Those Klingon agents on-board of DS9 were definitely playing up the stereotype of drunk buffoonish warrior on purpose. Few would suspect those being responsible for espionage shenanigans.
I like to think Klingons are very good at what they do with spy work, making people think they're subpar at spy work is part of the job & the impression. It's sometimes viewed as very dishonrable to do spy work in some circles but you can't argue with the honor that comes from victory itself.
This reminded me of a quick back and forth between Riker and Worf in the episode "Peak Performance." Riker - You're outmanned, outgunned, and out equipped. What else have you got? Worf - Guile.
I remember that one DS9 episode where Gul Dukat and Maj. Kira took over a Klingon Bird-of-Prey, Dukat remarked at just how much information the Klingons had in the computers about Cardassian facilities.
It's VERY possible that the Dominion was funneling intel to the the Klingons. But that only reflects negatively on Klingon Intelligence (KI) if the Klingons never so much suspected their sudden good fortune. Nations will funnel or share intel with each other for their own reasons and agendas, but that doesn't mean a recipient nation can or should turn down such gifts. Actually I'd go one step further and say that, absent a means of neutralizing the Dominion entirely, KI would be inexcusably negligent by NOT accepting surreptitious help from the Dominion in the war against Cardassia. In refusing to accept intel, KI would be turning down assistance that would indisputably help their own side fight and win the war (which is the primary purpose of an intel agency during wartime). As for the fall of the Obsidian Order hurting the Cardassian counter-intel abilities; the capacity and willingness to recognize and exploit vulnerabilities is at very heart of espionage. KI's potential willingness to do just that to the Cardassians when the Obsidian Order fell is actually an argument for KI being a superior espionage agency. Espionage is not the Challenge Floor of the Great Hall on Qo'nos! Good spies fight their battles when the enemy is at his weakest, not when he is at his strongest.
@@generaluser5378 about accepting Intel from the Dominion, a source of dubious intentions and allegiances, if nothing else you can determine their Intel gathering capabilities, or try to determine how much they are willing to share with you.
@@generaluser5378 I could definitely see the Dominion supplying information to the Klingons, but Klingon intelligence is actually pretty capable, and with the mentioned fall of the Obsidian Order, the Cardassians would be at their weakest point (at least in terms of intelligence).
Klingon agents seem to be somewhat like ninja in medieval Japan. While essential, and used, they're villainized, and live somewhat outside the normal society.
I'd be very interested to know what the Klingons thought of Sun Tzu. While being a great military strategist, Sun Tzu thought espionage was one of the most important aspects of war. An entire chapter of the Art of War is dedicated solely to spies.
@@generaluser5378 this makes me wonder more that the Discovery timeline is correct and the Klingon Star Empire is just a Section 31 puppet. Because the "original Klingon" about an English text would "be English" among spies. *Taps Forehead*
"Spy" is a broad term. Intelligence gathering (or what is typically called "spying"): scouting, learning about your enemy's movement, force makeup, leadership, etc. is something Klingons would completely understand. A brave scout who could sneak into the heart of the enemy's camp and escape with valuable tactical and strategic information would be regarded as a heroic warrior. The parts of "spying" they balk at are those operations such as assassinations or theft, the spy who has to feign loyalty to someone they intend to betray, they spy who subverts the loyalty of an enemy and gets them to betray their comrades, a Klingon would regard as the epitome of dishonorable. (While a Romulan would regard someone who could pull that kind of betrayal or subversion off as the pinnacle of skill.)
The Klingon notion of honor is much broader than what many people think it is. We often see this quite literal interpretation of Klingon honor, because that's the Klingon's main selling point in the Trek franchise. But there are also a number of episodes with deeper looks at Klingon honor that reveal a much broader interpretation. Like Quark honorably saving this one Klingon house by checking the accounting, or numerous instances where Worf gives his honor-approval to something that isn't as honorably in the strictest interpretation. Likewise I believe a spy can easily use honor to justify his job; after all a good spy may save the honor of many other Klingons by not falling for a trap or whatnot.
And my theory is that House Torg was Chancellor J'mpok's attempt to create a Klingon version of Section 31. Which is why you get sent on suicide missions after toppling Torg.
Good video. You should consider making a video of the different Klingon Houses if possible. Another possibility is making a video about Bajoran Religion. What exactly do they believe. How do they practice their religion and what is the church structure like.
Mate397 I wi see what happens to Klingons who die in accidents. Like falling off the ladder when washing the windows or slipping in ice and cracking their head taking the bins out 😂
@@jamp12008 Pretty much in TNG when everyone thought La' Forge died on a shuttle accident worf told data that to a Klingon his memorial should be a feast to his honor.
I had laughed when I saw the title of this video...it took me a moment to think about it and I finally got it. I was thinking of the Klingon who posed as human in the TOS episode and later on DS9. Glad to see I was right that he was an agent
I am sorry to hear that, I have spent many an hour at Fracture clinic, I have a bone disorder in my foot. I like your insightful look into the Klingon Intelligence Agency. You have done a good job on the other races in Star Trek. The Cardassian Obsidian Order, Romulan Tel Shiar and Federation Section 31
"Which is a bit rich coming from a species who employ cloaking devices in combat." Stay out of the Ker'rat system if you can't take the heat, Feddy Bear.
The Klingon from the first episode of Enterprise is from the House of D'Ebo. I know that his name is Klaang or something like that. I was making a joke by the fact that the Klingon was played by Tom "Tiny" Lister aka Debo from the movie Friday.
Gralmek/Arne Darvin/Barry Waddle is yet another example for the inexcusable lack of security in Starfleet. Either no record of him was made during the initial incident in TOS or he was allowed on the Defiant without anyone checking his identity. The episode was mostly fun, but the writers should at least try to make the premise more plausible
No worries on the video production. Get well soon from your fracture(s)! Even your fracture(s) have been Rick, further indication that you are only human. Thank you for another great STO & Star Trek lore video!
Just as Section 31 does the dirty work to maintain the Utopia that most Federation citizens and Star Fleet officers enjoy, so does Klingon Intelligence fight in the shadows to maintain the Empire’s honor.
One other incident that may be relevant to Klingon Intel... There was the incident where Worf and Keh'lar worked together to deal with the Klingons from a ship that had been in Federation territory asleep for about 75 years.... They were convinced to defer to Worf and stop attacking the Enterprise.... Would love to know what secrets they took back to the Klingon Empire....
Having not seen a whole lot of clear pictures of the Discovery era Klingons I have to say that they really do look like orc-ish fish people. The TNG Kliingons I could see going through enough surgery to become human looking and to match with the TOS Klingons at least but the idea that these Discovery Orc/fish people could be made to look human is just beyond my comprehension.
Tos Klingons were the result some Klingons trying to make augments using human technology that created a plague that would have killed tens of millions ,entire colonies, and the only cure that the doctor from enterprise made them look very human
The same thought struck me. I wonder, though, if that information gathering was an in-house or lone warlord operation rather than an official Klingon intelligence operations. I like to think that there were diverse ways that such intelligence would have been collected and used, many of which would be in conflict or competition with each other. Including Valkris in this video would add a fascinating depth to Rick's wonderful analysis.
I immediately saw a problem with agents posing as someone else... after about five minutes, the agent says or does something to make *everyone* suspicious.
@@christopherwall2121 I can't for the life of me understand why he'd go through all the trouble of going back in time to kill Kirk though. He must have known that doing so would likely doom the Klingons due to Kirk's actions after Praxos blew up.
They probably are the worst fires around as far as getting caught anyway. Klingons honor code is such that they would fight rather than flee. To return the information to whoever is over them.
Here is an idea: all the species/races in all of star trek represent a aspect of humanity. The Vulcans are our logic and smarts, the Klingons are our head strong and stubborn and pride. The ferengi are our greed. The romuland are our cunning side. Essentially, all the species are just humanity split up.
The novel The Final Reflection, lays a lot of foundation work for the Klingons. It's my favorite novel and has a lot of detail on Klingon Intelligence.
In TOS & TNG Klingons were more like other civilisation, but with little more bloodlust or tendencies towards violence. But you still had active government, intelligenc, and civilian Klingons. I think in DS9 (best) they went more in the "fighting is the only honor" cliche, wich is weird cause that would mean that all other posts except warrior was not allowed in stovokor (klingon heaven). Didn't care for it, also that after that women weren't the warrior type all of a sudden.
Why is it considered counter to their culture? You stalk your prey with them unawares is honorable. Ignorance is not honorable. Most klingons would merely say, it is a good day to die. The legendary would say, it is a good day to die...you first. Any idiot can be brave, but the true warrior is victorious in his mind before the blade is lifted. To believe in victory, you must take steps to set yourself up for it. Information /intelligence is crucial to that.
rick the house that does the job in STO is really from the far future after the temperol corp is formed they like the other races that signed it send members back to all points of the timeline to ensure it was kept stable the leader of the house even mentions this to your char if they were a klingon temperol one i got the info when my first klingon i made was working with them after having myself from the future appear to me at the start of the game from then on i worked for them while still working within the empire
You can for mishes. I don't know if you can just wander over on a pure Fed toon. Update: Tried it on 2 different characters who had/hadn't done the new KDF storyline, and you can't visit as a Fed.
I'd be happier to think that you have a volunteer job at this fracture clinic. (That's what I heard, not necessarily what you said.) In any event, I hope this day finds you well.
Klingons find “spying” to be disonarable, as it implies a fear of their enemies. “Scouting”on the other hand, is considered very honarable, as these brave scouts deliver the means through which Klingons can find their cowardly enemies
Is there an in universe explanation for the copmplete redesign of the Klingons since the Kelvin timline movies and Discovery? I (mostly) like those movies and series, but I REALLY do not like the redesign of the Klingons.
This is one of the aspects of Trek that always bothered me. These ruthless barbaric warriors have super complex and efficient spy networks!?! It makes little sense on its face but considering how the feudalistic empire of the future keeps itself together, It could be it's biggest asset.
well the Klingon Intelligence appare to be better than the Obsidian Order and Tal Shiar, course we, the fans doesnt know about them and the is so little info that we have to speculate and make theories to what they are... while we know the other pretty good XD
The Abrams-Kurtzman Klingons, like the rest of their tripe, should not be considered canon. It's worse than "Galactica 1980" and "Teen Wolf Too." Star Trek ended with Enterprise.
Discovery made me puke during the "Klingon" sex scene and Picard got the same treatment Luke Skywalker got. Emasculated Picard. There has not been a decent trek since Scott Bakula.
Your choice to talk about Discovery stuff as if it remotely fits into the tapestry of the rest is one I can respect, but infuriates me every time. :-) There's about a million ways it can't take place in the same universe.
TL:DR Honour is not violence as the Klingons would have you believe. To expand; I'm glad that you brought up the Klingons and honour based solely through combat, as when it comes to actual honourable acts the Klingons are sorely lacking. A culture seemingly on near technological parity with the Federation, and others, still employing widespread slavery has no honour. I may be missing episodes and lore but when have they actually gone out of their way (when they themselves were not at any risk, as a culture and people) to help those in need? Surrendering what they have, in order to help others less well off than them? Seemingly, the only honour they have is in combat, and even that is questionable, and which is such a tiny, tiny percentage of what having honour actually is , it is quite despicable. The honour of Klingons is almost nothing but revenge driven violence.
@@Reddotzebra This is true, not that their society treats people that well (at least for dissenting opinions), but as secret as they can be to outsiders, they generally don't pretend to be something they are not. If anything, they are far honourable as a society than the Klingons could ever hope to be. (Of course now I'm thinking of how they treated the Remans, when you get down to it a lot of the races in Trek are not actually that nice are they?)
Klingon from tos have a canon and a real world reason for the way they look. Canon is explain in the show "star trek enterprise" where the Klingons get hit with a pandemic virus and the cure altered their genetic structure causing them to no longer have bone ridges. The real world reason is because of budget constraints on the original series.
@@billyrev There was also an explanation in the old Star Trek:RPG by FASA - they experimented with surgery and genetic tech to make hybrid Klingons, Human and Romulan, to better understand and fight their enemies. (This was before the TNG era). It was interesting to have them as PCs and NPCs in the game, and how they described them in the game "universe".
Yeah as soon as you started talking about the NON-Cannon STD part I stopped watching. Mo'kai aren't Klingons they look nothing like Klingons & are not Star trek Cannon.
"It's a good day too spy" sounds like it should be a Klingon Bond movie
On Her Emperor’s Secret Service
Or "Live and Let Spy"
I can just imagine James Bond as a Klingon introduction himself: "Bond. James Bond. From the House of Bond".
Those Klingon agents on-board of DS9 were definitely playing up the stereotype of drunk buffoonish warrior on purpose.
Few would suspect those being responsible for espionage shenanigans.
They just had the unfortunate luck to be up against odo
I like to think Klingons are very good at what they do with spy work, making people think they're subpar at spy work is part of the job & the impression. It's sometimes viewed as very dishonrable to do spy work in some circles but you can't argue with the honor that comes from victory itself.
This reminded me of a quick back and forth between Riker and Worf in the episode "Peak Performance."
Riker - You're outmanned, outgunned, and out equipped. What else have you got?
Worf - Guile.
I remember that one DS9 episode where Gul Dukat and Maj. Kira took over a Klingon Bird-of-Prey, Dukat remarked at just how much information the Klingons had in the computers about Cardassian facilities.
It's VERY possible that the Dominion was funneling intel to the the Klingons. But that only reflects negatively on Klingon Intelligence (KI) if the Klingons never so much suspected their sudden good fortune. Nations will funnel or share intel with each other for their own reasons and agendas, but that doesn't mean a recipient nation can or should turn down such gifts.
Actually I'd go one step further and say that, absent a means of neutralizing the Dominion entirely, KI would be inexcusably negligent by NOT accepting surreptitious help from the Dominion in the war against Cardassia. In refusing to accept intel, KI would be turning down assistance that would indisputably help their own side fight and win the war (which is the primary purpose of an intel agency during wartime).
As for the fall of the Obsidian Order hurting the Cardassian counter-intel abilities; the capacity and willingness to recognize and exploit vulnerabilities is at very heart of espionage. KI's potential willingness to do just that to the Cardassians when the Obsidian Order fell is actually an argument for KI being a superior espionage agency.
Espionage is not the Challenge Floor of the Great Hall on Qo'nos! Good spies fight their battles when the enemy is at his weakest, not when he is at his strongest.
@@generaluser5378 about accepting Intel from the Dominion, a source of dubious intentions and allegiances, if nothing else you can determine their Intel gathering capabilities, or try to determine how much they are willing to share with you.
@@generaluser5378 I could definitely see the Dominion supplying information to the Klingons, but Klingon intelligence is actually pretty capable, and with the mentioned fall of the Obsidian Order, the Cardassians would be at their weakest point (at least in terms of intelligence).
Klingon agents seem to be somewhat like ninja in medieval Japan. While essential, and used, they're villainized, and live somewhat outside the normal society.
I'd be very interested to know what the Klingons thought of Sun Tzu. While being a great military strategist, Sun Tzu thought espionage was one of the most important aspects of war. An entire chapter of the Art of War is dedicated solely to spies.
As any Klingon will tell you, it is critical to read Sun Tzu in the original Klingon!
@@generaluser5378 this makes me wonder more that the Discovery timeline is correct and the Klingon Star Empire is just a Section 31 puppet.
Because the "original Klingon" about an English text would "be English" among spies.
*Taps Forehead*
@@bynrdskynrd um... Sun Tzu was chinese, not english
"Spy" is a broad term. Intelligence gathering (or what is typically called "spying"): scouting, learning about your enemy's movement, force makeup, leadership, etc. is something Klingons would completely understand. A brave scout who could sneak into the heart of the enemy's camp and escape with valuable tactical and strategic information would be regarded as a heroic warrior. The parts of "spying" they balk at are those operations such as assassinations or theft, the spy who has to feign loyalty to someone they intend to betray, they spy who subverts the loyalty of an enemy and gets them to betray their comrades, a Klingon would regard as the epitome of dishonorable. (While a Romulan would regard someone who could pull that kind of betrayal or subversion off as the pinnacle of skill.)
@@ltericdavis2237 that's what those commie Klingons want you to believe.
Plus I was referring to General Chang's commentary on other human texts.
The Klingon notion of honor is much broader than what many people think it is. We often see this quite literal interpretation of Klingon honor, because that's the Klingon's main selling point in the Trek franchise. But there are also a number of episodes with deeper looks at Klingon honor that reveal a much broader interpretation. Like Quark honorably saving this one Klingon house by checking the accounting, or numerous instances where Worf gives his honor-approval to something that isn't as honorably in the strictest interpretation.
Likewise I believe a spy can easily use honor to justify his job; after all a good spy may save the honor of many other Klingons by not falling for a trap or whatnot.
And my theory is that House Torg was Chancellor J'mpok's attempt to create a Klingon version of Section 31. Which is why you get sent on suicide missions after toppling Torg.
That actually makes a great deal of sense.
Sadly for J'mpok, he picked someone who was too ambitious.
"Trips to the fracture clinic" must be code... operation fluttering petal?
Good video.
You should consider making a video of the different Klingon Houses if possible.
Another possibility is making a video about Bajoran Religion. What exactly do they believe. How do they practice their religion and what is the church structure like.
The Klingons probably don't care too much if their agents are KIA.
Just Thomas Nice
As long as they die with HONOR
Mate397 I wi see what happens to Klingons who die in accidents. Like falling off the ladder when washing the windows or slipping in ice and cracking their head taking the bins out 😂
Manek Iridius the most honourable way of all. Qa’pla
@@jamp12008 Pretty much in TNG when everyone thought La' Forge died on a shuttle accident worf told data that to a Klingon his memorial should be a feast to his honor.
I had laughed when I saw the title of this video...it took me a moment to think about it and I finally got it. I was thinking of the Klingon who posed as human in the TOS episode and later on DS9. Glad to see I was right that he was an agent
I am sorry to hear that, I have spent many an hour at Fracture clinic, I have a bone disorder in my foot. I like your insightful look into the Klingon Intelligence Agency. You have done a good job on the other races in Star Trek. The Cardassian Obsidian Order, Romulan Tel Shiar and Federation Section 31
Love the use of the STO gameplay for the videos
8:30 I mean yeah ... If you have a quiet Klingon in the back of a bar ....it's gonna draw more attention than a drunk one causing trouble
"Which is a bit rich coming from a species who employ cloaking devices in combat."
Stay out of the Ker'rat system if you can't take the heat, Feddy Bear.
Hope you're doing well Rick! Great video too. Always wondered about Klingon agents...
Next episode: Tribble assassins, death by furball.
You can always spot a Klington spy because they can't say the word "squirrel." So true...
Yeah. Until you do that test on one. That can. And well...time to panic.
Squirrel
@@chancellorgowron1546 What was that Gowron? "Szweeuurrollle?"
cqtaylor I said Squirrel
@@chancellorgowron1546 Ya see Gowron, that's where you're wrong. We heard you said, "Scwwwuuurrriawal!"
The Klingon from the first episode of Enterprise is from the House of D'Ebo. I know that his name is Klaang or something like that. I was making a joke by the fact that the Klingon was played by Tom "Tiny" Lister aka Debo from the movie Friday.
"hey man, thats my ship!" "what ship?!"
Gralmek/Arne Darvin/Barry Waddle is yet another example for the inexcusable lack of security in Starfleet. Either no record of him was made during the initial incident in TOS or he was allowed on the Defiant without anyone checking his identity. The episode was mostly fun, but the writers should at least try to make the premise more plausible
Klingon intelligence is often called an oxymoron.
No worries on the video production. Get well soon from your fracture(s)! Even your fracture(s) have been Rick, further indication that you are only human. Thank you for another great STO & Star Trek lore video!
Haha, I saw that! nice job adding the proper look to the STD klingons!
It's a good day to heal! Hope you recover soon.
Just as Section 31 does the dirty work to maintain the Utopia that most Federation citizens and Star Fleet officers enjoy, so does Klingon Intelligence fight in the shadows to maintain the Empire’s honor.
Great video I hope you haven't hurt yourself to bad and I wish you a speedy recovery
One other incident that may be relevant to Klingon Intel... There was the incident where Worf and Keh'lar worked together to deal with the Klingons from a ship that had been in Federation territory asleep for about 75 years....
They were convinced to defer to Worf and stop attacking the Enterprise.... Would love to know what secrets they took back to the Klingon Empire....
Klaang: “That’s MY bike, petaQ!”
Having not seen a whole lot of clear pictures of the Discovery era Klingons I have to say that they really do look like orc-ish fish people. The TNG Kliingons I could see going through enough surgery to become human looking and to match with the TOS Klingons at least but the idea that these Discovery Orc/fish people could be made to look human is just beyond my comprehension.
Tos Klingons were the result some Klingons trying to make augments using human technology that created a plague that would have killed tens of millions ,entire colonies, and the only cure that the doctor from enterprise made them look very human
Always great info that answers a lot of questions true fans have,
I'm surprised Valkris and Kruge weren't mentioned, given their obtainment of information on the Genesis Project.
The same thought struck me. I wonder, though, if that information gathering was an in-house or lone warlord operation rather than an official Klingon intelligence operations. I like to think that there were diverse ways that such intelligence would have been collected and used, many of which would be in conflict or competition with each other. Including Valkris in this video would add a fascinating depth to Rick's wonderful analysis.
I immediately saw a problem with agents posing as someone else... after about five minutes, the agent says or does something to make *everyone* suspicious.
Not Darvin. Nothing gave him away until the Tribbles.
@@christopherwall2121 I can't for the life of me understand why he'd go through all the trouble of going back in time to kill Kirk though.
He must have known that doing so would likely doom the Klingons due to Kirk's actions after Praxos blew up.
@@Reddotzebra after years of Cardassian fish juice, under the name "Barry Waddle", that probably sounded more ideal
@@Reddotzebra Honor must be satisfied, and many Klingons who encountered Kirk respected him, wanted desperately to kill him, or both.
The agent would most certainly need a lot of cultural training, probably a least a year’s worth.
Excellent videos! Hope you're feeling better!
I find the fact Klingons and Humans are so identical you cant tell them apart but they have totally unique blood, etc, just too hard to swallow.
They probably are the worst fires around as far as getting caught anyway. Klingons honor code is such that they would fight rather than flee. To return the information to whoever is over them.
Yet another good video, thanks... 👍
Here is an idea: all the species/races in all of star trek represent a aspect of humanity. The Vulcans are our logic and smarts, the Klingons are our head strong and stubborn and pride. The ferengi are our greed. The romuland are our cunning side. Essentially, all the species are just humanity split up.
Happy Holidays, Sir.
Wait, fracture clinic? Did someone break our master of lore? THIS CALLS FOR GLORIOUS VENGEANCE!
The novel The Final Reflection, lays a lot of foundation work for the Klingons. It's my favorite novel and has a lot of detail on Klingon Intelligence.
In TOS & TNG Klingons were more like other civilisation, but with little more bloodlust or tendencies towards violence. But you still had active government, intelligenc, and civilian Klingons. I think in DS9 (best) they went more in the "fighting is the only honor" cliche, wich is weird cause that would mean that all other posts except warrior was not allowed in stovokor (klingon heaven). Didn't care for it, also that after that women weren't the warrior type all of a sudden.
A friend of mine (who Is in Sto'vo'kor now) had said the klingons had "loyalty police" called Malth'rad
Great video! Love the content!
Why is it considered counter to their culture? You stalk your prey with them unawares is honorable. Ignorance is not honorable.
Most klingons would merely say, it is a good day to die. The legendary would say, it is a good day to die...you first.
Any idiot can be brave, but the true warrior is victorious in his mind before the blade is lifted.
To believe in victory, you must take steps to set yourself up for it. Information /intelligence is crucial to that.
Klingon Intelligence? No such thing! Haha love that joke (:
Even having to head to the Fracture Clinic oh my I hope you're doing alright I hope you get better
Klingon Intelligence:It's a contradiction in terms!
You've been riQ!
I think they would prefer the term scout over spy! Sounds more honorable!
Are you going to start a Klingon character on STO? Especially since they updated the Klingon graphics.
You either make it that no one will notice you or every one will notice you so maybe that's why they were more obvious
rick the house that does the job in STO is really from the far future after the temperol corp is formed they like the other races that signed it send members back to all points of the timeline to ensure it was kept stable the leader of the house even mentions this to your char if they were a klingon temperol one i got the info when my first klingon i made was working with them after having myself from the future appear to me at the start of the game from then on i worked for them while still working within the empire
Could you or have you done a video on star Fleet Intelligence or on Section 31?
I haven't tried it yet, but I didn't know you could visit Qo'nos with a Federation character.
You can for mishes. I don't know if you can just wander over on a pure Fed toon.
Update: Tried it on 2 different characters who had/hadn't done the new KDF storyline, and you can't visit as a Fed.
The needs of the Empire supersede personal honor.
I'd be happier to think that you have a volunteer job at this fracture clinic. (That's what I heard, not necessarily what you said.) In any event, I hope this day finds you well.
Klingons find “spying” to be disonarable, as it implies a fear of their enemies.
“Scouting”on the other hand, is considered very honarable, as these brave scouts deliver the means through which Klingons can find their cowardly enemies
How did the discovery writers fuck up SO BADLY that they gave the main fuckin antagonist klingon in their series a goddamn Vulcan sounding name?
Is there an in universe explanation for the copmplete redesign of the Klingons since the Kelvin timline movies and Discovery? I (mostly) like those movies and series, but I REALLY do not like the redesign of the Klingons.
Nice video
How was it explained again why the Klingons looked human on the original series? Was it on Enterprise? 🤔
please do a video about the hurts in star wars & their slaves & the slaves costumes
Holy crap!Deebo was a Klingon!?
Puff puff, give.
This is one of the aspects of Trek that always bothered me. These ruthless barbaric warriors have super complex and efficient spy networks!?!
It makes little sense on its face but considering how the feudalistic empire of the future keeps itself together, It could be it's biggest asset.
Klingon spies know that they do what needs be done to safeguard the Empire, even if the warriors despise them for it.
Constant infighting among feudalistic Great Houses would be an excellent crucible for a truly superior espionage agency.
well the Klingon Intelligence appare to be better than the Obsidian Order and Tal Shiar, course we, the fans doesnt know about them and the is so little info that we have to speculate and make theories to what they are... while we know the other pretty good XD
We don't know about them...which means they're doing their jobs quite well indeed...
The Abrams-Kurtzman Klingons, like the rest of their tripe, should not be considered canon. It's worse than "Galactica 1980" and "Teen Wolf Too." Star Trek ended with Enterprise.
I see 16 survivors of the Durass Family have found and disliked this video. I knew they shouldn't of allowed the sisters to live..🖖🏻
A woman cannot beheaded but Klingon great house unless they get special permission from the chancellor
What I want to know is where, in canon, was a female chancellor prior to Azatbur.
What is a fracture clinic?
yo this is dead ass the earliest ive
been
Klingons and Intelligence it happens look at Warth he eats loads of books lol.
I don't count Discovery lore
Discovery made me puke during the "Klingon" sex scene and Picard got the same treatment Luke Skywalker got. Emasculated Picard.
There has not been a decent trek since Scott Bakula.
Is it KIA then?
The KGB LoL 😁👍
*_'QAPLA!_*
can us STO players get yur handle in game to send u in game items ????
Upvoting this comment...would be happy to share stuff if you need in STO to make vids or play.
I thought it was "Broken Bow" as in the bow of a ship.
"Investigate rumours of Klingon intelligence."
Your choice to talk about Discovery stuff as if it remotely fits into the tapestry of the rest is one I can respect, but infuriates me every time. :-) There's about a million ways it can't take place in the same universe.
And several billion that prove it is.
Surely Klingon Intelligence Agency is an oxymoron.
I do wish people would stop including this non-cannon stuff (like Discovery) in documentary videos.
TL:DR Honour is not violence as the Klingons would have you believe.
To expand; I'm glad that you brought up the Klingons and honour based solely through combat, as when it comes to actual honourable acts the Klingons are sorely lacking. A culture seemingly on near technological parity with the Federation, and others, still employing widespread slavery has no honour. I may be missing episodes and lore but when have they actually gone out of their way (when they themselves were not at any risk, as a culture and people) to help those in need? Surrendering what they have, in order to help others less well off than them?
Seemingly, the only honour they have is in combat, and even that is questionable, and which is such a tiny, tiny percentage of what having honour actually is , it is quite despicable.
The honour of Klingons is almost nothing but revenge driven violence.
And this is why I like the Romulans better. As much as people call them duplicitous, at least they're mostly honest about what they are.
@@Reddotzebra This is true, not that their society treats people that well (at least for dissenting opinions), but as secret as they can be to outsiders, they generally don't pretend to be something they are not. If anything, they are far honourable as a society than the Klingons could ever hope to be. (Of course now I'm thinking of how they treated the Remans, when you get down to it a lot of the races in Trek are not actually that nice are they?)
ITS KIA
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It's a good day to spy!!!!!!
No.
Klingon spies?
Um...anyone else seeing a problem with this picture?
Discovery is not actually cannon, it's mostly parody. The show was so terrible and ridiculous it's not even apart of the timeline.
What's up with the original series Klingons? they are so strange
Klingon from tos have a canon and a real world reason for the way they look. Canon is explain in the show "star trek enterprise" where the Klingons get hit with a pandemic virus and the cure altered their genetic structure causing them to no longer have bone ridges. The real world reason is because of budget constraints on the original series.
@@billyrev There was also an explanation in the old Star Trek:RPG by FASA - they experimented with surgery and genetic tech to make hybrid Klingons, Human and Romulan, to better understand and fight their enemies. (This was before the TNG era).
It was interesting to have them as PCs and NPCs in the game, and how they described them in the game "universe".
They look better than the STD Klingons.
One of the first here. Yass
Yeah as soon as you started talking about the NON-Cannon STD part I stopped watching. Mo'kai aren't Klingons they look nothing like Klingons & are not Star trek Cannon.
Those fish people are not Klingons. STD & Picard are Not Star Trek
Discovery and Picard are NOT star trek and dont even get me started on that garbage lower decks