@natasprotector Why was it necessary to exempt fracking from the Clean Water act, if there was no risk? Regarding methane, Scientific American reported that a return visit to examine 88 wells in Sublette County previously identified as contaminated found them so full of flammable gas, they couldn't be opened for fear of explosion. They also point out that the EPA 2004 report that was used to justify the exemption focused only on coal-bed methane deposits, not deep geologic drilling
@bannor99 no frac fluid gets into the water table period. only gas migration. rest of the water will come back over time, as long as the well is producing. it is collected on site and then taken somewhere to be treated and flushed back into the water supply when it meets the requirements of safe drinking water.
Its good to know what the interests are of your sources of information are. His job is to provide scientific, technological information that will be used to extract fuel. His counterpart on the same subject would be an environmental scientist, who would study the impact of this technology. What he does is dependent on the continued use of this technology. So, of course, he is not there to question whether this should be done. If you listen to his words, it is clear he is all about how, not if.
@natasprotector Thanks to the only partially-documented list of chemicals in fracking fluid, there's a lot more than in the tap water than just methane. What happens to all that "produced" water, especially the nearly 50 percent of it that isn't recovered?
Absolutely. My relatives were from PA and said it happened in the early 1900's. Causal relationships are merely convenient lies in propaganda films. The Nazis used to show films with a scene of swarming rats, then a scene of Jews, moronically implying a relationship between the two. Gasland and other modern propaganda films use the same methods and represent the antithesis of learning and knowledge and facts.
methane was in the water for thousands of years before he lit the water from the faucet on fire. We used to do that in PA when I was a kid growing up in the 1980s prior to fracking. BOOM!
i think shales gas processing will accelerate the green house effect and rush up the ice age. it may be the key factor for melting down the iceberg in the north pole.
"No energy store holds enough energy to extract, collect and utilise an amount of energy equal to the total energy it stores. Energy, like time, flows from past to future".
@@Withnail1969 In the News these days, Exon Mobil might sell its share in Iraqi [conventional] oil to the government there; Oil production since 1859 has never been economically possible if the stuff was traded on the basis it is finite, owing to the fact that the process is an energy sink - by physics. That's why you see all oil and gas production in 3rd World countries + Russia is nationalised since the 1950s, largely (since 1917 in the case of Russia). Coal is not different. Fossil fuels never come up from deep in the underground on a flying carpet.
@@sunroad7228 Well it's still economically possible but it's becoming a lot more difficult. For example, there's been a recent huge increase in US shale oil production but it hasn't really helped the economy. Why? I think it's because it's so expensive to produce and the wells last such a short time. Unlike back in the 1960s when oil production made the economy boom.
@@Withnail1969 When you say 'because it's so expensive' you in fact saying the process is an energy sink. In 3rd World countries, that doesn't matter because they burn more of the same fuel to get less. The media then tells locals obsessively - "oil is not brining money to the government because of systemic Corruption" - despite the industry is actually the-government! In Iraq, for instance, the theme of the government on 24/7 is to tell the people "corruption is astronomical" - an escape from explaining that the process is actually an energy sink - by physics.
@@sunroad7228 Yes that's right, both financially and also the amount of energy used to drill and frack the well vs the short life and low production of the wells. Like I say, this is the reason the economy didn't benefit much from all this new shale production. There are no real profits to put back into the system, either energy or financial.
Although he is an educator, his school likely has been offered and accepted funding from the energy industry. So there is likely to be some slant, subtle or great. Just as in politics, when money talks, people listen!
Shake, Rattle and roll gas. The main trouble with shale gas is that it causes mini earthquakes in neighborhoods where real people are trying to live a normal life.
an oncologist is a job, an oncology pharmacist is a job, a coroner is a job. Jobs just for jobs sake is not the right mentality. GDP grows when windows are broken - should we just always try to boost GDP no matter how it's done?
people only hear the bad news, WELL, that EARTHQUAKE that hit youngstown ohio 4.9, my glasses in my cabinet SHOOK HARD some fell over, windows rattleing, i have a crack going up my l.r. wall, i live in warren,25-30 miles and yes they were FRACKING AT THE TIME OF THE QUAKE!!!!
correlation does not mean causation especially with one data point. There are three options. 1) the earthquake was triggered by hydraulic fracturing in which case it would happen most times they were fracking which is very often 2) It was not triggered by hydraulic fracturing in which case it was going to happen at that time anyway and they just happened to also be hydraulically fracturing...which they do often 3) It was triggered by something else you are unaware of. The USGS has done large statistical analysis to show if these instances are coincidence or not. There conclusion is that hydraulic fracturing has no significant impact on the frequency of medium and large earthquakes. This rules out option 1 I could be wrong in this specific case but I highly doubt they were actually hydraulic fracturing at the time of the quake. most of the time people confuse drilling or enhanced oil recovery and fracking. Just because they were completing a well or they fracked wells in the area does not mean they were fracking. Think of it this way, you may have been making a sandwich during the quake. based on you logic making a sandwich causes earthquakes. Now that's ridicules but without many data points that conclusion is just as valid that fracking caused the earthquake.
***** That is seriously the dumbest analogy i have ever heard. You may want the earth to work like an egg to meet your points but that is not even close to correct. Way to know geology
I was lucky enough to have Dr.Curtis as professor. He is always clear and engaging. Great presentation!
Interesting talk but what about the hazards of hydraulic fracturing? Gasland documentary was an eye-opener
Good, I like that you share this video, I wish success always discusses a broad range of perspectives on the state of U.S
Very nice presentation, hitting on key points in an efficient manner. I am adding it to my channel.
@natasprotector Why was it necessary to exempt fracking from the Clean Water act, if there was no risk? Regarding methane, Scientific American reported that a return visit to examine 88 wells in Sublette County previously identified as contaminated found them so full of flammable gas, they couldn't be opened for fear of explosion. They also point out that the EPA 2004 report that was used to justify the exemption focused only on coal-bed methane deposits, not deep geologic drilling
@bannor99 no frac fluid gets into the water table period. only gas migration. rest of the water will come back over time, as long as the well is producing. it is collected on site and then taken somewhere to be treated and flushed back into the water supply when it meets the requirements of safe drinking water.
@natasprotector Why do you say that? All those people with the water problems were mistaken?
Its good to know what the interests are of your sources of information are. His job is to provide scientific, technological information that will be used to extract fuel. His counterpart on the same subject would be an environmental scientist, who would study the impact of this technology.
What he does is dependent on the continued use of this technology. So, of course, he is not there to question whether this should be done. If you listen to his words, it is clear he is all about how, not if.
@natasprotector Thanks to the only partially-documented list of chemicals in fracking fluid, there's a lot more than in the tap water than just methane. What happens to all that "produced" water, especially the nearly 50 percent of it that isn't recovered?
Absolutely. My relatives were from PA and said it happened in the early 1900's. Causal relationships are merely convenient lies in propaganda films. The Nazis used to show films with a scene of swarming rats, then a scene of Jews, moronically implying a relationship between the two. Gasland and other modern propaganda films use the same methods and represent the antithesis of learning and knowledge and facts.
Josh Fox - Gasland FOREVER !!!
methane was in the water for thousands of years before he lit the water from the faucet on fire. We used to do that in PA when I was a kid growing up in the 1980s prior to fracking. BOOM!
i think shales gas processing will accelerate the green house effect and rush up the ice age. it may be the key factor for melting down the iceberg in the north pole.
"No energy store holds enough energy to extract, collect and utilise an amount of energy equal to the total energy it stores.
Energy, like time, flows from past to future".
Correct. and two thirds of the oil in any deposit is left in the ground.
@@Withnail1969 In the News these days, Exon Mobil might sell its share in Iraqi [conventional] oil to the government there;
Oil production since 1859 has never been economically possible if the stuff was traded on the basis it is finite, owing to the fact that the process is an energy sink - by physics.
That's why you see all oil and gas production in 3rd World countries + Russia is nationalised since the 1950s, largely (since 1917 in the case of Russia).
Coal is not different.
Fossil fuels never come up from deep in the underground on a flying carpet.
@@sunroad7228 Well it's still economically possible but it's becoming a lot more difficult. For example, there's been a recent huge increase in US shale oil production but it hasn't really helped the economy. Why? I think it's because it's so expensive to produce and the wells last such a short time. Unlike back in the 1960s when oil production made the economy boom.
@@Withnail1969 When you say 'because it's so expensive' you in fact saying the process is an energy sink.
In 3rd World countries, that doesn't matter because they burn more of the same fuel to get less. The media then tells locals obsessively - "oil is not brining money to the government because of systemic Corruption" - despite the industry is actually the-government!
In Iraq, for instance, the theme of the government on 24/7 is to tell the people "corruption is astronomical" - an escape from explaining that the process is actually an energy sink - by physics.
@@sunroad7228 Yes that's right, both financially and also the amount of energy used to drill and frack the well vs the short life and low production of the wells. Like I say, this is the reason the economy didn't benefit much from all this new shale production. There are no real profits to put back into the system, either energy or financial.
this was in January 2010. Gasland didnt come out until June 2010.
Although he is an educator, his school likely has been offered and accepted funding from the energy industry. So there is likely to be some slant, subtle or great. Just as in politics, when money talks, people listen!
very different from the gas manufacturers that we are used to know.
Shake, Rattle and roll gas. The main trouble with shale gas is that it causes mini earthquakes in neighborhoods where real people are trying to live a normal life.
9 years ago?
an oncologist is a job, an oncology pharmacist is a job, a coroner is a job. Jobs just for jobs sake is not the right mentality. GDP grows when windows are broken - should we just always try to boost GDP no matter how it's done?
people only hear the bad news, WELL, that EARTHQUAKE that hit youngstown ohio 4.9, my glasses in my cabinet SHOOK HARD some fell over, windows rattleing, i have a crack going up my l.r. wall, i live in warren,25-30 miles and yes they were FRACKING AT THE TIME OF THE QUAKE!!!!
correlation does not mean causation especially with one data point. There are three options.
1) the earthquake was triggered by hydraulic fracturing in which case it would happen most times they were fracking which is very often
2) It was not triggered by hydraulic fracturing in which case it was going to happen at that time anyway and they just happened to also be hydraulically fracturing...which they do often
3) It was triggered by something else you are unaware of.
The USGS has done large statistical analysis to show if these instances are coincidence or not. There conclusion is that hydraulic fracturing has no significant impact on the frequency of medium and large earthquakes. This rules out option 1
I could be wrong in this specific case but I highly doubt they were actually hydraulic fracturing at the time of the quake. most of the time people confuse drilling or enhanced oil recovery and fracking. Just because they were completing a well or they fracked wells in the area does not mean they were fracking.
Think of it this way, you may have been making a sandwich during the quake. based on you logic making a sandwich causes earthquakes. Now that's ridicules but without many data points that conclusion is just as valid that fracking caused the earthquake.
***** That is seriously the dumbest analogy i have ever heard.
You may want the earth to work like an egg to meet your points but that is not even close to correct. Way to know geology
we need to go solar this hydrofracking is just to dangers to fool with
See my previous comment to user Natgasisourfuture ( natasprotector )
Turn your computer off! Unplug your electric guitar. Move to a cave. Then we'll listen.
How was it an eye-opener? It was fiction presented as fact.
Try living in realty...