Inversion sounds like something The Scorpions would do, the piano Dorian version sounds like Journey, retrograde and retrograde prime sound like early Dream Theater, the orchestra sounds like some epic Legend of Zelda shit, and the three guitars together sounds like a G3 concert when all the players are onstage and doing their own intro to some song. Another awesome video!
Hey Shredmaster Scott. I love what you are doing here with comparisons of our metal artist vs Bach. Keep up the great work. I would like to suggest Kirk Hammett's intro solo in Fade to Black. I think this may be a neat one to try. I would also love to hear it in a round like you did in this video.
Is there a significant difference between a riff and one of Bach's themes? If not, can we extend the concepts you extol to produce a fully Bach-enabled Baroque version of a heavy metal song? (I know there is Barock, but don't know if it's at this level. Yet.)
Of course you can. That’s the whole idea. There’s differences in Bach’s themes but that’s not the point. Incorporate these ideas into your own music and create something new
There's a difference between riff-based writing (the vast majority of metal music is riff-based) and classical way of composing. The way Bach composed his fugues was by using a short theme as the main material for the whole piece and then developing that theme and modulating it to different keys and using fragments of it (and also, as shown in the video, inverting it and playing it backwards), whereas in riff-based music the point is to write a riff that can be repeated countless times without losing its power. You could probably use a riff as a theme, but it may not make a good theme because riffs are usually more comparable with ostinato patterns than themes (the cello line in Pachelbel's Canon is pretty close to what a "classical riff" could be). If you wanted to make an actual baroque version of a metal song, you would have to do a lot of arranging, and probably only use some fragments from the riffs and pretty much re-compose the whole song (you could use the original vocal melody, though). There are some fugues on UA-cam where the composer has used some part of a popular song as the main theme, but they aren't really "baroque versions" of those songs, they are different compositions based on a borrowed theme. Another problem would be the "harmonic language" of the different styles. Bach's music tends to have progressive harmonies that usually modulate to different keys - the harmonies are constantly changing and are driving the music forward, whereas in metal you usually have pretty static harmonies (it's usually one riff in one key that you repeat X times, then another riff maybe in a different key that you repeat Y times, or maybe a modulated version of the first riff). So again, if you wanted to make it sound like a baroque version of a metal song, you would most likely have to do a lot of arranging and kind of re-compose the whole song (while still retaining some elements from the original - singing melody and lyrics being the most obvious examples - not to make it sound like a completely different song). When it comes to Bach's themes in his fugues, they are usually pretty short and they usually include some kind of a tonic - dominant - tonic progression. But basically anything can be used as a theme in Bach-style compositions (for example his Invention in D minor is based on a motif that's basically just ascending/descending D minor scale), because it's just going to be used as the basic material for the composition, and what you do with the idea (how you develop it) is a lot more important than what the idea itself is.
Awesome video! I think it would be very cool if you did a basic tutorial on Prime, Inversion, Retrograde and Retrograde Inversion with say, the C Major scale to give a solid context on how to apply them and how you can see the variations at play from a well established base. The Inversion is still kicking my ass because I don't quite get the moving up with it. Not sure if i'm supposed to move up relative to the note being played or relative to the scale.
Can you do the melody around the first solo on master of puppets? You know, the one where you play a triangular shape? Starts from the 17th fret on the b string, 18 and then 16 on the e string and continue with the pattern?
The Bach arrangement seems legitimate but the orchestration is over 100 years post Bach. May have been better using a pipe organ (where Bach was usually at his most "metal").
More like 'How would Bach play CDCA', amirite?
kahwigulum more like XWXZ
Well done
😂 😂 😂 😆 😆 😆 😜 😜 😜 😁 😁 😁
Bach in Black.
Or Bach is back
Or back in Bach.
Nobody
Shredmaster Scott *evil laugh*
The inversion had a real Queensryche feel to it. I like it.
I LOVE Queensryche vibe
I have a tricky request:
How Bach would play Queen
With tears in his gosh darn eyes
LOVE the orchestra playback. That would be awesome. Almost Beethovenesque.
Cheers to Beethoven!
@@ShredmasterScott fees like epci fight music
Inversion sounds like something The Scorpions would do, the piano Dorian version sounds like Journey, retrograde and retrograde prime sound like early Dream Theater, the orchestra sounds like some epic Legend of Zelda shit, and the three guitars together sounds like a G3 concert when all the players are onstage and doing their own intro to some song. Another awesome video!
Speed up the inversion and that would probably be a sweet Megadeth riff
Reminds me of lucretia and in my darkest hour
Shredmaster Scott is the realest music theory teacher on UA-cam
How would Bach play AC/DC?
In a state of shock!
Good one
@@ShredmasterScott That's your joke! On one of your last bach videos I commented the question about AC/DC and you answered with In a state of shock 😅
@@timwagner7634 Haha, don't remember but that sounds about right
@@ShredmasterScott It was the Holy Diver one...
This is amazing! The final version is so epic
Cheers brother!
Interesting video as always! ❤ I loved the orchestra part haha 😈
HAIL BACH!!
That round / canon part is awesome. I’m seriously inspired by what you’re doing with these Bach vids. Seriously, thank you
Retrograde inversion sounded kinda like ZZ Top
The inversion was such a modern prog metal riff.
Kyle Goodman like something from Atreyu, Orianthi or RX Bandits.
Yeah it was cool
Hey Shredmaster Scott. I love what you are doing here with comparisons of our metal artist vs Bach. Keep up the great work.
I would like to suggest Kirk Hammett's intro solo in Fade to Black. I think this may be a neat one to try. I would also love to hear it in a round like you did in this video.
Fucking blown away, as always. Next up, Bach vs. Rush
That orchestration sounds powerful! ✊🏼
thanks brother
The inversions sounded very 80s hair metal interestingly
Love the nod to Legend
pliz full version of the acdc Orchestra
During Bach's time this would have him jailed!!! Very cool and subscribed
Brilliant!
I freaking love your vids!!!
Thanks brother!
@@ShredmasterScott Sister 😂😂😂
@@magdachlebicka3895 that's impossible, only guys watch my channel!
I won't quit, MAYHEM
Black metal may be coming soon...
Burzum brother
love it ! like always....would be great you do the "a tout le monde" megadeth arpeggios !
Mh(🤔 :) ); do it.
0:48 and 0:51 Great quality :) nice vid btw
How about Bach vs GNR?
"Sweet Child o' Mine" is an obvious choice, but something like "Mr. Brownstone" could turn out pretty interesting, too.
How would Bach play Yngwie Malmsteen?
Is there a significant difference between a riff and one of Bach's themes? If not, can we extend the concepts you extol to produce a fully Bach-enabled Baroque version of a heavy metal song? (I know there is Barock, but don't know if it's at this level. Yet.)
Of course you can. That’s the whole idea. There’s differences in Bach’s themes but that’s not the point. Incorporate these ideas into your own music and create something new
There's a difference between riff-based writing (the vast majority of metal music is riff-based) and classical way of composing. The way Bach composed his fugues was by using a short theme as the main material for the whole piece and then developing that theme and modulating it to different keys and using fragments of it (and also, as shown in the video, inverting it and playing it backwards), whereas in riff-based music the point is to write a riff that can be repeated countless times without losing its power. You could probably use a riff as a theme, but it may not make a good theme because riffs are usually more comparable with ostinato patterns than themes (the cello line in Pachelbel's Canon is pretty close to what a "classical riff" could be).
If you wanted to make an actual baroque version of a metal song, you would have to do a lot of arranging, and probably only use some fragments from the riffs and pretty much re-compose the whole song (you could use the original vocal melody, though). There are some fugues on UA-cam where the composer has used some part of a popular song as the main theme, but they aren't really "baroque versions" of those songs, they are different compositions based on a borrowed theme.
Another problem would be the "harmonic language" of the different styles. Bach's music tends to have progressive harmonies that usually modulate to different keys - the harmonies are constantly changing and are driving the music forward, whereas in metal you usually have pretty static harmonies (it's usually one riff in one key that you repeat X times, then another riff maybe in a different key that you repeat Y times, or maybe a modulated version of the first riff). So again, if you wanted to make it sound like a baroque version of a metal song, you would most likely have to do a lot of arranging and kind of re-compose the whole song (while still retaining some elements from the original - singing melody and lyrics being the most obvious examples - not to make it sound like a completely different song).
When it comes to Bach's themes in his fugues, they are usually pretty short and they usually include some kind of a tonic - dominant - tonic progression. But basically anything can be used as a theme in Bach-style compositions (for example his Invention in D minor is based on a motif that's basically just ascending/descending D minor scale), because it's just going to be used as the basic material for the composition, and what you do with the idea (how you develop it) is a lot more important than what the idea itself is.
Awesome video!
I think it would be very cool if you did a basic tutorial on Prime, Inversion, Retrograde and Retrograde Inversion with say, the C Major scale to give a solid context on how to apply them and how you can see the variations at play from a well established base.
The Inversion is still kicking my ass because I don't quite get the moving up with it. Not sure if i'm supposed to move up relative to the note being played or relative to the scale.
I was actually gonna do a basic tutorial in this video but ran out of time. I’ll shoot for the next one
Hah! I actually did a version of this one a couple of months ago! :D Though I used an app so it wasn't a case of shredding it
Bach in Black
The inversion was truly evil! Sounded like dissonance? Maybe I’m wrong?
The prince of darkness smiled on Bach! 😈👹😈
Lol. That's not THE Satan. That's just little Tim Curry. He won't hurt ya.
dude do a full 6 min version
Now only if we can get Back to dress like AC/DC!
Back to school with you Bach!
You should try doing halfords sad wings of destiny Bach version🤟
Nice..I'm gonna have 2 piss my neighbors off really soon with this. Its 5:41 a.m. BTW. Hahahahaha
😈🔥🎅
Can you do the melody around the first solo on master of puppets? You know, the one where you play a triangular shape? Starts from the 17th fret on the b string, 18 and then 16 on the e string and continue with the pattern?
Bach vs Skid Row. Bach and Bach
Wow !!How a “bllues” scale became polyphonical..
The Dorian vibe sound like of journey tried to write hell’s bells
hahahaha
Bells? Nah, mate, dunno what your talking about, you wanna get your hearing checked out.
Or start making your last will and testament.
Not “bells” or “balls”?
@@ShredmasterScott, if you can hear balls, then your issues run deeper than medical science can resolve!
How would Bach play Vektor?
😆 😜 😆 😜 😅 😅
Should have played on a Bacchus
Okay,(…) so who won?
Every time the demonic laugh occurs, I lose it. So metal.
Hahahahaha
What do You lose?
Cheers for not picking back in black or thunderstruck. I don't hate them but their so overplayed.
They’d be a cool theory study though
How Bach would play Devil Went Down To Georgia?
I wonder how Bach would play Spirit of Radio by Rush
UuHhuuhh... .
How Bach play Dying Fetus
Damn, Mozart... LMAO
Bach in black when
I have the EXACT same keyboard lol
👏👏
How would Bach play Tool
We are all animals, my la... oh, my Shredmaster!
P.S.: Love you, Satan.
Satan is the man
The Bach arrangement seems legitimate but the orchestration is over 100 years post Bach. May have been better using a pipe organ (where Bach was usually at his most "metal").
That’s why I said here’s a “modern” sounding orchestration 😉
You said good to go.....
VET?
Hmm, I thought the key was Em, hmmm.
How would Bach play Bezerker by After the Burial?
Spoiler alert... he couldn't
Dare you ??? You do :D
666 likes -- should I 667?
I think you know what you have to do
Sounded kinda "tool-ish" to me.