Not sure anyone will read this four years after the video was posted, but wanted to add a couple of comments having just completed a similar ground level TimberTech deck (13’ x 27’): 1. Great pair of videos-very thorough and you are kind of adorably dorky; good combination for watchability in my opinion 😊. 2. I followed the TimberTech guide for deck building and my framing looked essentially the same as yours with adjustments to fit my specific layout. I went with 12” o.c. joist spacing even though TT allows 16” spacing because I’ve seen too many wavy decks using composite decking and I didn’t want subtle sagging to occur over time since this stuff is expected to last for decades. That said, a bit of waviness is simply inherent when using PVC-based composite decking and that’s one of the tradeoffs for using a product that requires minimal maintenance. 3. PVC-based composite decking is a ton better than it used to be 10 or 15 years ago, but it’s still subject to significantly more expansion and contraction than wood decking (hence the spacing requirements in the installation guidelines). For that reason, I would strongly recommend using the same fastening method on any single board: either face installed fasteners (as you did with the frame boards) OR concealed fasteners as you mostly did with the interior grooved boards. Anchoring the ends of the boards with face installed fasteners (which prevent expansion and contraction in the long direction) and using the concealed fasteners on the rest of the boards (which allow expansion and contraction) will actually contribute to more waviness in the boards. You can probably get away with it in a mild climate such as Seattle, but it will almost certainly create problems in the majority of US climate zones during the hotter months of the year. The one exception is that last board up against the house where you have clips on one side of the board and face installed screws against the house. 4. You can use Trex starter clips on the first grooved board along the outside frame board instead of face screwing; they are compatible with TimberTech boards. 5. I wish I had known about those Camo clips before I did my deck; they look to be SOOOO much easier to use than the TimberTech concealed fasteners that have to be screwed in at a 45 degree angle, which makes it really hard to get consistent board spacing. Having the spacer and fastener guide in a single unit and being able to screw straight down from above would have saved me HOURS of installation time. Thanks for a couple of great videos!
It's amazing to see someone who goes above and beyond! Thank you for putting everything into this project. Most "DYI" videos try and make it too easy by shipping steps. This is what I was missing. Thank you 😊
I love hearing comments like this Reyvin because I take great pride in producing high quality DIY videos that ACTUALLY teach others how to build and create. Glad to know that you see the value in that. Thanks for watching and all of the support.
Awesome tutorial man you do stellar work. I was building decks with my neighbor for a while and there’s a lot here we didn’t but should have done. Thanks for the tips!
That turned out great! I re-did my deck seven years ago with Trex decking and used their hidden fastening system. Loved it! I did a double board frame around my deck in a dark brown and the center boards in a lighter brown. The contrast turned out nice. I also used the Cortex hidden fastener plugs for all my white vinyl step riser boards and outer joist boards. Those plugs are a great product.
Looks incredible! I'll be building approximately 16m x 6m deck this year, hopefully. I'll make sure to watch these 2 videos a few times before I start and probably during too
Love hearing that Gerardo. I'm a one man team and it takes time to set up all the camera shots sometimes but it is worth it. Thanks so much for watching and hope you subscribed.
Deck building is fun. I have done a series for a job combined with roofgardens and concrete ornaments. Was fun and I loved the teamwork behind it. He's doing it the same as we did. Only with different measures. Perfect example of how to build one. Maybe I will make a comeback years after the rage quit.
Really appreciate your comment and so glad the workmanship comes through in the video. Put my all in this project. Thanks so much or watching and hope you subscribed.
All that hard work pays off in the end. So glad you can see the dedication because I take pride in my work. Thanks so much for watching and hope you subscribed.
Being an old retired carpenter with a nasty attitude , i was ready to trash your video prior to viewing . Unfortunately your deck is so nice that i can’t find anything to complain about . Thanks a lot . 🤬
What I'm more impressed with is HOW did you get the username You Tube?! haha. Nice one and great to hear that I have fans in Belgium. Thanks for watching.
It completely grinds my gears that this and other fastening systems cannot realize that everyone and their dog has an impact driver now and has for 10 frickin years. Put a damn impact rated bit in the box. Nice deck.
Greatly appreciate the kind words JD. I take pride in the work I produce so I love hearing comments like this. Thanks so much for watching and hope you subscribed.
wow man. amazing work. ive been watching all sorts of DIY stuff on here lately and its making me really consider buying land and building my own house haha
@BYOT Deck looks great.. I build decks for a living and glad to see a video of one being built the proper way.. Have you ever used Hidfast nails? I use them more than the clips and goes a lot faster. One thing I would mention about the cortex screws is to make sure you go straight down so you have a perfect hole for your plugs. If the screw is angled a little your plug doesn't fit great in the hole.. Also if you should happen to have to remove a board you should take the felt off the bit first and replacing the felt the same way you took it off(shiny side in). If you don't you'll leave a ring around your hole that doesn't go away and sticks out like a sore thumb. Also DON'T use a hammer that has a waffle print on it.. You don't want a waffle print on that big stick of butter lol..
Great to hear Tom and all great points. Never used Hidfast nails. I never try to cut corners, especially with a project of this size so it means a lot when I hear a comment like yours. Thanks for watching and the support.
FYI. Timbertech is the brand, Azek is the model or level of board. They have the Azek, Pro, and Edge trim levels. All three levels have different collections within each. We’re looking at the Timbertech Pro for our new deck this spring.
Wow, I can hardly believe it, but there is really a video from the USA about building a terrace that really respects wood protection and not like many other terraces built by fools. Which rotten faster than the video lasts. Greetings from Germany.
I would put a roof on say about a 1/3 to 1/2 of the decking for a year round use. You really can't use it during the rainy season or on those cold winters. Great job over all👍.
Thanks for much for watching Savann and YES a pergola is a project that I hope to tackle sometime this summer. Thanks for the support and hope you subscribed.
Куда дели землю и кустарник? ;-) Хорошая работа, понравились заглушки под отверстия. Привет из России. Отличная подача видео материала. Удачи. Where did you divide the earth and the bush? ;-) Good work, I liked the plugs for the holes. Greetings from Russia. Excellent presentation of video material. Good luck.
This is a superb video. I learned a lot from this two video demonstration. My big question is how to do the foundation for a deck that's next to a per & beam house that is two feet off the ground? I also have clay soil and to dig down like this only makes a hole that will hold water for days creating serious mosquitos and other problems.
The bits not made for an impact driver it's made for a bit holder to use in a screwdriver or drill driver. Impact bits are black and made of a different material to cope with the impact forces
I do understand that Bennie but when your spending that much on fasteners I would like to see a bit that can hold up no mater what drill you use. Thanks for watching and your input. Much appreciated.
I noticed a bit of waving in the deck when you had the camera down low focused on the hidden fasteners (Around the 8:00 to 8:15 mark in the video). Do you notice any sagging or waviness to the boards with the 16" OC vs 12" OC for example?
REALLLY?!!! Interesting. Do you just heat them with a torch? I know what you are talking about since I've watched Forged In Fire haha. Thanks for the great tip Nuke.
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Not sure anyone will read this four years after the video was posted, but wanted to add a couple of comments having just completed a similar ground level TimberTech deck (13’ x 27’):
1. Great pair of videos-very thorough and you are kind of adorably dorky; good combination for watchability in my opinion 😊.
2. I followed the TimberTech guide for deck building and my framing looked essentially the same as yours with adjustments to fit my specific layout. I went with 12” o.c. joist spacing even though TT allows 16” spacing because I’ve seen too many wavy decks using composite decking and I didn’t want subtle sagging to occur over time since this stuff is expected to last for decades. That said, a bit of waviness is simply inherent when using PVC-based composite decking and that’s one of the tradeoffs for using a product that requires minimal maintenance.
3. PVC-based composite decking is a ton better than it used to be 10 or 15 years ago, but it’s still subject to significantly more expansion and contraction than wood decking (hence the spacing requirements in the installation guidelines). For that reason, I would strongly recommend using the same fastening method on any single board: either face installed fasteners (as you did with the frame boards) OR concealed fasteners as you mostly did with the interior grooved boards. Anchoring the ends of the boards with face installed fasteners (which prevent expansion and contraction in the long direction) and using the concealed fasteners on the rest of the boards (which allow expansion and contraction) will actually contribute to more waviness in the boards. You can probably get away with it in a mild climate such as Seattle, but it will almost certainly create problems in the majority of US climate zones during the hotter months of the year. The one exception is that last board up against the house where you have clips on one side of the board and face installed screws against the house.
4. You can use Trex starter clips on the first grooved board along the outside frame board instead of face screwing; they are compatible with TimberTech boards.
5. I wish I had known about those Camo clips before I did my deck; they look to be SOOOO much easier to use than the TimberTech concealed fasteners that have to be screwed in at a 45 degree angle, which makes it really hard to get consistent board spacing. Having the spacer and fastener guide in a single unit and being able to screw straight down from above would have saved me HOURS of installation time.
Thanks for a couple of great videos!
I’ve been building houses and decks for 40 years. Most DIY guys don’t use a border board. It drives me insane !
Well done ! Very good job.
your soft voice and your exquisite pronunciation of each letter of each word induced me in a placid sleep
haha! Hope that is a good thing :) Thanks for watching.
Now I see why decks cost so much when being built properly. Looks beautiful and strong.
You are a true "Craftsman". Well done!
It's amazing to see someone who goes above and beyond! Thank you for putting everything into this project. Most "DYI" videos try and make it too easy by shipping steps. This is what I was missing. Thank you 😊
I love hearing comments like this Reyvin because I take great pride in producing high quality DIY videos that ACTUALLY teach others how to build and create. Glad to know that you see the value in that. Thanks for watching and all of the support.
I would have lost my mind plugging all those holes. And thank you for giving me the opportunity to say that.
Haha right?! Thanks so much for watching Lebron and congrats on the championship...... lol! Hope you subscribed.
Now that's a workmanship. I would never sell my house after that.
Awesome tutorial man you do stellar work. I was building decks with my neighbor for a while and there’s a lot here we didn’t but should have done. Thanks for the tips!
Remember when you were a kid and couldn’t understand why everyone had back pain? I’m older now and I understand why.
That turned out great! I re-did my deck seven years ago with Trex decking and used their hidden fastening system. Loved it! I did a double board frame around my deck in a dark brown and the center boards in a lighter brown. The contrast turned out nice. I also used the Cortex hidden fastener plugs for all my white vinyl step riser boards and outer joist boards. Those plugs are a great product.
Looks incredible! I'll be building approximately 16m x 6m deck this year, hopefully. I'll make sure to watch these 2 videos a few times before I start and probably during too
You went above and beyond with this deck. Well done!!
👏👍🤙✌
Great to hear nick and thanks so much for watching. This thing is definitely built to last haha! Hope you subscribed.
Gotta admit, that was a hell of a good job. Dude killed it.
Greatly appreciate the kind words Matt. Deck really did turn out great. Glad you enjoyed the video and hope you subscribed.
The only thing better than the actual building is the film quality or video quality. Perfect camera work easy to understand and follow. Bravo!
Love hearing that Gerardo. I'm a one man team and it takes time to set up all the camera shots sometimes but it is worth it. Thanks so much for watching and hope you subscribed.
Deck building is fun. I have done a series for a job combined with roofgardens and concrete ornaments. Was fun and I loved the teamwork behind it. He's doing it the same as we did. Only with different measures. Perfect example of how to build one. Maybe I will make a comeback years after the rage quit.
I love building decks, too!
wow, patience + dedication + skill = Awesome result. Congrat man.
Love hearing that An and thanks so much for sharing. I take pride in my work and glad it shows. Thanks so much for watching and hope you subscribed.
I have no interest in building a deck, but ur videos are awesome and entertaining so here i am watching them 10am.
Keep up the good work 👍
Love hearing that Eetu. Thanks for watching and glad the video was at least entertaining haha.
This guy is a true professional...Nice!
Much appreciated 00. Thanks so much fro watching and hope you subscribed.
Little tip, When cutting a 90 degree miter joint, make sure you cut it at 44,5 degrees, and not 45
It's always more enjoyable watching a DIY video when there is pride taken into the work (such as this one).
Great job !
Really appreciate your comment and so glad the workmanship comes through in the video. Put my all in this project. Thanks so much or watching and hope you subscribed.
Wow dude that thing is freakin beautiful.
This dedication to this deck is admirable,you sure put some love and responsibility into it 👌
All that hard work pays off in the end. So glad you can see the dedication because I take pride in my work. Thanks so much for watching and hope you subscribed.
@@BYOTools no problem,and I hope you never forget the dedication you put into it
Nicely done....overbuilt to perfection. I'm sure you had a happy client.
Very happy, which is always a good feeling. Thanks for watching Barry and hope you subscribed.
Not overbuilt for the code requirements here in the PNW where we can have wind storms, earthquakes, tons of rain, snow, etc.
Being an old retired carpenter with a nasty attitude , i was ready to trash your video prior to viewing .
Unfortunately your deck is so nice that i can’t find anything to complain about . Thanks a lot . 🤬
I take that as quite a complement Sirios. Glad to hear you enjoyed the video and thank you for watching.
Part 2 is just as good as part 1, a job well done.
Great to hear Janes. Thanks again for watching and all the support.
An absolute impeccable job
Great to hear Gman and thanks for watching. Greatly appreciate the support.
Your voice sounds like a dad telling a bed story~ very gentle and mild
I'm going to take that as a complement, right?! haha! Thanks for watching GO.
@@BYOTools haha, yes!
incredible work
Great to hear Mohd and thanks so much for watching.
You're deck came out great but you HAVE TO BE related in some way to The Bourbon Moth guy LOL
Love this guy, the homeowner is so lucky
Great to hear Griffin and thanks so much for watching. Hope you subscribed.
Nice job! it will become even more beautiful when the wood turns gray. Greetings from 🇧🇪 Belgium
The wood will never turn grey because it's not actually wood but is plastic.
What I'm more impressed with is HOW did you get the username You Tube?! haha. Nice one and great to hear that I have fans in Belgium. Thanks for watching.
It completely grinds my gears that this and other fastening systems cannot realize that everyone and their dog has an impact driver now and has for 10 frickin years. Put a damn impact rated bit in the box. Nice deck.
RIGHT?!! How hard it that especially when you are spending $100's on fasteners. Thanks for watching JN and hope you subscribed.
That’s why most every tool mfr sells drills in a set-regular drill and impact driver. Use the right tool for the job.
Wow this is perfection! Craftsmanship is so underrated these days
You should project manage deck works !!! No body does such quality work here in new zealanf
Finally a deck that is a decent size. Thanks! :)
RIGHT?! haha. Thanks for watching.
Thank you, incredible job. I really appreciate the effort and detail you put into it. I wish my contractors had your integrity. Take care
Greatly appreciate the kind words JD. I take pride in the work I produce so I love hearing comments like this. Thanks so much for watching and hope you subscribed.
BYOT you got it bud. New sub. Take care
Those plugs finish it beautifully
Right?!! Haha! They are amazing. Thanks for watching Justin.
wow man. amazing work. ive been watching all sorts of DIY stuff on here lately and its making me really consider buying land and building my own house haha
LOVE IT and that would be my DREAM! One day for sure. Thanks for watching and hope you subscribed.
@BYOT Deck looks great.. I build decks for a living and glad to see a video of one being built the proper way.. Have you ever used Hidfast nails? I use them more than the clips and goes a lot faster. One thing I would mention about the cortex screws is to make sure you go straight down so you have a perfect hole for your plugs. If the screw is angled a little your plug doesn't fit great in the hole.. Also if you should happen to have to remove a board you should take the felt off the bit first and replacing the felt the same way you took it off(shiny side in). If you don't you'll leave a ring around your hole that doesn't go away and sticks out like a sore thumb. Also DON'T use a hammer that has a waffle print on it.. You don't want a waffle print on that big stick of butter lol..
Great to hear Tom and all great points. Never used Hidfast nails. I never try to cut corners, especially with a project of this size so it means a lot when I hear a comment like yours. Thanks for watching and the support.
all I can say is "wow", nice job!
Great to hear Sergej. Thanks for watching and all the support.
Honestly, this might be the perfect deck.
My thoughts exactly Tao haha! Thanks for watching and glad you liked the video.
You are a perfectionist.............And your work shows it. I get it....I'm the same way.
Great to hear that comes through in the video. I work very hard to get that across in all of my videos. Thanks for watching!
Not a perfectionist but a salesman 😂
Go back to video 1 and start adding up the costs… you could buy a new house with the money he wants you to spend
Lets get started or "lezgestarted" lol
looks great love the videos!
You are a maystro .your work is clean and so nice .bravooooo
Great to hear Amina and thanks for the kind words. Hope you subscribed.
FYI. Timbertech is the brand, Azek is the model or level of board. They have the Azek, Pro, and Edge trim levels. All three levels have different collections within each. We’re looking at the Timbertech Pro for our new deck this spring.
Wow, I can hardly believe it, but there is really a video from the USA about building a terrace that really respects wood protection and not like many other terraces built by fools.
Which rotten faster than the video lasts.
Greetings from Germany.
It must be the German in me haha! Great to hear Tommy and thanks so much for watching. Greatly appreciate the support and hope you subscribed.
Wow, you are so precise and meticulous. I'm impressed!
Great to hear and thanks so much for watching and appreciating the work I put into each of my videos ZM! Hope you subscribed.
Great to hear ZM and thanks so much for watching and appreciating the detail I put into each one of my videos. Hope you subscribed.
Bad ass project. Turned out great.
Thanks for watching bud!
This is A perfect deck i've ever seen
Great to hear. Thanks for watching.
Need to get out more, u build a wavey deck in oz, u aint getting paid
love how you tell us what to do but dislike when you talk to yourself
I’ll try to keep the talking to myself at a minimum haha! Thanks for watching Shane.
Turned out great....keep up the great work....
Thanks for watching and the support Luis.
Great job!
You professional and doing great job
Great to hear Hassan. Thanks so much for watching and hope you subscribed.
Like your channel a lot. Congratulations and thank you for your time. Great videos, and the deck is awesome.
Thanks so much for watching and the support. Greatly appreciated.
That’s a beautiful project, wish i saw these videos before i build mine a few years ago 😊!
Really good piece of work, very neat finish.
Gotta Say great Build, Great Planning and on point! Def a great builder, the quality is 💯 good job bro
I would put a roof on say about a 1/3 to 1/2 of the decking for a year round use. You really can't use it during the rainy season or on those cold winters. Great job over all👍.
Whom he learn skills from lot young kids need this kind of teaching experience.
yep you had created that big gorgeous beast of a deck 👍👍👍 and you do it alone excellent Sir
Amazing workmanship....i love the plugs, such a nice system...im sure its quite expensive
Thanks so much and yes the fasteners are expensive but Soooooo Worth it in the end. Thanks for watching and hope you subscribed.
Well done looks excellent
Thanks so much LSM. Greatly appreciate your support.
Love your attention to detail let me know if you need help, I'm impressed
Great to hear Frank and thanks so much for watching. Hope you subscribed.
This is amazing work. I really enjoyed the video and commentary!
Great to hear Alexia and thanks so much for watching. Hope you subscribed :)
@@BYOTools Of course!! 👍🏽
wow! That's so nice. man, you should build a pergola.
Thanks for much for watching Savann and YES a pergola is a project that I hope to tackle sometime this summer. Thanks for the support and hope you subscribed.
Great job I love it
Great to hear Eddy. Thanks for watching and hope you subscribed.
that is a nice deck , good job
just found this video. I'm planning on something similar. great job explaining everything! thank you
Great to hear Patrick and thanks for watching. Hope you subscribed.
What a perfect project bro
Great to hear GB. Thanks for watching and hope you subscribed.
Awesome job man.
Great to hear Samuel. Thanks so much for watching and hope you subscribed.
Куда дели землю и кустарник? ;-) Хорошая работа, понравились заглушки под отверстия. Привет из России. Отличная подача видео материала.
Удачи.
Where did you divide the earth and the bush? ;-) Good work, I liked the plugs for the holes. Greetings from Russia. Excellent presentation of video material.
Good luck.
Good to hear I have fans around the world. Thanks for watching and the support.
Beautiful!
Great to hear Herb and thanks for watching. Hope you subscribed.
Well done !
Great to hear Kelly. Thanks for watching and hope you subscribed.
Nice job
Great to hear and thanks for watching Loco.
Sooooo awesome brother looks amazing
Hope you didn't perforate that joist wrapping when you were trimming those board. A tip to slightly bevel your blade to.
❤❤🙏🙏👏👏👍👍amazing bro
Nice deck
Great to hear and thanks for watching Pete.
That turned out so nice. Wow, the plugs are pretty slick
Right?! Amazing. Thanks for watching.
Always amazing work and so well explained . keep up great work love DIY
Great to hear Janna. Thanks so much for watching and the continued support.
Amazing project and well narrated.
Thank for watching Daniel.
big big fan of your videos over the years joined your BYOT patreon looking forward to your future work!
Greatly appreciate all of the Love and Support Wade. Keep on watching and I'll keep on creating.
Like, subscribed and commented. Thanks for the vids!
Outstanding! You got a new sub!!!
Great to hear Tufan and thanks so much for the support. It is greatly appreciated.
Outstanding!
Great to hear Dee. Thanks so much for watching.
I definitely have a few valid criticisms, but there is no getting around the finish product came out nice.
There is always room for growth, right? haha. Thanks for watching and glad to hear you enjoyed the finished product.
@@BYOTools Check out Essential Craftsman’s video on string line technique. A simple cost-free way to up your game a notch.
Nice deck!!! A little wavy tho looking down the length of it
Ya it doesn’t look wavy in person but I did catch that in one of the video shots. Odd. Thanks for watching Thomas.
Nice 👍
Great job.
Great to hear and thanks for watching. Hope you subscribed.
best deck video
This is a superb video. I learned a lot from this two video demonstration. My big question is how to do the foundation for a deck that's next to a per & beam house that is two feet off the ground? I also have clay soil and to dig down like this only makes a hole that will hold water for days creating serious mosquitos and other problems.
Great to hear and thanks for watching. What are do you live in and do you know your frost line. Your frost line will dictate how deep you need to go.
Brilliant
After watching your job done, I don't think I can find anyone to do my deck.
Haha yep its a large task but so worth it in the end. thanks for watching Richard.
AHHHMAZING! Looks better than a whole stick of buttah!
Haha damn straight Teresa. Thanks for watching and glad you liked the final product.
The bits not made for an impact driver it's made for a bit holder to use in a screwdriver or drill driver. Impact bits are black and made of a different material to cope with the impact forces
I do understand that Bennie but when your spending that much on fasteners I would like to see a bit that can hold up no mater what drill you use. Thanks for watching and your input. Much appreciated.
I noticed a bit of waving in the deck when you had the camera down low focused on the hidden fasteners (Around the 8:00 to 8:15 mark in the video). Do you notice any sagging or waviness to the boards with the 16" OC vs 12" OC for example?
Wow man! That’s one heck of a project! Nice work 👍🏽
Yes it was haha! Thanks for watching Donovan.
If you want bits to last longer, heat treat em by heating them up and dunking them into used oil.. this hardens them big time...
REALLLY?!!! Interesting. Do you just heat them with a torch? I know what you are talking about since I've watched Forged In Fire haha. Thanks for the great tip Nuke.
Nice job 1000xxx
Great to hear and thanks so much for watching.