God of War Ragnarok Almost Did The Unthinkable...
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Last week, developers over at Santa Monica Studio revealed in an interview podcast that an original story draft for God of War Ragnarok had Kratos die in the first Thor fight of the game. The death of Kratos would be followed by having you play as Atreus, and rescue him from hell 20 years into the future. While Kratos' death would have therefore not been final, many people have gone on to compare the original story concept to how The Last of Us Part II and its story turned out. However, I believe the comparisons aren't necessarily jusitifed. In this video, I discuss my thoughts on the early story idea as well as compare it to The Last of Us Part II, reflecting on how both games did and would have tackled an event like this in their narratives. Thanks for watching!
MinnMax God of War Ragnarok Interview: • God Of War Ragnarok’s ... - Ігри
Kratos dying has been done several times in the Greek saga. I'm glad we got to experience a full mythology where he didn't die.
He died in the Thor fight
Bro he died and got revived by thor lol
@@KD400_ He didn't die, lets say he got knocked out hard and went to sleep. The Thor woke him up with thunder. Kratos wont from just that hammer slam.
Death can have him when it earns him !!
@@soulaimaneakdah268he die because the dying loading screen came up
I never saw the likeness to Sindri but now that you mention it I cant unsee it
I must say, I love the idea of “hit with a golfstick” as a phrase for killing a character off just for shock value. Like “jumping the shark” means to go too overboard in a show.
Joel wasn't killed off for the purpose of shock value...
@@50calbullet He was.
There is no God of War without Kratos.
That’s what I keep saying!
But people in the comment section always hate me for it.
It’s probably because they are new players who have as much attachment to Atreus as to Kratos.
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YES
@@dimeterchevaeros8480 I mean, eventually Kratos is gonna be an old man I would be fine changing the protagonist so long as it's done properly
@@dimeterchevaeros8480no it’s because Kratos’ story reached its satisfactory end and people don’t want the franchise to end lol
So many do accept the idea
They sent him to hell several times already, he died/went to hell in pretty much every God of war Game before the reboot.
Don't look a single thing like sindri lol
@Numpteez it's not clear at all. You may see it but others do not, I don't see it at all and I've played gow a lot and I've seen plenty of robins videos... was honestly, perplexed when he said ppl compared him to sindri.
I'm bald. I apparently look like every bald person to have ever existed. Mr. Clean, Johnny Sins, Jeff Bezos, Vin Diesel, Richard Moll from Night Court, etc.
Me just reading the thumbnail “Kratos has a golf game?”
Great watch as always 👊🏿
Personally I think it would of been too big of a time jump for Atreus. Now if he’s 18-early 20s in the next game . At least we seen his journey to becoming a man rather then going from kid straight to adult.
So glad they stuck to the official story
You know how there's Handsome Squidward?
You're Handsome Sindri.
Why I'm not surprised about this.
I agree with you. I don't have a problem with Joel's death but how it was executed. The new characters feel boring and one-dimentional. You can literally tell that they didn't know what to do with them half of the time and had to think of ways of getting rid of them to be able to continue the Ellie/Abby storyline (Dina too sick to join Ellie & staying at the hotel, Jesse & Abby's friends getting killed off, etc). The thing I hate about Tlou2 so much is the terrible writing.
Oh I get your point to an extent about the last of us part 2. But they hang up is they actually didn’t show Joel that much in trailers. After the first teaser everyone was wondering if he came as a vision or memory when Ellie was sitting with a guitar in an abandoned house. Then they focused on the gameplay where nothing was said about Joel. So you can only assume they did all of their marketing choices to sell the product and mislead people. With Druckmann’s antics I’d lean this easy as well, but ultimately judging it as a story on it’s own, it’s decent. There were other ways to tell that everyone is violent and it’s not gonna lead to good outcome, but they decided it was more of a statement to show it like they did. My problem is how would they continue with pet 3. I just don’t see a way to organically continue with Ellie as main character or Ellie/Abby pair when they are broken mentally and physically. How many years would have to pass until they can go forward on a mission of finding fireflies? I guess there is a easy to pair them together and finally get a vaccine, but is that an interesting concept? I doubt it is.
One definitely misleading thing was they replaced Jesse with Joel in one of the story trailers where he says something like, “you thought I’d let you do this on your own?” That being said, I don’t necessarily mind killing off Joel if the story is done well, but like Robin, I just didn’t really care for any of the characters, except maybe Abby a little by the end
@@TheBlueGoldenHawk oh yes, forgot about them replacing Jesse with Joel in that trailer, that wasn’t great. But i guess my point on this is i liked the game, even though i agree those marketing decisions were not honest to us fans of the first game and those decisions are gonna affect the sales of Part 3, deservingly so.
@@TheBlueGoldenHawk When she bit off Ellies fingers? lol
@@ParanoidBobby I meant over the course when you play as her, but even then I didn’t care about her that much
When I saw the first trailer for that.. with Abby hanging and we dident know her name at the time I thought it was flash backs of ellies mother or maybe Sarah survived lol oh to be hopeful
That was close!
Always loved to see people getting worked up over The Last of Us Part II years later after it's release. Naughty Dog took the risk the result is paid off, despite the leaks. It makes both of the game unforgettable whether you agree or not with the direction of the story.
Nice, new Sindri video.
Great video Sindri
The fact that GoW Ragnarok sold 11M copies in only 3 months while TLOUP2 needed 2 years to hit 10M copies proves that Naughty dog lost a lot of sales and that they should've made a typical sequel instead of following a direction that nobody predicted.
Joel's death was inevitable since he belongs to a brutal unforgiving world. But to kill him off at the very beginning of the sequel and to force the player to empathize with his killer was just too harsh to accept...
It's also sad that a fantastic character like Joel was only meant to be the protagonist of a single game while Kratos, Nathan Drake and others were the protagonists of many games.
Joel dying was something that was bound to happen imo, my issue is the lame plot that they used to make him die.
The daughter of that random doctor from the first game wants revenge, seriously this was the best that they could come up with? Joel forsook humanity with his choice in TLoU 1 so instead of us getting a cool plot about everyone hunting Joel down because he took the cure away from humanity we instead get a "you killed my dad" plot.
False equivalency TLOU 2 came out during a pandemic lol
Also God of War has a much wider appeal to the audience worldwide it has existed for decades! The mythology it is tied to do has a massive audience that has lasted for centuries.
The point is don't be surprised if Spider-Man outsells God of War like it did last time. There's usually more than one factor to look in all aspects of life
100% agree with everything you said, Joel dying was inevitable but the way they did it, plus the marketing was a straight middle finger to the fans.
The funny is the fanboys of tlou part 2 say it was bold to. Kill Joel off but everyone with a single brain cell would already suspect that he would died, bold would be killing off Elie but would be dumb too
oh my god I totally see the sindri comparison that's awesome haha
even if Kratos HAD died in Ragnarok - SMS would have still treated the character with respect & reverence, and not bullet us with flashbacks that lessen the impact of his death.
The Last of Us II did neither of these things.
Omg I can’t unsee it now
You do look like Sindri 😂😂
I knew it when i saw them defending Neil for his story telling when part 2 dropped and all the well deserved backlash hit naughty dog the guys from santa monica were trying to defend those horrible decisions Neil made and i was like end of gow 2018 showed Kratos dying are we getting another golfstick like we just saw in TLOU part 2 and it was at that point i was like ok time to switch to Xbox because Diversity is more important than Great Storytelling
That would have made the game very Kino, instead they missed that opportunity. Maybe they can adapt that alternative timeline in a graphic novel or something.
On the episode 3 thing, it’s objectively very good television. That episode is well made and everything but the problem is that it doesn’t serve the plot. Nothing that happens around Bill and Frank influences Joel and Ellie it’s pretty shallow. The show seems to do this episode 3 onwards. Introduce new characters and background that never appeared in the game that ultimately end up not meaning anything like the girl baddie from episode 4 and 5. The game was wise to cut the fat, the show seems to add fat.
Omg your Sindri 🤣
Kinda sounds dope having get Atreus to rescue Kratos from hel
The most recent God of War games are nothing but The Last of Us in a different setting and in a more open world.
And a better executed TLOU Part II
@@kitsapdrummer a hopeful version. They don’t have the balls to step in that realm but makes sense because kratos is the franchise.
I love both of the games
They’re both kind of different though. The gameplay between characters in TLOU is practically similar, whereas God of War, unless they pulled having Atreus wielding both the axe and the blades, it still wouldn’t feel natural in a way.
Regarding the topic about game companies being “upfront” about their narratives with the audience, I kind of disagree. There are games and stories that pull twists and turns without solid foundation (*ahem* Rise of Skywalker) but TLOU? The hints are there to lead you into Part II’s narrative. And I would dare say that the TV show is even making these more apparent. The Part II leak was one of the worst things that happened to that game and it still baffles me to this day why would someone want to get spoiled by a leak for one of the most anticipated sequels of all time.
Tbh I didn’t see or know anything about the leaks like that. Last of us 2 story goin in blind hit me like a train in the best way possible.
@@everettenjeze6276 I also went blind and was just awestruck by the experience the game offered. I was referring when the story of the game got leaked some weeks (if I remember correctly) before the release and many people started bombing the game, with a lot of youtubers outright saying that they won’t buy the game. I would rather hear someone say that the story is just not for them, hence it is an opinion, than blindly saying that it is “bad, lazy, trash” or this last one which has been my favorite “I just wanted a logical continuation of the story”, as if Joel’s decision at the end of Part I was based on logic.
Nice job shouting out Minn Max. They’re fantastic over there!
The video title got an immediate like from me😂
Didn't Kratos died like 3 times, Ares speared him and send him into the depths of hades or something, in gow 2 Zeus killed him and in gow3 he killed himself and his still alive, so idkw people are bringing up tlou2 into this, people 🤷🏽♂️
Lmao didn't see it before but you do have a bunch of sindris features :)
U deffo look like SINDRI 🤣🤣
I guess that settles it then 😂
@@RobinGaming yes obviously 🤣
I dont see it at all lol. I haven't played the GOW games though, maybe it's something to do with the mannerisms?
I can see Sindri in the hair, that's about it. If that beard gets full we may have actual Sindri on the channel 😂
Thank god , they came to their senses and didn’t go with that crap draft.
About the whole warning the audience thing. I don't mind developers / creatives being a bit more dishonest about what's in store if it serves a purpose. I think knowing Joel was gonna die would have changed the impact. I feel like, we're absolutely supposed to be in Ellie's shoes here. He got his leg shot off. But it's Joel, surely he will survive right? But no. He dies, and it's a shock. And i like that. That's a bit different from what they do in the show with Bill and Frank. The change i don't mind. Having more of them isn't even bad. The story on it's own isn' bad. What's bad is how it literally doesn't matter for the story. You can cut out those 60 min of the episode and the story would lose nothing. Sure, the audience would be left without that part of the story. But that part of the story doesn't matter for the story. Cut it, leave the lazy written letter and you still have the exact same impact on Joel and Ellie's development. Their journey isn't effeted at all. ''Yes but it's the contrast to the Quarantine Zone''. So is Jackson... That Town is a safe and beautiful community were people are Happy. That's your contrast.
''Yes but the themes of Love and what it can do to you etc''. That's what The Last of Us is about. How far Joel eventualy is willing to go for his adopted daughter. And then there's Sam and Henry as well. You got those themes in there. You could do the Bill and Frank storyline, but have it actually feed into the story with it being why Bill ends up helping them. ''Someone once showed me a reason to keep on living. I lived, now let me help you so you can live for her Joel''. Unspoken, but communicated rough flashbacks and that look we give eachother. The change isn't just unexpected. It's like sarting off Avengers Endgame with Howard the duck out drinking for an hour before ''Ooops, here's what you actually came for''. Fat Thor in Avengers Endgame was actually fun. Hulk no actually being in Infinity War was stupid. That didn't have to be a lie. Joel actually dying at the start of Part 2 works because it makes you feel more like what Ellie is feeling. You're angry. It works. In the show, you're expecting Joel and Ellie meets Bill. But instead you get a disconected romance story that leaves Zero impact on the main story. It's dumb. Neil also said early on that in Part 2 you play as Ellie. So we knew it was more about her this time. So Joel's death was a shock... But we never believed we were gonna play as Joel for the full 25 hours. Hell, i didn't even think we were gonna play as him at all. Lying isn't good. Making your fans think they're getting something entierly different is a dick move. Saying ''Oh Hulk is here'' only ti give is NO Hulk at all is bad. But for the sake of lying just to lie.... That's dumb. They could have used shots of Hulk from the start of the movie. There's a reason i've stopped watching most trailers. Because i don't want to form too many ideas of what to expect. I want to go in blind. Trailers either spoil too much or give the wrong idea of what you're about to see. So i'm glad Neil didn't say Joel dies. That would have pissed me off. That story came out at a time in my life where i was well and trouly angry at life. Angry and people who ruined my life. I found a level of peace with the story because it thematicly matched up with how i fealt at the time. And i'm glad i got to experience that blindly. I need it there and then. So i still stand by it being an Amazing game. Most writing flaws people have pointed out to me i can easily argue down. Some have made some decent points. But most points is a matter of taste. And not objectivly bad writing.
As for Kratos dying. I'm glad they did what they did. But a version of the original concept would have been cool. But i'm glad Kratos doesn't have to lose to Thor. In the end of the day, Kratos isn't having a hard time because he's weaker than Thor. He has a hard time because he doesn't want to be a God killer anymore. It's brought him no joy. Only pain. So he spares Thor rather than lose to Thor. But say if Thor and Odin together killed Kratos, that would be Cool.
Holy crap, he really does look like sindry lmfaoo. It’s the head shape.
Robin should direct a game for Sony.
Or at least tell Sony what not to do haha.
Lol @ the Sindri comparison. If you had a fuller beard, I could see it.
Hopefully they haven’t pursued it.
About TLOU2, i understand the concept but the delivery couldn’t be worse. 30 minutes playing as Abby isn’t enough to make you care about her or her friends.
First, the lie about Joel being alive, placing him where he was not, utterly BS.. I agree to that.
Personally, would be a way better game if you played as Abby initially going from Seattle to Jackson. Allowing people to know her.
Then the 2nd arc should have been with Ellie, would have been much better.
I’m very skeptical about anything going forward with ND.
If Kraos died, I legit wouldn't have finished the game myself and would've resorted to watching the story on UA-cam. I got no problem with Atreus, but not playing as Kratos.....
Killing off your poster boy is absolutely. And ppl who try to justify it is just wrong.
He does look like Sindri lmao
Wonder how big the outrage would've been
I dont think Naughty Dog should have told that Joel was gonna die because that would bw outright spoiling. They should have been transparent though like telling us the game will tell a very different story to TLOU 1
What would the difference really be between showing Joel's death in like an E3 demo vs starting the game that way? It's merely the event that starts the actual game and tells you it's gonna be a different kinda game entirely. You still wouldn't have any idea about the 20+ hours that followed or that you'd get to play as Abby etc. The way I see it, that way you're actually just being honest to your audience with what you wanted the next game to be. But Naughty Dog may have figured it's not what their audience had wanted, it wouldn't generate the same sales, and thus they may have as well chosen to hide it for economic reasons. I just find that a case of not being willing to take responsibility for your choices.
@@RobinGaming Because something as significant as Joel’s death should not be relegated to a fucking trailer? You take out all the emotional punch of the death by doing so. Like that’s actually fucking illogical.
@@RobinGaming Maybe, I get what they were trying to do but they should have shown that this is a very different tone like Neil Druckmann says TLOU1 is about love and TLOU2 is about hate. They should have told us that beforehand because then the fanbase would go in to it differently. Add on top of that the leaks and the death itself was cheesy af to me and to most people so it just went wrong and fell apart.
@@willlowry2288 It could have been the E3 demo. The whole section where Joel meets Abby and then gets killed. You'd have the exact same build up, as someone excited for the game you'd have the same reaction as you did playing it, and they'd actually be transparant in communicating with people what the game was going to, or rather definitely not going to be.
@@RobinGaming that would be pretty rough man can you imagine when people played the game like “I gotta know what will happen” then they throw you in playing as Abby lol but yeah they’re marketing was shady to me
I feel bad but I kinda see the sindri thing now tbh
The Abby section of the game was a total waste of time. It tries to get us to sympathize with Abby, but we played as Joel is the original and things are from his perspective, so for them to make a sequel and try to get us to change our feelings about Joel is not something that’s going to happen.
Death can have me when it earns me🔥🔥
Literaly that’s all I was thinking when playing the game. It felt like o was playing naughty dog game in the best way possible. The rumors of them taking inspiration from naughty dog was no lie at all. Playing as Atreus and seeing the perspective of the antagonist the aseir Gods like thor and Odin and understanding their pain and where they come from. The dialogue amongst characters from being completely hilarious to deep and personally. Naughty dog dna injected into God of war. Bravo Sony Santa Monica.
I see it
Sony Santa Monica really copying the last of us every way it can but knew better not to follow through killing kratos
Thank god in heaven for not doing this !!! 😔...For me,there aint no god of war without ma boy kratos,like no uncharted without nathan drake 🙌🏻.Thats my opinion ...💙great vid bro .
Once I finished the game I immediately compared it to The Last of Us 2… glad people agree. I thought I was crazy
As a player of God of War since it's first game from the days of PS2, for me, god of war doesn't exist without kratos. Killing him and forcing me to play as Atreus would not have been the same thing no matter how good the rest of the game.
Now about TLOU 2,
What angered me the most was , just like you said, they were not being honest with the gamers and looking at a business perspective, with their customers. They should be clear and tell everyone upfront that what are they going to buy. This agenda thing really gets under my skin.
To be honest this is not inclusiveness rather it is shoveling gay literature in people's throat.
The throat thing have become a buzzword, but i agree
im kind of sad they made the decision to not go "all in" and went the "safe" route, because it felt exactly like 2018, just continuing the story and not making any huge changes
that's one of the things I loved about it honestly.
@@ethosfm1262 me too, I may be boring but this is exactly the ending I wanted
@@ethosfm1262 i loved it too, but it still makes me feel a bit empty? perhaps? like the devs have been pushed to go the safe route, picture just how loved TLOU2 would be, if they never killed Joel and the whole game would be about just being on a quest with Joel, that seems familiar to GOW Ragnarok, where Kratos and Atreus endevour on a quest, that is not too high stakes as they should be, especially when the world is supposed to end with Ragnarok
I need a DLC or Atreus spinoff kinda like Spiderman Miles Morales. I cant wait another 4-5 years for their next game 😂
Robin I'm sorry to say I see the resemblance between you and Sindri :) but it's not a bad thing!
santa monica skipped the 20 year storyline,......BECAUSE youtubers theorised about it,(and where right) maybe they changed it last minute
Jesus Christ the Atreus switches are already dreadful as they are. I literally cannot replay the game on NG+. Even the Kratos parts are damaged by the ever-present anticipation of the sections I know will come right after them.
Yeah you do kinda look like sindri
Damn I managed to avoid spoilers for a good minute there I guess it’s my fault for not playing the game but the title kinda f*cks it up for me 😂
It's the sexc hair
Are your expectations subverted yet? < Neil druckmann
Holy crap, yeah you do look like sindri.
Kratos can never die, he will just destroy hell itself
kratos pulling a hell escape ala hades would be awesome
The only way that Kratos can die is if he WANTS to die. Until that moment, he's gonna come back every single time, because he's not ready. And the moment that he is ready, we will be there for him to say goodbye.
@@Thedudec he wanted to die at the end of gow 3 and here we are
Death can have him when it earns him !!
the upper half of your face looks like sindri
it'll be interesting to see how season 2 of the show compares to the show, since they aren't straying far from the games. i think episode 3 was good. there was no reason to go that in depth in the game. and it added to the show other than a mindless zombie killfest for that episode. but i think the show feels more natural than the game.
TLOU 2 has become a game now that if you saying anything negative about the game you are labeled a bigot, racist, anti LGBT. Ridiculous
U forgot misogynist (and its funny, cos they can't define woman)
Lets be real, killing main characters is just pure shock value and fishing for a cheap emotional response... it can be very schlocky and hack if not done right
I think some peoples reaction to tlou2 absolutely had an impact on this game. I felt the story needed more stakes and consequences to Kratos at the end. I don't mean he should have died but it felt way too "happy" of an ending. Almost like they were so afraid of the crybaby internet hate army and for this made the game overly safe. Still ofc was a good game just like tlou2.
As for tlou2 the only thing i didn't like about the marketing was that one trailer where they showed Joel in a scene where there ultimately was a different character. Other than that im all for keeping stuff hidden just don't show things that aren't in the game. Im so tired of the tlou2 convo as a whole and cant relate to eather side of the extreme of opinions.
@@mikev8746 it works in a setting like last of us where it’s incredibly grounded and the writer Neil wanted the players to feel an emotion most game designers stay away from because of fear of alienating players. Goes to show beloved characters don’t have plot armor like that which creates tensions, consequences, and stakes for the characters which in my opinion creates and incredibly or badass and entertaining story. God of war is a power fantasy game so of course kratos has to be all powerful and such. Two different genres dealing with the same story themes in different manners that fit their respective genre and setting
Peack cuckery in your comment, mister.
@@mikev8746 many games did it in the past but did they really succeed at the concept. Idk which games your referencing but there is a reason part 2 is still talked about til this day and analyzed to the bone on UA-cam and the internet. Idk one game that got people talking about a game like this. That’s why I believed it did it’s job. And Joel needed to die early because his death is the driving force of the story. Everyone suffers and I like it. Vengeance is a fools game.
@@mikev8746 didn’t Neil write the first one a game you think is the greatest game ever? No matter what he will always get credit because he wrote the first game not Bruce. Your frustration is coming from the fact Neil didn’t write a story you wanted where Joel lives happily ever after and Abby dies for killing Joel. And FF14? But it won GOTY for a reason. If it got people feeling some type of way like the way your typing it did it’s job. There is a reason why ragnarok took inspiration from naughty dog. Without Neil druckmann and ND no new God of war and Cory barking said that. Just the truth.
@@mikev8746 last of us 2 did win GOTY lol. Deny all you want but it’s the second awarded game of all time. It is what it is. But whatever keeps you sane all good.
I agree with you Robin. I think the base story and bones of TLOU2 are great. It's the execution that's flawed. Having to play as the killer of one of the most beloved characters is a great idea in theory, but Abby is relatively unlikeable, not relatable, and her story does not coincide with Ellie's in Seattle until the very end of her section. She treats her friends throughout the story very poorly, and turns on her own people and kills them without thought at the end for 2 strangers she just met. Had she shown remorse for her actions against Joel and had her story intertwine more with Ellie's, I think the game would have been much more impactful. I wanted to like the game and take it seriously, I just couldn't.
Sindri 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I agree with your points. The deception and disguise that comes from the direction of Naughty Dog is making me sick. To be honest, I constantly lose a little bit of faith and well earned trust. That is making me sad. Kratos’ death would be a talking point for sure but it wouldn’t have had the same amount of impact than the death of Joel has had on me. We only got 1.25 games with Joel. There is two hands full of games with Kratos. I feel like, I have had enough time with Kratos. On the other hand my time with Joel was very limited.
As a hardcore fan of the first TLOU game, I enjoy my time with the HBO show. I like the changes they have made so far (ep 5 is out).
I liked the first game but the vaccine against fungi was a plothole
@@ElPibePlay1000 another person that doesn’t actually know what a plot hole is or what it means. Fantastic
@@Manthathasspiderlikepowers why isn't?
I'll say it again as I do every week, this man is the best content creator on UA-cam!
Haha thanks man! :)
I still firmly believe Joel’s death wouldn’t be received nearly as bad as it did if it didn’t leak in the worst way possible
Agree leaker ruined everything
I actually was prepared for his death. A very important character death its always a good thing for stories. I think its just happened too soon. They could have change something in the story pace to make it better imho
Yup, honestly leakers have tarnished the discourse behind that game forever. Was it perfect? No, but it took risks, which I’m grateful for in today’s AAA market.
More tha leaks, execution was the problem, a harden survivalist dumb down for him to be killed, introducing in a frendly way to a stranger right of the bat. That was not Joel, that was a plot device
No, the context around the death even happening is flawed by itself not because of some damn leak
The Last of Us Part 2 treated Joel with ultimate disrespect. The original narrative of Ragnarök would kill Kratos with dignity and honor as for Part II, it was a game that made Joel like nothing and the narrative was disrespectful to Joel’s character and it made him lose all of his value in the most disrespectful death of a video game character ever.
Like you said, there was kind of a set up in God of War 2018 hinting at a possible Kratos death. The Last of Us, not really any suggestion left by the end of part 1, just some NPC that you are forced to deal with. Last of Us Part 2 was just trying to subvert expectations and treating this like good story telling with shock value pretty much.
What do you mean “no suggestion by the end of Part 1?” Joel had just killed a load of Fireflies and ran away with their last hope, you didn’t expect that at least one person wouldn’t wanna hunt him down for that? Joel’s death was the least surprising story event in Part 2 xD
We already knew from the trailers that Ellie would suffer a violent and traumatic event that serves as the catalyst for the story. It doesn’t take a genius to realise that there are only a few things that could occur that would affect Ellie like that, and the most obvious thing would be Joel dying. Some people even disregarded it as the least likely to happen based on the fact that it would be “too obvious” 😂
@@43quin Joel's death should have been done a bit better. Also remember we had to play as his killer abby.
Joel's death was done perfectly fine considering the story they wanted to tell. The whole point is that Joel's death is brutal and undeserved in the eyes of Ellie and players alike - If the game doesn't get that across then players won't understand why Ellie seeks justice.
Understanding how Ellie feels after that scene means that we also understand how Abby felt - Whether players are able to recognise and accept that is a whole different challenge that the game presents to you. We can't rightfully chastise Abby for what she did, when we spend the entire first half of the game happily trying to do the same thing, when we play as Ellie.
Anything other than the final storyline would’ve been better.
I know Kratos has died many of times but always climbed his way back out but if they ever permanently kill him off then they killed the entire series off for me so I hope that never happens, Kratos IS God of War.
The only issue is that it takes away the stakes of the situation for kratos since he will always win in the end.
you should watch the series. its way above avarage and the flash backs is so freaken good. wish they where in the game but other then that i feel the rest is better made in the game but still a good show.
Yes you are sindri but cute sindri 😁👍🏻💖🌹
I kind of was thinking the same thing. Even though God of wars story is technically simple, it always was subverting expectations. The main difference between this and last of us part 2 is that God of war wasn’t trying to lecture the audience. It just wanted to be a good game and tell a compelling story. Fantastic video.
I prefer A Plague Tale Requiem over both TLOU2 and GOWR anyday. It had the perfect balance of playing safe and taking risks at the same time. I still play that game to this date, doing photo mode and stuff. This is the very first recent game release that ended on my Top 5 Favorite Games of All time.
I haven't played GOWR yet but considering that I am not very attached to any of the previous GOW games, I don't think this one will be much different. I'll definitely play it, just not very soon.
I still think about that ending often! Such a great game and story :)
@@RobinGaming Absolutely.
Dude same boat. Requiem totally blindsided me. I liked Innocence quite a bit, but Requiem stepped it up in every way and had such an incredible ending, completely wrecked me. It definitely has a spot on my all-time list.
You two and literally nobody else.
@@goremageddon4 oh good. I'll check it out. Tbh I liked innocence but I was disappointed with the story because I barely understood it.
You're channel is impressive for a Dutch man.
Appreciate it! ;D
@@RobinGaming Ga zo door. :-)
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You kinda spoiled the story line at 4:00🙈
In a video that started with a spoiler warning at 0:16? Gee, my mistake I guess haha
@@RobinGaming I totally missed that XD. I actually listened to the video(like a podcast) and didn't fully watch it. Really my bad lol.
Either way, I still loved the game(finished it yesterday) and obviously your video ;)
Bro he even spoiled with the thumbnail, there goes my 2nd gow experience, Thx Robin :s -_- you saved me money tho :)
And don’t comment on this comment with he didn’t, and Robin shouldn’t too, at least don’t react on it, cause if you would say, no he didn’t, I would get a better idea if Kratos would died or not, like a confirmation, dispite the thumbnail photo title.
@@ForzaGalatasaray1481 you literally just said he saved you money😂
So what does my answer to your comment matter?
The game is totally worth playing and experiencing it yourself🙌
I admitted I was wrong though🤷♂️
@@mattthemightymeme maybe I would still get it, but prolly not, maybe on discount dunno
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Damn you got me
@@RobinGaming 👍🏻
Stop killing our favorite characters damn it!Movies love it, gamers don't (Joel,Cayde-6,Nathan D. not dead but old).Robin I want your opinion on why they don't put the same actors of the game play the films also..I don't say it is wrong, just want your take on the matter..oh and again I couldn't agree more with you about everything.
I lost my respect for naughty dog post last of us 2, screw their stupid agendas - they destroyed the franchise
You degenerates always think there's an agenda
Nah you sindri
TLOU HBO is a huge success dude, Neil will win an Emmy.
>Game involves parent and child
>"Last of us ripoff"
I've enjoyed the HBO series on TLOU, its well done. As far as the bill and frank episode IMHO I believe its two fold. They needed more story to tell in the series. If they took just the game beats as that happened in the game it would be hard to spread that out to 10 episodes so they need to expand where they can. The other part of that is ND just doing what ND does with trying to push that agenda they have.
-having played the game it makes sense, as a lot of the final blows on the bosses weren't by kratos.
they robbed us of the satisfaction of being the one who killed thor and odin, it felt like they wanted to make the game without him.
the game was good but not on the level 2018 felt like at the time
Another problem with that early story pitch is that Kratos has already escaped Hades twice so why would it take 20 years for Atreus to come and rescue him when he would just do it himself lol
I always knew that Joel was going to kick it TLOU2 it just felt like a natural conclusion to his story but the execution was just so awful, so contrived I laughed at the ridiculous amount of conveniences leading up to it, surely they’re were better ways of killing him off ffs (TLOU2 is just poorly written altogether) like imagine waiting 7 years for that mess of a sequel I always said TLOU should have remained a stand alone game it ends so well and they completely 180 on the endings ambiguousness what the fuck were they thinking lol
To be fair Kratos didnt escape by himself in GoW 1 n 2, he did in COO iirc
While playing TLOU i thoght "they could make the sequel with the bros" n 20 min later they died
@@ElPibePlay1000 The problem is the massive time jump to 20 years but Fimbulwinter is only 3 years long it wouldn’t match what they had set up in 2018
@@TheBlackAdder1964 didnt thoght of that...
on my defence, prophocies can be distorted so something could postpone fimbulwinter (i guess)
Omg do gow fans actually played the game? Kratos never escaped on his own. Someone always helped him
One time ut was Gaia and the other time it was zeus in GOW1. So yes he would very much need someone just like in the previous games
Add to that Kratos knows nothing about how helheim works. Why would he escape on his own ? Magically ? Without his body? It’s stupid
The game would have been much better if Kratos died, it would raise the stakes in boss fights, give Atreus motivation, and prevent us from being forced to listen to the annoying teenager version of Atreus for 40 hours.
As much as I agree the concept is played out. Kratos dying and crawling back is literal meme at this point.
Make an Uncharted 5 Video plz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I would've stopped playing, Threw my controller against the wall, slammed my PS5 on the ground, stomped on it, threw away every God of War game I have which is every single one of them, broken my phone just for having GOW:Betrayal on it, and quit gaming entirely. Naughty Dog is the most idiotic game dev in the world. You create icons as a game dev. You don't destroy them.