You're right. After completing the main quest line, doing normal random dungeons and world quests while in the dungeon queue was the most expedient way to level your alts. I also noticed the high trash mob count in the level-up dungeons but since I was actually leveling (MOB = XP), I didn't mind it so much.
Cheers mate, I'm sure Season 1 will bring more stuff to do, so I'll record a follow-up then... At the moment it feels like Radiant Echoes event when it first launched (a bit better than that, sure).
Great video as always, but I see it bit differently. 1) Campain is short - agree, but o think is advantage and gives you room to try other thing why completing story, such as: try delves, dungs, rares, side quests. I finished camplain on 79 level, did 2 dungs and turn 80. 2) Dungs - best I can remember (I started WoW during Pandaria datadisk). Why are they best? 5 out of 8 doesnt have artificial mechanic, that will slow you regardless of your strenght (flying across map, conversation, wheel cart...). Basic difficulty is easy - you can pull only one pack of mobs at time, go slowly and almost guarantees you will not die ( bosses are also easy) - boring for me. Other option - Pull, Nuke, Boss - pull everything, sweet tears and blood while fighting it and then kill boss - stressfull for everybody but in some way its fun, you feel like boss and its fast, dung can be finished in 7 min. 3) Delves - mediocre content - boring quests, harder then dungs and also longer then dungs. In pre season absoluty useless, dont waste keys to 571 ilvl !!! insted do HC dungs. 4) World is barren - disagree - there are lot of rares, treasures, world quests, mount farming, profesions - a lot of things to to excluding instances 5) Side quests - ok rewards for me (I value upgrade material and renown more then gear, becouse gear is too common in this datadisk). Story of quests: some are great, for example: helping some kobalt dude to set up candle shop, other are basic crap. Not recommending them for leveling. Best way of leveling alt is spamming dungeons - it takes you cca 3-4 hour to be 80 with some gear. 6. Radiant echo - boring 5 min event with incredible rewards: upgrade material and key fragments. Why? Keys to delves are I think only option for us casuals to achieve HC.Raid ilvl. For normal and LFR grade gears are lot of options: 1-2 pieces weekly from LFR raid, 1-2 from crafting, 1 from weekly quest and world boss, so you can gear up in 3-5 weeks by playing few hours in week an alts. Where is problem? you would not have enought upgrade materials to do 8/8 on most pieces. Gear is not problem, but make it better is. for me TWW is 8/10 - delves and world events + quests could be better. I playing from monday and I still have a lot of things to do: pet world quest are fun (you need to think what kind of pets to use to win), PvP arenas - not sure if they are open during pre season, profesions leveling, mounts farming - I think there are 4-5 farmable mounts, so just play podcast or music in background and lets mindlessly grind bees 😀
Thanks for a generous write-up mate, I appreciate opinions that are backed-up by a thinking process, even if people disagree with me. I'll comment on a couple of your points: 1 - I still think short campaign is "bad" because it doesn't give you "room" - it FORCES you to explore other content. I would have used side options that you've mentioned on my alts anyway. Campaign could have (and should have) taken my main 100% to 80. 2 - Hmm lots of good points there about Dungeons, I'll reflect on it more. 3 - Glad it's not just me, Delves are very central yet disappointing in terms of effort vs. reward. 4 - I guess "barren world" for me is a feeling rather than amount of "busy work" one could be engaged in. And that's an important point I didn't make clearly enough in the video. To me, if I don't get a tangible one-piece reward like a piece of gear or a cosmetic item, but it's yet another piece-meal of currency of sorts, it starts feeling very unrewarding hence "barren" very quickly. We're all different, I guess 🤷♀️
For me, only the bug-zone questing was interesting. Luckily my wife is having a good time playing a race/class/professions combo she has never done before. (We are OG High Warlord and General, for perspective.) However, my attention is already wandering thinking about my LotRO Rune-keeper or Dragon Knight from ESO, Fallout London and so on. The hero talents are underwhelming as implemented. I would also like a server where minimal addons are allowed and the world is more dangerous. A Blackrock Depths-style area would go a long way with lengthy interwoven quest lines. Pity. I only have three 80's atm.
At last a ballanced feedback video. Much appreciated. Delves are way overused, more tourghast type content. Games exactly the same poor design in a different suit. Dungeons so unrewarding, 3 runs on my 2nd level 80 and no gear. I have had so many crashes logging me out this week, now its seriously annoying. It's the same time gated garbage.
I am finding it all very boring and arduous work for little reward. I have leveled three characters and done the campaign twice, I still feel no attachment to any of the characters (NPC's) and I'm rather tired of being treated like a servant for them. As a solo player I find it's all very lacking, I really wanted to enjoy this expansion, but if I feel like this after a couple of weeks, I don't hold out too much hope that I will continue playing. I know a lot of people are loving it and I am happy for them. But for me it's tedious... I will now go and complete a world quest picking up soggy toys, because that makes me feel like I am really at war, the war of the cuddly toys.... bring it on! :)
Hey I'm sorry to hear it (on one hand) but on another it's a relief to hear as I really started thinking that "it's just me", because my impressions are honest, but clearly not hitting the mark with most of my other viewers - which is fair enough, it is what it is. But I do agree with your summary. It's (kinda) boring. I just don't feel like going out in this new world of Khaz Algar, the world DOES feel barren to me, world quests while providing some rewards don't feel impactful or worthy of pursuit, dungeons are "okay" but nothing that I'd feel real kick out of running through, and Delves are just there... I have NO interest in exploring all of them. They are jumping puzzle game scenarios, mix of different content types we've seen already.
IDK. Barren world? I don't see that. Content you may not want or like to do? As for delves - Torghest 2.0. They 're okay. I haven't done all of them, but I've done half multiple times at 1, 2 and 3. Also regarding the Campaign if you unlock the Renown level (Council of Donogol 6 maybe?) there is more Campaign - actually quite a bit. I imagine more unlocks? IDK haven't looked at the reward tracks. Personally I don't like the fast track Campaign to unlock stuff, then go backfill quests (DF & TWW). I find it jarring and just WHY? But Blizz is trying to cater to the hurry-up-and-wait-for-a-queue crowd and the tourists that want to see everything. Hard to be everything to everyone and make all happy! It was also an interesting choice to make DF Tier sets work until level 79? That's a first. I expected green replacement gear drops, and kept getting super low ilvl another Why??? Mixed views on this expansion so far.
Fair points. I did feel that the world is pretty barren outside of Delves and side quests. Reflected on it for a minute after reading your comment and frankly still feel this way. I guess we're all different.
i was 76 before leaving the first zone and hit 80 in the second zone. finished the last zone and got pathfinder achieve and can now fly normal. usually agree with his takes...but this video not so much.
WoW is made to be an RPG, you're supposed to like the exploring, the achievments, the secrets, people like you make the e-sports mentality go up high and that's toxic for the game. Number 14 survival hunter of the world here, 190 elemental. I do want mythics, but if i was just interested on being good at the game and performing well in the competitive content I'd be running another game like a FPS or MoBA, not an RPG. Do the same maybe.
Why would I do the same if I'm a different kind of player? Or do you think everyone wants to be like you and you represent some kind of uniform pinnacle of what a "WoW player" needs to be in 2024? Wake up and get a life while you're at it. WoW is a theme park with many rides. I like some, I don't like others.
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You're right. After completing the main quest line, doing normal random dungeons and world quests while in the dungeon queue was the most expedient way to level your alts. I also noticed the high trash mob count in the level-up dungeons but since I was actually leveling (MOB = XP), I didn't mind it so much.
Cheers mate, I'm sure Season 1 will bring more stuff to do, so I'll record a follow-up then... At the moment it feels like Radiant Echoes event when it first launched (a bit better than that, sure).
Great video as always, but I see it bit differently.
1) Campain is short - agree, but o think is advantage and gives you room to try other thing why completing story, such as: try delves, dungs, rares, side quests. I finished camplain on 79 level, did 2 dungs and turn 80.
2) Dungs - best I can remember (I started WoW during Pandaria datadisk). Why are they best? 5 out of 8 doesnt have artificial mechanic, that will slow you regardless of your strenght (flying across map, conversation, wheel cart...). Basic difficulty is easy - you can pull only one pack of mobs at time, go slowly and almost guarantees you will not die ( bosses are also easy) - boring for me. Other option - Pull, Nuke, Boss - pull everything, sweet tears and blood while fighting it and then kill boss - stressfull for everybody but in some way its fun, you feel like boss and its fast, dung can be finished in 7 min.
3) Delves - mediocre content - boring quests, harder then dungs and also longer then dungs. In pre season absoluty useless, dont waste keys to 571 ilvl !!! insted do HC dungs.
4) World is barren - disagree - there are lot of rares, treasures, world quests, mount farming, profesions - a lot of things to to excluding instances
5) Side quests - ok rewards for me (I value upgrade material and renown more then gear, becouse gear is too common in this datadisk). Story of quests: some are great, for example: helping some kobalt dude to set up candle shop, other are basic crap. Not recommending them for leveling. Best way of leveling alt is spamming dungeons - it takes you cca 3-4 hour to be 80 with some gear.
6. Radiant echo - boring 5 min event with incredible rewards: upgrade material and key fragments. Why? Keys to delves are I think only option for us casuals to achieve HC.Raid ilvl. For normal and LFR grade gears are lot of options: 1-2 pieces weekly from LFR raid, 1-2 from crafting, 1 from weekly quest and world boss, so you can gear up in 3-5 weeks by playing few hours in week an alts. Where is problem? you would not have enought upgrade materials to do 8/8 on most pieces. Gear is not problem, but make it better is.
for me TWW is 8/10 - delves and world events + quests could be better. I playing from monday and I still have a lot of things to do: pet world quest are fun (you need to think what kind of pets to use to win), PvP arenas - not sure if they are open during pre season, profesions leveling, mounts farming - I think there are 4-5 farmable mounts, so just play podcast or music in background and lets mindlessly grind bees 😀
Thanks for a generous write-up mate, I appreciate opinions that are backed-up by a thinking process, even if people disagree with me. I'll comment on a couple of your points:
1 - I still think short campaign is "bad" because it doesn't give you "room" - it FORCES you to explore other content. I would have used side options that you've mentioned on my alts anyway. Campaign could have (and should have) taken my main 100% to 80.
2 - Hmm lots of good points there about Dungeons, I'll reflect on it more.
3 - Glad it's not just me, Delves are very central yet disappointing in terms of effort vs. reward.
4 - I guess "barren world" for me is a feeling rather than amount of "busy work" one could be engaged in. And that's an important point I didn't make clearly enough in the video. To me, if I don't get a tangible one-piece reward like a piece of gear or a cosmetic item, but it's yet another piece-meal of currency of sorts, it starts feeling very unrewarding hence "barren" very quickly.
We're all different, I guess 🤷♀️
For me, only the bug-zone questing was interesting. Luckily my wife is having a good time playing a race/class/professions combo she has never done before. (We are OG High Warlord and General, for perspective.) However, my attention is already wandering thinking about my LotRO Rune-keeper or Dragon Knight from ESO, Fallout London and so on.
The hero talents are underwhelming as implemented. I would also like a server where minimal addons are allowed and the world is more dangerous.
A Blackrock Depths-style area would go a long way with lengthy interwoven quest lines. Pity. I only have three 80's atm.
Thanks for your thoughts, glad the others are noticing how underwhelming this content package really is
At last a ballanced feedback video. Much appreciated. Delves are way overused, more tourghast type content. Games exactly the same poor design in a different suit. Dungeons so unrewarding, 3 runs on my 2nd level 80 and no gear. I have had so many crashes logging me out this week, now its seriously annoying. It's the same time gated garbage.
At least it's "not just me" then, thanks for sharing your thoughts mate
I am finding it all very boring and arduous work for little reward. I have leveled three characters and done the campaign twice, I still feel no attachment to any of the characters (NPC's) and I'm rather tired of being treated like a servant for them. As a solo player I find it's all very lacking, I really wanted to enjoy this expansion, but if I feel like this after a couple of weeks, I don't hold out too much hope that I will continue playing. I know a lot of people are loving it and I am happy for them. But for me it's tedious... I will now go and complete a world quest picking up soggy toys, because that makes me feel like I am really at war, the war of the cuddly toys.... bring it on! :)
Hey I'm sorry to hear it (on one hand) but on another it's a relief to hear as I really started thinking that "it's just me", because my impressions are honest, but clearly not hitting the mark with most of my other viewers - which is fair enough, it is what it is. But I do agree with your summary. It's (kinda) boring. I just don't feel like going out in this new world of Khaz Algar, the world DOES feel barren to me, world quests while providing some rewards don't feel impactful or worthy of pursuit, dungeons are "okay" but nothing that I'd feel real kick out of running through, and Delves are just there... I have NO interest in exploring all of them. They are jumping puzzle game scenarios, mix of different content types we've seen already.
IDK. Barren world? I don't see that. Content you may not want or like to do?
As for delves - Torghest 2.0. They 're okay. I haven't done all of them, but I've done half multiple times at 1, 2 and 3.
Also regarding the Campaign if you unlock the Renown level (Council of Donogol 6 maybe?) there is more Campaign - actually quite a bit. I imagine more unlocks? IDK haven't looked at the reward tracks.
Personally I don't like the fast track Campaign to unlock stuff, then go backfill quests (DF & TWW). I find it jarring and just WHY? But Blizz is trying to cater to the hurry-up-and-wait-for-a-queue crowd and the tourists that want to see everything. Hard to be everything to everyone and make all happy!
It was also an interesting choice to make DF Tier sets work until level 79? That's a first. I expected green replacement gear drops, and kept getting super low ilvl another Why???
Mixed views on this expansion so far.
Fair points. I did feel that the world is pretty barren outside of Delves and side quests. Reflected on it for a minute after reading your comment and frankly still feel this way. I guess we're all different.
i was 76 before leaving the first zone and hit 80 in the second zone. finished the last zone and got pathfinder achieve and can now fly normal.
usually agree with his takes...but this video not so much.
Which part do you not agree with? That the campaign is short? Or that I don't think one should do side quests?
WoW is made to be an RPG, you're supposed to like the exploring, the achievments, the secrets, people like you make the e-sports mentality go up high and that's toxic for the game.
Number 14 survival hunter of the world here, 190 elemental. I do want mythics, but if i was just interested on being good at the game and performing well in the competitive content I'd be running another game like a FPS or MoBA, not an RPG. Do the same maybe.
Why would I do the same if I'm a different kind of player? Or do you think everyone wants to be like you and you represent some kind of uniform pinnacle of what a "WoW player" needs to be in 2024? Wake up and get a life while you're at it. WoW is a theme park with many rides. I like some, I don't like others.