Do Pre-RADwood Cars Have a Chance? - The Carmudgeon Show w/ Jason Cammisa and Derek of ISSIMI Ep. 83
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- Now that the Bring-a-Trailer crowd have made 1980s, 1990s, and 2000s cars unaffordable, what happens to pre-1980s cars? Do they just fall out of favor like today's pre-war and brass-era cars?
Or is the solution to get younger generations of car enthusiasts interested in pre 1980s cars?
And then, how do you best preserve the cars of true interest from those periods so that younger generations can continue to have the option to be interested in them in the first place?
Good questions! Tough questions! Per usual, there are opinions!
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When discussing Ferrari minutia, don't ever ask "Is this interesting?" I'm sitting here glued to my screen.
Seriously! It led me down a Colombo vs. Lampredi engines rabbit hole :)
I was also thoroughly enjoying that part and am glad he continued
Hello from Bulgaria! We daily drive cars from the 80s and the 90s simply because we can’t afford modern vehicles :)
Us Romanians as well. Some of us register their cars with engines bigger than 3000cc in Bulgaria because the property taxes there are way more forgiving than in our country.
Hello, too, from Bulgaria. I'd say that 90s and 00s diesel shitboxes are more common here. One of the few countries with more diesel than petrol cars. And then again, when you go to Sofia, it is full of last gen S/G classes and 7 series lol.
I hear Romania has done much better when ir comes to fighting corruption. Good for you brothers! We are still on our journey.
Samo pumpa dizna...
Haha nikoga ne sum si predstavql che nqkoi bulgarin gleda, pozdravi na vsichki tuk
Really enjoy the insight from Derek on the classic European exotica. I don't know of any other UA-cam channels where someone with direct experience is talking about $3 million+ classic Ferraris
good god that insert with the lampredi V12 is just jaw dropping how crazy it sounds
it made me so happy when you guys referred to my question! hahhahah thanks!
I am an old fella by UA-cam standards (sorry Jason, we are the same age) and speaking to the comments nearing the close by DTS, some of us want and need you to expose us to things we don't seek out. That is a big reason why I am here at all. I am certainly more than halfway through life and only recently had my long muted passion for the fun, cheap 10-20 year old used cars of my youth (240/280, Rx7, Celica, etc) rekindled by stumbling upon the Hagerty channel and watching everything that Camissa has pretty much ever produced and everything on the Issimi channel that DTS has created.
I know most people my age think that they already have all of their likes and dislikes and passions and all that stuff clearly defined and refined, but this content is proof positive that we are all full of crap. You guys are not merely exposing the youth that only sees boring cars on the roads today to these cool cars of the past. But, also those of us that were alive for it, but were either blinded by what we thought was so much better than anything else and many of the myths and legends that propped that thinking up, or were simply tragically unaware because we weren't exposed unless we picked up that issue of Road and Track or stumbled upon a good book.
There wasn't Google and there sure as hell wasn't amazing podcasts and feature videos like those that both of you (Cammisa & DTS) provide for us. I thoroughly enjoy learning from you guys and I thank you very much. And thank you for coercing me into an ND.
This is a great perspective. I am constantly growing too even if it feels like I am just a taller version of my childhood self. I’m still discovering corners of the automotive enthusiast world that I forgot or never knew existed.
As far as the S38/M88 goes, the sound is almost unmatched in road cars. As a former E34M owner, the intake noise is spectacular as is the exhaust once opened up
A friend of mine in 2015 bought the world's cleanest 1988 Plymouth Voyager Turbo. It had 23,000 miles on it, owned by an old lady who bought in new and only drove it to church on Sundays. Literally flawless, concourse condition, not a scratch, tear, stain, or speck of corrosion on it (New England no less). It looked so good that I didn't even know they came out of the factory looking that good. He paid $2,500 for it. I haven't seen it in years but I have never been as excited looking at such a mundane car in my life, I hope he kept it immaculate.
You don’t ask customers what they want - on average you’ll always get a compromised mess - you can ask your fans for ideas but ultimately you need to be happy with what you produce.
It’s the passion that makes it great to watch. The best cars are all made with a singular mission in mind, as is the best content
I am very thankful that y’all are in the position to help teach us about cars that the majority of people wouldn’t have access to otherwise. I’ve learned more from y’all, and been inspired to do more research into more obscure cool cars than I ever would’ve had this show not existed.
Yes it is so interesting!! I cannot begin to describe how happy it makes me when Derek goes on extreme detail tangents, particularly regarding highend vintage cars. Wonderful episode
You guys are the one of few reasons I still go on this godforsaken site. I don’t know how much better I can compliment your work.
God and the Devil are both busy on UA-cam
The last 10 minutes of this one were so damn inspiring. Thank you guys for telling these stories so ~20 year olds like me can grow thier passions and learn!
Really looking forward to the new Revelations after a short hiatus!
I think one of the biggest influences of what enthusiasts covert has to do with exposure from frailly as a youth. The divergence in opinion about the desire to own certain era cars between Jason and DTS to me highlights this. Enthusiast who desire cars before "their" era tended to be exposed to the cars their enthusiasts parents liked.
This doesn't preclude enthusiasts appreciating cars before "their" time, but they tend not to desire them as they maintain the lust for cars of their formative years. Jason appreciates the convenience of more modern (comparatively) 80's cars as they are more convenient for daily use and require less exhaustive maintenance than pre 70's cars, but they were also the cars of his youth and hold a personal attachment to his youth.
His parents had interesting current cars when he was young, they didn't own earlier classic cars. However if you grew up with parents who owned enthusiast cars from the 60's you became apathetic to their idiosyncrasies and just accepted them as part of ownership... not overly inconvenient... and I associate them weth my youth.
I grew up in the 80-90s with a family that loved 50s-60s (boomer) cars, so when in the late 90's i got my first car i bought a 60's sports car as i knew them well and appreciated their qualities, and at the time they offered character and style and value compared to a period new eco box (like the excel).
I think the top end of the classic market will always value the upper end of the various marques, especially if the marque still exists (Merc, BMW, Porsche, Ferrari, VW ) whereas marques that have disappeared don't have the continuous brand exposure .. and as DTS would say general public interaction and awareness so they will slowly stall in value and eventually drop except for benchmark examples.
The other issue will become parts supply.. boomer era cars currently have decent repro support (even for some more obscure marques) but i suspect in the next 10-15 years that will be less the case and the cars will become harder to maintain.
I have lived the DTS moto.. I daily drove my '63 Sunbeam Alpine from 1996-2012 until i no longer had a safe work parking space and own several other 60's classics and get them to as many shows, cars+ coffee events and have friends drive them when i cant get them there, to quote a similar company to Hagerty in Australia "SHARE THE PASSION"
Hi Jason and Derek, greetings from the Netherlands. Love your work, keep up the good stuff. If it’s possible, I would really appreciate it if you guys could cover the following topic: In the Netherlands all cars are subject to a special emissions tax called ‘private motor vehicle or motorcycle tax return’ (we call it 'bpm'), as all cars are first bought and imported by car brand dealerships before they can sell them to the masses, and this tax is added on top of the MSRP. This emissions tax also applies to import of used cars, although the Dutch government does grant a discount on all imported cars based on CO2 emissions and year of manufacturing. For example: a new Toyota GR86 sells for about €35k at the Toyota dealerships in Belgium and Germany, but in the Netherlands it has a price tag of €66k. And, buying it from one of those countries for €35k and importing it to the Netherlands means you have to pay €31k on taxes. What are your thoughts on this? For us, it feels like it's unfair and as far as I know only the Netherlands applies this crazy amount of emission tax. As a car enthousiast I would like to own a GR86. For €66k however, you could also buy a 911 991.1 on the used market. Here is a link of our government's IRS: www.belastingdienst.nl/wps/wcm/connect/bldcontenten/belastingdienst/individuals/cars/bpm/calculate_and_pay_bpm/calculate-and-pay-bpm.
Well, the amount may be higher, but in austria we have a tax like that for over 25 years. It's called "Normverbrauchsabgabe" ("normative fuel consumption due" as they avoid the word tax even if it is one) and is on top of the price and VAT. It was always calcualted on fuel consumption (which is just another form of CO2 tax). And when cars became more frugal they changed it and so nowadays 30% of tax on top of the price is something that happens. (Yeras ago 16% was the max).
Yours on the GR86 is still higher than ours, but we also have to pay that tax when importing a car (used ones too, although for used ones, the calcualtions of the year of it's first registeration in it's country of origin count).
So the netherlands aren't the only country doing that. (If i remember Denmark has the highest tax of that sort in the EU)
The question then is: do the netherlands also have a running tax on cars? I think i remember someone telling me you have one calculated from the weight of the vehicle. (usually european countries have either a buying/registering tax or a running tax, most don't have both. Germany for example has a relatively cheap running tax and no buying/registeration tax, Poland i think has the latter one, but no running tax. I think Denmark has both.)
We in austria additionally have a running tax that is calculated on hp. For a 170hp car (that got registered before 2021 as they increased it even more for everything newly bought since) costs around 900€ per year of running tax. A 525 hp car (before 2021) costs around 3300€ per year of running tax. (EV's are excempt of both taxes at the moment and hybrid owners only pay for the ICE hp and fuel consumption)
The Netherlands indeed also has a running tax, and it’s based on weight and type of engine (e.g gasoline/diesel/electric). For the GR86 it’s €764/year. Austria’s 30% price increase due to emission is also a hefty one, but still manageable compared to 88,5% in the Netherlands. This is also one of the (many) reasons the all-new Nissan Z is not coming to Europe. It’s got about 50g/km more CO2 emission than the GR86. It’s something to be sad about. The only thing to do is to wait 5 to 10 years until the car depreciates in value.
@@baders7706 Thanks for the answer! Yes i see it the same way.
As a man who owns a 250,000 mile E39 M5, I just DON'T want to sell it, or need any other car. It serve's it purpose and is comfortable and fun. AND, it is not as valuable today, as it will be (if well maintained) as it will be 10 years from now. BTW it's interesting to see Jason in an M5 39 hoodie. Kool, I think I'll buy one.
There are two parts of this topic I feel were skipped over. Rust protection being a big issue. The germans started using rust protection in the 70s, but the Italians didn't. The Japanese and french certainly didn't. How bad is the rust going to be on an average example and can you get the panels? At its current value does it even make sense to save?
There is also the issue of parts availability. Doesn't matter how driveable a car is, if you cannot keep it on the road. I ran into several cars where certain critical systems are not available. Have not been for years and if it doesn't come with spares, you might end up with a paperweight. For a blue chip car custom parts are worth it, for a lot of cars the financials do not make sense.
Ecclestone claimed that Piquet tried harder in the M1 races than in his Brabham, because there was more money at stake from the M1 races.
Thank you for justifying my habit just picked up a 95 Taurus SHO with a bad transmission someone was about to scrap it and it was all there
Will continue to work on my 1973 Saab 96 V4 with my son. Simple like a VW Bug and fun to drive. While I grew up in the 80's and should be rocking a 900 SPG I love the 96 as well. All the parts are available (Ford v4 engine) and you don't pass yourself at every stop light. The Saab community is awesome as well.
Fueling Jason's willingness to have a K-series Alice engine, I could mention an interview with Rich Duisberg, who helped Lotus and its Norwegian suppliers with tools for aluminum tubing. He said K-series motors are so light because of producing process. Normally metal molds for engine block castings are going from the upper side causing some bubbles and inclusions which make the block weaker. Engineers are avoid this problem by making thick engine walls but Rover managed to put mold metal from the bottom of the cast. It makes the K-series engine block strong but much lighter
People collect the cars of their youth*
*Don't assume those were the new-in-the-showroom cars. Especially starting in the 1980s when more restored cars were visible.
Also, thanks for the shout-out the other week on the Bull Market list episode. My comments for that kept getting removed because I linked to additional reading - such as when we picked the R129 SL500 for the Bull Market for 2019, which is up 13.3% per year based on the condition 2 value to ~$29,800.
The discussion about popular cars going gone is a daily experience with my 87 CRX Si. A lot of people tell me they or their dad or husband had* one. But now mine is probably 1 of 5 in Puerto Rico. General consensus i've reached with other people is that they all got crashed lol. And the non fuel injected ones were a carburated nightmare.
I find this podcast educational, and went nuts with Alfa SZ and can't wait for Vignale video
Great episode! Ferrari history, Porsche history, hints to future videos. You two are knocking the cover off the ball! (Jason, regarding your recent hit and run. You could get an attorney to inform you of your rights in civil action. And some dim wits need an envelop, with attorney letterhead, to straighten up) Food for thought. 👍
" Also, Hyphen, keep "shitting" about Ferraris!!! LOL Great info 👍👍👍
Great discussion regarding classic car trends. I do agree that pre-radwood cars are less usable in a modern sense. I think some blue chip cars and the popular stuff (60s mustangs, etc) will continue to live on. However, costs to repair and maintain are not easily affordable and will you want to spend the money without the strong hit of nostalgia?
With regard to modern classics, I do wonder whether Radwood era stuff (post-carb/efi) will continue to be most popular or if post-OBD II cars will be more desirable? After all, finding a mechanic to work on my radwood era mr2 is hard enough now if there is a major job. What happens in 20 years when all the mainstream stuff is dealership only/electric and your Radwood era car needs work that requires a lift?
83 episodes in and you almost have the intro figured out. 🤣
Would love to see a Revelations or a BTS on an Alpina!
Just got back from Retromobile in Paris. My first time and I was completely overwhelmed. Especially considering I had a pleasure to talk to Simon Kidston, Max Girardo and Marcel Massini. Hyphen, have you been there?
An interesting example at the more attainable part of the market: there still are enthusiasts playing with Model A Ford's -- a prewar car that isn't really comfortable on highways. And people still collect (and drive) them! So maybe cultural impact also matters?
They got the displacement math wrong... the Ferrari 125's were 1.5L (0.125x12=1.5), the 166 cars were 2.0L (0.166x12=1.992), the 250 cars are all 3.0L (0.250x12=3.0L... and so on... So the first Colombo v12 engines were absolutely tiny 1.5L v12's, which is the same basic piston size as a 500cc 4cyl motorcycle. Also the original Colombo v12 engine design only lasted until the Ferrari 275 series of cars. After that the bore spacing in the block was lengthened to make room for further displacement increases. So the 330 series and later engines were all longer and heavier than the original Colombo engines.
As a 27 year old enthusiast whose first car was a 1965 VW Beetle, it is hard for me to imagine that there will be a world where the icons of the 40’s to 70’s will be forgotten or lose value. They are incredibly engaging to interact with in way that 80’s and 90’s cars are not. EFI and modern(ish) ignition systems have made cars in the last few decades largely similar to interact with and those who prefer a genuinely different driving experience will continue to buy and operate early automobiles
If you spend a reasonable amount of time experiencing older cars from past eras in person rather than on the internet. One will gain an appreciation of engineering from the past and look past the actual capabilities of a given platform to see the vision behind the project and gain a new understanding of why that particular car exists and that might spark a fire in a younger, more curious enthusiast into the history of automobiles and why they exist. I find myself as a “younger” enthusiast drawn to vehicles that are objectively worse than modern vehicles because the the story behind the design is more important than the actual product itself.
When I was 16, I desperately wanted a muscle car, but my friends and I all drove fox bodies and 3rd generation f bodies because they were unloved but what we could afford. Now, a clean rust free example from that era gets me way more excited than those muscle cars I used to freak out about. Then again, if attrition comes for those too, and if the price is right, I'd still love to have a muscle car too. Experience is the thing, but its experience for what we drove and the experience of what we used to want. Great episode.
the 250 Europa is beautiful...I know a fellow who has one...pretty reliable and driveable too.
Damn I got a tingle all the way down my balls with that Lampredi! absolutely awesome!! thanks guys
You guys are more than entertaining to do dives into technical/historical rabbit holes. The information comes effortlessly or atleast appears that way from this side, which makes it very easy to listen to!
For London congestion zone any car over 40 years old is exempt . So you can drive old cars in the city
I did not know that.
Great episode, make one about Renault and their sport, RS cars that are now dead l (Renault 5 turbo, Clio V6, Clio Williams, Megane RS,...) and will be rebranded as Alpine.
38:00 re bans on ICE cars in city centers, currently the wider low emission zone in central London has an exemption for historical cars (which means more than 40 years old), it's pain for me with a '87 944 but a pretty good compromise all things considered
I think the early 70s - early 80s "malaise era" is certainly being felt in the classic car market and trends as well. From 1973ish - 1983ish there were VERY few American cars that elicit any kind of positive emotional response from most people and the Japanese OEMs weren't fully realized yet. As a result there wasn't this market-wide shift that we saw on "1960s" cars (really pre-1973) and are seeing again for "1980s" car (mostly post 1985). Sure there were some sports cars (240Z), coupes, and exotics from the malaise era that took off once the supply slumped sufficiently below demand - but it was predictable models from predicable makes.
I think that's where the current "Radwood"-ification of the classic car market really caught some off-guard:
1. Big Japanese brand representation
2. All body styles welcome
It shouldn'tve been surprising when cars like the W201 were ONLY available as sedans - but it still seemed to sneak up on the forecasters.
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But between the high prices of the 60s cars and the malaise era "moat" it's pretty difficult for a millennial to want to get into Pre-RADwood cars unless there's a deep personal connection. The knowledge gap, cost, and risk just seems too high.
Super interesting topic! I am not aware of many 70s cars that drive close to modern ones except Mercedes. They focused on drivability and usability at the time others were still figuring out how to make their cars start, not overheat and not randomly end up in a ditch. 🤣
First car that meets requirements of modern cars that I am aware of is probably Mercedes 300 SE / W112 from 1961. Power steering and brakes, disc brakes, 3 liter engine with fuel injection and 118kW (~160hp SAE NET!), independent suspension, air suspension with adjustable ride height, a bit jerky 4 speed auto and optional AC that does not cool super well... Much better then 90s Kia in every respect.
It does not feel like 80s car at all but well sorted examples just work. Anyone can get it and drive it.
Some pre-Radwood cars have gone up in the past 18 months, while 90s classics have gone down. Porsche 912s have gone up.
I got my license (late 90s) in a 1984 Cavalier. Cars like that taught me to pay attention and think ahead. I doubt that Jason's hit-and-run driver could function. But to a decent driver, even 80s econo cars would be usable today.
What helps with experiencing classic cars is parts availability. My oldest car is just from 1991, Mk3 Supra, and it's in the weird position between spare parts running out and becoming old enough for enthusiasts and Toyota to care about it again. So if I was in the market for owning a pre-80s car I'd take a look at 66-72 muscle cars. Tons of parts available for 350 SBCs, 440 Mopars etc. which helps sorting out cars to a point where the technology is only as demanding as it was when new, not adding malfunctions, wear and tear.
24:18 AMG One is not a "race-car first, designed later as a street car". Its a real F1 engine adapted into a super/hypercar (which always was desgined to be a hypercar).
"Race car" is something different. M1, 037, Stratos, CLK GTR, 911 GT1 etc are a league of there own
It's also important to note just how much of an impact the Cash for Clunkers scrap program had on many of the cars from the 80s and 90s.
I'm 25 and I own a 70's trans am, I live for cars pre 80's for me the cut off is about 1958 for any knowledge or experience or interest
I'm looking forward to the Vignale video far more than the RS2 film - good as that was.
Second gen Ford GT is also a race car first, road car second. It's how Ford sorta kinda cheated the production car requirement for GTE back in 2016.
Loved the discussion of Ferraris from back in the day :) and dear god the noise oh so good
DTS’s enthusiasm for information is infectious. When are you coming to Baltimore for some car talk?
Jason, you 1000% NEED to get you that K swapped Elise Series 2! Who cares, besides you, if you’ve got another motor swapped car!? As you and DTM rightly preach, it’s ALL about the experience and the experience of hammering a K20 Elise on a twisty road will be EPIC. Smiles for days!
The first Ferrari they actually made had a 125cc*12=1.5 liter v12!
So, what about ecu's? electronic fuel injection means there are ecu's and few repair them nowadays, and replacements are getting thinner and thinner (when they are available at all) mechanical fuel injection and carburators can be repaired and remade even if it is horrendously expensive in some cases. So i would guess that the 80's and younger stuff will not hold the values as good due to being less repairable. (Oh and more pastic that is hard to get replacements for)
Hello from America! We daily drive cars from the 90s and the 2000s simply because we can’t afford modern vehicles :)
I work in claims. Even if the police don’t pursue her, if you get a copy of the police report and give it to your insurance company they will pursue her company. They will find her and at the very LEAST she will get the “at-fault” accident on her record.
I enjoy every episode, thank you for making them.
First racecar homologated for the street that comes to my mind is the 2017 Ford GT.
Love the talks of the 50's Ferrari's I love the 250 series. Also the M1 BMW and the overall show was phenomenal.
43:54 I ran it back twice and I still have no idea where you had been going with this :D
Which engine was first at around 13.30 in the video? Aural bliss!!
@52:00 Yes, but Accords Euro/Type Rs? Those are a different story and as soon as they're 25 years old will start being discovered in the US.
I think the issue in the US is the Euro Rs are to similar to the TSX
I had a Euro S which was Hondas " We won't give you a full R but we can give you some of it " version for Australia and NZ market.
ginetta G40 was a race car with a small engine and was then fitted with mx5 2L engine to make the G40R which was supposed to be the road car version
We can't afford stuff. Cars from the pre-1980 will go to a mueseum because we just can't afford them.
Jason, take your Elise to Trackspec in Fremont - they are doing K20/K24 swaps there...
50:45 - Jason, I have a K20A I want to sell. Lucky for you it comes with the rest of a JDM DC5 Integra. Well looked after, you'll have to import it from the UK, but that hardly seems like the most outlandish thing you've done to get a car. Ping me a message, I've also just built a true-to-factory 1:1 papier maché Elise body, just like they do in Norfolk. The whole kit could be yours! I mean, find another, right? I look forward to hearing from you.
Here is the solution to the problem of usability of pre-1980s cars: update the chassis and drivetrain with newer ones, and only retain the sheet metal and perhaps the interior of the older car. It's been done since the 80s, and is more popular than ever. Everything from aftermarket parts that work with the factory suspension pickup points, to complete modern chassis designed to replace the original, to rebody a newer vehicle with an older one. In this way, one can enjoy a vehicle that appears to be old, but drives like a car from the 21st century.
My oldest car is a 95 bmw 325 convert and it runs and operates perfectly. Soon I believe my car collection will be a decade newer
Just bought a 77 924 martini
Love it😎
Talking sense. Great episode. I bought a new 2021 wrx sti because it was the best version of a 2000’s spec car that I could enjoy and would hold value as a driving experience once the electric revolution takes over.
The one thing you didnt take into account toward the end while talking about cars going extinct was cash for clunkers, basically old car genocide.
Is the 330 Ferrari really vintage? Doesn't seem like that to me, but I'm old....;-) I guess my marker for "vintage" would be the live rear axle in 2 seat cars.
I just saw a 1983 Chevrolet Chevette with 5000 miles sell for $21,000! I'm 50, grew up in the 70s/80s and I think there's only a handful of domestic USA cars from those 20 years that should be preserved. :)
Yeay! They're back
Man, hearing you talk about the lady who hit you makes my blood boil. I'm still trying to figure out what I can do (if anything) about my situation where I was struck by an uninsured DUI driver in 2021. She went to jail then posted bail and that's kind of where it ended for me. I have heard there's not much I can do if she doesn't own a house but man, the lady nearly killed me and now I'm stuck with a perma-limp and she basically gets off free? Seems like BS. Ugh I hate people.
I really hope you guys are able to attend the gridlife event at Laguna Seca this October. To really see the radwood cars kepts and driven...
Id say the new Ford GT was built as a race car first. as it was built by Multimatic, the company that builds their race cars.
Sorry to hear about your Honda, but this is a fine opportunity to get a Nissan Figero!
We still haven't forgot the piechisode
I am super excited too see an episode on cars designed as racecars that ended up on the road also when is the Ferdinand piechesode coming can't wait
The (economic) power of nostalgia.
Child of the 90's? 1890's maybe.
😂😂
I own a 348...would the M1 feel similar? A different era of course.Not sure, but I’ve always wondered?
I just found out that Vignale also made one of the most beautifull cars ever IMO: The Abarth 205 from 1950. If you compare it with the Vignale-Ferraris the similarities are apparent. But to me the Abarth puts them into a more coherent shape in the end. Up there with Alfa 33 Tipo Stradale or a Miura.
You are right about being usable my 85 AE86 is perfectly fine to drive to and from work and is more joyful while doing so then a lot of modern stuff. As for electric cars I am going to rant a little. I do not believe the push to go electric is environmentally motivated, I believe it to be monetarily motivated. Electronics are disposable they are meant to be replaced frequently you can build in planned obsolesce in electronics extremely easily so when they fail you will most likely buy a new device replacing the old one because it simply isn't worth fixing. I do not have nostalgia for my first smart phone or my first TV or even the first computer I put together with my mom in the 80s all served a purpose and all are now trash somewhere. To me this seems a push to drive consumerism further to save an industry. If they really were so concerned with fixing our weather patterns they would not only be spending billions on preserving our rain forest/ocean environments(big contributor) around the world they would be expanding them as rapidly as possible. I have worked in IT for over 20 years and I have thrown out at least, at least, 10000 lbs of E waste a year. Don't get me wrong I do not hate EVs and for a lot of people its the right way to go but I get pissed when people say its for the environment, we are trying to fix the environment and it will have diminishing returns as all the forest grow smaller and smaller. I believe our focus is in the wrong place and its all based on greed and thats what angers me so.
this is why I want to get an old car now before it gets expensive, so that I actually want to drive it.
Thanks for the awesome videos. Here in New Zealand there is a very similar pattern of 80s and 90s cars becoming the collectors choice, especially JDMs. The exception being American muscle cars and Australian muscle cars of the 60s and 70s. When I was a young boy most of the cars on our street were British cars from the 60s and 70s. Hence my love for cars from that era and country. However these cars are less desirable which is great if you are wanting an affordable classic. However living with a classic from this era involves patience and care as they are less reliable but absolutely awesome all the same.
Using San Francisco drivers to argue for self-driving cars isn't completely convincing. There are other cities where driving isn't a combat sport.
I'm a 21 year old who would buy a vintage Bentley if money were no object. I'm sure it would fantastically awful and fail over and over again but that seems like part lf the fun. After driving a few modern fast cars i came to the conclusion that i just don't care. I don't really care for cars of my youth because they (often) suck. Same goes for music for me. Anyways, i think there might be plenty of interest in older cars because my generation might want something different after driving lots of the newer stuff. Whether they'll actually start looking at cars built before the 80's? I don't know, but why not? We live in a world in which experiences matter, so why not try something a little bit strange.
I love you guys.
I wish you kept talking a bit more about the 2 ferrari engines, how they feel compared to each other, and why they sound so different.
Derek has early Colombo sizes wrong. 125 is 1.5L, 166 is 2L etc.
wow.....6000 STE reference. had one, liked it but it did have mechanical issues
My 1980's cars were fun but terrible in build quality. 86 Lancia scorpion , 84 formula 455 firebird , 81 280 Z . 85 porsche 944. My 1970 porsche 911T was way better. The porsche 944 drove super well and balanced, and engine was butter smooth
So what happens to all the early cars that were once treasured etc? Scrap?
They become museum pieces people will still like them they're just not going to be worth as much and there's less people interested I know 35 year olds that like model A's and call anything after 1970 modern
Can you recommend a list of Ferrari books?
My uncle just bought a e23 733i I'm south African so he wanted a 745i with that m1 engine but ouch they are expensive. I think those early 3, 5 and 7 series will rise in value like the e24 635csi
Pontiac 6000 STE, almost forgotten...
I though Hyphen would know about the Texaco in the ///M logo