I know the scene makes gameplay a bit too small - I've updated for future recordings. Sorry about that! Gotta deal with what we got for the next few vids.
The only problem I have is the minimap being blocked. Which is obviously not your fault. And completely understandable for the streamer. Just wish stream sniping wasn't so rampant that we can't analyze these vods on that level. So frustrating.
I’ve played csgo for years so transitioning to valorant has been tough with really bad habits coming over. I’ve been learning very rapidly with your videos, and dropping some of my bad habits relatively easy. Much love to you and your content, goodluck going full time!
@@svenyam gunfight hygiene. They share similarities, but in csgo I typically sprayed even from further ranges because bullets arent rng after a certain point like in valorant. Not also mentioning every shot even standing still in valorant is rng it doesn’t hit exact every shot, and spray resetting is a lot faster in csgo. That’s the only real issues changing into each game because the gameplay is very different, and there’s a lot more utility in valorant. But the gunplay is different although looking so similar, which was a huge shift that held me back. Sorry for the long paragraph.
46:09 it is winged and the molly lands outside of the map which is why it appears that it hit the ground. Also nats stops for a split second before firing but he starts moving just as he fires it which causes the molly to fall outside the map.
7:48 I notice he doesn't wall instantly because he is waiting for Sova recon first to see if they are stacking A. I think that's why he lets the C - B link open.
What great content! Even if its not as specific as this guide was being a pro's playbook on a specific champion for a specific map, I would love to see more guides like your Lotus guide. I'm still very new to macro, and even just having a general idea of how to exploit a map to create advantages is a big help. Thanks Woohoojin.
For the molly at 46:09 i believe he runs up until he is in line with the statues in the wall in front of and to the right of him and then lines up the dot at the top of his molly throw icon to the corner of where the stairs up to heaven meet the wall
I ranked up from gold 3 to plat 2 (10 games winstreak) after being gold 2/3 for about a month...i ve only really watched and focus on your videos. I can't really find out what i m doing different (other than the things i ll list but even though i ve been doing those for a week or 2 i hadnt ranked up until now) but i seem to be getting many kills without necessarily aiming well. Things that really helped out : 1) Insta rotate/flank on pistol rounds (it has worked every single time for weeks now) , 2) never play alone on eco advantage rounds , play off/with your teammates especially if you have numbers, 3) fast flank when they are shooting/when there s chaos they wont hear you (has worked about 75% of the time and i m pretty sure it s my fault when it doesnt), 4) watch a pro or 2 playing your agent in various maps and watch where he plays and why (i play omen). And of course 5) practice aim 30 min a day and warm up with a deathmatch or two. Thanks woohoojin i ll try to get even more out of your videos you really are the best coach i ve seen.
For me, I think the biggest difference is im not playing on autopilot and I am definitely more aware of everything im doing after watching woohoojin videos. After 3 games, i notice i go back to autopiloting.
@@pandathug6806 cuz you can't focus over 3 games. Your focus is good tho, I can't do 2 games and have my focus up completely. What I've been doing to help myself focus for 3 is just taking a break after each match. I do like 50 pushups and wait 5 mins and then hop on. Keeps me focused waaay more and aim doesn't feel off, doesn't reset
at 20:25 the wall left a little gap where enemy cypher did get 2K. I guess he misplaced it bcos of kj turret at the start barrier (?) i think probably better to throw the wall precisely to the corner point
I’m pretty sure the molly @45:24 is thrown when he’s at the left edge of the statue and his wall icon is on the bottom step. Not sure how he knows how far off the wall from the statue to be though. I’ll update this when I get the chance to test it in case I’m wrong
almost 100% sure it literally just lands outside the map. trajectory is straight and any slight changes causes it to land on the wall so i think hooj is just respecting the molly too much
@@flabbynostril you are correct, it does land outside the map. Pros are humans and people don't need to be placed on a pedestal. If one can't figure it out in 15 minutes then how do you think a pro did it in 1 second?
@@ImMigrant98086 it's not that a pro would figure it out in 1 sec it's that he (or his team) has spent countless hours finding useful spots, and practicing those spots, remember this game is a career and full time job for people like this.
Thank you for the anaylsis. I think that last molly lineup works by lining up the clouds and the building somehow, I tried to stand such that the bottom edge of the cloud is just covered by the building in front of him - then I used the wall icon to aim.
the last molly "line-up" isn't actually a line-up, you can hear nAts say "I missed" as hes walking up to heaven, and the trajectory of the molly shows it landing just outside the map in the pond ua-cam.com/users/clipUgkxBFFFsHZjvtZc8JM2Zz7oWoChUT395Uwt
the wall on pistol cuts under heaven not on the upper region. I don't know why he does that but it's the same with every lotus game I've seen him on viper
Hey whj, at 6:22, if you would put the second wall, coming from b a little bit more to the right, you could also wall off the box on the left on the way to a, do you think that would also make sense or do you think its bad since it gives a little more space for the enemy?
Banana senapi, you even put the images in the description. I am on my controller arc and omen is my main. But I wanted to try out viper because I like her utility a lot (since they damage the enemy) But I fail miserable everytime. I am low elo (gold3 peak lmao) and this might help me to gain some elo ? I think its good to learn and I will learn using the valo plants and the your analysis. Thank you for your efforts, I am forever grateful
I m currently confused what agent to main now I usually played chamber before Nerf but now I play fade but I m not so good at it I also used to main viper before chamber was in the game so I m pretty confused 😢😐😣
Wohoojin love the vids just wanted to asked what’s the coolness meter for, it kinda makes the actual gameplay hard to see, if like u could only put ur voice over and the screen of the gameplay on the yt vids it would be great, again this is just my opinion and you don’t have to do anything, idk I just thought I should point it out. Other than that much love and I prolly just have shitty eyesight Edit- I saw ur comment, LMAO thx for caring about ur yt viewers 💯❤
Sucks that I can't sub on Discord because I'm on the process of building a new house but one thing I've learned over the free yt pro and rank vod analysis videos is how to analyze pro vods more effectively and it has helped me have better decision making in ranked and have better pattern recognition that I seem to have trouble in fps games like CS and Val. These episode has been kind of slow for me considering outside factors I need to do but your content scratches that itch of competitive strategy that I can't seem to find in my swiftplay and unrated games
@woohoojin 44:55 You can hear him in the vod saying "oh Blin, I missed" ua-cam.com/video/yMY69vyl3_M/v-deo.html. Also he is lining up his walking path with the bell before the stairs
I am a simple viewer, I see a pro analises video made by my favorite banana, a controller vod (not pANcada, unfortunately ) in a map that I like, one hour long and I click
Wouldn't a wall from B all the way to the rotating door on A be a better wall as solo controller ? then you can ancor C yourself or orb for your C player. Or nAts doens't even bother with A because it is their strong side ?
after watching this video, yesterday i was in someone's chat and someone said 'someone just threw my game because i asked why we have solo viper on lotus". should i only play viper if we have another controller? anyone feel free to answer lol
Im brand new. Like legit less than 3 months of play. I frequently am turbo confused by the very basics of space control using smokes and walls. EX: This smoke is in x place. I have observed that with my eyes. I have no idea what that means for me and how im supposed to leverage the benefit of that wall or smoke. Conversely, i didn't know i was fucking up THAT bad by interacting with that wall or smoke in X way when its the other teams shit. I dont understand the objective of a wall or smoke by looking at it further than "they cannot see me while i stand behind this" i understand that this is a mega novice concept but i figured if im having this issue there are a lot of others that probably are as well so i'm sure it can make for solid content for you. I hope you are having a great day dude.
Day 1 of asking banana man to make a tier list of the controller, duelist and the initiator agents. So a tier list of their own class for all those three. Have a nice day!
3:34 That's a default wall I've been seeing this season in pro play. It gives slight more space to work with (not significant) but it covers the double box near A stairs that Jett/Chamber can op from. The downside is that it doesn't cover heaven but if you're running a double controller comp, you don't need to worry about it 🤗
@@Yafama You could but the fuel for Viper drains too quick for both of them to be active and you need the wall up as much as possible if you’re hitting A
Day 12 of saying Good Morning to Woohoojin because he streams too late. Also for the molly at 33:00 do we jump then throw or jump and throw at the same time? I don’t know if that affects the lineup tho.
I know the scene makes gameplay a bit too small - I've updated for future recordings. Sorry about that! Gotta deal with what we got for the next few vids.
I was just on my way to ask you that if you could go back to the bigger screen with the banana overlay
The only problem I have is the minimap being blocked. Which is obviously not your fault. And completely understandable for the streamer. Just wish stream sniping wasn't so rampant that we can't analyze these vods on that level. So frustrating.
@@e.and.f yeah, people like to sabotage and more people like to watch good people/popular people get sabotaged
Thats just how it works
I like how your pro analysis makes me want to play every agent you analyze
then i instalock and go 2-13
Me too lol
@@Josephidh82 I know how that feels lol
@@LFHydra r u the hydra from long?
@@xzeraCS no unfortunately
Woohoojin and dopai are both going to singlehandedly change the ranked ecosystem
I’ve played csgo for years so transitioning to valorant has been tough with really bad habits coming over. I’ve been learning very rapidly with your videos, and dropping some of my bad habits relatively easy. Much love to you and your content, goodluck going full time!
out of curiosity as someone who started w valorant and recently started playing cs, what bad habits are you carrying over?
@@svenyam gunfight hygiene. They share similarities, but in csgo I typically sprayed even from further ranges because bullets arent rng after a certain point like in valorant. Not also mentioning every shot even standing still in valorant is rng it doesn’t hit exact every shot, and spray resetting is a lot faster in csgo. That’s the only real issues changing into each game because the gameplay is very different, and there’s a lot more utility in valorant. But the gunplay is different although looking so similar, which was a huge shift that held me back. Sorry for the long paragraph.
46:09 it is winged and the molly lands outside of the map which is why it appears that it hit the ground. Also nats stops for a split second before firing but he starts moving just as he fires it which causes the molly to fall outside the map.
Nah i dont think so
@@vkodiyattu well you are wrong
@@ImMigrant98086 no im not
7:48 I notice he doesn't wall instantly because he is waiting for Sova recon first to see if they are stacking A. I think that's why he lets the C - B link open.
What great content! Even if its not as specific as this guide was being a pro's playbook on a specific champion for a specific map, I would love to see more guides like your Lotus guide. I'm still very new to macro, and even just having a general idea of how to exploit a map to create advantages is a big help. Thanks Woohoojin.
For the molly at 46:09 i believe he runs up until he is in line with the statues in the wall in front of and to the right of him and then lines up the dot at the top of his molly throw icon to the corner of where the stairs up to heaven meet the wall
18:03 IKR like I get so many kills off of that angle and I always peek till stairs while crouching if theres no smokes waterfall
I ranked up from gold 3 to plat 2 (10 games winstreak) after being gold 2/3 for about a month...i ve only really watched and focus on your videos. I can't really find out what i m doing different (other than the things i ll list but even though i ve been doing those for a week or 2 i hadnt ranked up until now) but i seem to be getting many kills without necessarily aiming well. Things that really helped out : 1) Insta rotate/flank on pistol rounds (it has worked every single time for weeks now) , 2) never play alone on eco advantage rounds , play off/with your teammates especially if you have numbers, 3) fast flank when they are shooting/when there s chaos they wont hear you (has worked about 75% of the time and i m pretty sure it s my fault when it doesnt), 4) watch a pro or 2 playing your agent in various maps and watch where he plays and why (i play omen). And of course 5) practice aim 30 min a day and warm up with a deathmatch or two. Thanks woohoojin i ll try to get even more out of your videos you really are the best coach i ve seen.
almost my exact experience
For me, I think the biggest difference is im not playing on autopilot and I am definitely more aware of everything im doing after watching woohoojin videos. After 3 games, i notice i go back to autopiloting.
@@pandathug6806 cuz you can't focus over 3 games. Your focus is good tho, I can't do 2 games and have my focus up completely. What I've been doing to help myself focus for 3 is just taking a break after each match. I do like 50 pushups and wait 5 mins and then hop on. Keeps me focused waaay more and aim doesn't feel off, doesn't reset
@@berjerky thats a solid way to mentally reset and stay fresh
at 20:25 the wall left a little gap where enemy cypher did get 2K. I guess he misplaced it bcos of kj turret at the start barrier (?) i think probably better to throw the wall precisely to the corner point
3:42 Detechtive Woohoojin!
I made it to gold 1 after being hard stuck silver since beta thank you for the advice and the videos
great video love the way viper is played and ur analysis makes me love her more
LOVE this vod review helped me learn a lot as a viper main\
I still have no idea how to properly play lotus despite guides so this helped me
I’m pretty sure the molly @45:24 is thrown when he’s at the left edge of the statue and his wall icon is on the bottom step. Not sure how he knows how far off the wall from the statue to be though. I’ll update this when I get the chance to test it in case I’m wrong
almost 100% sure it literally just lands outside the map. trajectory is straight and any slight changes causes it to land on the wall so i think hooj is just respecting the molly too much
@@flabbynostril you are correct, it does land outside the map. Pros are humans and people don't need to be placed on a pedestal. If one can't figure it out in 15 minutes then how do you think a pro did it in 1 second?
@@ImMigrant98086 it's not that a pro would figure it out in 1 sec it's that he (or his team) has spent countless hours finding useful spots, and practicing those spots, remember this game is a career and full time job for people like this.
The visuals you make are super useful as a viper player! Sometimes it’s hard to remember lineups for all of the 7 maps I try to lock her on
Viper setups sp nerdy man got shoved in a locker and bullied.
Thank you for the anaylsis. I think that last molly lineup works by lining up the clouds and the building somehow, I tried to stand such that the bottom edge of the cloud is just covered by the building in front of him - then I used the wall icon to aim.
the last molly "line-up" isn't actually a line-up, you can hear nAts say "I missed" as hes walking up to heaven, and the trajectory of the molly shows it landing just outside the map in the pond ua-cam.com/users/clipUgkxBFFFsHZjvtZc8JM2Zz7oWoChUT395Uwt
one of my favorite nerds fr
alongside the banana ofc
went from bronze 3 to silver 2 to gold 3 almost plat 1 after playing for almost 2 months thanks to you
the wall on pistol cuts under heaven not on the upper region. I don't know why he does that but it's the same with every lotus game I've seen him on viper
Thanks to the T3 sub, YBM, mentioning to like and sub at the beginning of the video, I made sure to like this video
This video is amazing I hope you will make a kj pro analysis too
LETS GOOO my premier team wants me to play viper on lotus when i normally play omen on lotus so this will be really helpful!
Do you listen to Metallica? Love your vids btw, I climbed from b3 to G3 in one act but I dropped to G2 sadly
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT IM LOOKING FOR TY BANANA
I love nAts' gameplay. You learn a lot.
ua-cam.com/video/OhU4huRgEvQ/v-deo.html&ab_channel=DomA here's the tree molly guys :DD just quickly messed around with, can always be refined ofc.
I am finally gold thanks whj love u ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Hey whj, at 6:22, if you would put the second wall, coming from b a little bit more to the right, you could also wall off the box on the left on the way to a, do you think that would also make sense or do you think its bad since it gives a little more space for the enemy?
I made a gross B lineup for molly and orb that oneways and mollys the defuser
Im jumping in joy rn
Banana senapi, you even put the images in the description. I am on my controller arc and omen is my main. But I wanted to try out viper because I like her utility a lot (since they damage the enemy)
But I fail miserable everytime. I am low elo (gold3 peak lmao) and this might help me to gain some elo ? I think its good to learn and I will learn using the valo plants and the your analysis.
Thank you for your efforts, I am forever grateful
47:36 i think it literally lands outside the map lmao
"na but he's a pro, the molly must have landed"
I m currently confused what agent to main now I usually played chamber before Nerf but now I play fade but I m not so good at it I also used to main viper before chamber was in the game so I m pretty confused 😢😐😣
Chamber is still viable on most maps if you can aim REALLY well.
Was just doing a pro analasys on nats lotus earlier today to start playing viper on lotus
Just to add on to this, on the vod I watched he threw a different wall on defense every round that went from waterfall too a lobby
Today I learned you can wallbang the tree.
I have also watched his play yesterday and missed many important points that you highlighted here!
29:50 Pro tip, you can move frame by frame on youtube videos by pressing "," or ".", much easier than going back 5 seconds to find something specific
Wow, never knew that, thanks :)
Bro I literally made my own viper lotus nats playbook 2 days ago and then this drops 💀💀💀
Wohoojin love the vids just wanted to asked what’s the coolness meter for, it kinda makes the actual gameplay hard to see, if like u could only put ur voice over and the screen of the gameplay on the yt vids it would be great, again this is just my opinion and you don’t have to do anything, idk I just thought I should point it out. Other than that much love and I prolly just have shitty eyesight
Edit- I saw ur comment, LMAO thx for caring about ur yt viewers 💯❤
5:23 did he just pick up his viper wall??
anyone know the first video woohoojin talked about "strong side", i think i understand the concept but i'm not sure
Bind VOD reviews iirc, that's where I remember hearing him first explain the concept at least.
@@austint8121 ty i will look it up
it pogs my gourd when banana man uses egg lingo
The orb at 4-3 might not be winged if u think he plays with a duo and they might need to do both use utility at the start of the round
I still don’t understand how his defensive wall works. I just don’t see how I’m supposed to use it.
Sucks that I can't sub on Discord because I'm on the process of building a new house but one thing I've learned over the free yt pro and rank vod analysis videos is how to analyze pro vods more effectively and it has helped me have better decision making in ranked and have better pattern recognition that I seem to have trouble in fps games like CS and Val. These episode has been kind of slow for me considering outside factors I need to do but your content scratches that itch of competitive strategy that I can't seem to find in my swiftplay and unrated games
34:50 if being low elo is the cost then I welcome it
Can you add the playbook to the description of the video?
Oops! Should be there now
@@Woohoojin it is, thank you
@woohoojin 44:55 You can hear him in the vod saying "oh Blin, I missed" ua-cam.com/video/yMY69vyl3_M/v-deo.html. Also he is lining up his walking path with the bell before the stairs
A lot of 4:3 tech is about crosshairs lineups. As HUD UI is stretched
I am a simple viewer, I see a pro analises video made by my favorite banana, a controller vod (not pANcada, unfortunately ) in a map that I like, one hour long and I click
I love how Banana man adores how good nAts is. Me and you man! Then there's my friends who call him an overrated one trick. Dumbasses
29:32 sky-pixel lineup?
What is overheat pathing? Does anybody know, I may have heard wrong not sure
FINALLYYYYY OMGGGGFF 😭😭😭😭
Anyone know where we can find the playbooks?
Just added to description!
Wouldn't a wall from B all the way to the rotating door on A be a better wall as solo controller ? then you can ancor C yourself or orb for your C player.
Or nAts doens't even bother with A because it is their strong side ?
mr banana can u do a pro analysis on marved? I watch him alot and would love to see your analysis on his gameplay
Did you ever solve the viper Molly to tree from CT Spawn
Common Woohoojin W
I love pro analysis
46:45 nats said that he missed the lineup
I think your first viper wall is a bit different than the one nAts throws.
Hey woohoojin how do i get out of gold?
is there a free way of making these playbooks on valoplant or any other site
You forgot to link the valoplant screenshot in the description?
Oops! Should be there now
Great content and it's free 🔥
Anyone know a good counter strat for viper walls?
after watching this video, yesterday i was in someone's chat and someone said 'someone just threw my game because i asked why we have solo viper on lotus". should i only play viper if we have another controller? anyone feel free to answer lol
nAts is my inspiration
After my 100h in customs with viper I can get any lineup after like 2 seconds of looking at it.
where can I get access to the play book?
Im brand new. Like legit less than 3 months of play. I frequently am turbo confused by the very basics of space control using smokes and walls.
EX: This smoke is in x place. I have observed that with my eyes. I have no idea what that means for me and how im supposed to leverage the benefit of that wall or smoke. Conversely, i didn't know i was fucking up THAT bad by interacting with that wall or smoke in X way when its the other teams shit.
I dont understand the objective of a wall or smoke by looking at it further than "they cannot see me while i stand behind this"
i understand that this is a mega novice concept but i figured if im having this issue there are a lot of others that probably are as well so i'm sure it can make for solid content for you. I hope you are having a great day dude.
Day 1 of asking banana man to make a tier list of the controller, duelist and the initiator agents. So a tier list of their own class for all those three. Have a nice day!
bless up banana man
I’ve also seen him wall in water fall to block a main. Let’s the team fight a main as well as give space in mid b
W nAts W Banana
That video help me a lots
I'm a simple man. I see banana, I click on video.
Day 8 of thankingwoohoojin for daily uploads and getting us out of elo hell
3:34 That's a default wall I've been seeing this season in pro play. It gives slight more space to work with (not significant) but it covers the double box near A stairs that Jett/Chamber can op from. The downside is that it doesn't cover heaven but if you're running a double controller comp, you don't need to worry about it 🤗
Maybe figure out a jump throw lineup for heaven?
@@Yafama You could but the fuel for Viper drains too quick for both of them to be active and you need the wall up as much as possible if you’re hitting A
Banana Facts #5 A banana is a berry not a fruit. This is because botanically a berry contains seeds inside the flesh, not outside.
App for screenshot?
Day 12 of saying Good Morning to Woohoojin because he streams too late.
Also for the molly at 33:00 do we jump then throw or jump and throw at the same time? I don’t know if that affects the lineup tho.
try both in a custom to get the timing down. the first time you try smt like this shouldn’t be in coml
nats.. more like insane strats
I do all of those walls 😂
First or not, we're all learners here...
Not even close 😭
Yay
real
W VIDEO BANANA mAn
bro is overthinking everything lmao
For freee?!??
boomer to diamond over?
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26 seconds
first or something
first
waiting for someone to drop that molly for tree 🪑