UPDATE: The changes are now properly in and it appears the nerfs are closer to 2-3% ST nerf, while the AoE buff is 1% stronger. Doesn't change my conclusions in a major way, but there you go. The bolded line #3 of my document is incorrect and should say "all damage done by you and your pets increased by 8%", not pets and summons. At one point in the video, I say that BM is 5-10% behind the other specs on ST. That number is really more like 3-7% (the lower end being if MM runs Dark Ranger, and the higher being if it runs Sentinel).
9 oktober: Basilisk Collar damage bonus per damage over time effect reduced to 2%/4% (was 5%/10%). Kill Command damage increased by 18%. All damage dealt by you and your pet’s abilities increased by 8%. Developers’ notes: We’ve corrected an issue with the Beast Mastery changes which previously excluded the baseline aura buff for both the Hunter and their pets. We’ve also adjusted the values for the baseline buff up, to better reach our target goals. Our intended tuning change for Beast Mastery is intended to be relatively neutral for single target, while increasing AoE performance, which was behind where it should be. 25 september: Beast Cleave damage increased to 90% (was 80%). Kill Cleave damage increased to 90% (was 80%). These are all the changes we got/get in TWW and we are still 35% behind on AOE (pathetic). We have been doing bad on AOE after the prepatch hit. One whole month we cant attend any M+ because of this bad AOE. If they keep going on like this we will be okay AOE wise in........ I have absolutly no confidence in DEVS anymore. 11.0.5 is not gonna bring what we want, at least i dont believe that
I don't mind doing less damage until 11.0.5. I do think the changes to Basilik Collar was a bit heavy handed. I think changing from 5/10% it could have changed to 4/8%.
Blizzard is realy something, those guys litteraly must honestly believe that if you buff 95 by 5% it becomes 100, i swear they need to go back to highschool.
Actually, that was always the case with Bliz buff 95% by 5% and it becomes 100%. They use % on a standard base of the spell and when they say buff or nerf by X% they mean X% on that base and not on current dmg of the spell. At least that's what I think they are doing.
There was zero need to release the Basilisk Collar nerf ahead of the 11.0.5 changes. The changes coming this reset still leave BM unviable in mid to high keys while nerfing us in raid when we were far from the strongest dps to begin with
I quess we have to see the final spec and Numbers live in 11.0.5 to determain wether bm will be able to compete. I have my doubts, thx alot for the numbers. For sure blizzard Saw your video. Lf to see your talent changes after this.
I just wish if I was having to switch my single target that you wouldn't lose so much damage. Like it's better for me to just focus bloodbound horror on heroic bc if i switch to adds I just lose so much dmg
Still can't get into 10s or even complete a 10 I am 3rd in damage compared to the FOTM dps I group with and some tanks won't take me cause of my Spec lmao
I will continue to play whatever is best for the content I am doing in any given moment. Next week will be Nexus Princess (BM) into SIlken COurt (MM) and probably some M+ (also MM).
@@Azortharion You mentioned that the Dark Ranger changes on 11.0.5 will make BM better in AOE, but don't those changes also apply to MM, so won't the distance between them remain?
@@12Beastn I cover SV the exact same as BM and MM in my overview videos. It's just that there's less to cover, because it is receiving fewer changes. I think your problem is with John Blizzard, not me.
I don't mind if BM gets closer to MM, but I'd really be disappointed if BM is once again topping MM in M+. It always feels like you HAVE to play BM to do higher keys as a Hunter, and loving MM, I hate playing it. I really hope MM gets to stay more 'meta' as far as Hunters go, even though the entire class isn't even remotely close to meta for M+
Aren't all these changes taking place during 11.0.5????? The entirety of the changes??? Why mention it like " but what about 11.0.5" or what am I missing here.
You see the picture wrong, play with a good BM hunter in +11 and +12 keys, and they will own. The prob is, that 75% of hunter player are just casual players ans not really " good " at the game.. in terms of dealing DMG, how much of you are good at multi doting BS? Managing the placement of pets in aoe... As a bm you also deal full dmg while moving.. in high keys you have to move!! Or u die so you will do " less '" perfect Targetdummy dmg but that doesn't count for bm.. ull see bm rising high
You're going to get flamed for posting that on a BM hunter video but you're right, most bad players gravitate towards BM for sure. The meme is "hunter brain" for a reason.
UPDATE: The changes are now properly in and it appears the nerfs are closer to 2-3% ST nerf, while the AoE buff is 1% stronger. Doesn't change my conclusions in a major way, but there you go.
The bolded line #3 of my document is incorrect and should say "all damage done by you and your pets increased by 8%", not pets and summons.
At one point in the video, I say that BM is 5-10% behind the other specs on ST. That number is really more like 3-7% (the lower end being if MM runs Dark Ranger, and the higher being if it runs Sentinel).
Recommend pinning this if you can. I wrote an answer to the vid before seeing this. (Deleted it to not create confusion)
Thanks for this breakdown! The ST build on IcyVeins still has two points in Basilisk Collar. Is that intended?
@@ech3longames yep. Guides can be updated, videos can't!
@@Azortharion Thanks!
You out here doing God’s work for us hunters thanks Azor❤
god doesnot play wow so shut up
9 oktober:
Basilisk Collar damage bonus per damage over time effect reduced to 2%/4% (was 5%/10%).
Kill Command damage increased by 18%.
All damage dealt by you and your pet’s abilities increased by 8%.
Developers’ notes: We’ve corrected an issue with the Beast Mastery changes which previously excluded the baseline aura buff for both the Hunter and their pets. We’ve also adjusted the values for the baseline buff up, to better reach our target goals. Our intended tuning change for Beast Mastery is intended to be relatively neutral for single target, while increasing AoE performance, which was behind where it should be.
25 september:
Beast Cleave damage increased to 90% (was 80%).
Kill Cleave damage increased to 90% (was 80%).
These are all the changes we got/get in TWW and we are still 35% behind on AOE (pathetic). We have been doing bad on AOE after the prepatch hit.
One whole month we cant attend any M+ because of this bad AOE. If they keep going on like this we will be okay AOE wise in........
I have absolutly no confidence in DEVS anymore. 11.0.5 is not gonna bring what we want, at least i dont believe that
I don't mind doing less damage until 11.0.5. I do think the changes to Basilik Collar was a bit heavy handed. I think changing from 5/10% it could have changed to 4/8%.
Thanks for this recap Azor! Super grateful to have it broken down! And yeah, clearly, a lot more work needs to go in our spec huh?
Thank you for your time explaining.
If BM needs a ST nerf. Then why is mage left untouched?
lol, mages aren't untouched, they'll receive some buffs ok.
@@romerus6087 Yeah come on now, mages will always get attention.
Not to the hero talents that count.@@romerus6087
@@isca141 Honestly you're right, I just wanna play BM in raid and blast without thinking of them.
New to the game?
Blizzard is realy something, those guys litteraly must honestly believe that if you buff 95 by 5% it becomes 100, i swear they need to go back to highschool.
Actually, that was always the case with Bliz buff 95% by 5% and it becomes 100%. They use % on a standard base of the spell and when they say buff or nerf by X% they mean X% on that base and not on current dmg of the spell. At least that's what I think they are doing.
why dont you make your own game then smarty pant
@@Maha-gx4zm I m a few million dollars short genius
@@Maha-gx4zmlogic
This is what you can expect if you play with lesser classes. In world of lovecraft LOVE stands for Rogues and Mages, not for others.
Aye.
Looks like BM Hunters will be above Tanks in AoE outside of their 2 mins CD. Yay! A win? 🥳🥳
Definitely like the direction theyre going. Basilisk collar had to change and this lets them see how the basilisk collar tuning affects us
There was zero need to release the Basilisk Collar nerf ahead of the 11.0.5 changes. The changes coming this reset still leave BM unviable in mid to high keys while nerfing us in raid when we were far from the strongest dps to begin with
It will never stop amaze me how blizzard likes to break things that work and didn't need changes
BM hunter is the ultimate proof that blizzard have no idea what is going on
Nah, another month of farming. Thanks for your work.
Blizzard balance seems cooked until you realize its all based on if a dev got smoked by a certain class/spec that week in their keys/bgs
thank you for your time for explain
I quess we have to see the final spec and Numbers live in 11.0.5 to determain wether bm will be able to compete. I have my doubts, thx alot for the numbers. For sure blizzard Saw your video. Lf to see your talent changes after this.
Fingers crossed for patch 11.0.5 I guess
So we expect a nerf BM ST dmg of 5% ish?
And what % buff for BM aoe?
Thx for reply
He said it in the video, 14%
read the pin, its about 1%
ST should be untouched. It's the only viable aspect of the spec. NO reason to nerf it.
The AOE buff should probably be 2-3 x higher.
F you got the Rogue treatment.
I just wish if I was having to switch my single target that you wouldn't lose so much damage. Like it's better for me to just focus bloodbound horror on heroic bc if i switch to adds I just lose so much dmg
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Still can't get into 10s or even complete a 10 I am 3rd in damage compared to the FOTM dps I group with and some tanks won't take me cause of my Spec lmao
do you plan to switch to mm next week Azor?
I will continue to play whatever is best for the content I am doing in any given moment. Next week will be Nexus Princess (BM) into SIlken COurt (MM) and probably some M+ (also MM).
@@Azortharion You mentioned that the Dark Ranger changes on 11.0.5 will make BM better in AOE, but don't those changes also apply to MM, so won't the distance between them remain?
@@rickyjustusMM currently plays Sentinel on AoE, which BM doesn't have
What about it saying all damage done increased by 8% along with the pet and summons 8 percent?
It doesn't, those are old patch notes before they revised them.
retail wow is the worst balanced mmo i have ever seen.
Still refusing to even bring up SV hunters... SMH
In a video about BM changes, I didn't bring up SV changes because there were none. I must be an SV hater.
@@Azortharion LOL In my defense I'd put it on the SV video... but I can't seem to find any :S
@@12Beastn I cover SV the exact same as BM and MM in my overview videos. It's just that there's less to cover, because it is receiving fewer changes. I think your problem is with John Blizzard, not me.
@@Azortharion you ain't lying
this is the price bm hunters are paying for 3 button rotation
So you only play with half a rotation?
Well mm has even less buttons xd
3 button rotation? So you mean Ret, Ele, Fire Mage, Arcane mage, Dk, Warrior and just about every other dps spec in the game right?
This is the old saying that BM is easy, have you played any other specs, BM is about as easy as 80% of the specs in this game
I don't mind if BM gets closer to MM, but I'd really be disappointed if BM is once again topping MM in M+. It always feels like you HAVE to play BM to do higher keys as a Hunter, and loving MM, I hate playing it. I really hope MM gets to stay more 'meta' as far as Hunters go, even though the entire class isn't even remotely close to meta for M+
why would u want that? when mm has very shit single target and is by far the squishiest spec out of all 3. i'd rather play surv than to play mm in m+
@@dilios4026 MM has the best single-target of all the Hunter specs.
@@Azortharion then i must be playing it wrong then, guide for st rotation?
@@aleksavukotic1511 Here you go. www.icy-veins.com/wow/marksmanship-hunter-pve-dps-rotation-cooldowns-abilities
BM is the most played hunter spec by a large margin, that's why they are looked at more than the 2 other specs usually
Aren't all these changes taking place during 11.0.5????? The entirety of the changes??? Why mention it like " but what about 11.0.5" or what am I missing here.
These changes are coming today/tomorrow
I think they increase all player damage by 8%?
You see the picture wrong, play with a good BM hunter in +11 and +12 keys, and they will own. The prob is, that 75% of hunter player are just casual players ans not really " good " at the game.. in terms of dealing DMG, how much of you are good at multi doting BS? Managing the placement of pets in aoe... As a bm you also deal full dmg while moving.. in high keys you have to move!! Or u die so you will do " less '" perfect Targetdummy dmg but that doesn't count for bm.. ull see bm rising high
lol
Here's a secret: Bm "owns" you because your terrible. That is all.
Right...
You're going to get flamed for posting that on a BM hunter video but you're right, most bad players gravitate towards BM for sure. The meme is "hunter brain" for a reason.
@@ritchy3875 Even if it's true, it's completely irrelevant to anything or anyone, let alone this video.