No way…. Seeya’s performance should’ve stopped immediately. There’s someone convulsing on the floor and everyone’s still going? I hate this “the show must go on” thing. There’s gotta be a limit to that.
Yup... Especially after this tragedy at Travis Scott's concert. If he would have listened to the people screaming at him that others were dying, and stopped the concert, I guarantee that some of those lives could have been saved yesterday.
I hate how the phrase has gotten to the point that it even promotes ignoring medical emergencies or situations that risk the performers safety and well-being.
GOOD PROFESSIONALISM: fixing a wardrobe malfunction on stage, tripping but not injuring yourself and contuing to sing, performing despite light or music malfunctions BAD PROFESSIONALISM: literally risking your life and health to keep performing
@@oliverhughes610 Yes. That is the epitome of good professionalism. On the reverse side, seeing someone get injured on stage and continuing to perform us VERY bad 'professionalism'
@@oliverhughes610 I misunderstood! I thought you meant someone helping someone else fix their outfit, which is really good professionalism! But the performance needs to be safe for EVERYONE, and if there is a safety risk for anyone (back up dancers, staff members, etc) then the performance should be stopped because that is very dangerous for tbe workers. Sorry about tbe misunderstanding!
Yup. It's a disgusting mentality. Watching all this I can't help but think of the tragedy and the 8 lives that were unnecessarily and horrifically lost yesterday at Astroworld, Travis Scott's concert. People were being crushed to death from the surging crowds, and dying. And because it was so packed, people were croud surfing the bodies of the dead and unconscious and severely unjured to the edges of the crowd, where extremely unequipped and inexperienced medical staff and security tried to save them. People were screaming at Travis and his workers on stage, even jumping on stage, telling him and his staff that people were literally dying and that he needed to stop performing. He stopped momentarily, and just continued 5 seconds later like nothing happened. There was an ambulance in the crowd desperately trying to get to the wounded people, but other people were jumping ontop of it and dancing. It was horrific to see in videos, I can't imagine what the people there who were being crushed to death felt like. There were bodies laying on the ground and medical personnel trying to resuscitate them, while others tried to help but most people were literally stepping over or on these dead and unconscious people, still filming the stage with their phones, still dancing, not even looking down. It was grotesque.
That they thought someone having a horrific-looking seizure on stage wasn't as distracting as if they just paused the performance for 10 mins or something.
South korea's working culture has to be blamed too. Taking a break or leave even if you are genuinely sick is often looked upon. That's why we have seen that even when an idol have to sit out of a performance just due to some medical reasons they look extremely guilty as if they have committed a crime. I find this quite disturbing.
This is maybe off topic, but this comment reminded me of something AleXa talked about in OTV's podcast- how they had to film her MV for like 3 days straight vs how in the US you only work less than 12hrs a day. Like, SK really had me fooled with their minors-not-working-after-midnight law, do they not have laws for adults? or do they just not follow them
@@aerun with the law situstion: I would guess they don't have the same law for adults, a different "version" Or that it has to do with the working mentality that some countries have. (The terrible "work until you die or starve" one... sth like that?)
As someone with epilepsy myself, it’s not a joke. That poor dancer. I feel for them, I really and truly do. Living with epilepsy is hard. Strobe lights suck and I avoid them as best I can, but sometimes you just can’t. I’m glad that girl is okay though and that SUDEP didn’t end up occurring.
@@homeland1128 Sudden unexpected death in epilepsy which is abbreviated SUDEP. That's when someone has strong seizures all the time or multiple seizures one after another so they cause irregular heart rythm and difficulty with breathing and death can happen.
i think the line between professionalism and abuse is very thin when it comes to accidents and injuries on stage in kpop. some companies are obviously notorious for forcing their idols to keep performing, but it's slowly becoming more and more common for companies to put their idols' health first nowadays when it comes to injuries and health with this new gen of kpop idols
The problem is that some idols just insists on performing even when they are recommended not to. One example I could give is SinB, she finished multiple performances while having a dislocated shoulder (a reccuring injury) and also performed to the point of fainting from exhaustion.
@@crudojoshuaricofort8795 it's because of south korea's working cultures as well. Taking a break or leave even if you are genuinely sick is often looked upon. That's why we have seen that even when an idol have to sit out of a performance just due to some medical reasons they look extremely guilty as if they have committed a crime. I find this quite disturbing.
This makes me think of Wendy. She got “lucky“ and the pandemic started so she had time to rest but I can’t imagine the rehabilitation and how she must have felt going through it. She got so messed up and I can’t remember if anything came out of it in terms of punishment like on the side of SBS?
That’s the one thing I love about this channel: actual research. No one would have ever brought up the seeya incident since it didn’t happen in the last 5 years, so I appreciate the time and effort put into this. I actually forgot about the seeya incident
actual research with wrong statements? seeya never said they havent seen it happening, they have been told/shown (from the side of the stage) to continue (only Nam Gyu Ri didnt even see it at all as she was too focused on the performance). right after this performance/accident happened we were all waiting for a statement and wanted to know if the backup dancer was okay, so I remember that they were saying the staffs/manager-whoever people didnt want to stop the performance because the remix-promotion for that song was the first time for SeeYa to not sing live, they were known for their great vocals and live singing, so it would have been bad for their image or something if someone would find out this time it was not live (even though it was obvious but they tought no one would realize or whatever).
@@Yasminh- I think this is a comment you should have made directly to the video and not to me. If you had a problem with what was said then please let the creator know. When I said actual research I meant that this person took the time out to actually find out things that happened in the past. Too often most kpop creators here don’t go past 5-7 years ago because they don’t care about what happened before they got into kpop. It’s unfortunate that you misunderstood my comment, but a lot of other people did not. Hopefully this explanation helps you out, and again if you have an issue with what the creator said then comment directly to them, because your comment is wasted here and possibly won’t be seen as well as you hoped it would. Only reason why I’m seeing it is because I check my emails
Omg that poor dancer with epilepsy... As someone with epilepsy I'm just gonna add something here - they should have stopped the performance and cover her with something that lights stop triggering her more. They shouldn't drag her off the stage in the middle of her seizure, that's dangerous. They just needed to put her on her side that she doesn't lay on her back and that should have been it. Man...I'm so angry and sad at the same time.
I would have had no idea what to do if someone has a seizure around me, but what you said makes a lot of sense. In the clip, she seemed to be reaching out toward other people, is that something she could control? The danger of a seizure is mainly to choke/asphyxiation, since the tongue muscle is also seizing up, right?
@@aJazzyFeel I hope you will never see someone having a seizure because it's a scary and sad thing to see but if it happens the only two things you need to do is lay the person on the side so that person doesn't choke with spit or tongue and call emergency. That's it. Also, to be honest I know many people with epilepsy and I've read about it a lot, but I've never heard someone could control their seizures. But there are many different kind of seizures so maybe I missed some... I don't remember mine at all and I also don't remember basically the whole day when the seizure happened and most of the day after.
@@me9981 thank you for replying! yeah, from what I've garnered in informative videos and comments like yours, I never once heard that someone can control their seizure. that's why the girl in the video was even more eerie to watch. i'm not sure the staff was trained on epilepsy, based on how long it took for them to step in. I don't wanna ride on this topic for too long but the last I'll say is that what bothers me the most in the video is that the left the girl seized up on the floor for a while it seems. i'm not blaming the performers, i'm blaming the staff that didn't immediately rush over. even if what they did is wrong and dangerous, did they think she would just stop having the seizure? even i know that they're not just like "whoopsie my leg gave out now i'm on the floor but i'm okay and getting up, sorry!" but it can take a WHILE to stop. i'm truly thinking that none of the staff knew what epilepsy looks like, or the staff asked the manager first and the manager gave the go-ahead to continue until the staff went anyway. all in all, shitty situation for everyone involved. shitty to witness.
@@aJazzyFeel as someone who witnessed someone having a seizure (my brother unfortunately, this was many years ago and he’s made a full recovery since) if you find that they still aren’t breathing even if you lay them on their side, it could be a sign their throat is closed and they’re suffocating themselves, the best thing to do is to open their mouth and stick your fingers in and spread them open so it forces their airways to open again, they had to do it to my brother and honestly without that little split second decision, I would’ve became an only child that day
I remember in my early stage of being a Kpop fan, I was like, "being an idol must be so fun, dancing and singing, wearing beautiful outfits, befriending other idols, interacting with fans etc etc." Thank god, I don't have that mindset anymore 😐
This is why Sunmi sang "heroine." These guys are told as the main stars, they can never stop no matter happens to them. "The show must go on," she sang. I always thought that line felt heavy.
im pretty sure she wrote that line in reference to her father's death which occured shortly before her debut, but it can easily be applied here. i was thinking of heroine all throughout this video
This reminds me T1419’s Kevin performed despite having a broken wrist and had a arm sling. He wanted to do it cause it was the last day of promotions for Exit and plus 9 boys “have to appear” lol however I’m worried he was forced
The staff was so brave, risking their lives to hold up the stage so bts and the dancers won't fall. Shout out to them honestly, I would've ran away lol
Honestly that woman collapsed and convulsed for far too long before anyone decided to help her. Heartbreaking! How could anyone see that happening and not stop
Remember of what happened during dream concert featuring many kpop groups . The the stage was SOAKED in rain , so many idols fall but kept dancing cuz the show must go on :(
I feel like a lot of fans romanticize an idol's sufferings and struggles in the name of professionalism and hard work when it is just plain abuse. Just stop. Also, after the astroworld incident too, I hope people will be more cautious and the companies more responsible because these things can occur at any concert/gathering and can be prevented if you manage things well enough.. I hope the entertainment industries everywhere learn something especially considering how devastating it can be..
There are certain moments when I agree in "the show must go on" quote, but that seizure incident was ridiculous. It's obvious what's going on and you dance around her? No shame or heart
Who else remembered they made the leader of B.A.P perform with a broken bone injury during an MV shooting? All in all just extremely sad and they should've handled that better. Thank god TS ent is gone.
i don't remember that kind of incident but i know he got a burn while shooting the warrior mv😥 b.a.p often had to perform injured or tired, Daehyun especially had it bad
as an epileptic person, it is so scary to see a person to have a seizure even in the back row, to be published on live tv. this happened to me in public to and it’s so scary
@@mee6703 who the fuck are _you?_ lmao you rudely told them 'no one asked' when they were simply sharing their similar experiences as in the video, so it was clear to me you didn't give a single shit about that which was why I asked. If you're just here to be an unreasonable dick, why are you replying?
As for Seeya's performance, when they continued singing, the first thing I thought was "production is yelling in their in-ears they can't stop". Seeing how fast a staff came only after a dancer stopped is kinda confirming that they were perfectly aware but didn't want to stop the performance. All the girls, including dancers, became scapegoats
“The show must go on” mentality applies to things like mistakes with singing and dancing, minor wardrobe malfunctions (like accessories falling off), or stage technical difficulties like the music going out. NOT situations where people’s health and lives are in danger. ESPECIALLY when those situations could be easily avoided or there’s an alternative solution
The car accident thing happened to Girls Generation too! OTW to the broadcast station they got in an accident, but they were told they wouldn't be allowed to perform if they were late. They literally ran ON FOOT the rest of the way, still performed, and got their 1st win.
The entirety of Nine Muses life as stars was so sad. I remember watching the documentary and, no matter what idols go through, SMACKING your idols on the head and making them practice when they are injured is simply abuse. It's not the life of an idol, it's not excusable under any circumstances and I'm sick of companies try to justify this shit
I think that in the first few generations of KPOP it was common for a company to force an idol to keep performing even while injured, which is straight up abuse, however we as fans are also aware that kpop is not an industry built to have longevity so idols will force themselves to keep performing even while injured in fear of fan or management reactions. Luckily, this is changing nowadays and a lot more companies are putting the health of the idols first.
I remember when VIXX members Leo and Ravi passed out at a concert in South America because of dehydration/ over heating in the suits they wore. Also N passed out due to exhaustion on stage at their mini concert that celebrated them as new ambassadors for a water park :(
There was also a performance where N strained his back and kept dancing. I remember you could see the pain visible in his face and stance. I don't remember where I saw that, it was years ago.
heechul also did that comeback (2007) right after his car accident instead of being able to get the proper rest and treatment. the strenous dancing caused the metal rod implanted in his leg to bend and didn't allow his leg to fully heal. heenim continued to push through this for over a decade and a little known fact is due to his leg he's actually classified as disabled in SK which is why he didn't have to go for active duty in the military, and despite that classification he still received/recieves hate for going into civil services and sitting out from comebacks now :/ and if we're talking about returning to work too soon, kyuhyun literally did this comeback (2007) after recovering from a coma from a separate car accident along with 3 more members... suju has gone through way too much to be the punching bag of kpop so pls be kind to them and not blindly believe the false stories constantly spread about them :(
You're a sweetheart. And yeah...and it was not only his vocals. He had a car accident around 2010 (not sure if it is) and got badly injured. He had 2 surgeries and was back to work in a wheelchair like 4 months after. Imagine that...
@@me9981 it was 2007, for the comeback in the video only, the dancing caused the metal rod in his leg to bend and he's actually classified as level 4 disability in SK because of it
If you watch H.O.T's 1999 concert and skip to Heejun's solo stage, you can actually see him fall on stage. What's most painful is that he still came back for the last song with the rest of the group, although he was visibly in pain.
When you asked "do you have what it takes to become a kpop idol" I already knew my answer was a firm *"No."* I know I would not be fit for that, and I won't pretend like I am. But after watching this video my answer is "HELL no" holy crap. I've heard of some of these before but these stories never fail to shock me.
Dal Shabet’s maknae also fell off stage during a performance too, plus Onew fainting from a stage-set almost collapsing on him. So many accidents, the video will be longer than 2 hours.
That seizure one was scary, like why did it take everyone so long to help her??? I'll rather ruin a performance than ignore my member that's having a seizure.... selfish😒
iKON's B.I had an eye surgery and doctors said his eyes has a sensitivity to light and he shouldn't go on stage or he could become blind but YG still mad him do a concert. And he was also doing a concert when he needed surgery for his nodules in his vocal cords. That's straight up abuse no one can call that professionalism
The whole concept of the show must go on is about having back up, safety nets and contingencies for everything. It should never be about further injuring yourself at the demand of an unfeeling company.
Stans/fans try to hype their favs up for everything, even for the simplest things like being profissional and in this run to prove that someone is profissional they ignore some red flags, like someone not being physically well and performing, or hyping up that x idol showed up after someone close to them passed away, that’s not professional that’s just sad and ignores the human behind the performer, people deserve time to rest, to heal, to grieve, that’s not even just about kpop idols is about all workers, all people. After all it’s the industry’s fault but sometimes fans don’t help at all, I wish in the end of the day that we( fans) and the companies could see them as humans but I think it’s almost impossible cause the industry is built by the view of seeing them as products, and they certainly market idols as such, which make a lot of fans say that something is profissional but it’s just abuse. And in the end of the day isn’t like most workers who are at the bottom have time to heal, to grieve and such, anyway if they can exploit you they will ;)
Can we just appreciate her work on all of her videos? She does hours of research, writes a script, records it and then she edits all of it - and has like many things and transitions and nothing looks like it's rushed or terrible. (It might be a 'small' detail but I really like how she doesn't just show the clips but actual explains them. Plus she gives sources which isn't always the case lol). Her channel is one of the few, where you binge-watch but instead of leaving after a while, you become a strong fan and you often wait excitedly for the next one, in addition I often find myself in a feeling of joy when the algorithm blesses me with a new vid. :D
Just thank you so much! No one really will make a “warning” in/on their videos when it comes to flashing lights/intense lights. I love watching UA-cam but I am taking a risk on some videos because of my own seizures and it just sucks. I seriously can’t thank you enough for a quick warning.
one stage that never leaves my mind is that one from Gfriend in which they performed during rain with bugs flying around them, they fell every second or other, they even said that it was traumatic for them
I'm epileptic. Those lights in Seeya's performance don't bother me but super flashy flickering lights do, sunlight sometimes too. Do I have what it takes to become a kpop star? No, because stress, anxiety, less sleep (and more) can cause seizures for me. There are other things like memory loss. Dont forget health matters more~
thats messed up! Just watching someone lock up and convulse on the floor like that was really scary!! How they could just continue to dance and lip sync while someone is struggling through a very real seizure right behind them is crazy to me...
as someone with multiple health conditions thst loves kpop i get so terrified to imagine what would happen if i did these stages. i have sm respect for these people and wish kpop events treated idols, staff, and fans health with more care
Same. To be honest I'm not interested in being an idol at all but a few times I was thinking how it would be for me to be an idol who has to take 10 pills a day 😂 epilepsy, depression, anxiety and was in a hospital for a psychotic breakdown lmao. It would be fun for me to be an idol high on drugs 😂
Seeya and their company has no excuse for what they did. So many people including the members clearly saw someone having a literal seizure and did nothing? I don't care if they were worried about being scolded by their manager or being caught lipsyncing, that's someone's life we're talking about. shame on them...
This kind of reminds me also about another thing from heechul, that he got into a huge car accident, but didnt rest enough, cuz he had to perform and now he doesnt participate in suju dance parts anymore because his legs never healed
that one backup dancer having a seizure is the scariest thing ever. I can not even imagine how she might have felt. It's the no.1 reason I hate clubs and disco flashlight.
Honestly I could never be an idol. The market itself isn’t a sustainable job unless you get popular right out the gate and that sometimes is just by pure luck but seeing all of these videos about how trainees are abused and mistreated and debuted idols risking their lives for companies to make money and fans to see them perform it’s honestly so sad. Endangering not only themselves but back up dancers and potentially staff as well.
Another thing that is really dangerous is the hiphop based choreography itself if you see taeyong and the shit he has to do is going to cost his joints, he is very obviously hypermobile and the repeated stress of doing weird moves on his ankles and knees is going to fuck him up
You could make a video about something like this with almost every group out there at some point. Fractured ribs are common, shin splints, knee surgeries. It's harsh, man. It should be a decision made by the individual if they want to perform and also a physician who can deem it to be safe to do so. I realize that a lot of companies view these humans as assets but protect your assets = continuing your revenue, let's be smarter here.
Abuse of professionalism thats kind of a new word for me, i love learning something new everyday also srry not srry but some of those people sounds like didnt have a common sense at all like how do you not at least stopping for a sec when somebody literally laying on the floor, uncontrollable, In front of ur very own eyes
I am an epileptic, just for a note when someone has an epileptic seizure all you can do is make sure they don't hurt themselves during the convolsions. So in reality, the trio could really do nothing and medical professionals had to handle it.
Letting BTS perform on a broken unstable stage while staff held it underneath their feet by bare hands is one of many despicable practices Bighit have done!! What's even more messed up is them capturing this scene on tape & airing it in their documentary for fans as a part of the emotional manipulation package & the romanticized abuse as "gratitude" in exchange for fans' loyalty! Jeopardized the group & the staffs safety // putting lives on the line // violating labor laws for a cheap drama & shock value!!
Well said x2. At this point I only see Hybe as a company hungry of money and not carrying their idols properly, starting by the fact that I want BTS to get a well deserved rest and even to start doing independent projects or just enjoying their life... They are humans....
@@Camila-qh8re I never understood when people say that a certain company is money hungry. All companies are. It's literally a business that needs money to stay afloat. There are multiple times when bighit didn't protect their idols and they need to try harder to prevent that, but we can say the same for all kpop companies. BTS have spoken up before about overall how well their company treats them and allows them time off if needed or injured. I agree with needing MORE time off, but what is said about bighit isn't exclusive to them
This is the first time I found out and honestly what were they thinking? How does a big stadium like that have an unstable stage anyways? All of those staff members trying to support the stage must be so tired from just standing there and using all of their energy when everybody would be more relieved had they not performed at that stadium at all.
8:35 Company/Managers : _She has no serious injuries._ Also Company/Managers: _She broke her leg._ Watching all this I can't help but think of the tragedy and the 8 lives that were unnecessarily and horrifically lost yesterday at Astroworld, Travis Scott's concert. People were being crushed to death from the surging crowds, and dying. And because it was so packed, people were croud surfing the bodies of the dead and unconscious and severely unjured to the edges of the crowd, where extremely unequipped and inexperienced medical staff and security tried to save them. People were screaming at Travis and his workers on stage, even jumping on stage, telling him and his staff that people were literally dying and that he needed to stop performing. He stopped momentarily, and just continued 5 seconds later like nothing happened. There was an ambulance in the crowd desperately trying to get to the wounded people, but other people were jumping ontop of it and dancing. It was horrific to see in videos, I can't imagine what the people there who were being crushed to death felt like. There were bodies laying on the ground and medical personnel trying to resuscitate them, while others tried to help but most people were literally stepping over or on these dead and unconscious people, still filming the stage with their phones, still dancing, not even looking down. It was grotesque.
This reminds me of something Joy from red velvet said in a fansign after wendy, one of her members, had a nearly fatal accident on stage which left a lot of her body fractured. "We always expect that these dangerous situations might occur when we go on stage, but it came true for wendy unnie..." The fansign was a few days after the incident, so luvies(the fans) were obviously itching to know how she was doing, seeing as how the rest of the girls were already back on schedules. All the members took their time to talk about Wendy. It broke my heart. No one should have to feel that way - that they have a chance of essentially dying every time they go to work. But the k-pop industry seems to have conditioned their artists and fans alike. If we all protested against these mistreatments a little more, maybe they would listen. But we forget. And that's the problem.
I don't think it's ok or normal to continue performing when someone is collapsing beside you. It's only normal to cancel or pause the show for medical and life threatening matter.
also takuya from cross gene. iirc during a na hago nolja performance, he did a backflip as part of the choreography, but ended up falling on and injuring his back. he continued performing, but after that, he refused to do any acrobatics on stage again, which i dont blame him for
I wouldn't enjoy a show after seeing someone is injured or having a freaking seizure. I rather go home knowing that person is being attended than staying there watching how is bearing the pain to make fans "happy". Being an idol sucks.
I have watched my babies, the members of EXO and the members of FX, have too many incidents on stage, such as Chanyeol being ripped off of stage because of heat frustration then going straight back after 3 or 4 minutes and Krystal having a diabetic crash. I have watched Tao of EXO miss an acrobatic movement and fall and Amber of FX trip and fall. All the groups of K-pop show extreme professionalism coupled with caring more about their audience than they do themselves and overshadowed with fear of pushback from their agencies. These ladies and gentlemen work hard to bring us entertainment at the risk of their own health; because they love their fans tremendously and of the repercussions of their agencies. I honestly feel that, even without the harsh punishments that their agencies pour out on them, they would still give 150% because they love their fans. They work so hard and I thank them so much for all of their hard work
Compared to part 1, these are wayyy more extreme. The show needs to be stopped, people's lives are literally at stake in the middle of performances. Professionalism should never cost people's lives.
"They wont let me rest. They are the type of people who will give me a painkiller and let me dance" I'm getting so much scared rn... My dream is to become a K-pop Idol although I know I cant and now after watching this video I'm really confused......... SHOULD I GIVE UP MY DREAM OR IDK I'M HELLA AFRAID!!!!
That Seeya accident was frustrating to watch. Why?, because seeya didn't even care about her and just continued dancing so its quite frustrating to just see idols let them suffer and not doing anything. note: this is my opinion if u can tell me further details of this incident, I would gladly accept it!
Well, I stop complaining when I saw an idol saved a stray cat from a dangerous highway, which actually revealed her actual character when there was no conflict of interest. Off course humanity is more precious. But, to think they are heartless is not an easy judgement.
“The show must go on” mentality is something that i will never be on board with😒 I understand the possibilities of getting scolded or fired by your managers for stopping…but if I saw a fellow teammate get hurt in such a cruel way or they’re clearly suffering from something serious- my immediate instincts would be to stop moving and see if they’re okay. I’m not blaming these idols for this- I’m blaming their managers and the overall work culture in this industry. I know that they’re told to continue performing and whatnot and it’s honestly sick. It doesn’t help the idols either because they’ll be scrutinized for not helping. Literally who wins in this situation? And I feel bad for BTS and their backup dancers. What if that didn’t work? Was it honestly worth it? Not only did they risk their own lives just to keep the show going but they could’ve honestly hurt so many people. What they should’ve done was call the backup dancers off the stage and alert the members to stop jumping and to stop any harsh stomps/movements...I am incredibly certain that Thai Army’s wouldn’t have rioted against them stopping their performance. It’s weird seeing y’all praise them (the team) for this…😭
Yeah when I see an idol onstage in a cast or something like that, I always think of Xiah Junsu who, despite spraining his ankle, went on stage in Japan sitting in a wheel chair and standing up to perform. It was due to his own decision, but still! That just made us fans suffer and worry so much. He's one of the top dancers of TVXQ and he said that the doctors told him, if he would make the injury worse, he could possibly never dance again. But he kept going on stage and participating in the concert. Luckily, he also has one of the strongest voices in TVXQ so we don't hear the pain literally but man... It haunts me to this day.
honestly that just made me remember when yeosang told that he dislocated a finger on stage and in the adrenaline he just popped back in place and continued the stage
I can happily click on the like button without even watching the video because I just know it's going to be top notch. I really want to applaud you because of how much research you do on each video and your voice and accent is really cute too!!
Thank you for understanding that screaming as a vocal takes actual practice. It’ll destroy your vocal chords if you don’t know what you’re doing. I’ve been practicing for over a decade (I do metal vocals) and it’s very different from just screaming. It requires a lot of vocal trading and most “screamers” are singers as well. Even back then (I’m old) they had the software available to heavily distort vocals to sound like they’re screamed and play it with the backing track to not damage the vocalist’s voice and throat. Having Heechul do that is completely irresponsible, the least they could’ve do is have someone come in to work with him on how to properly do it.
The staff during that Bts concert must have been so scared but they were so brave for doing it because if they didn’t who knows what could have happened
Reminds me of how often SM would have Tao do his martial art moves even on a wet stage, and did even get hurt (while also making him perform on a broken leg like wtf!!) There should be safety standards, so no wonder the contracts are litteral slave contracts
I'm not sure if this incident was in the first video or not because I haven't seen it yet, but SM is HORRIBLE about this mentality. Lay from EXO is a hemophiliac, and during Overdose promotions they put a bracelet on him that scratched his arm so severely it started bleeding. Then they put him on stage while it was still actively bleeding.
I think their passion for music is just so strong that they are willing to go through anything. That or they are hoping to be a part of the 2% very famous and wealthy idols.
Its ironic how some group of people are being trained and have to pay money every year to be trained on CPR in some sectors of work and how to treat and do first aid very fast and efficiently ...and here those people are just trained to use the last available minute of the time to produce money and being told to go on with the show ...its like a patient getting convulsions on the side and a doctor is finishing something else till the end ....just how twisted this world could be to punish some people with no updated training to save people's life and let those who would kill for money run freely back stage .
Whoa. I know someone who died during a seizure. Everything should have stopped and all attention should have gone to keep the dancer safe immediately. That is a life or death situation. But, you're talking about a country that has a word for death by overworking. K-pop is not the only industry in Korea where people are harmed by this mentality of "the show must go on no matter what." So, this isn't so much just a problem in K-pop but a problem in Korean culture. There needs to be a change in this society to stop valuing job performance over life.
i honestly dont know how to start this comment, so i will just do it like this. a part of me is still hanging onto the idea of standing on a stage, performing, as music is a huge passion of mine. i know though, that this will most likely never happen (lots of reasons). i have been into kpop for over a decade now, and i sure as hell dont look at this industry with rose coloured glasses anymore. there is just so much going wrong that people ignore or just dont seem to notice.
The culture is so ingrained in everyone's mind that even the idols end up feeling like they are not meant to stop performing even if something goes wrong. And if you ever, ever, ever read a company statement saying they didn't know the idol wasn't well, that the idol insisted on performing... BULLSHIT. They are told to perform no matter what at all times. From early trainee stages. It becomes a part of them.
i had no idea the staff at the bts concert held a collapsing stage up with their bare hands. that is insane and was probably the longest and most frightening 4 minutes of the staff's life. the 9muses accident is crazy.
I appreciate some idols professionalism but the SeeYa one should've stop immediately. Someone is literally having a epileptic seizure and the dancers and SeeYa members were still performing? And how could the agency not know this about the backup dancers seizure????
A bit ago, UA-cam recommended this video in my feed, probably because I had previously watched this video. Despite having seen clips here, I did not recognize the song and watched it unprepared. Wow! That is really upsetting to see unexpectedly. Poor girl. How could they continue on? Just stop, take care of the situation, and start over again!
No way…. Seeya’s performance should’ve stopped immediately. There’s someone convulsing on the floor and everyone’s still going? I hate this “the show must go on” thing. There’s gotta be a limit to that.
100 % agree. that was disgusting. no one helped. for me, when health and safety of someone or people are at risk, that's the limit.
Yup... Especially after this tragedy at Travis Scott's concert. If he would have listened to the people screaming at him that others were dying, and stopped the concert, I guarantee that some of those lives could have been saved yesterday.
I hate how the phrase has gotten to the point that it even promotes ignoring medical emergencies or situations that risk the performers safety and well-being.
@@mirriam6997 Exactly.
Look at the ASTROWORLD incident that happened right now... virtually the same negligence
GOOD PROFESSIONALISM: fixing a wardrobe malfunction on stage, tripping but not injuring yourself and contuing to sing, performing despite light or music malfunctions
BAD PROFESSIONALISM: literally risking your life and health to keep performing
Or someone else's...
@@oliverhughes610 Yes. That is the epitome of good professionalism. On the reverse side, seeing someone get injured on stage and continuing to perform us VERY bad 'professionalism'
@@lemoncakeslemonade5430 Hold on, so risking your own life is bad professionalism, but risking someone else's is the epitome of good? I see...
@@oliverhughes610 I misunderstood! I thought you meant someone helping someone else fix their outfit, which is really good professionalism! But the performance needs to be safe for EVERYONE, and if there is a safety risk for anyone (back up dancers, staff members, etc) then the performance should be stopped because that is very dangerous for tbe workers. Sorry about tbe misunderstanding!
I agree, a great performance is awsome but it should'nt be risking anyone's life.
Edit: I messed up and wrote "should" instead of "shouldn't"
and the fact that the backup dancer that helped her probably got fired is horrible.
Yup. It's a disgusting mentality. Watching all this I can't help but think of the tragedy and the 8 lives that were unnecessarily and horrifically lost yesterday at Astroworld, Travis Scott's concert. People were being crushed to death from the surging crowds, and dying. And because it was so packed, people were croud surfing the bodies of the dead and unconscious and severely unjured to the edges of the crowd, where extremely unequipped and inexperienced medical staff and security tried to save them. People were screaming at Travis and his workers on stage, even jumping on stage, telling him and his staff that people were literally dying and that he needed to stop performing. He stopped momentarily, and just continued 5 seconds later like nothing happened. There was an ambulance in the crowd desperately trying to get to the wounded people, but other people were jumping ontop of it and dancing. It was horrific to see in videos, I can't imagine what the people there who were being crushed to death felt like. There were bodies laying on the ground and medical personnel trying to resuscitate them, while others tried to help but most people were literally stepping over or on these dead and unconscious people, still filming the stage with their phones, still dancing, not even looking down. It was grotesque.
She didn’t get fired. People were already mad at the group and the company, firing her would’ve made them go wild.
wait really!!?
That they thought someone having a horrific-looking seizure on stage wasn't as distracting as if they just paused the performance for 10 mins or something.
Maybe you shouldn’t say a “probable” comment (as you said yourself) as a “fact”
South korea's working culture has to be blamed too. Taking a break or leave even if you are genuinely sick is often looked upon. That's why we have seen that even when an idol have to sit out of a performance just due to some medical reasons they look extremely guilty as if they have committed a crime. I find this quite disturbing.
This is maybe off topic, but this comment reminded me of something AleXa talked about in OTV's podcast- how they had to film her MV for like 3 days straight vs how in the US you only work less than 12hrs a day.
Like, SK really had me fooled with their minors-not-working-after-midnight law, do they not have laws for adults? or do they just not follow them
@@aerun with the law situstion:
I would guess they don't have the same law for adults, a different "version"
Or that it has to do with the working mentality that some countries have.
(The terrible "work until you die or starve" one... sth like that?)
Looked down upon*. You missed the ‘down’
@@aerun I saw that podcast episode too, I can't imagine working for even 12 hours straight, let alone 72 hours, I would be so tired ...
I know right..
being an idol is terrifying, sometimes it's just not worth it.
As someone with epilepsy myself, it’s not a joke. That poor dancer. I feel for them, I really and truly do. Living with epilepsy is hard. Strobe lights suck and I avoid them as best I can, but sometimes you just can’t. I’m glad that girl is okay though and that SUDEP didn’t end up occurring.
what is sudep?
@@homeland1128 cl0wn
@@mee6703 gtfo and finish ur shltpile of school assigments, future incel
@@homeland1128 Sudden unexpected death in epilepsy which is abbreviated SUDEP. That's when someone has strong seizures all the time or multiple seizures one after another so they cause irregular heart rythm and difficulty with breathing and death can happen.
What can you so to help when someone has an epileptic seizure?
i think the line between professionalism and abuse is very thin when it comes to accidents and injuries on stage in kpop. some companies are obviously notorious for forcing their idols to keep performing, but it's slowly becoming more and more common for companies to put their idols' health first nowadays when it comes to injuries and health with this new gen of kpop idols
The problem is that some idols just insists on performing even when they are recommended not to. One example I could give is SinB, she finished multiple performances while having a dislocated shoulder (a reccuring injury) and also performed to the point of fainting from exhaustion.
@@crudojoshuaricofort8795 ah I remember that :(
some idols are too hard on themselves and kept pushing past their limit :(
@@crudojoshuaricofort8795 it's because of south korea's working cultures as well. Taking a break or leave even if you are genuinely sick is often looked upon. That's why we have seen that even when an idol have to sit out of a performance just due to some medical reasons they look extremely guilty as if they have committed a crime. I find this quite disturbing.
Bts abused the staff by making them hold the stage that's right
@@shradhamathur7554 it honestly is. Like your health is just as if not more important than one performance
This makes me think of Wendy. She got “lucky“ and the pandemic started so she had time to rest but I can’t imagine the rehabilitation and how she must have felt going through it. She got so messed up and I can’t remember if anything came out of it in terms of punishment like on the side of SBS?
That’s the one thing I love about this channel: actual research. No one would have ever brought up the seeya incident since it didn’t happen in the last 5 years, so I appreciate the time and effort put into this. I actually forgot about the seeya incident
actual research with wrong statements? seeya never said they havent seen it happening, they have been told/shown (from the side of the stage) to continue (only Nam Gyu Ri didnt even see it at all as she was too focused on the performance). right after this performance/accident happened we were all waiting for a statement and wanted to know if the backup dancer was okay, so I remember that they were saying the staffs/manager-whoever people didnt want to stop the performance because the remix-promotion for that song was the first time for SeeYa to not sing live, they were known for their great vocals and live singing, so it would have been bad for their image or something if someone would find out this time it was not live (even though it was obvious but they tought no one would realize or whatever).
@@Yasminh- I think this is a comment you should have made directly to the video and not to me. If you had a problem with what was said then please let the creator know. When I said actual research I meant that this person took the time out to actually find out things that happened in the past. Too often most kpop creators here don’t go past 5-7 years ago because they don’t care about what happened before they got into kpop.
It’s unfortunate that you misunderstood my comment, but a lot of other people did not. Hopefully this explanation helps you out, and again if you have an issue with what the creator said then comment directly to them, because your comment is wasted here and possibly won’t be seen as well as you hoped it would. Only reason why I’m seeing it is because I check my emails
Omg that poor dancer with epilepsy...
As someone with epilepsy I'm just gonna add something here - they should have stopped the performance and cover her with something that lights stop triggering her more. They shouldn't drag her off the stage in the middle of her seizure, that's dangerous. They just needed to put her on her side that she doesn't lay on her back and that should have been it. Man...I'm so angry and sad at the same time.
I would have had no idea what to do if someone has a seizure around me, but what you said makes a lot of sense. In the clip, she seemed to be reaching out toward other people, is that something she could control? The danger of a seizure is mainly to choke/asphyxiation, since the tongue muscle is also seizing up, right?
@@aJazzyFeel I hope you will never see someone having a seizure because it's a scary and sad thing to see but if it happens the only two things you need to do is lay the person on the side so that person doesn't choke with spit or tongue and call emergency. That's it.
Also, to be honest I know many people with epilepsy and I've read about it a lot, but I've never heard someone could control their seizures. But there are many different kind of seizures so maybe I missed some... I don't remember mine at all and I also don't remember basically the whole day when the seizure happened and most of the day after.
@@me9981 thank you for replying! yeah, from what I've garnered in informative videos and comments like yours, I never once heard that someone can control their seizure. that's why the girl in the video was even more eerie to watch. i'm not sure the staff was trained on epilepsy, based on how long it took for them to step in. I don't wanna ride on this topic for too long but the last I'll say is that what bothers me the most in the video is that the left the girl seized up on the floor for a while it seems. i'm not blaming the performers, i'm blaming the staff that didn't immediately rush over. even if what they did is wrong and dangerous, did they think she would just stop having the seizure? even i know that they're not just like "whoopsie my leg gave out now i'm on the floor but i'm okay and getting up, sorry!" but it can take a WHILE to stop. i'm truly thinking that none of the staff knew what epilepsy looks like, or the staff asked the manager first and the manager gave the go-ahead to continue until the staff went anyway. all in all, shitty situation for everyone involved. shitty to witness.
@@aJazzyFeel as someone who witnessed someone having a seizure (my brother unfortunately, this was many years ago and he’s made a full recovery since) if you find that they still aren’t breathing even if you lay them on their side, it could be a sign their throat is closed and they’re suffocating themselves, the best thing to do is to open their mouth and stick your fingers in and spread them open so it forces their airways to open again, they had to do it to my brother and honestly without that little split second decision, I would’ve became an only child that day
@@Fimpurities True, I forgot to add that could happen so you need to do something about it if it happens. I'm glad your brother is fine now omg ❤️
Coughing up blood..? They should’ve stopped him from doing it it taught him how! That’s so scary 😦
I remember in my early stage of being a Kpop fan, I was like, "being an idol must be so fun, dancing and singing, wearing beautiful outfits, befriending other idols, interacting with fans etc etc." Thank god, I don't have that mindset anymore 😐
I used to have it but now I think I would have metallic poles in my legs
younger fans might have that everything is fun n joyful mindset..they don't know about the reality of being an idol..
I still know that but I will still become one
@@Im_Charizzma_boss_baby_Ricky honestly if that's what you want to do, go for it! Just don't push yourself too hard ig.
@@yujuuth6017 Ok!
This is why Sunmi sang "heroine." These guys are told as the main stars, they can never stop no matter happens to them. "The show must go on," she sang. I always thought that line felt heavy.
Same
im pretty sure she wrote that line in reference to her father's death which occured shortly before her debut, but it can easily be applied here. i was thinking of heroine all throughout this video
This reminds me T1419’s Kevin performed despite having a broken wrist and had a arm sling. He wanted to do it cause it was the last day of promotions for Exit and plus 9 boys “have to appear” lol however I’m worried he was forced
Why do they always say they wanted to do it?😭
@@harleyqueeen well he did for real but I’m a bit worried he was forced at the same time. He didn’t wanna let his members and fans down.
The staff was so brave, risking their lives to hold up the stage so bts and the dancers won't fall. Shout out to them honestly, I would've ran away lol
Unrelated but our names somewhat match
Kudos to them! I got goosebumps seeing that clip. They are truly committed!
Ikrr
I think this is not brave at all. Better for them to take a break and set up poles before continuing instead of risking peoples lives.
@@jennferley8854 completely agree, this was caused unnecessary danger in my opinion, thing could've collapsed any second
Honestly that woman collapsed and convulsed for far too long before anyone decided to help her. Heartbreaking! How could anyone see that happening and not stop
Remember of what happened during dream concert featuring many kpop groups . The the stage was SOAKED in rain , so many idols fall but kept dancing cuz the show must go on :(
I feel like a lot of fans romanticize an idol's sufferings and struggles in the name of professionalism and hard work when it is just plain abuse. Just stop. Also, after the astroworld incident too, I hope people will be more cautious and the companies more responsible because these things can occur at any concert/gathering and can be prevented if you manage things well enough.. I hope the entertainment industries everywhere learn something especially considering how devastating it can be..
This!
Agree. its like whoever hurt the most, work the most. which doesnt make sense.
@@ihbfkillwqtrsrvlln000 pity stanning also becoming a thing is kinda concerning and disrespectful.
@@ars4696 fans are degenerating slowly
It's so weird,also reminds me of how armies romanticize the things BTS went through,it's so disrespectful
There are certain moments when I agree in "the show must go on" quote, but that seizure incident was ridiculous. It's obvious what's going on and you dance around her? No shame or heart
Who else remembered they made the leader of B.A.P perform with a broken bone injury during an MV shooting? All in all just extremely sad and they should've handled that better. Thank god TS ent is gone.
Omg which MV? I forgot..
i don't remember that kind of incident but i know he got a burn while shooting the warrior mv😥 b.a.p often had to perform injured or tired, Daehyun especially had it bad
Yes there was a time when daehyun was forced to perform when he had been hospitalised for exhaustion
as an epileptic person, it is so scary to see a person to have a seizure even in the back row, to be published on live tv. this happened to me in public to and it’s so scary
n1asked
@@mee6703 then why are you replying?
@@tofudubuu8804 that doesnt make any sense, who even are you
@@mee6703 no one talkin to you neither smarty
@@mee6703 who the fuck are _you?_ lmao you rudely told them 'no one asked' when they were simply sharing their similar experiences as in the video, so it was clear to me you didn't give a single shit about that which was why I asked. If you're just here to be an unreasonable dick, why are you replying?
As for Seeya's performance, when they continued singing, the first thing I thought was "production is yelling in their in-ears they can't stop". Seeing how fast a staff came only after a dancer stopped is kinda confirming that they were perfectly aware but didn't want to stop the performance. All the girls, including dancers, became scapegoats
“The show must go on” mentality applies to things like mistakes with singing and dancing, minor wardrobe malfunctions (like accessories falling off), or stage technical difficulties like the music going out. NOT situations where people’s health and lives are in danger. ESPECIALLY when those situations could be easily avoided or there’s an alternative solution
The car accident thing happened to Girls Generation too!
OTW to the broadcast station they got in an accident, but they were told they wouldn't be allowed to perform if they were late. They literally ran ON FOOT the rest of the way, still performed, and got their 1st win.
The entirety of Nine Muses life as stars was so sad. I remember watching the documentary and, no matter what idols go through, SMACKING your idols on the head and making them practice when they are injured is simply abuse. It's not the life of an idol, it's not excusable under any circumstances and I'm sick of companies try to justify this shit
It is really scary that some idols still stay performing like after coughing up blood 😖
I think that in the first few generations of KPOP it was common for a company to force an idol to keep performing even while injured, which is straight up abuse, however we as fans are also aware that kpop is not an industry built to have longevity so idols will force themselves to keep performing even while injured in fear of fan or management reactions. Luckily, this is changing nowadays and a lot more companies are putting the health of the idols first.
Seeya’s stage was straight up horrifying. How do y’all let her nearly die, before helping her. 😳
I remember when VIXX members Leo and Ravi passed out at a concert in South America because of dehydration/ over heating in the suits they wore. Also N passed out due to exhaustion on stage at their mini concert that celebrated them as new ambassadors for a water park :(
There was also a performance where N strained his back and kept dancing. I remember you could see the pain visible in his face and stance. I don't remember where I saw that, it was years ago.
I heard that they made Leo perform with an entire IV in his arm
this reminds me of that one time taeyeon almost got kidnapped ON STAGE and everyone continued performing until the end
heechul also did that comeback (2007) right after his car accident instead of being able to get the proper rest and treatment. the strenous dancing caused the metal rod implanted in his leg to bend and didn't allow his leg to fully heal. heenim continued to push through this for over a decade and a little known fact is due to his leg he's actually classified as disabled in SK which is why he didn't have to go for active duty in the military, and despite that classification he still received/recieves hate for going into civil services and sitting out from comebacks now :/ and if we're talking about returning to work too soon, kyuhyun literally did this comeback (2007) after recovering from a coma from a separate car accident along with 3 more members... suju has gone through way too much to be the punching bag of kpop so pls be kind to them and not blindly believe the false stories constantly spread about them :(
It's sad to see what company's are willing to put them thru just for some money...
Omg, Heechul! I’m not a fan, but I care about the whole world. All of these stories break my heart.
You're a sweetheart.
And yeah...and it was not only his vocals. He had a car accident around 2010 (not sure if it is) and got badly injured. He had 2 surgeries and was back to work in a wheelchair like 4 months after. Imagine that...
@@me9981 it was 2007, for the comeback in the video only, the dancing caused the metal rod in his leg to bend and he's actually classified as level 4 disability in SK because of it
If you watch H.O.T's 1999 concert and skip to Heejun's solo stage, you can actually see him fall on stage. What's most painful is that he still came back for the last song with the rest of the group, although he was visibly in pain.
When you asked "do you have what it takes to become a kpop idol" I already knew my answer was a firm *"No."* I know I would not be fit for that, and I won't pretend like I am. But after watching this video my answer is "HELL no" holy crap. I've heard of some of these before but these stories never fail to shock me.
Not even idols have what it takes to be idols
Dal Shabet’s maknae also fell off stage during a performance too, plus Onew fainting from a stage-set almost collapsing on him. So many accidents, the video will be longer than 2 hours.
That seizure one was scary, like why did it take everyone so long to help her??? I'll rather ruin a performance than ignore my member that's having a seizure.... selfish😒
iKON's B.I had an eye surgery and doctors said his eyes has a sensitivity to light and he shouldn't go on stage or he could become blind but YG still mad him do a concert. And he was also doing a concert when he needed surgery for his nodules in his vocal cords.
That's straight up abuse no one can call that professionalism
Super Junior were also involved in car accident around Don't Don era, and Heechul was one of the members that has serious injury. Poor him. 😔
Wasn't Heechul in 3 car accidents? Or just 2? I'm not sure anymore 🤦♀️
Poor guy, breaks my heart
@@me9981 theyve all been in too many its very sad :(
The whole concept of the show must go on is about having back up, safety nets and contingencies for everything. It should never be about further injuring yourself at the demand of an unfeeling company.
Stans/fans try to hype their favs up for everything, even for the simplest things like being profissional and in this run to prove that someone is profissional they ignore some red flags, like someone not being physically well and performing, or hyping up that x idol showed up after someone close to them passed away, that’s not professional that’s just sad and ignores the human behind the performer, people deserve time to rest, to heal, to grieve, that’s not even just about kpop idols is about all workers, all people.
After all it’s the industry’s fault but sometimes fans don’t help at all, I wish in the end of the day that we( fans) and the companies could see them as humans but I think it’s almost impossible cause the industry is built by the view of seeing them as products, and they certainly market idols as such, which make a lot of fans say that something is profissional but it’s just abuse.
And in the end of the day isn’t like most workers who are at the bottom have time to heal, to grieve and such, anyway if they can exploit you they will ;)
Can we just appreciate her work on all of her videos?
She does hours of research, writes a script, records it and then she edits all of it - and has like many things and transitions and nothing looks like it's rushed or terrible.
(It might be a 'small' detail but I really like how she doesn't just show the clips but actual explains them.
Plus she gives sources which isn't always the case lol).
Her channel is one of the few, where you binge-watch but instead of leaving after a while, you become a strong fan and you often wait excitedly for the next one,
in addition I often find myself in a feeling of joy when the algorithm blesses me with a new vid. :D
Just thank you so much! No one really will make a “warning” in/on their videos when it comes to flashing lights/intense lights. I love watching UA-cam but I am taking a risk on some videos because of my own seizures and it just sucks. I seriously can’t thank you enough for a quick warning.
one stage that never leaves my mind is that one from Gfriend in which they performed during rain with bugs flying around them, they fell every second or other, they even said that it was traumatic for them
I'm epileptic. Those lights in Seeya's performance don't bother me but super flashy flickering lights do, sunlight sometimes too. Do I have what it takes to become a kpop star? No, because stress, anxiety, less sleep (and more) can cause seizures for me. There are other things like memory loss. Dont forget health matters more~
That must be hard, I hope you’re doing well
thats messed up! Just watching someone lock up and convulse on the floor like that was really scary!! How they could just continue to dance and lip sync while someone is struggling through a very real seizure right behind them is crazy to me...
as someone with multiple health conditions thst loves kpop i get so terrified to imagine what would happen if i did these stages. i have sm respect for these people and wish kpop events treated idols, staff, and fans health with more care
Same. To be honest I'm not interested in being an idol at all but a few times I was thinking how it would be for me to be an idol who has to take 10 pills a day 😂 epilepsy, depression, anxiety and was in a hospital for a psychotic breakdown lmao. It would be fun for me to be an idol high on drugs 😂
Seeya and their company has no excuse for what they did. So many people including the members clearly saw someone having a literal seizure and did nothing? I don't care if they were worried about being scolded by their manager or being caught lipsyncing, that's someone's life we're talking about. shame on them...
This kind of reminds me also about another thing from heechul, that he got into a huge car accident, but didnt rest enough, cuz he had to perform and now he doesnt participate in suju dance parts anymore because his legs never healed
omg that poor dancer.why didnt they stop smh
that one backup dancer having a seizure is the scariest thing ever. I can not even imagine how she might have felt. It's the no.1 reason I hate clubs and disco flashlight.
Honestly I could never be an idol. The market itself isn’t a sustainable job unless you get popular right out the gate and that sometimes is just by pure luck but seeing all of these videos about how trainees are abused and mistreated and debuted idols risking their lives for companies to make money and fans to see them perform it’s honestly so sad. Endangering not only themselves but back up dancers and potentially staff as well.
Another thing that is really dangerous is the hiphop based choreography itself if you see taeyong and the shit he has to do is going to cost his joints, he is very obviously hypermobile and the repeated stress of doing weird moves on his ankles and knees is going to fuck him up
You could make a video about something like this with almost every group out there at some point. Fractured ribs are common, shin splints, knee surgeries. It's harsh, man. It should be a decision made by the individual if they want to perform and also a physician who can deem it to be safe to do so. I realize that a lot of companies view these humans as assets but protect your assets = continuing your revenue, let's be smarter here.
Abuse of professionalism thats kind of a new word for me, i love learning something new everyday also srry not srry but some of those people sounds like didnt have a common sense at all like how do you not at least stopping for a sec when somebody literally laying on the floor, uncontrollable, In front of ur very own eyes
its called not caring, imagine that.
I had no idea to any of this, so shocking I can't believe it.
Siwon performing with 39°(almost 40°) degree at SS8 in Manila..😭
I am an epileptic, just for a note when someone has an epileptic seizure all you can do is make sure they don't hurt themselves during the convolsions. So in reality, the trio could really do nothing and medical professionals had to handle it.
def abuse, scarred so much they wont/cant stop for a medical emergency. scary.
The fact they kept dancing whilst someone had a seizure is DISGUSTING.
Watching this after the Astroworld tragedy really unsettles me.
this came at a time where I was bored, oh my goodness.
blessed
Letting BTS perform on a broken unstable stage while staff held it underneath their feet by bare hands is one of many despicable practices Bighit have done!!
What's even more messed up is them capturing this scene on tape & airing it in their documentary for fans as a part of the emotional manipulation package & the romanticized abuse as "gratitude" in exchange for fans' loyalty!
Jeopardized the group & the staffs safety // putting lives on the line // violating labor laws for a cheap drama & shock value!!
well said
Well said x2. At this point I only see Hybe as a company hungry of money and not carrying their idols properly, starting by the fact that I want BTS to get a well deserved rest and even to start doing independent projects or just enjoying their life... They are humans....
@@Camila-qh8re I never understood when people say that a certain company is money hungry. All companies are. It's literally a business that needs money to stay afloat. There are multiple times when bighit didn't protect their idols and they need to try harder to prevent that, but we can say the same for all kpop companies. BTS have spoken up before about overall how well their company treats them and allows them time off if needed or injured. I agree with needing MORE time off, but what is said about bighit isn't exclusive to them
well said 3x!!!
This is the first time I found out and honestly what were they thinking? How does a big stadium like that have an unstable stage anyways? All of those staff members trying to support the stage must be so tired from just standing there and using all of their energy when everybody would be more relieved had they not performed at that stadium at all.
Thank you so much for the warning about the blood scene
8:35 Company/Managers : _She has no serious injuries._
Also Company/Managers: _She broke her leg._
Watching all this I can't help but think of the tragedy and the 8 lives that were unnecessarily and horrifically lost yesterday at Astroworld, Travis Scott's concert. People were being crushed to death from the surging crowds, and dying. And because it was so packed, people were croud surfing the bodies of the dead and unconscious and severely unjured to the edges of the crowd, where extremely unequipped and inexperienced medical staff and security tried to save them. People were screaming at Travis and his workers on stage, even jumping on stage, telling him and his staff that people were literally dying and that he needed to stop performing. He stopped momentarily, and just continued 5 seconds later like nothing happened. There was an ambulance in the crowd desperately trying to get to the wounded people, but other people were jumping ontop of it and dancing. It was horrific to see in videos, I can't imagine what the people there who were being crushed to death felt like. There were bodies laying on the ground and medical personnel trying to resuscitate them, while others tried to help but most people were literally stepping over or on these dead and unconscious people, still filming the stage with their phones, still dancing, not even looking down. It was grotesque.
This reminds me of something Joy from red velvet said in a fansign after wendy, one of her members, had a nearly fatal accident on stage which left a lot of her body fractured.
"We always expect that these dangerous situations might occur when we go on stage, but it came true for wendy unnie..."
The fansign was a few days after the incident, so luvies(the fans) were obviously itching to know how she was doing, seeing as how the rest of the girls were already back on schedules. All the members took their time to talk about Wendy.
It broke my heart. No one should have to feel that way - that they have a chance of essentially dying every time they go to work. But the k-pop industry seems to have conditioned their artists and fans alike.
If we all protested against these mistreatments a little more, maybe they would listen. But we forget. And that's the problem.
I don't think it's ok or normal to continue performing when someone is collapsing beside you. It's only normal to cancel or pause the show for medical and life threatening matter.
also takuya from cross gene. iirc during a na hago nolja performance, he did a backflip as part of the choreography, but ended up falling on and injuring his back. he continued performing, but after that, he refused to do any acrobatics on stage again, which i dont blame him for
I wouldn't enjoy a show after seeing someone is injured or having a freaking seizure. I rather go home knowing that person is being attended than staying there watching how is bearing the pain to make fans "happy". Being an idol sucks.
For me, being an idol is just scary for me, most of the time, it's not worth the risk.
I have watched my babies, the members of EXO and the members of FX, have too many incidents on stage, such as Chanyeol being ripped off of stage because of heat frustration then going straight back after 3 or 4 minutes and Krystal having a diabetic crash. I have watched Tao of EXO miss an acrobatic movement and fall and Amber of FX trip and fall. All the groups of K-pop show extreme professionalism coupled with caring more about their audience than they do themselves and overshadowed with fear of pushback from their agencies. These ladies and gentlemen work hard to bring us entertainment at the risk of their own health; because they love their fans tremendously and of the repercussions of their agencies. I honestly feel that, even without the harsh punishments that their agencies pour out on them, they would still give 150% because they love their fans. They work so hard and I thank them so much for all of their hard work
There's a video of Yesung, I think, falling in stage at an outdoor performance and it sounded and looked so painful.
Compared to part 1, these are wayyy more extreme. The show needs to be stopped, people's lives are literally at stake in the middle of performances. Professionalism should never cost people's lives.
"They wont let me rest. They are the type of people who will give me a painkiller and let me dance"
I'm getting so much scared rn... My dream is to become a K-pop Idol although I know I cant and now after watching this video I'm really confused......... SHOULD I GIVE UP MY DREAM OR IDK I'M HELLA AFRAID!!!!
@@nikfiendluvr666 aww thanks for your opinion but then should i give up this dream?? :(
don’t do it. it’s not worth it
That Seeya accident was frustrating to watch. Why?, because seeya didn't even care about her and just continued dancing so its quite frustrating to just see idols let them suffer and not doing anything.
note: this is my opinion if u can tell me further details of this incident, I would gladly accept it!
Well, I stop complaining when I saw an idol saved a stray cat from a dangerous highway, which actually revealed her actual character when there was no conflict of interest. Off course humanity is more precious. But, to think they are heartless is not an easy judgement.
“The show must go on” mentality is something that i will never be on board with😒 I understand the possibilities of getting scolded or fired by your managers for stopping…but if I saw a fellow teammate get hurt in such a cruel way or they’re clearly suffering from something serious- my immediate instincts would be to stop moving and see if they’re okay.
I’m not blaming these idols for this- I’m blaming their managers and the overall work culture in this industry. I know that they’re told to continue performing and whatnot and it’s honestly sick. It doesn’t help the idols either because they’ll be scrutinized for not helping. Literally who wins in this situation?
And I feel bad for BTS and their backup dancers. What if that didn’t work? Was it honestly worth it? Not only did they risk their own lives just to keep the show going but they could’ve honestly hurt so many people. What they should’ve done was call the backup dancers off the stage and alert the members to stop jumping and to stop any harsh stomps/movements...I am incredibly certain that Thai Army’s wouldn’t have rioted against them stopping their performance.
It’s weird seeing y’all praise them (the team) for this…😭
Yeah when I see an idol onstage in a cast or something like that, I always think of Xiah Junsu who, despite spraining his ankle, went on stage in Japan sitting in a wheel chair and standing up to perform. It was due to his own decision, but still! That just made us fans suffer and worry so much. He's one of the top dancers of TVXQ and he said that the doctors told him, if he would make the injury worse, he could possibly never dance again. But he kept going on stage and participating in the concert. Luckily, he also has one of the strongest voices in TVXQ so we don't hear the pain literally but man... It haunts me to this day.
honestly that just made me remember when yeosang told that he dislocated a finger on stage and in the adrenaline he just popped back in place and continued the stage
I can happily click on the like button without even watching the video because I just know it's going to be top notch. I really want to applaud you because of how much research you do on each video and your voice and accent is really cute too!!
Thank you for understanding that screaming as a vocal takes actual practice. It’ll destroy your vocal chords if you don’t know what you’re doing. I’ve been practicing for over a decade (I do metal vocals) and it’s very different from just screaming. It requires a lot of vocal trading and most “screamers” are singers as well. Even back then (I’m old) they had the software available to heavily distort vocals to sound like they’re screamed and play it with the backing track to not damage the vocalist’s voice and throat. Having Heechul do that is completely irresponsible, the least they could’ve do is have someone come in to work with him on how to properly do it.
The staff during that Bts concert must have been so scared but they were so brave for doing it because if they didn’t who knows what could have happened
Reminds me of how often SM would have Tao do his martial art moves even on a wet stage, and did even get hurt (while also making him perform on a broken leg like wtf!!) There should be safety standards, so no wonder the contracts are litteral slave contracts
I'm not sure if this incident was in the first video or not because I haven't seen it yet, but SM is HORRIBLE about this mentality. Lay from EXO is a hemophiliac, and during Overdose promotions they put a bracelet on him that scratched his arm so severely it started bleeding. Then they put him on stage while it was still actively bleeding.
Oh my god, the stage was about to break? Thats so scary...
who tf would want to be an idol tbh
from bodyshaming, colorism, bullying, low payment and then this? no
I think their passion for music is just so strong that they are willing to go through anything. That or they are hoping to be a part of the 2% very famous and wealthy idols.
Nah I love you channel it’s so creepy-
The epileptic at 6:15 is bitter. None of the girls around her helped her and let her lie on the ground until staff arive...
Why in the hell didn't they stop the show for that backup dancer?! That's horrible and disrespectful....
Its ironic how some group of people are being trained and have to pay money every year to be trained on CPR in some sectors of work and how to treat and do first aid very fast and efficiently ...and here those people are just trained to use the last available minute of the time to produce money and being told to go on with the show ...its like a patient getting convulsions on the side and a doctor is finishing something else till the end ....just how twisted this world could be to punish some people with no updated training to save people's life and let those who would kill for money run freely back stage .
These companies have too much liberty over their artists imo... where is the government? Idols deserve human rights too
Whoa. I know someone who died during a seizure. Everything should have stopped and all attention should have gone to keep the dancer safe immediately. That is a life or death situation.
But, you're talking about a country that has a word for death by overworking. K-pop is not the only industry in Korea where people are harmed by this mentality of "the show must go on no matter what." So, this isn't so much just a problem in K-pop but a problem in Korean culture. There needs to be a change in this society to stop valuing job performance over life.
That heechul story 😨😨😨
i honestly dont know how to start this comment, so i will just do it like this. a part of me is still hanging onto the idea of standing on a stage, performing, as music is a huge passion of mine. i know though, that this will most likely never happen (lots of reasons).
i have been into kpop for over a decade now, and i sure as hell dont look at this industry with rose coloured glasses anymore. there is just so much going wrong that people ignore or just dont seem to notice.
The culture is so ingrained in everyone's mind that even the idols end up feeling like they are not meant to stop performing even if something goes wrong. And if you ever, ever, ever read a company statement saying they didn't know the idol wasn't well, that the idol insisted on performing... BULLSHIT. They are told to perform no matter what at all times. From early trainee stages. It becomes a part of them.
It gets me extremely angry how the show must go on when someone has a damn seizure, wtf is wrong with them!?
i had no idea the staff at the bts concert held a collapsing stage up with their bare hands. that is insane and was probably the longest and most frightening 4 minutes of the staff's life. the 9muses accident is crazy.
I appreciate some idols professionalism but the SeeYa one should've stop immediately. Someone is literally having a epileptic seizure and the dancers and SeeYa members were still performing? And how could the agency not know this about the backup dancers seizure????
It's common, BUT THIS HAS TO STOP!
Hey Midnight! I just came back from str3eaming T1419 mvs I love ur vids!
The seizure one makes me so sad...
A bit ago, UA-cam recommended this video in my feed, probably because I had previously watched this video. Despite having seen clips here, I did not recognize the song and watched it unprepared. Wow! That is really upsetting to see unexpectedly. Poor girl. How could they continue on? Just stop, take care of the situation, and start over again!