5 Things to Know BEFORE You Dig a Farm Pond!
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- Опубліковано 26 сер 2024
- How to dig a farm fish pond Episode 167
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Thanks for sharing this post with me! Have y’all considered a pond liner? We’ve had the ponds installed here 30 years ago, but are having issues currently and that’s why I’m reaching out. Because of the leaks… some down to the bedrock.
@@andrewmills9261 All ponds are different. A liner would be expensive for us. We'd probably go with a dedicated well first.
@@PineyGroveHomestead that actually makes a lot of sense. I wasn’t looking at it like that. I’m not a homesteader, I work in the golf course industry. I like your videos, they are insightful
Damn Republicans always in your business tell you what you can do on your land. Tell you what you can do with your body how many sex toys you can have
lol permits..... i just could not imagine thinking let me go ask big brother if i can dig a hole on my property out in the middle of no where. lol
Right! Florida is a pretty free state....for now!
Just going to casually dig a hole without checking whether that's somebody's cemetery, or there's a gas or electric line through there, or an outcropping of arsenic- or mercury- rich rock, or the last nesting ground of an endangered species... because MUH FREEDUMB.
Good stuff. Nice to know you're a responsible adult.
lol such a city slicker.@@tealkerberus748
@@tealkerberus748that’s what 411 is for doofus
@@tealkerberus748 Being a good steward of the land and trying to improve it without damaging ecosystem and destroying what's there already is something we should all strive for - but you're never going to get that through to people who only care about their personal right to do whatever they want regardless of consequence.
Notice how this commenter said "I just could not imagine thinking". Yep, that about sums it up.
Thanks for posting! Here is what I learned...
1. Do you need a permit?
2. Do environmental survey
3. determine soil type via core sample
4. where does the water come from? plan for and identify runoff and rainfall/well
5. determine budget and include costs for culverts, drain pipes, dock, fill dirt, and maint
Thanks again
We're still struggling!
Thanks for honestly sharing your build experience
My pleasure!
The most informative pre pond build video I've seen so far. Thank you very much for the foresight. I'm about to leave the city life for 5 acres in Virginia.
That sure will help lots of people searching for land and wishing to have a pond.
You addressed points I hadn't seen in other channels. Good things to consider keeping in mind.
I do hope your pond's issues gets resolved, at least in most parts. It's beautiful and relaxing to look at.
It's already deeper than that video that we shot 5 days ago and it's raining now. Hopefully we can seal the rest of it soon and see what the summer holds in store for rain!! Thanks for supporting us!!
I looked into a natural pond and went with a rpe lined pond-low rain fall here and i have a hose running 24/7 at about a gallon per minute. It has been an issue covering up the edges with an overpayment, dirt and getting grass to grow. It’s more about protecting the liner under some dirt and roots. My fish are doing well, much help from an aerator. No permits with the county.
Thanks for sharing, that was insightful and very helpful 🤗 I appreciate 😇
If I buy private property with my hard earned money . Pay taxes on this property. Those are now my Indian remains .
I hear you but if the government knows about it, they can keep you from building!
Great tips! So many variables in having a nice pond in the end. This will be a great resource for everyone planning their dig!
So much for digging a hole and it fills up with water, right?!!
If you throw out old hay into the water and some bentonite, or use some of you native red clay, you can create what is known as “glay”. It’s basically what a blue clay is. It’s carbon and clay and water has a very hard time getting through. Keep stirring up the clays add clay when you able to, also throw in all your old leaves. Get as much clay and carbon in the pond and it will seal up real nice for cheap.
I"ll give my experience. Upper texas coast. I cleared an acre and a half of trees using an old back hoe. Then I purchased an old dozer, small and had to rebuild the tracks. I dug down as far as the dozer could handle. I went through top soil, soft clay and eventually hard gray clay that the dozer couldn't dig without tilting the blade hard to one side to cut into it. The land sloped some so I pushed the soil out and built a berm around the pond. One foot or so above grade on one side and four or five foot above grade on the lower side. The berm sloped in slightly so all rain ran into the pond that ended up being at least an acre and a quarter. Depth ended up being 14' at the deepest middle of the pond. The banks sloped in so it looks really big full of water and smaller as the water goes down. I put in lots of structure. Some of the hardwood trees I removed I kept the stumps and turning them upside down buried them in the bottom of the lake making trees with the roots on the top for structure. For catfish I took two five gallon buckets and tywrapped the open sides together and then burying them in the banks five or more feet down with a large hole cut in the outside bucket bottom. I get catfish spawns every year. I keep an aerator going out in the bottom of the deepest part of the pond and I hand drilled a 25' well that runs 24/7 pumping perhaps four gallons a minute into the pond. Not enough to keep it filled but enough to slow evaporation down. I built a nice pier out into the pond with power for lights and the pumps along with water from my home well. Once dug I traded the dozer and old backhoe in on a newer backhoe that I find the most important piece of equipment around the farm. As soon as I dug the pond we had a rain that filled it to the top within weeks of me completing it. Surprised me. Next I went to a nearby lake and using a minnow trap caught a couple of hundred red fin shiners. I released them into the lake and no fish. Within one summer I had thousands of shiners in the pond and then I added catfish and bluegills. I would say the pier and power at the pond are the best features of it. I can sit out there with a fan if I want or lights to enjoy being out on summer evenings. I figure that most of the cost of the pond was for diesel for running the equipment. I did get an estimate before starting and the company wanted $30K (14 years ago) to clear and dig the pond so doing it myself was far cheaper. Someone I knew told me he had dug his own and bought an old dozer and then sold it later so that's likely the lowest cost way to dig a pond.
My soil is Sandy Loam with small traces of clay which is not suitable for a pond build. I dug a small pond about 30ft in diameter and it filled with about 4ft of rain water. The pond dried out in under 1 week and then I added 3 inch's of clay to form a test seal. The pond filled again and water lasted about 3 months. I have 3 tons of sodium bentonite to put in a new pond but will need about 200 yards of clay to make an 8" clay liner. I really want a pond for wild life and eventually drill a water well.
The first pond had about 10 yards of clay that I hand dug and hauled out a yard at a time.
We feel your pain! Did you test your soil? Check out this video: ua-cam.com/video/AW0WQgrGVTk/v-deo.html
@@PineyGroveHomestead I have seen several of your videos and have tested my soil. I think I had about 20 percent clay at most but most samples were really low in clay.
Not sure of the laws in Florida where you are but in our state zoning has nothing to do with whether or not you need a permit to dig a pond. Our property is zoned AG5 but regardless our state / county laws dictate a permit is required if you exceed 1.1 acres in surface area (believe this is actually a state law). Additionally, in our state what you are actually getting permitted for is legally defined as "soil disturbance". Technically, our state does not issue permits to "dig a pond". Good video. Thanks for sharing. Hope you have reasonable success with the pond sealer. Haven't heard a lot of good about those types of products but every situation is different.
We're hopeful it works too. Thanks for watching.
Actually in the state of Florida if you are to dig a pond on your property and cannot be any larger than 2.14 Acres. Anything over 2.14 Acres you have to pull a farm permit and it's $25 per acre of water. So if you were to dig a 5-acre pond it will be $75 plus the initial Pond permit fee which is $14.78 I guess I don't know why it's such an offset number. It's got to be them damn Kazarian Jews working in public office still. LOL sorry about that but if everyone knew what was really going on in the fact that our government has been bankrupt since 2000 and everybody that's in position right now knows this and is still operating illegally taking our taxpayer dollars which is also illegal since the Supreme Court ruled so in 1983 yeah man we've been being Bamboozled all this time but I wouldn't care about pulling the permit we've got a bunch of ducks and geese out here and my uncle and myself were about to put a three and a half acre pond in separating his son's property from our property so we have a beautiful view we have our fruit Orchard trees on one side will have a 3 Acre Pond and then we'll have our Gardens and other stuff on one other side and then his son's house in the back. We don't give a damn about the rules anymore we're done following them
Ain't it the living' bloody truth. I agree, " permit this' you creepy bureaucrats!!!
I'm glad I live in the free state of Missouri
Fingers crossed for a full pond for you guys.
Thank you! We think it's holding better now. We've got a plan to augment with our second well that we're not using right now, but we want to see how it does on it's own for awhile longer.
K as a person who did a small pond. Permit if the permit is needed. If you do a farm pond you need to know it's not a build and use immediately no matter how good you filter system is. Best thing is dig it. Use any clay you dig to pack it on the floor and walls use only round rocks any jaded ones on the shore and walls. Use gladed chicken wire to protect the plants on the shore and use flowing platforms to grow future plants. To clean the water. Don't add any fish for a while. Make one area into a watering area. Use a concrete platform that is deep enough to drink from but is fenced off from the pound. Think a sunken fence off deck. For water foul. Don't. Just don't. Make a creek that feeds a smaller pond.
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Nice follow-up guys, thank you.
Thank you. We're feeling better that it didn't go dry....more work to do though.
I dug a pond too and it leaks. Lined it with 2 feet of blue clay too. Over the years tree roots and cattails open holes and the water follows and so do pests.
Ponds can be frustrating. Some people just dig a hole and have water!
surrounded by all those marvelous beautiful trees
we only cleared 6 acres of the 20....left the rest wooded.
Viewed, Liked, Shared and Subscribed! Excellent content and video!
Those are some really good things to consider. I would have thought the same way you guys did. There is water sitting there already let make it deeper. Hopefully when you seal the other half of the pond it will retain water better.
Thanks Justin. We are hopeful!
Following. I’ve had the same problems you guys are having
Damit is probably the best solution if you don't want the expense of clay. ua-cam.com/video/NEwSTg1aOWc/v-deo.html
Good luck with your pond and homestead. Love your brittany!
Thank you. More to come on the pond. Here's Bella's story: ua-cam.com/video/SUbPYnClo50/v-deo.html
You still have to dig it back out and clay line the hole pond 😱😢looks a beautiful plot 😍😍
Yes, but right now the water is 7' deep!
A lot of good pond-building information! Hate to see the pond leaking-off. Hopefully the spring rains, gutter-feed, bentonite and damnit* (🤣) help you all get back in order. 🙏👍🏻 - Samuel
Thanks! Pond struggles are real!
Make sure you want this pond before you start! Once there is water in your pond or puddle, you no longer have control of that property. On one job before we started the owner did not do the work he wanted to do. He had big boulders in the edge of the pond, He wanted to use the boulders for landscaping. He was told that the boulders were in the pond and he could not remove them. Before you start call all four agencies that will have control of what you do. That is how it is in Minnesota!
That sounds terrible. Not like that in North Florida.
Beautiful property and you gave me many things to think about. going to dig a small pond this summer and should be good where I'm at ( all clay ). Liked and subbed. Thank you.
Good luck with your pond! We still haven't fixed ours but we will!
Great video. Informative. Thank you!
Thanks! We've got a pond playlist if you are interested in more videos: ua-cam.com/play/PLG5yS75HLzo0i302yrCcDcE7Eykhia4l8.html
Thank you! Great information
Thank you for the comment. We have a whole playlist on what we've learned about this pond! ua-cam.com/play/PLG5yS75HLzo0i302yrCcDcE7Eykhia4l8.html
Very informative and good luck 👍
A key way will also help.
Thanks for watching.
So... the Damit pond sealer you spread didn't work very well?
We aren't sure yet....we are not done. Follow-up video coming.
You could have brought in clay like a lot of people. You can also look at bama bass 5 acre pond UA-cam videos he had leaks, and use a product that plugged the leaks. Looks like you did seal, but you lost a lot to the wind. Maybe see how others do it.
Pond is a work in progress. Here's an updated video. ua-cam.com/video/3TlNnn3InpE/v-deo.html
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well done! thank you!
Thanks for watching. We have a whole playlist on our pond here: ua-cam.com/play/PLG5yS75HLzo0i302yrCcDcE7Eykhia4l8.html
You missed the third type of soil: anything that dissolves if you soak it in water for a bit. Or the fourth type, those clays that if you soak them and then shock them they liquify instantly.
We tested our soil in this video: ua-cam.com/video/AW0WQgrGVTk/v-deo.html
Can you put leaves and grass clippings on the pond to allow buildup of decayed matter to seal it up?
Maybe. we still have to seal the other half and see if that works.
You still have to dig it back out and clay line the hole pond 😱😢
That vanishing dog @ 3:13 had me questioning my sanity.
The magic of editing, right? You might enjoy this update: ua-cam.com/video/IFeDT0uEUAk/v-deo.html
Just curious where you all located sorry new to the channel
Hey Mike....been watching your channel for awhile. We are in North Florida.....close to Hank Hamilton.
True story we live on land because we don't want to be told what to do with our own shit
Good video, I want a pond on my 25 acres.
Go for it!! It's been a little bit frustrating, but we'll get it right eventually. Thanks for watching.
Im never ever asking the government to come poke around my land thats guaranteed trouble. I promise you if I look hard enough I will find a chipped rock that's an "Arrowhead" or some endangered soil fungus.
It's become crazy! Here's an update: ua-cam.com/video/mxcfQL-4FRs/v-deo.html
Have you noticed that the damit worked as a flocculant? Also I know y'all talked to the manufacturer and that it's non-toxic, but can it be used with fish already in a pond?
full video here of sealing the pond: ua-cam.com/video/NEwSTg1aOWc/v-deo.html
New subscriber great videos
Welcome and thanks for watching. Here's us: ua-cam.com/video/XUyPtGWZ3ss/v-deo.html
Did he say at the end of the video it's been 4 years since they dug the pond and it looks like that?? Looks like they just started with it.
Permit my ass !!!! If anyone comes to complain it can easily become a grave.
The less government you have in your life the better... Just dig and don't brag about it to government karens...It's your land. Dig a hole if you want. FJ B.
Gators??
No, just snakes
There was a lot of good information but I wanted to see angry, Brad
You got broke Brad!
Rubber roof line your pond an old man who builds stock ponds will tell you anyone who will dig you a pond with out that is only try to take your money especially if you do not have a source feed pond
We've got time to work on some different solutions for it.
You make think this is really expensive now this was 10 to 15 years ago but he said you can do a 5 acre pond for 2000 dollars when going straight to abc roofing supplies
$2K for anything nowadays is cheap!
You could dig it deeper until you hit better clay
If that was the case, eventually the water would stop when it reaches the clay.
you should have sued the pants off the contractor he should have known better about sandy clay soils you may want to think of buying some bentonite clay to seal that pond, and find a contractor that knows what he is doing, ive built and dredged ponds for over 15 yrs
This is an updated video: ua-cam.com/video/3TlNnn3InpE/v-deo.html