free combo'd with steamkin
I mean, could that board have been any more primed for a strong finish?
Zero interaction was the doom of the table. Big oofs
@@ty_sylicus it's because everyone played red and if you look they were all tapped out during his turn
I played Boros Zada for fun in standard when it came out… jeeeeezusssss that was dirty and I used to win on turn 3-4 with swiftspear, the 2/2 lifelink prowess, pump spells and zada.
Lol.,
Everyone: playing red
Jimmy: *begins breathing heavily*
Red deck wins!!
more like Jimmy: hold my beer
I was half expecting a Infinite damage combo
Good thing this was recorded on January not November
Shout out to the editor. The cuts on the deck searches are so smooth.
Some of them are in this video!
I want that deck 😍😍
yeah I was like "man these people suspiciously find their cards qu- OH"
Think it has such good production cause the editors are the ones playing this round?
@@TLG1255 I mean I think their production values are always great this is just the first time I personally have noticed this particular aspect.
Here's the rundown for Manson's last turn:
Draws 1 card for turn
Draws 7 cards with the first Accelerate
Draws 9 cards with the second Accelerate
Draws 9 cards with Boiling Blood
Draws 19 cards with Valakut Awakening
Draws 11 cards with Fist of Flame
Fist of Flame: Creature gets +1/+0 for each card drawn this turn (Applied to all creatures because of Zada). 1+7+9+9+19+11=56 so Manson's creatures get +56/+0.
Edit: HUGE thank you to Michael Ward for the correction on the Fist of Flames damage. Mason would do an additional 63 damage due to how the card works. He would draw a card and a "Target creature gets +1/+0 for each card drawn this turn" trigger would resolve and that would repeat for each copy, so each consecutive resolution of Fist of Flames is including one extra card drawn in the +1/+0 calculation. For optimal usage the Fist of Flames triggers would resolve on the Torbran and the Siege-Gang Commander first and second (because they have summoning sickness) so those two would get a +1 and +2 more power respectively. The attacking creatures would get +3 power up to +11 power as listed below.
Marton Stromgald: Attacking creatures get +1/+1 for each other attacking creature besides Martin Stromgald. Manson attacked with 8 other creatures besides Marton Stromgald so all of Manson's attacking creatures besides Marton Stromgald get +8/+8. Overall Manson attacked with:
Before Additional Power After Additional Power
Four 1/1 Goblin tokens -> Four 65/9 Goblin Tokens +3, +4, +5, +6 from Fist of Flames triggers = One 68/9 goblin token, one 69/9 goblin token, one 70/9 goblin token, and one 71/9 goblin token
A 4/4 Goblin Dark-Dwellers -> 68/12 Goblin Dark-Dwellers +7 from FoF triggers = 75/12 Goblin Dark-Dwellers
A 3/3 Runaway Steamkin -> 67/11 Runaway Steamkin +8 from FoF triggers = 75/11 Runaway Steamkin
A 1/1 Iron Myr -> 65/9 Iron Myr +9 from FoF triggers = 74/9 Iron Myr
A 3/3 Zada, Hedron Grinder -> 67/11 Zada, Hedron Grinder +11 from FoF triggers = 78/11 Zada, Hedron Grinder (Fist of Flames has to be cast on Zada to get copied so this Fist of Flames is the last to resolve)
A 1/1 Marton Stromgald -> 57/1 Marton Stromgald +10 from FoF triggers = 67/12 Marton Stromgald
I'm guessing Manson would've swung 3 monsters at each opponent from left to right, meaning he would swing at: Ladee Danger for 207 damage, Jake for 221 damage, and Murph for 219 damage.
BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE!
Manson also had a Torbran, Thane of Red Fell on the field so each red source deals +2 damage so the NEW math is:
Ladee Danger took +2 damage for each of the three red Goblin tokens so 207 + 6 = 213 total damage
Jake took +2 damage for the red Goblin token, +2 damage for the Goblin Dark-Dwellers, and +2 for the Runaway Steamkin, so 221 + 6 = 227 total damage
Murph took +2 for the Zada, Hedron Grinder and +2 for the Marton Stromgald, so 219 + 4 = 223 total damage
Lastly, Manson used his Siege-Gang Commander to sacrifice 3 RED Goblin tokens. They dealt 2 damage each but were boosted by Torbran for an additional 2 damage, so 12 damage total to creatures.
Manson dealt a WHOPPING 675 damage in one turn (12 damage to creatures and 663 to opponents) which I believe is an all time record for not just Extra Turns, but all of Game Knights Commander history.
Game Knights if you see this, you should make a shirt with either a 675 on the front (where a pocket tee would go) and Manson's decklist on the back OR a shirt in the style of a bench press club shirt with Manson's 675 on it (search '300 pound bench press club shirt' to see what I mean).
Wow. Thanks for the breakdown lol
THANK YOU
I feel like i suck at math now
Thanks for the extensive breakdown and excellent job Manson; he was humble about his victory which is respectable.
was very curious about all those trigger resolutions, thanks for doin such a comprehensive breakdown
"Play a mountain, pass"
"Play a mountain and pass to you, Jake"
"Play a mountain as well, and pass"
"Play a Flooded Strand"
YOU HAD ONE JOB
I would have been upset if it was instead someone not participating in a full round swampass.
I thought so too but the land he cracked the flooded strand for technically had mountain as one of its land types
@@tiffanderson1733 True
I lowkey really love the idea of the "Command Zone Cast" heading up Extra Turns in general, with Jimmy and Josh still functioning as hosts for primary episodes of "The Command Zone" while still appearing on ET as guests sometimes. Letting the larger cast/team run more of the Extra Turns content will lead to a wider variety of players and decks in general (which is always fun), and allows us get to know the larger crew better. Don't get me wrong, it's great to see Jimmy and Josh, but I hope there are more episodes like this in the future!
EDIT: bad grammar & spelling
EDIT 2: Holy crap, Manson....
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Agreed on all points
I do not agree
also jimmy and josh can take vacations or focus on other projects, i just love seeing games like these, it makes my life a little better!
I agree completely
Zada deck: draws 20+ cards in one turn
Josh: *breathing heavy*
He's not the only one. I run dimir and have to cast Peer into the abyss on myself to be able to do that and hope I draw thought vessel, spellbook, etc. :)
*heavy breath* valuuuee
Manson turn 2: misses land drop, "I was greedy."
Manson, end of game, only 3 mountains on the battlefield. "I need more red."
when its 20 minutes you know its zada
edit: Thank you Daniel Gordon for the time check.
red go zoom
@@3kojimbles895 more like "Red mana go brrrr"
After ads intros and outros its only 20 minutes
@@Yamipaladin more like “red mana go brrrn”
Everyone: nooo u can't destroy us and making this a short game we want more explosive turns
Manson: haha zada buff go brrrrrr
Manson told Josh and Jimmy “hey don’t come to extra turns tomorrow” and sent them a pic of zada
Some of you guys are alright...
Kudos to whoever did the math for manson's last turn.
Here's the rundown for Manson's last turn:
Draws 1 card for turn
Draws 7 cards with the first Accelerate
Draws 9 cards with the second Accelerate
Draws 9 cards with Boiling Blood
Draws 19 cards with Valakut Awakening
Draws 11 cards with Fist of Flame
Fist of Flame: Creature gets +1/+0 for each card drawn this turn (Applied to all creatures because of Zada). 1+7+9+9+19+11=56 so Manson's creatures get +56/+0
Marton Stromgald: Attacking creatures get +1/+1 for each other attacking creature besides Martin Stromgald. Manson attacked with 8 other creatures besides Marton Stromgald so all of Manson's attacking creatures besides Marton Stromgald get +8/+8. Overall Manson attacked with:
Before Additional Power After Additional Power
Four 1/1 Goblin tokens -> Four 65/9 Goblin Tokens
A 4/4 Goblin Dark-Dwellers -> 68/12 Goblin Dark-Dwellers
A 3/3 Runaway Steamkin -> 67/11 Runaway Steamkin
A 1/1 Iron Myr -> 65/9 Iron Myr
A 3/3 Zada, Hedron Grinder -> 67/11 Zada, Hedron Grinder
A 1/1 Marton Stromgald -> 57/1 Marton Stromgald
I'm guessing Manson would've swung 3 monsters at each opponent from left to right, meaning he would swing at: Ladee Danger for 195 damage, Jake for 200 damage, and Murph for 189 damage.
BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE!
Manson also had a Torbran, Thane of Red Fell on the field so each red source deals +2 damage so the NEW math is:
Ladee Danger took +2 damage for each of the three red Goblin tokens so 195 + 6 = 201 total damage
Jake took +2 damage for the red Goblin token, +2 damage for the Goblin Dark-Dwellers, and +2 for the Runaway Steamkin, so 200 + 6 = 206 total damage
Murph took +2 for the Zada, Hedron Grinder and +2 for the Marton Stromgald, so 189 + 4 = 193 total damage
Lastly, Manson used his Siege-Gang Commander to sacrifice 3 RED Goblin tokens. They dealt 2 damage each but were boosted by Torbran for an additional 2 damage, so 12 damage total to creatures.
Manson dealt a WHOPPING 612 damage in one turn (12 damage to creatures and 600 to opponents) which I believe is an all time record for not just Extra Turns, but all of Game Knights Commander history.
Game Knights if you see this, you should make a shirt with either a 612 on the front (where a pocket tee would go) and Manson's decklist on the back OR a shirt in the style of a bench press club shirt with Manson's 612 on it (search '300 pound bench press club shirt' to see what I mean).
@@TheRameNinja dude don't post this as a reply, put it as comment and let the community see
@@RobMedellin haha, don’t worry, I did both. Manson replied to my comment so I’m like, ecstatic he saw it!
@@TheRameNinja I think everything here is right except for the fist of flames math - since each fist of flames copy draws an additional card, each consecutive resolution will give an additional +1 power boost.
So assuming optimal usage, the siege-gang and torbran would get +1 and +2 power. Then the swinging creatures would get +3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11, resulting in an additional 63 collective damage.
@@mk24789 Thanks! I realized that a few days after I commented, but I’ve been busy so I didn’t get the chance to edit it yet. But also, the original Fist of Flames has to target Zada in order for it to get copied, so Zada has to get the +1, while Torbran and Siege-gang get +2 and +3 so it’s still 1+4+5+6+7+8+9+10+11=61 more damage.
Chaos Warp into a ten drop creature *panic*
It's Myojin of Seeing Winds *calm*
/Mispronounces myojin/ Definitely not calm here at home :-/
@@techoutsider5631 man your day must be ruined huh
Chaos warp targets yours permanent *panic*
You hit a 10 mana spell *calm*
It doesn’t do anything *panic*
Jimmy’s mono red land curse has been passed on!
Zada is definitely a kill on sight commander.
Zada runs very little lands as cantrips are way more important ;) As the average CMC of a Zada deck is two.
@@ecos889 Yup, i have 33 lands in mine and maybe encounter mana issues (not having enough) 1 in every 7 games or something, I more often flood than not enough
He might have been sandbagging a land, to appear less threatening while knowing it wouldn't trip up his sequencing.
I love how Manson went from missing land drops to swinging for like 300+ damage. Zada's great lmao
Red is notorious for bad card draw and ramp. The fact a mono red deck managed to out value 3 decks all with atleast green or blue shows that 1. Zada is busted. And 2. Manson is a pretty good deck builder.
@@paintedhorse6880 Zada isn't busted at all, people just let him keep Zada and another creatures.
Well, the time that red was lacking on ramp and card advantage is gone. There r a lot of 2 CMC mana rocks for commander and red earned treasures, impulsive draws and weird tutoring. We just need to see the new printed card Magda, Brazen Outlaw, for example
@@jacket2848 If you have to remove a commander every turn to stop them from winning instantly it's busted.
@@robertocampelo5140 If we're being pedantic, the density of sub-three-mana rocks/dorks has been sufficiently high to enable aggressive ramp in every color identity for the last decade. For whatever reason, people only just recently tuned in.
It’s such a shame the mayael deck wasn’t able to play any fatties
First the Atla Palani deck, now Mayael
@@diSTUD013 I have an Atla deck, and unfortunately that happens a lot. In faster metas, it can be really hard to get going before someone else combos off
Mayael is a classic, member of the old guard, but she is so outclassed now.
@@ColorwaveCraftsCo I just built an Atla Palani deck not that long ago and haven't been able to play it yet bc of the pandemic so that's good to know!
I'd be interested in seeing your decklist
those trash guys, hey, ur ramping, ima attack you
hey, u casted an enchantment, going to attack you
hey, ur breathing , going to attack you
I really love how the budget deck at the table wiped the battlefield with it's opponents.
Ladee's hair and makeup is always so cool, she looks like a guild leader for the golgari swarm! Also goblins are always insane!
Everyone: Jimmy's not here.
Manson: Hold my beer, I have Jimmy's....
Pretty sure Ladee has been slowly ascending into some sort of Swamp Witch over the last few videos and I'm here for it.
That said, if I get turned into a newt or a toad after saying this, I'll know why.
"This is my commandarth, Tahngarth"
I feel like this was a battle to get the best office chair and took the opportunity to film it so they can have a record of it.
Omg, they should battle for vacation days!
@@jonlamoreaux1889 As long as they don't go to Brazil. Sir Integra was quite insistent they never visit Brazil.
They’re taking the police girl and the Frenchman
@@danielyarsky6128 The big tiddied police girl?
lmao tfs
Manson is clearly a cultured individual given his deck choice.
Extra turns might as well be the ladee danger show and I love watching her play.
What a pleasant surprise. I was looking forward to the Kaldheim one in a couple of weeks, but this is great!
We will get it anyway very soon I think:)
“I heard that guy already watched the episode”
-The Joker, to Batman (2003)
Ladee Danger was on fire with those puns. Great job team
I'm a simple man. I see a deck with a Minotaur Commander, I give a like.
I will also add this to it:
I'm a simple man. I see Ladee Danger, I give a like.
I’m a simple person. I see something from Kamigawa, i give a like
Normally I'm really against contents creators watering down there channel with content without the hosts. But I'm not worried on this channel, the talent pool is so deep. I watched Danger before she was on this channel, and Murph is quickly becoming a favorite. Just one request more Craig please. Mr. Infect brings a certain evil energy this channel is otherwise missing.
It is now proven that all gruul creatures sound like Ruic Thar, sounds by Jake.
I'm glad to see Murph getting to play on camera! It was nice to see him after only hearing about him for nearly two years! It's hard to believe how long It's been since this channel started! I'm so proud of you guys and how far you've come! You've come a long way!
Manson playing the deck i always wanted to play.
I have this deck, it`s a lot of fun
I played against that deck, it's never fun
Its fun and relatively cheap
Zada can win out of nowhere.
I play the pauper commander version of the deck, and it loses a bit of power/consistency but still almost always kills the turn after Zada comes down if it sticks around.
"Oh boy, a Mayael deck. Can't wait to see the fun stuff she plays."
Murph: Hold my Zada.
missed chance for Jake to call Murph “Marph”
Really liked his commandarth though
One of my favorite characters in smash
@@calebpark3411 🤣🤣🤣
now this is getting out of hand...
Cool that you guys are not in this one, I think it would be cool if your team lead the extra turns series for some variety and we love your team members they are awesome!!
One of the most watchable MTG Commander games ever - quick and to the point - with no salt - WELL DONE MANSON!!
Seeing Manson play Márton is so cool, márton is such an underrated card and I have a commander deck for him and it’s amazing
I sing Rhythm of the Night literally every single time I play that card! My day is now complete, Jake!
LOL Me too :P
That new Birgi card will be insane in Manson’s deck, holy heck!
Props to the editors making this game visually digestable and smooth to watch
"It's all Ogre now..." (not lying though I'm totally going to steal that one)
I had never seen a Zada deck in action. Now I want to build one.
This is like when your friends are playing checkers, but you sitting over there playing 4D chess
Sees Manson is playing: He's winning.
Sees Zada as his general: He's winning.
Gee, what a surprise?
@Ninja Named Bob But unlike feather, Zada can be easily removed cuz monored
@Ninja Named Bob If you can win in Commander with mono-red I think that deserves some props, regardless of the Commander.
Is this implying zada is some sort of top tier commander
@@codefive6480 no, just saying that it's super easy to storm off with her.
Manson *Sad honking when Looter Scooter dies*
Also Manson "So, I win now"
Every time lady danger shows up she gets more dangerous each time
Jimmy and Josh sure do look different in this one.
Shortest episode ever. The ads felt longer than the game itself! Great job Manson!
Wow, as someone new to magic I am excited to try out this single-player mode!
The one time everyone is playing red at the table is when Jimmy isn’t here!
That Runaway Steam-Kin was very appropriate, because Manson "Ran away" with that game like a steam train.
i love manson, he's so funny
Edit: Rules-wise, Fist of Flame checks upon resolution, so each consecutive resolving Fist of Flame target gets an additional +1 power over the previous. Say if you had 3 creatures including Zada, and your only spell is Fist of Flame, your first target gets +1/+0, the second gets +2/+0, and the third gets +3/+0. Not that it REALLY mattered that turn... xD
I really love watching decks of this higher power level. Excited to see more extra turns.
Man I was rly lookin forward to Tangarth and Mayael slugging it out, especially mayael who I've always wanted to build but then Zada exists...
Honestly as much as I love jimmy, good to see them out and let the crew go. It was really refreshing.
I like that the people behind the camera get some time in front of it. One of the reasons this podcast is on my top 5
My friend has Martin as his commander. This video triggered so many painful memories.
I see Ladee Danger, I click.
sameeeeeeee
Aaahhh yes, Magic the gathering. My favorite single player game.
I have always loved the guests y'all get for game knights// extra turns but the whole command zone crew has a lot of fun personalities. Super stoked to see this game.
You guys don’t know how much I look forward to these videos :):):)
As much as I enjoy jimmy and josh, having a full set of fresh players was a treat!
As a Mayael player, this is the reason why I play a lot of early game stax... a deafening silence or an archon of emeria would have stopped that zada in his tracks :'(
Yeah, she really needs those pieces in order to get the time to start putting out big baddies! Whiffing with her is soo painful aswell. I don't play my Mayael anymore because even though she sounds fun on paper, the cost of the ability and the big chance of whiffing makes for some really boring turns with her.
@@simonnice9030 yes, she was my very first commander and i will keep playing her for sentimental reasons... but when she whiffs, omg the hate love relationship i have with her 🤣
I have no idea why, but even though I haven't played MTG yet, I still enjoy your content. Thank you for the work you do 😊
I love how I got the hedron grinder commander quarters video, as well as the extra turns with him in it right next to each other in the recommendations for this video.
"Red decks don't have enough draw power"
.....still true statement but holy hell......
"Sometimes someone just gets a really good draw" after drawing 55 cards in a turn itd be hard not to draw what you need
And now I'm sitting here all 'man it would be nice to see the other three decks come back and get to play'. It was nice seeing things go off, but I was excited to see everyone's decks play for a bit.
i like the faster pace of extra turns, but i still really like the slower pace, explanations, and bantering in game knights
so something i learned with this episode, cause i am relativly new to magic : is that zada is busted
Zara is great. Very powerful and cheap to build. Always give Zada respect, even "budget" builds.
Jup. The downside is that he is still pretty vulnerable to interaction. Removing the commander really hurts the deck
Zada is fair compared to the shit I see on cEDH decklists...
@@randommindz6782 Imagine comparing dEDH to what people actually play
@@randommindz6782 it's not even the same game really
Murphy’s face in the thumbnail😂
pog
Poggers!
Dude Manson has single handedly reignited my want to build more decks. That's 2 episodes in a row that he has delivered really interesting and powerful decks to the show and on somewhat of a budget.
Nothing like watching one player play with themselves for half the game. SO exciting . . .
You guy must have really needed a video
This right after an episode of the yugioh progression series? Talk about a great day
Love the Zada representation! (Don't sleep on mono-red storm, folks!)
The new red God will power up her even further
I've never seen a turn like that before (playgroup doesn't go in for combo stuff much) and that was wild. Thanks for the great fun video
I actually did the math, and I know that it doesn't matter, but the +1/+0's from Fists of Flame was +39/+0, so the totalled buffs to Manson's creatures would've been +47/+8..
Can U guys please do a another cube with Brandon Sanderson
Ladee's hair is sooooo pretty this episode
Yeah, she's a total superstar
Looks pretty but rotten to the core, burn the witch!
As a Zada player myself, I find this an accurate representation.
Also as a regular viewer, I'm glad to see older and less popular commanders getting their chance.
I like this group’s dynamic. More of this playgroup for Extra Turns please!
You should do an extra turns where everyone plays a super toxic deck (hardcore stax, infect, etc)
Ladee Danger: Let's smash!
Everyone: *breathing heavily*
"Phrasing!"
This was a drag to experience for my gaming tastes
that ending was, filthy, FILTHY
in all the best ways!
Jake is my new personal hero!
Same
@@joshmurphy484 I found his presence grating and his glasses don't complement his face shape at all. Maybe that was in an effort to make himself seem smarter but to me, it isn't landing. I think he should really either clean up the beard or fully commit to a mustache. All things considered, I'd still give him a 10/10.
Manson even missed his land drops twice, and still kicked ass.
He kept Steam Kin and Ruby. He knew what he was doing.
Super fun round! Thanks for the good vibes and fun gameplay. Love ya!
Unrelated to the gameplay, but shoutout to hiring these people as your crew. They seem like good people who can also pump out great work and content. You did good.
More extra turns please!!
Just going to have Ashlen saying "Buyraycon.com/extra" stuck in my head all day
That editing magic at 19:45... steam kin creeping across the table
Well, Ladee really tempted fate commenting on Manson's early mana screw.
TELL ME ABOUT IT
Now that's what a game of commander looks like.
So boring the last minutes, because 0 interaction
@@NightfallTH Some games are like that. Everyone had single target removal and wraths in their lists, but sometimes people just don't draw them and one player is able to get ahead and finish the game out.
@@Junk-Troller sorry, I watched way too much "Playing with Power" recently ;D
Ok, Lady Danger saying “Lets Smash” is just not fair
Um yes please!!! 😉
Bonk.
dudes who are down bad
I love how Ladee played that enchantment and just attracted so much hate for it without even getting to do anything with it
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Love how much work went into that somewhat early win. It could have felt a lot cheaper than it did. Would love to see more games with Manson in them!
Ok i've never played against zada. That looked insane. holy cow.
i have a friend who plays Zada, this always happens.
No control decks unfortunately
I have and learned that Zada is kill on sight or die the next turn.
I have a Zada deck. The game either goes like this or zada gets countered/destroyed the instant she’s on the battlefield. If there’s no Zada then the deck falls flat
Did anybody notice that the most used word in this video is "nice"? :-)
Nice.
Thanks for the inspiration! Realized the potential of Tahngarth, First Mate in my Marisi, Breaker of the Coil deck that is equipment themed. Sword of Fire and Ice every turn...yes please.
I really liked that this wasn't all about new commanders and sets for a change. Don't get me wrong, I like that stuff too, but there's been such a steady release of new sets that it seems like every episode is all about showing off new commanders. I like seeing old commanders facing off again.