Its just only fun and Nothing like this... Just "Ratio deserved" "corny" "No one cares" and If it gets intense they bring records or achievements to it.... Thats all....
Oh my god, I can't even imagine how it would feel seeing that black ocean. Like, imagine working your butt off to get this performance right just to see that? That shit is terrifying. I'm glad Girls Generation didn't know what was going on at the time. Shout out to those who had the pink lights on, they're real ones
The dumbest part of the H.O.T/Sechskies fan feud is that the groups themselves didn’t start it. It was started by the media and their companies, then spread to the fans. When Sechskies debuted, H.O.T was super excited because they thought they were going to have friends who would understand what it’s like to be an idol. The only actual negative interaction between the two groups was a misunderstanding between Heejun and Jiwon. But the members have been close since disbandment with Heejun/Jiwon supporting each other and Jaeduk/Tony living together and scheming to combine both groups. Even though Sechskies knew they were supposed to be H.O.T’s rivals, H.O.T considered NRG and Taesaja to be bigger threats. Also, Woohyuk and Jaeduk were friends pre-debut. Also tbh, Reply 1997 is full of inaccuracies of both groups. It features music, images, and events that didn’t happen until after the 90s timeline in the show. So, take it with a grain of salt.
I still think it's crazy H.O.T considered NRG to be their actual rivals. Fans today don't really remember NRG but it's cool that arguably the number 1 boy group at the time saw them as a threat.
@@emmakirton NRG were no joke at debut. Jaewon and Woohyuk went to get extra training (I believe it was some kind of martial arts training because Jaewon was familiar with it) before their 3rd album because they felt like they would have struggled to compete with NRG otherwise. NRG were also good friends with a lot of major groups at the time, including H.O.T and Shinhwa.
Throwback to when someone spread rumors that BTS had been attacked by “crazy fans” when they were in Sweden and Swedes even made apology videos on behalf of those who hurt them. The boys themselves apparently confirmed that no such thing happened. Wouldn’t surprise me if some anti made that rumor to make the BTS fandom look bad :/
@@gtblade2806 there has been false SA allegations made by fans as well. B1A4 fans said a Dal Shabet fan had raped and beaten a member of the former's fandom, an allegation that was investigated and found to be false by police. So ridiculous to take things that far
@@annie_xo I've known of Kpop since 2004-05 but I've been into Kpop since 2008, the internet was big but when compared to now, things are more readily available and accessible. only way to find out certain info back then was thru someone else on MySpace, Facebook, a Kpop chat room or something. now a days there's so many avenues to get the info, like thru UA-cam (mainly UA-camrs who gives us news) Twitter, IG, Facebook, Reddit and more
I always hate when people say fanwars have gotten worse. People have just always been terrible. Same with the internet in general, before there were dms people would send hate mail old school style. Like there is just a certain type of human that exists to be toxic and they are in every fandom/interest/hobby etc, kpop and non-kpop. It's easy online because people can make fake accounts and be anonymous. Just ignore it truly, report it and dont interact. Follow accounts that aren't sitting there arguing all day. Fire feeds fire, only by depriving it of oxygen can you kill it. Same goes for internet hate. I feel like so many people in the younger generation have never heard 'dont feed the troll'. Dont give attention and make sure you have a non-tolerance on your end. Call out your co-fandom, friends, etc. Giving into fan wars and becoming toxic yourself isn't winning.
Fanwars are so cringy, I can't imagine acting like this in general, let around something that is supposed to be fun like kpop 💀 I would be so embarrassed as an idol knowing my fans acted like this over MUSIC Edit: the fact 4Minute won over GG and 2NE1 is so funny to me when both fan groups were causing problems, thinking they would win lol
I'm so happy during the performance SNSD were unaware of the Black Ocean. To be honest, atleast to partake in offline fan wars you had to have some balls. These days people drag each other online but at Kcon everyone is besties😅I gotta respect H.O.T and Sechskies fans for the dedication. Army & Blinks could never. (and should never, I suppose😂 but if it did it would be hilarious)
Armys and Blinks got nothing on those 90s fans who carried knives and got into physical fights 😂 this online shit is just funny when you hear about all this
I rather the arguing online than what the fans had going on back in the day 😭 Kpop Stans have always been insane and delusional but at least now they can sit behind a computer screen and not physical injure one another
K-Fanwars in 1st/early 2nd gen were so hardcore. I've been a k-pop fan since 2008 and we didn't have that much drama in the international fandom up until 2014 or so, but you would hear all kinds of messed up stuff from the Korean fandoms. I experienced most of these wars in real time, back then fanwars weren't as common as they are today but they surely were more vicious lol. Great video!
The fact that some fandoms had full on fistfights in the early days is crazy to think of. Boyband fandoms in the late 90's & early 2000's in the UK were quite nasty to one another but never as vicious as H.O.T & Sechkies fans.
Well most international fans dont have an idea about these physical fights and the internet community of kpop back then was so friendly because we dont have that much data to waste on arguing other fandoms so we just support each other. I guess a lot just hate on the 3rd gen and so on fandoms for making kpop internet community sound so toxic. But its good to know that korean fans have always been hardcore fans so i dont have to wonder anymore wtf is wrong with knetz or kfans attitude 😅
Toxicity was more on korean side. International one only fight on allkpop. Back then kpop articles had so many comments it will take you hours reading all comments fighting. If you want to avoid fanwars dont go to allkpop
Meanwhile a multi-stan like me is like... this shit happens? Really? O_o I've been a K-Pop fan since 2004 but I guess I've been blissfully blind to this stuff.
Fanwars happen everyday especially on twitterland. It's really taking me out of kpop in general like WHY CAN'T WE ENJOY THE MUSIC IN PEACE??? It's been down bad for the past few years since it's social media era. Everyone has the urge to raise their "opinions" without thinking the consequences of their words :/ Also, 2nd gen fanwars are on another level lmaoo 😂
@@neb.9489 rt I agree. Ppl dont understand that just cause there's a 'comment' option available, doesn't mean you have to always use it. Like, I dont stan/listen to certain groups, but I don't go & hate on them or their fandom. I avoid conflict & dont even interact w ppl from my fandom who I see are 'problematic' (like the type who cause arguments on purpose, to get a rise out of other fandoms.) Ppl really need to start practicing "if you got nothing nice to say, dont say it."
The minute a fan of a group feels the NEED to tear other group apart is when things begin to escalate to this. Also when you focus so much on who's a 'flop', like WHY do you care??! Every group or artist is doing what they can and that's more than ANY fan is doing behind their screens. You CAN love your idols WITHOUT being sh*tty to other idols.
This has become my new favorite channel. I recently started actively listening to a few girl groups. I’m still weary about fully joining the “community” because of how toxic it becomes. It’s embarrassing. I just like the music and the idols. I don’t have time for all that negativity
I definitely get that. Unless you’re a person who’s likes being in communities a lot, I would suggest just ignoring it and enjoying the music. If someone else says something about it then it’s their problem for making assumptions about the fandom based off a couple loud assholes. Buuut that being said it’s sad that we do have the ignore it. Unfortunately I find that there’s only a couple people in most communities I’m part of that I actually connect to, while the rest are very gate-keeping or toxic (this isn’t just for k-pop). I wish people realized that it’s literally just music. For some reason music fans of all genres tend to be the most toxic fans :/
Omg, the Sone x Blackjack fanwar is one of my core 2nd gen stan memories. I remember when 2NE1 released 'I Am The Best' and people said it was a dig at GG. In fact, everything either group did was in some way against the other, meanwhile, the actual artists had no idea, nor did they care 😂
I remember the fanwar between SONEs and Blackjacks. My friends added me to a group that just focused on shit talking each other. Blackjacks that were loving the drama called themselves Black sheeps ahahah
Fan Wars Physical : 2nd Generation , early years Generation of 3rd Gen (2012-2014) Online : The rest of 3rd Generation and got worser in 4th Generation Edit : This is my observation since I started as a K-pop fan in 2005 . I would visit Korea from time to time with my older brother who works in Korea and go to the concerts . During SNSD's Black Ocean , I heard many horrible curse words , calling them with ugly names . They are actually people who secretly brings stones ( putting in plastic cups , painting small rocks like sugar rock candy ) and throw to stage , but other people got hit. If you have the lightstick of snsd , people would try to break yours . It was really traumatic event for me
Twitter is pretty toxic, but nothing is more toxic than in person when it comes to fanwars. I wouldn’t even call it toxic, it’s more like that these fanwars were brutal and dangerous.
i used to be a die hard fan of BEAST but never once in my life the idea of badmouthing other groups across my mind. i love enjoying every groups’ songs so for me, those who loves arguing with others are plainly stupid! just have fun listening to their music while fangirling over your favourite group
Same here! Oml. So glad I'm not the only one who thinks like this. I don't like getting into arguments w anyone or bash other groups. I just want to support to my fave groups' comebacks & listen to their music in peace 🤧
"it's inevitable it will happen from time to time" *intense war flashbacks to TxT Moas and Shinee Shaworls fighting over colors, and Moas dragging Atiny (Ateez) into it, kickstarting the continued fighting post ROTY with all the hate they threw at Atiny to distract from Shaworls* Yeah. It do be like that. Sometimes.
For people who are unaware, the guy in charge of the slave room is heavily suspected to have started the rumors about Jihyo involvement in the Jung Joon Young case, which made her cry at the airport.
Fascinating informative video shows just how Fandoms of certain Talented K-pop artists or groups can act so foolish immature and childish 🙄 😒 😑. Actually the Fan Wars are unfortunately most Worse now especially on Social media
@@amanduuuh_7117 I mean on social media it's a war of Words between certain fandoms they don't realize how hurtful these malicious comments can negatively impact someone else mental and emotional health
It's kind of fascinating how different pop culture fandoms are in South Korea versus US. Even during the height of the boy band craze in the US we didn't have this type of extreme behavior; you could like who you wanted, however many you wanted. I think part of it is because people who feel little control over their lives will cling to something they can control. In the case of South Korea, these fans would largely be students and pretty much everyone knows by know how different the education system is there. Add in inflammatory media articles, and you get this craziness.
hey midnight theories! I love your vids and if its possible please do a video on how many artists experience eerie things before their songs blow up? Ithank you!
when I see newer kpop fans saying things like "I wish kpop would be like older generations where everything was so peaceful" noooooooooo you weren't there to witness all those crazy shits. scarier thing is fanwars used to be physical. even though I hope fanwars would just cease to exist, it's better now that shits are just online
These fanwars are one of the factors why I left the K-Pop fandom in July 2021, after being a fan of 9 years. And the fact that fans go after fans outside these fanwars too (certain comments about someone's opinion et cetera), I'm done. The toxicity within the fanwar has increased over the years and even the second gen fandoms are getting even more toxic over the years. An example. In 2020, I recieved death threats from Shawols who later said I deserved them. They were leaving horror comments about Hongbin, a former VIXX member, and I tried to warn this fandom about their comments. I told them that if they wouldn't stop, I was going to be terrified that Hongbin would take his own life like Jonghyun did. I would never use his situation for my own benefit and it was them that I recieved serious death threats, which still haunt me until this day.
i think the idols are also somehow problematic instead of stopping it they would say they we're proud? that's why fanwars also don't stop because the idols itself we're somehow enjoying it🤦
At least people aren’t fist fighting each other but uhh death threats are still pretty darn bad and could ruin someone’s mental health fandoms have always been toxic in their own special way it seems 💀
I remember something similar happened a few years ago with EXO-L and armys, where they would get into physical fights at concerts. Some people really don’t know how to behave
Fanwars are so stupid lmao. You like what you like and I like what I like. What do you gain from trying to bring someone else down? It doesn’t make you or your fave look any better. It just makes you look like fool.
Tbh, if Dalshabet and B1A4 (especially B1A4’s fans. They should’ve been respectful grrr) fans just get on with their lives and didn’t act petty abt their Collab stage, Dalshabet would’ve won tons of awards, music show wins and have been one of 2nd Gen’s Well-known GGs.
it's people like these who make normal, vibing kpop fans like us look awful. like dude, let us enjoy music in peace and not get angry over every silly thing 💀
now it’s all about who the fourth gen leaders are, as if one group can lead an entire generation. they’re all leading it. and most of the groups these fans are pitting against each other are fans or friends of one another
I have never understood about Fan wars and Anti fans. I mean what is the point of this? Fan Wars between different groups is childish. If you like a group then support and love the group, Why do you have to bring other groups down? If you don't like a certain group then all you have to do is not listen or just wait until your Idols group comes on. It just that simple. Also, What the point of being Anti Fan? If you don't like a certain group then that fine because we all have different taste in music. Everyone opinion about good music is different, we are all not going to like the same thing. There is no point in spreading hate. Instead of being Anti Fans of a group, Why don't they put that time and energy into a group they like so that it can grow and share the love? I can't understand why we can't just share the love for each group rather the fight over who is better.
All bg vs gg Kpop fights end the same way and it’s kind of sad: Boy group and girl group fans get angry. Both attack each other. Female idols get the most attacked and cancelled. Interesting pattern.
It really shouldn't be this serious. Like, I understand supporting your favorites, but to go as far as this plus what is going current day, it's ridiculous. I wish it wasn't like this :/.
Back when people threw hands in real life instead of online. I had actually forgotten about that stupid balloon war. Yes, fandom wars were way worse back then. People would actually get hurt. 4:18 Don't forget about SS501 fans, the final member of the Cartel.
Every kpop fandom is like a bee hive. The groups are like the trees honey bees build their hives upon and as fandoms grow, their hives and the population in said hives get bigger and more advanced. When different fandoms interact with each other normally, they recognize each other as bees. But if a fandom keeps attacking another fandom they are essentially wasps attempting to destroy a hive.
I know there are some extremists still out there, but I like how things have mostly changed for the better, and most fans just want to show support to all groups. I love you guys.
Whoever organized the Black Ocean back then must be having some mad karma back at them now that SNSD became the Nation's Girl Group and the whole argument of "2nd gen kpop rarely had fanwars" is complete bullshit. the fanwars back then are as bad as they are now, it's just through different mediums.
I been a kpop fan since 2014, I remember like second Gen group and I never really see an fan War… maybe because I was still young… I can’t believe there are still fan war…. I am so embarrassed….
Fan wars really do go back so damn far and people think it’s just now bad, within the last 4 years or so?? I disagree.. but also, fan wars aren’t “handled” by cancel culture as that does absolutely nothing good. Cancel culture is completely toxic as heck. Fan wars and the like have done more in making idols disappear or retire early, cancel culture literally doesn’t cancel anyone, or make them disappear honestly. Tho you could say it’s the same thing but with some differences and both are unnecessary and unacceptable. What info I did learn was the balloons, that I did not actually know about. And now it’s difficult for groups to have a dedicated color cuz there are only so many colors for the amount of groups that keep coming out! It’s insane, fan wars are just horrible. Makes zero sense and fans of these groups just keep it going by acknowledging it the way they do.. it’s not helpful and can lead it to making your fave groups look bad. Kpop has been wild for so many years and I just had no idea! As far back as the 90’s, it’s just truly insane.
Different fanwar old generation is never called other group flop, not downgrade other artist achievement even their favourite chart on top. But new gen now more.. chart on melon. Seriously chart on melon not pay your favourite. ++ your favourite especially 4th gen still have long journey to go.
You forgot about exol, vip, and other stans making sajaegi accusation and trending # to bts to the point they are being investigated by the court and how exol ganging up with nazis starting to spread about jm shirt to the point japan broadcast need to cancel their schedule
@@ayusheesahu5339 he wore a shirt with photos of the bombing of hiroshima/nagasaki. it was highly insensitive considering over 200,000 people died, mostly citizens. i do not blame the japanese broadcast for canceling
I remember when there was a fan war between EXO-L and Army and I am a fan of EXO and BTS and there were many Armys who really went against me and swore at me that I was not a real army because I was also and is still an exo-l and it really ruined the bts and the joy I had when I listened to the bts so I had to take a long break from the bts unfortunately and I am only here in 2020 2021 2022 come back to the bts, I hate fan war because it destroys so much and it also destroys the joy of music
I love kpop because of the overall positivity of the genre, but these sasaengs turn me away. I wish everyone would enjoy the fucking music or listen to something else. I’m not ever going to attack Taylor Swift fans because…. It’s stupid
@@maerim78 people need to stop living like snowflakes. A fact is a fact. If someone is stupid enough to judge a whole fandom or a group from the actions of an individual then let them be a clown and do it. I understand your intentions but I don't agree with that way of thinking.👍
friendly reminder not to lose your morals over kpop. just enjoy the music and calm down damn
Wise words 💙
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This is making fan wars on Twitter seem like nothing 😬
Ikr lmao. I mean Twitter is toxic as hell.
Its just only fun and Nothing like this...
Just "Ratio deserved" "corny" "No one cares" and If it gets intense they bring records or achievements to it.... Thats all....
@@hj6431 no it’s not a lot of times they go too far on Twitter too. By sending hate to idols, family members etc. it just doesn’t get physical
@@bigfoodstyle5531 Yes.. It doesn't get physical, only affecting mental peace.
@@hj6431 have you even been on twitter..........................
Oh my god, I can't even imagine how it would feel seeing that black ocean. Like, imagine working your butt off to get this performance right just to see that? That shit is terrifying. I'm glad Girls Generation didn't know what was going on at the time. Shout out to those who had the pink lights on, they're real ones
The dumbest part of the H.O.T/Sechskies fan feud is that the groups themselves didn’t start it. It was started by the media and their companies, then spread to the fans. When Sechskies debuted, H.O.T was super excited because they thought they were going to have friends who would understand what it’s like to be an idol. The only actual negative interaction between the two groups was a misunderstanding between Heejun and Jiwon. But the members have been close since disbandment with Heejun/Jiwon supporting each other and Jaeduk/Tony living together and scheming to combine both groups. Even though Sechskies knew they were supposed to be H.O.T’s rivals, H.O.T considered NRG and Taesaja to be bigger threats. Also, Woohyuk and Jaeduk were friends pre-debut.
Also tbh, Reply 1997 is full of inaccuracies of both groups. It features music, images, and events that didn’t happen until after the 90s timeline in the show. So, take it with a grain of salt.
I still think it's crazy H.O.T considered NRG to be their actual rivals. Fans today don't really remember NRG but it's cool that arguably the number 1 boy group at the time saw them as a threat.
@@emmakirton NRG were no joke at debut. Jaewon and Woohyuk went to get extra training (I believe it was some kind of martial arts training because Jaewon was familiar with it) before their 3rd album because they felt like they would have struggled to compete with NRG otherwise. NRG were also good friends with a lot of major groups at the time, including H.O.T and Shinhwa.
@@ruiqiumai323 That's so cool thanks for the extra story
I forgot where H.O.T. mentioned N.R.G as their rival.
What are the inaccuracies in reply 97?
I think it’s disgusting how fans resort to lying about physical and sexual assault over fanwars.
Throwback to when someone spread rumors that BTS had been attacked by “crazy fans” when they were in Sweden and Swedes even made apology videos on behalf of those who hurt them. The boys themselves apparently confirmed that no such thing happened. Wouldn’t surprise me if some anti made that rumor to make the BTS fandom look bad :/
I think they meant physical assault and not SA.
@@gtblade2806 there has been false SA allegations made by fans as well. B1A4 fans said a Dal Shabet fan had raped and beaten a member of the former's fandom, an allegation that was investigated and found to be false by police. So ridiculous to take things that far
The B1A4 and Dalshabet situation was so scary. Dalshabet were rising rookies, had a very successful debut, and that basically tarnished their careers…
And y'all say that 2nd gen stans weren't toxic lmao
only reasons most think that is bc the internet wasn't as big as it is now
@@ELmayberry yeah
lmao ikr those coments like "back when people didn't care about fanwars"
@@ELmayberry what? 2nd gen was around 2005-2011, the internet was as big then as it is now. Trust me, I was there.
@@annie_xo I've known of Kpop since 2004-05 but I've been into Kpop since 2008, the internet was big but when compared to now, things are more readily available and accessible.
only way to find out certain info back then was thru someone else on MySpace, Facebook, a Kpop chat room or something.
now a days there's so many avenues to get the info, like thru UA-cam (mainly UA-camrs who gives us news) Twitter, IG, Facebook, Reddit and more
I always hate when people say fanwars have gotten worse. People have just always been terrible. Same with the internet in general, before there were dms people would send hate mail old school style. Like there is just a certain type of human that exists to be toxic and they are in every fandom/interest/hobby etc, kpop and non-kpop. It's easy online because people can make fake accounts and be anonymous. Just ignore it truly, report it and dont interact. Follow accounts that aren't sitting there arguing all day. Fire feeds fire, only by depriving it of oxygen can you kill it. Same goes for internet hate. I feel like so many people in the younger generation have never heard 'dont feed the troll'. Dont give attention and make sure you have a non-tolerance on your end. Call out your co-fandom, friends, etc. Giving into fan wars and becoming toxic yourself isn't winning.
Lmao, people really don't know the meaning of "dont feed the troll" guess people just cant help taking the bait 🤷🏼♂️
Fanwars are so cringy, I can't imagine acting like this in general, let around something that is supposed to be fun like kpop 💀 I would be so embarrassed as an idol knowing my fans acted like this over MUSIC
Edit: the fact 4Minute won over GG and 2NE1 is so funny to me when both fan groups were causing problems, thinking they would win lol
I'm so happy during the performance SNSD were unaware of the Black Ocean. To be honest, atleast to partake in offline fan wars you had to have some balls. These days people drag each other online but at Kcon everyone is besties😅I gotta respect H.O.T and Sechskies fans for the dedication. Army & Blinks could never. (and should never, I suppose😂 but if it did it would be hilarious)
As a blink I agree
As a blimy I agree aswell
As a armlink I agree 👍
Armys and Blinks got nothing on those 90s fans who carried knives and got into physical fights 😂 this online shit is just funny when you hear about all this
I rather the arguing online than what the fans had going on back in the day 😭 Kpop Stans have always been insane and delusional but at least now they can sit behind a computer screen and not physical injure one another
Kpop is never this serious. Never. At all. Not even in an imaginary world is music serious
K-Fanwars in 1st/early 2nd gen were so hardcore. I've been a k-pop fan since 2008 and we didn't have that much drama in the international fandom up until 2014 or so, but you would hear all kinds of messed up stuff from the Korean fandoms. I experienced most of these wars in real time, back then fanwars weren't as common as they are today but they surely were more vicious lol. Great video!
The fact that some fandoms had full on fistfights in the early days is crazy to think of. Boyband fandoms in the late 90's & early 2000's in the UK were quite nasty to one another but never as vicious as H.O.T & Sechkies fans.
2nd gen stans: I miss old kpop community it was so peaceful and fun back then :(
Also 2nd gen stans:
Well most international fans dont have an idea about these physical fights and the internet community of kpop back then was so friendly because we dont have that much data to waste on arguing other fandoms so we just support each other. I guess a lot just hate on the 3rd gen and so on fandoms for making kpop internet community sound so toxic. But its good to know that korean fans have always been hardcore fans so i dont have to wonder anymore wtf is wrong with knetz or kfans attitude 😅
Toxicity was more on korean side. International one only fight on allkpop. Back then kpop articles had so many comments it will take you hours reading all comments fighting. If you want to avoid fanwars dont go to allkpop
ya'll i just realized nctzens and aghases never had a fanwar for same color. Shows how mature they are.
Right!
nctzens are too busy arguing amongst themselves lol /j
@@outroseok ikr esp in twitter 😂😂😂
they are chill
also Got7 and Nct did a collab stage 💚
Idk whether nctzens are mature or not but sure ahgases
Meanwhile a multi-stan like me is like... this shit happens? Really? O_o I've been a K-Pop fan since 2004 but I guess I've been blissfully blind to this stuff.
lol right! I Stan 2NE1 and SNSD and I didn’t know there was a fan war between them 😂😂
since 2010 here, same feeling 😅
Fanwars happen everyday especially on twitterland. It's really taking me out of kpop in general like WHY CAN'T WE ENJOY THE MUSIC IN PEACE??? It's been down bad for the past few years since it's social media era. Everyone has the urge to raise their "opinions" without thinking the consequences of their words :/
Also, 2nd gen fanwars are on another level lmaoo 😂
THIS. It’s a mix of people saying harsh Or unnecessary rude comments for no reason and people get upset over comments that were meant to be harsh
@@neb.9489 rt I agree. Ppl dont understand that just cause there's a 'comment' option available, doesn't mean you have to always use it. Like, I dont stan/listen to certain groups, but I don't go & hate on them or their fandom. I avoid conflict & dont even interact w ppl from my fandom who I see are 'problematic' (like the type who cause arguments on purpose, to get a rise out of other fandoms.) Ppl really need to start practicing "if you got nothing nice to say, dont say it."
The minute a fan of a group feels the NEED to tear other group apart is when things begin to escalate to this. Also when you focus so much on who's a 'flop', like WHY do you care??! Every group or artist is doing what they can and that's more than ANY fan is doing behind their screens.
You CAN love your idols WITHOUT being sh*tty to other idols.
Watching this, I remembered how WIZ*ONES (Iz*one's fans) changed the color of their lightsticks for Seventeen on their performance. Very wholesome...
awww
Yeah !! And that also reminded me of the time armys changed their lightstick color to support gidle on stage, I rlly like these moments
And also when MONSTA X were performing in 2019 armies bombs were their
yes but wizones are also the ones who created the slave room
@@gracezb1 which slave room for whom
This has become my new favorite channel. I recently started actively listening to a few girl groups. I’m still weary about fully joining the “community” because of how toxic it becomes. It’s embarrassing. I just like the music and the idols. I don’t have time for all that negativity
same
I definitely get that. Unless you’re a person who’s likes being in communities a lot, I would suggest just ignoring it and enjoying the music. If someone else says something about it then it’s their problem for making assumptions about the fandom based off a couple loud assholes. Buuut that being said it’s sad that we do have the ignore it. Unfortunately I find that there’s only a couple people in most communities I’m part of that I actually connect to, while the rest are very gate-keeping or toxic (this isn’t just for k-pop). I wish people realized that it’s literally just music. For some reason music fans of all genres tend to be the most toxic fans :/
Omg, the Sone x Blackjack fanwar is one of my core 2nd gen stan memories.
I remember when 2NE1 released 'I Am The Best' and people said it was a dig at GG. In fact, everything either group did was in some way against the other, meanwhile, the actual artists had no idea, nor did they care 😂
Also the song Ugly
I remember the fanwar between SONEs and Blackjacks. My friends added me to a group that just focused on shit talking each other. Blackjacks that were loving the drama called themselves Black sheeps ahahah
Fan Wars
Physical : 2nd Generation , early years Generation of 3rd Gen (2012-2014)
Online : The rest of 3rd Generation and got worser in 4th Generation
Edit : This is my observation since I started as a K-pop fan in 2005 . I would visit Korea from time to time with my older brother who works in Korea and go to the concerts . During SNSD's Black Ocean , I heard many horrible curse words , calling them with ugly names . They are actually people who secretly brings stones ( putting in plastic cups , painting small rocks like sugar rock candy ) and throw to stage , but other people got hit. If you have the lightstick of snsd , people would try to break yours . It was really traumatic event for me
I do agree that 4th gen stans are even worse than 3rd gen stans on the internet
Yes, and it’s so easy for fanwars to start. It can be something really little and then a war breaks out
Twitter is pretty toxic, but nothing is more toxic than in person when it comes to fanwars. I wouldn’t even call it toxic, it’s more like that these fanwars were brutal and dangerous.
i used to be a die hard fan of BEAST but never once in my life the idea of badmouthing other groups across my mind. i love enjoying every groups’ songs so for me, those who loves arguing with others are plainly stupid! just have fun listening to their music while fangirling over your favourite group
Agree! I am still a die heart kpop fan but never talk bad about other groups.
Same here! Oml. So glad I'm not the only one who thinks like this. I don't like getting into arguments w anyone or bash other groups. I just want to support to my fave groups' comebacks & listen to their music in peace 🤧
"it's inevitable it will happen from time to time"
*intense war flashbacks to TxT Moas and Shinee Shaworls fighting over colors, and Moas dragging Atiny (Ateez) into it, kickstarting the continued fighting post ROTY with all the hate they threw at Atiny to distract from Shaworls*
Yeah. It do be like that. Sometimes.
For people who are unaware, the guy in charge of the slave room is heavily suspected to have started the rumors about Jihyo involvement in the Jung Joon Young case, which made her cry at the airport.
Thanks!
I was waiting for your video!
Side note: Sunny is one of my all time favorite movies, so the clips made me smile!!!
2nd gen stans: I missed the old kpop, There was no toxicity.... Now its all toxic fanwars, And records....
Old Kpop:
They were literally fistfighting and they took fanwars seriously
@@Danna-ek5hq yss still has the audacity to say against 3rd & 4th gen toxicity or fanwars
Fascinating informative video shows just how Fandoms of certain Talented K-pop artists or groups can act so foolish immature and childish 🙄 😒 😑. Actually the Fan Wars are unfortunately most Worse now especially on Social media
Nobody is getting beat up or blackmailed IRL so im not sure what 'worse' you're talking about.
@@amanduuuh_7117 I mean on social media it's a war of Words between certain fandoms they don't realize how hurtful these malicious comments can negatively impact someone else mental and emotional health
I completely Agree
It's kind of fascinating how different pop culture fandoms are in South Korea versus US. Even during the height of the boy band craze in the US we didn't have this type of extreme behavior; you could like who you wanted, however many you wanted.
I think part of it is because people who feel little control over their lives will cling to something they can control. In the case of South Korea, these fans would largely be students and pretty much everyone knows by know how different the education system is there. Add in inflammatory media articles, and you get this craziness.
Wow, never thought about it that way, that makes some much sense!
oh this should be absolutely incredible.
That black ocean situation is so petty omg
This is honestly scary. Watching hundreds of people losing their morals to a freaking colour is absurd
hey midnight theories! I love your vids and if its possible please do a video on how many artists experience eerie things before their songs blow up? Ithank you!
when I see newer kpop fans saying things like "I wish kpop would be like older generations where everything was so peaceful" noooooooooo you weren't there to witness all those crazy shits. scarier thing is fanwars used to be physical. even though I hope fanwars would just cease to exist, it's better now that shits are just online
EXACTLY!
onfg stabbing and assaulting people? SONES CARRYING KNIVES? i’m screaming at how insane this is
I would definitely like to hear about someone who partook in the Black Ocean.
9:31 Ah, my lovely country.
I always look forward to your videos
These fanwars are one of the factors why I left the K-Pop fandom in July 2021, after being a fan of 9 years. And the fact that fans go after fans outside these fanwars too (certain comments about someone's opinion et cetera), I'm done. The toxicity within the fanwar has increased over the years and even the second gen fandoms are getting even more toxic over the years.
An example. In 2020, I recieved death threats from Shawols who later said I deserved them. They were leaving horror comments about Hongbin, a former VIXX member, and I tried to warn this fandom about their comments. I told them that if they wouldn't stop, I was going to be terrified that Hongbin would take his own life like Jonghyun did. I would never use his situation for my own benefit and it was them that I recieved serious death threats, which still haunt me until this day.
i think the idols are also somehow problematic instead of stopping it they would say they we're proud? that's why fanwars also don't stop because the idols itself we're somehow enjoying it🤦
Just when I thought ARMY vs. BLINKS was bad…
Same..this is way worse tbh
At least people aren’t fist fighting each other but uhh death threats are still pretty darn bad and could ruin someone’s mental health fandoms have always been toxic in their own special way it seems 💀
@@NoName-dx1no I think most of them left without teeth and some broken bones
Yes I thought twiter fan war wars were worst
Army's vs blinks compared to fanwars back then their fanwars are sweet in innocent in comparison
7:17 that would be my reaction too, because you are focused on your performance, you are unaware of the situation behind.
I remember the 2ne1 and SNSD ( I was a Blackjack) and omg I remember how toxic it was and 13 year old me was a SNSD ANTI
I remember something similar happened a few years ago with EXO-L and armys, where they would get into physical fights at concerts. Some people really don’t know how to behave
Fanwars are so stupid lmao. You like what you like and I like what I like. What do you gain from trying to bring someone else down? It doesn’t make you or your fave look any better. It just makes you look like fool.
Tbh, if Dalshabet and B1A4 (especially B1A4’s fans. They should’ve been respectful grrr) fans just get on with their lives and didn’t act petty abt their Collab stage, Dalshabet would’ve won tons of awards, music show wins and have been one of 2nd Gen’s Well-known GGs.
Bruuuuh sometimes I forget the fan wars exists 😭
it's people like these who make normal, vibing kpop fans like us look awful. like dude, let us enjoy music in peace and not get angry over every silly thing 💀
now it’s all about who the fourth gen leaders are, as if one group can lead an entire generation. they’re all leading it. and most of the groups these fans are pitting against each other are fans or friends of one another
I have never understood about Fan wars and Anti fans. I mean what is the point of this? Fan Wars between different groups is childish. If you like a group then support and love the group, Why do you have to bring other groups down? If you don't like a certain group then all you have to do is not listen or just wait until your Idols group comes on. It just that simple. Also, What the point of being Anti Fan? If you don't like a certain group then that fine because we all have different taste in music. Everyone opinion about good music is different, we are all not going to like the same thing. There is no point in spreading hate. Instead of being Anti Fans of a group, Why don't they put that time and energy into a group they like so that it can grow and share the love? I can't understand why we can't just share the love for each group rather the fight over who is better.
About that question in the beginning...I would definitely go for E).
All bg vs gg Kpop fights end the same way and it’s kind of sad:
Boy group and girl group fans get angry. Both attack each other. Female idols get the most attacked and cancelled.
Interesting pattern.
It really shouldn't be this serious. Like, I understand supporting your favorites, but to go as far as this plus what is going current day, it's ridiculous. I wish it wasn't like this :/.
Back when people threw hands in real life instead of online. I had actually forgotten about that stupid balloon war. Yes, fandom wars were way worse back then. People would actually get hurt.
4:18 Don't forget about SS501 fans, the final member of the Cartel.
Laughs as a multi kpop stan👁👄👁
The stream war by SONES and BJ's are just so Funny. And yep, the pic at 9:30 is from PH Fans and both SONES and BJ'S stream each others mv 😂
Every kpop fandom is like a bee hive. The groups are like the trees honey bees build their hives upon and as fandoms grow, their hives and the population in said hives get bigger and more advanced. When different fandoms interact with each other normally, they recognize each other as bees. But if a fandom keeps attacking another fandom they are essentially wasps attempting to destroy a hive.
I know there are some extremists still out there, but I like how things have mostly changed for the better, and most fans just want to show support to all groups. I love you guys.
Yeah same
If you notice most of these fanwars in 2nd gen were led by korean fans not international.
ah yes, now we just bully each other behind screens 🙃
Bruh are we really fighting over a damn color? Bye sis 😭✋
In short, fanwars be cray cray
Whoever organized the Black Ocean back then must be having some mad karma back at them now that SNSD became the Nation's Girl Group
and the whole argument of "2nd gen kpop rarely had fanwars" is complete bullshit. the fanwars back then are as bad as they are now, it's just through different mediums.
Wow and I thought Exol vs Army had the most on sight relationship (which is ridiculous since Exo is friends with BTS)
Yes
I am going to hell for laughing at this 😶
Multistans 👁👄👁
Just imagine these crazy 2nd gen fans will grow up an realise that they wasted their time and energy in the stupid fanwars..
I don't ever wanna see a black ocean for idols again, its just devastating
I been a kpop fan since 2014, I remember like second Gen group and I never really see an fan War… maybe because I was still young…
I can’t believe there are still fan war…. I am so embarrassed….
the slave room was run by a wizone. not sure why you hid that when you say all the other fandom names
Fan wars really do go back so damn far and people think it’s just now bad, within the last 4 years or so?? I disagree.. but also, fan wars aren’t “handled” by cancel culture as that does absolutely nothing good. Cancel culture is completely toxic as heck. Fan wars and the like have done more in making idols disappear or retire early, cancel culture literally doesn’t cancel anyone, or make them disappear honestly. Tho you could say it’s the same thing but with some differences and both are unnecessary and unacceptable. What info I did learn was the balloons, that I did not actually know about. And now it’s difficult for groups to have a dedicated color cuz there are only so many colors for the amount of groups that keep coming out! It’s insane, fan wars are just horrible. Makes zero sense and fans of these groups just keep it going by acknowledging it the way they do.. it’s not helpful and can lead it to making your fave groups look bad. Kpop has been wild for so many years and I just had no idea! As far back as the 90’s, it’s just truly insane.
Different fanwar old generation is never called other group flop, not downgrade other artist achievement even their favourite chart on top. But new gen now more.. chart on melon. Seriously chart on melon not pay your favourite. ++ your favourite especially 4th gen still have long journey to go.
and people still say the things the slave room spread like it's the truth 😢
still feel like he really liked bp and some other groups but didn't showcase it and gave izone the bad rep and protected his faves..
Do you guys remember a fanwar between block b’s and b1a4’s fans, the soy sauce situation?
LMAO can u imagine a war between Once, Blinks and Army that shit would be like World war 3 ahahahhaha
You forgot about exol, vip, and other stans making sajaegi accusation and trending # to bts to the point they are being investigated by the court and how exol ganging up with nazis starting to spread about jm shirt to the point japan broadcast need to cancel their schedule
Wait! I didn't know about Japan broadcast. Can you explain plz??
@@ayusheesahu5339 he wore a shirt with photos of the bombing of hiroshima/nagasaki. it was highly insensitive considering over 200,000 people died, mostly citizens. i do not blame the japanese broadcast for canceling
I remember when there was a fan war between EXO-L and Army and I am a fan of EXO and BTS and there were many Armys who really went against me and swore at me that I was not a real army because I was also and is still an exo-l and it really ruined the bts and the joy I had when I listened to the bts so I had to take a long break from the bts unfortunately and I am only here in 2020 2021 2022 come back to the bts, I hate fan war because it destroys so much and it also destroys the joy of music
Never clicked so fast!!
Same
People need to seriously chill it's literally just music
The fact that no one speaks about the slave room is sickening.
waiting for this to blow up lmao
Okay, but I was literally 👁️👄👁️ when I realized that H.O.T and Sechskies' fans caused a literal war with each other
I always wondered what group colors were for lol
And we think twitter is toxic? 😭
Just Remember:
Fanwars are for immatures
As a hot fan of pretty much all of these groups I'm deaply sorry, also I remember most of theses, I've been into kpop since 2011
I have never clicked on a video so fast🙁‼️‼️
Here I am thinking that Army vs Exol Army vs Blink Blink vs Once is the most toxic fanwar.
15:02 Iz*One
The black ocean will forever be legendary, I remember it was a big deal even for the international fans
intresting video but what is the name of that movie it look really intriguing!
As an ELF I apologize
I love kpop because of the overall positivity of the genre, but these sasaengs turn me away. I wish everyone would enjoy the fucking music or listen to something else. I’m not ever going to attack Taylor Swift fans because…. It’s stupid
The slave room is very probably still active, btw.
Tbh I expected it to dissolve after American guy's favs left the kpop scene, but.
@@maerim78 who was his fave?
@@DriedPersimmon-pys Iz*One
@@Eluthien I didn't mention them for the reason to not have hate towards the group or fandom cause neither deserves it
@@maerim78 people need to stop living like snowflakes. A fact is a fact. If someone is stupid enough to judge a whole fandom or a group from the actions of an individual then let them be a clown and do it. I understand your intentions but I don't agree with that way of thinking.👍
Oh this’ll be good
I’m early! Woohoo!
I'm sorry but fanwars are ridiculous. It's just music, calm down.