I bought the NASB ultrathin reference bible burgundy genuine leather around a year ago. Gonna order this one tomorrow. P.S: I am Lebanese living in Lebanon. This is how great the NASB is !! 😍😍
I hope you enjoy this one, miled. By the way, I'm concerned for the Christians in the Middle East. Keep safe. I realize Lebanon isn't Syria, but I'll pray for you anyway!
I've just received the 2018 printing of the 863W (Leathertex ed'n) and the show-through issue (10:43) doesn't seem as severe. I bought this Bible on the basis of your review and I'm very pleased with it. I'll have it on my desk as reference-use only, so I wasn't too worried about the cover type. Thank you for the work you put in to your reviews.
Alan - that's good to hear. The edition I have is troublesome to say the least. I'm glad Lockman improved the paper opacity. Other publishers, such as Nelson and Crossway, are producing relatively high-quality Bibles at reasonable prices these days. It will be interesting to see if Lockman steps up its quality when the NASB update comes out (reportedly next year).
@@scotte2213 - I used to follow the Lockman Foundation on Facebook closely, and I saw a number of posts from them that quoted the update. Based on those, I think you express a legitimate concern. I do intend to review it when it comes out. I may do an "NASB vs NASB" translation review. I'm also very interested in the new Zondervan Comfort Print editions of the 1995 NASB. (The single-column reference in goatskin is supposed to be available in February 2020, for instance. That has the potential to be an excellent edition.) But I'm not entirely happy with the 1995 NASB. If I were in charge of an NASB revision project, I would begin by reverting to the 1977 edition, update the textual basis (and so restore the so-called Western non-interpolations to the text), move perhaps 80% of the literal readings from the footnotes into the text itself, compare it carefully with the KJV to incorporate as many colorful and pithy words and turns of phrase as possible, capitalize pronouns according to common English practice, replace the phrase "with a view to" (e.g., Ephesians 1.10) with something less awkward, delete "next" from 1 Peter 3.20, delete "away" from 1 Thess 1.9, and replace "His calling and choosing you" in 2 Peter 1.10 with something more literal.
@@scotte2213 - With respect to the gender inclusive pronouns and other constructions, I agree completely. But I stopped paying attention to their update previews a few months ago, so I can't say whether they've become more extreme lately. I'll be happy to give the 2020 update a close look when it finally appears and give my honest reaction, for what it's worth.
Nice Bible! I was given one for our prison outreach. It is in the hands of an incarcerated soul now. I like the Allan NASB Reader better. Very little ghosting and verse by verse makes the readability excellent for preaching or teaching. Thank you for the wonderful and informative reviews. God's best to you sir!
I just got an 863W (2017 printing) in genuine leather, and I don't see the ghosting problem to be as severe as you describe. It is present, but then ghosting is present to some degree in all Bibles. I have no problem reading from my new Bible.
Mike - that's good to hear. The ghosting in mine is indeed severe, but black construction paper behind the page being read seems to help. Thanks for commenting and passing that information along.
I actually prefer the layout of this bible over any of the Cambridge bibles.. I like the references on the outside since they are harder to read it makes it easier to glance at them from time to time, Also I do like that it is black letter and not red letter.. For the money I think these bibles are pretty nice! The only question I have is this- Do you know if the binding is different between the genuine leather and the calf skin? I think the calf skin is around $110.. Thank you for the videos!
I haven't seen the calfskin edition, but based on the reviews I've seen, the calfskin leather seems much more flexible. I have to disagree with you about the placement of the references. My problem with locating the references on the outside is that the Bible text then moves toward the gutter. For older readers, that creates a problem, since we tend to have shallow depths of focus. I would prefer to have God's word on the flat surface of the page and place the references, which are less important and which I use less often, near the gutter. But we're all different with different preferences. Thanks for taking the time to comment!
@@ryandonagan2628 - by the way, I understand that an NASB SCR from Zondervan will be available next February. It will be in goatskin and should have better print and paper than the Lockman editions. www.christianbook.com/nasb-comfort-column-reference-premium-goatskin/9780310451181/pd/45118X
R. Grant Jones ... I have only recently started looking at NASB bibles..is this new one thats coming out from Zondervan going to be a reliable trustworthy translation?
@@sylviafriessen9124 - If you're asking about the Comfort Print edition of the 1995 NASB Zondervan is bringing out in early next year, the answer is yes. The '95 is a very good translation, in my opinion. I may purchase one of the less expensive single-column reference editions to review. But if you're asking about the 2020 revision to the NASB, I don't know whether it will be reliable and trustworthy. Based on what I've seen in Facebook postings from the Lockman Foundation, it will incorporate more gender neutral language (like 'brothers and sisters' for 'brothers'). But I'll have to examine it closely when it's available before I form an opinion.
Thanks for the review. I just bought the Giant Print NASB #1363 (ISBN 978-1581351262) and it was a very happy choice. At least for me, the ghosting is negligible. The references are in the end of the corresponding verse, which may seem strange, but works very well. The only con are the red letters, but I can live with that.
Thanks for the comment. I took a look at that Bible at Christianbook.com. When I've seen other giant print Bibles (14 points!) in stores, my reaction has generally been that the publishers should have used thicker paper. I'm happy to hear that the ghosting is mild. The layout looks good, and I'm pleased to see they included the translation notes at the bottom of the page.
If I get another Schuyler ile send it your way....well unless its a gift from family LOL but yes if I get one some how for my channel I will gladly send it to ya. I'd love to see you review their font layout.😉 The Quentel just didn't grab me much, very nice font and spacing but actually light ink ,but the concordance is horribly small. Yes it shows on camera brother that is horrible ghosting, I noticed the new Nasb lockmans I received were very blue worse than ever esp the SCR.I'D hoped for better from rumors but its worse than my last one was.
I think the Quentel font is the same as in the Canterbury. I have one of those, and I plan to review it in a couple of weeks. (I have my sights set on a hardback, Beeke's Reformation Heritage KJV Study Bible, for next week.) I'm not a big fan of Canterbury font, and I don't like the bottom-of-the-page references. But the Canterbury is well made and very beautiful -- even the calfskin one I have -- and a lot of people seem to like it. On the 2017 blue-paper NASB SCR, I think the ghosting is just one of the problems. The reason the lamp angle is important is that the paper is so reflective: If your reading lamp is set so that the light tends to reflect away from your eyes, the optical shock/confusion caused by the print is reduced. So part of the problem must be the very bright paper causing the reader's pupil to narrow. But why having a more narrow pupil would be an issue, I don't understand. Another problem is the print. That 2010 narrow-margin NASB SCR had considerably bolder characters.
R. Grant Jones I honestly think Lockman is trying to get by tell their update gets finished then they will start actually paying attention LOL We can only hope. I will always love the Nelson end of verse references and verse by verse format in the NKJV. I have an 83 Large Print heritage edition coming soon, it very nice a blessing from a good friend. If ya want me to show something with that one let me know, its going to be a blast to review its my "one" bible. My personal bible adventures are over reviews for now on will probably be give always unless something different I wanna keep comes around.😉Thanks again for your detailed reviews.
Airik -- I'd be mostly interested in whether it uses a smaller font for poetry, like my old wide margin; how bright the red letters are (deep maroon would be good); how bold the characters are; line spacing (Nelson used to be greedy with paper and crammed their lines of print in tight); and whether print darkness varies, and by how much -- as was common back then. ("Back then" seems like yesterday to me. I still think of 1984 as the future.) Also, just for fun, take a look at 1 Peter 3.20, and compare that to your more recent NKJV.
Ill absolutely never understand why they put text in the gutter instead of the notes. Makes absolutely no sense to have the meat and potatoes in the gutter, when you could simply put the references there.
I have this bible. The cover is garbage. Might as well have bonded it feels just like it. Also the print is too light in too many places. The cowhide leather edition is preferable but the same problem with the print would still exist. Good format but the overall quality of the bible is mediocre at best. If it was a semi bold print in the cowhide leather it would be great.
Nice layout and binding. However, Lockman needs to get their act together when it comes to paper quality.
I bought the NASB ultrathin reference bible burgundy genuine leather around a year ago. Gonna order this one tomorrow.
P.S: I am Lebanese living in Lebanon. This is how great the NASB is !! 😍😍
I hope you enjoy this one, miled. By the way, I'm concerned for the Christians in the Middle East. Keep safe. I realize Lebanon isn't Syria, but I'll pray for you anyway!
R. Grant Jones Thank you very much. Much appreciated!! I keep hearing that lots of Syrian refugees are converting to Christianity
I've just received the 2018 printing of the 863W (Leathertex ed'n) and the show-through issue (10:43) doesn't seem as severe. I bought this Bible on the basis of your review and I'm very pleased with it. I'll have it on my desk as reference-use only, so I wasn't too worried about the cover type. Thank you for the work you put in to your reviews.
Alan - that's good to hear. The edition I have is troublesome to say the least. I'm glad Lockman improved the paper opacity. Other publishers, such as Nelson and Crossway, are producing relatively high-quality Bibles at reasonable prices these days. It will be interesting to see if Lockman steps up its quality when the NASB update comes out (reportedly next year).
@@scotte2213 - I used to follow the Lockman Foundation on Facebook closely, and I saw a number of posts from them that quoted the update. Based on those, I think you express a legitimate concern. I do intend to review it when it comes out. I may do an "NASB vs NASB" translation review.
I'm also very interested in the new Zondervan Comfort Print editions of the 1995 NASB. (The single-column reference in goatskin is supposed to be available in February 2020, for instance. That has the potential to be an excellent edition.)
But I'm not entirely happy with the 1995 NASB. If I were in charge of an NASB revision project, I would begin by reverting to the 1977 edition, update the textual basis (and so restore the so-called Western non-interpolations to the text), move perhaps 80% of the literal readings from the footnotes into the text itself, compare it carefully with the KJV to incorporate as many colorful and pithy words and turns of phrase as possible, capitalize pronouns according to common English practice, replace the phrase "with a view to" (e.g., Ephesians 1.10) with something less awkward, delete "next" from 1 Peter 3.20, delete "away" from 1 Thess 1.9, and replace "His calling and choosing you" in 2 Peter 1.10 with something more literal.
@@scotte2213 - With respect to the gender inclusive pronouns and other constructions, I agree completely. But I stopped paying attention to their update previews a few months ago, so I can't say whether they've become more extreme lately. I'll be happy to give the 2020 update a close look when it finally appears and give my honest reaction, for what it's worth.
Nice Bible! I was given one for our prison outreach. It is in the hands of an incarcerated soul now. I like the Allan NASB Reader better. Very little ghosting and verse by verse makes the readability excellent for preaching or teaching. Thank you for the wonderful and informative reviews. God's best to you sir!
I will add that the ghosting was not as bad in the one we had. I don't know why.
I just got an 863W (2017 printing) in genuine leather, and I don't see the ghosting problem to be as severe as you describe. It is present, but then ghosting is present to some degree in all Bibles. I have no problem reading from my new Bible.
Mike - that's good to hear. The ghosting in mine is indeed severe, but black construction paper behind the page being read seems to help. Thanks for commenting and passing that information along.
I actually prefer the layout of this bible over any of the Cambridge bibles.. I like the references on the outside since they are harder to read it makes it easier to glance at them from time to time, Also I do like that it is black letter and not red letter.. For the money I think these bibles are pretty nice! The only question I have is this- Do you know if the binding is different between the genuine leather and the calf skin? I think the calf skin is around $110..
Thank you for the videos!
I haven't seen the calfskin edition, but based on the reviews I've seen, the calfskin leather seems much more flexible. I have to disagree with you about the placement of the references. My problem with locating the references on the outside is that the Bible text then moves toward the gutter. For older readers, that creates a problem, since we tend to have shallow depths of focus. I would prefer to have God's word on the flat surface of the page and place the references, which are less important and which I use less often, near the gutter. But we're all different with different preferences. Thanks for taking the time to comment!
R. Grant Jones Your welcome!
@@ryandonagan2628 - by the way, I understand that an NASB SCR from Zondervan will be available next February. It will be in goatskin and should have better print and paper than the Lockman editions. www.christianbook.com/nasb-comfort-column-reference-premium-goatskin/9780310451181/pd/45118X
R. Grant Jones ... I have only recently started looking at NASB bibles..is this new one thats coming out from Zondervan going to be a reliable trustworthy translation?
@@sylviafriessen9124 - If you're asking about the Comfort Print edition of the 1995 NASB Zondervan is bringing out in early next year, the answer is yes. The '95 is a very good translation, in my opinion. I may purchase one of the less expensive single-column reference editions to review. But if you're asking about the 2020 revision to the NASB, I don't know whether it will be reliable and trustworthy. Based on what I've seen in Facebook postings from the Lockman Foundation, it will incorporate more gender neutral language (like 'brothers and sisters' for 'brothers'). But I'll have to examine it closely when it's available before I form an opinion.
Thanks for the review. I just bought the Giant Print NASB #1363 (ISBN 978-1581351262) and it was a very happy choice. At least for me, the ghosting is negligible. The references are in the end of the corresponding verse, which may seem strange, but works very well. The only con are the red letters, but I can live with that.
Thanks for the comment. I took a look at that Bible at Christianbook.com. When I've seen other giant print Bibles (14 points!) in stores, my reaction has generally been that the publishers should have used thicker paper. I'm happy to hear that the ghosting is mild. The layout looks good, and I'm pleased to see they included the translation notes at the bottom of the page.
If I get another Schuyler ile send it your way....well unless its a gift from family LOL but yes if I get one some how for my channel I will gladly send it to ya. I'd love to see you review their font layout.😉 The Quentel just didn't grab me much, very nice font and spacing but actually light ink ,but the concordance is horribly small.
Yes it shows on camera brother that is horrible ghosting, I noticed the new Nasb lockmans I received were very blue worse than ever esp the SCR.I'D hoped for better from rumors but its worse than my last one was.
Ghosting don't bother me a ton but yes your comparison bothers my eyes also.
I think the Quentel font is the same as in the Canterbury. I have one of those, and I plan to review it in a couple of weeks. (I have my sights set on a hardback, Beeke's Reformation Heritage KJV Study Bible, for next week.) I'm not a big fan of Canterbury font, and I don't like the bottom-of-the-page references. But the Canterbury is well made and very beautiful -- even the calfskin one I have -- and a lot of people seem to like it.
On the 2017 blue-paper NASB SCR, I think the ghosting is just one of the problems. The reason the lamp angle is important is that the paper is so reflective: If your reading lamp is set so that the light tends to reflect away from your eyes, the optical shock/confusion caused by the print is reduced. So part of the problem must be the very bright paper causing the reader's pupil to narrow. But why having a more narrow pupil would be an issue, I don't understand. Another problem is the print. That 2010 narrow-margin NASB SCR had considerably bolder characters.
R. Grant Jones I honestly think Lockman is trying to get by tell their update gets finished then they will start actually paying attention LOL
We can only hope.
I will always love the Nelson end of verse references and verse by verse format in the NKJV. I have an 83 Large Print heritage edition coming soon, it very nice a blessing from a good friend. If ya want me to show something with that one let me know, its going to be a blast to review its my "one" bible. My personal bible adventures are over reviews for now on will probably be give always unless something different I wanna keep comes around.😉Thanks again for your detailed reviews.
Airik -- I'd be mostly interested in whether it uses a smaller font for poetry, like my old wide margin; how bright the red letters are (deep maroon would be good); how bold the characters are; line spacing (Nelson used to be greedy with paper and crammed their lines of print in tight); and whether print darkness varies, and by how much -- as was common back then. ("Back then" seems like yesterday to me. I still think of 1984 as the future.) Also, just for fun, take a look at 1 Peter 3.20, and compare that to your more recent NKJV.
Got mine today, love it!
So how do you get a copy of the older Bible, hopefully no red letter
I recommend searching for the ISBN (given in the video description). If it's no longer in print, it may be available at sites like eBay.
I would wait for the 2021 nasb revision before buying a paper copy.
Can you please do a review of your 77 single column reference please
I'll do that at some point, God willing. Thanks for the suggestion!
So what is the GSM of this paper?
I estimated it to be 30.5 gsm, so it's likely somewhere in the 30 to 32 gsm range.
Ill absolutely never understand why they put text in the gutter instead of the notes. Makes absolutely no sense to have the meat and potatoes in the gutter, when you could simply put the references there.
I agree. Thanks for commenting!
Are the words of Jesus in Red?
No, they aren't. Thanks for the question!
@@RGrantJones OK thanks for your reply
I have this bible. The cover is garbage. Might as well have bonded it feels just like it. Also the print is too light in too many places. The cowhide leather edition is preferable but the same problem with the print would still exist. Good format but the overall quality of the bible is mediocre at best. If it was a semi bold print in the cowhide leather it would be great.