I am surprised you didn't include the SS Meteor, built in Superior WI and launched in 1896. The Meteor is the last surviving whaleback and is now a museum ship in Superior WI. As a boy, I remember seeing the Meteor, at the time a Standard Oil Co. tanker going through Sturgeon Bay WI.
2:21 that song unsettled me when i first heard it on another ship channel talking about ships lost on the great lakes. The dissonance creeps me out so much.
Just a clarification, the Sagamore was a barge, not a steamship, which is what S.S. means. Most of the whalebacks were barges, with relatively few built as powered vessels.
I have a feeling that you misspoke, a 40 MPH wind doesn’t sound hard enough to have sunk that ship. I can recall in my youth here in Hamilton, Ontario, seeing one of the Whalebacks, The John Ericsson, tied up here in the late 1960’s. It was purchased by the city to serve as a museum but the plans fell through and it was eventually scapped.
40 mph can do it. Consider the ship, it's design, and VERY low seaboard. I have no problem with the author s' assumption. Especially when you consider a 40 mph on one of the Great Lakes, compared to 40 mph on the open sea.
@@gayprepperz6862 the whalebacks were known for being remarkably stable in seas, since they shed the water much more readily than their traditionally-built counterparts. Their decks were comparatively free of obstructions such as raised hatches, so the water rolled iver them instead of sticking around waiting for the next wave. They'd use the lakes to their advantage instead of fighting them off. Even the Christopher Columbus, which appeared very top-heavy, was remarkably stable and not prone to rolling or even listing, like the more traditional passenger liners were. They could easily handle winds FAR in excess of 40MPH, unless they were altered from their original design, which was the case with the Clifton. She was altered, which made her less able to shed the waves, more susceptible to the winds, and gave her a higher center of gravity. All of those contributed to her demise.
I don't care about anyone s' objection or arguments, the whale back ships were one of the worst ship designs ever to be produced and put into service. From a theoretical point of view I can understand the argument, but reality doesn't care about ideology or theory. RIP to the men who served and also went down on these unique vessels.
I am surprised you didn't include the SS Meteor, built in Superior WI and launched in 1896. The Meteor is the last surviving whaleback and is now a museum ship in Superior WI. As a boy, I remember seeing the Meteor, at the time a Standard Oil Co. tanker going through Sturgeon Bay WI.
2:21 that song unsettled me when i first heard it on another ship channel talking about ships lost on the great lakes.
The dissonance creeps me out so much.
These boats always fascinated me, yet feel vaguely uncomfortable at the same time. lol
this channels going to be over 100k subs soon calling it now
Just a clarification, the Sagamore was a barge, not a steamship, which is what S.S. means. Most of the whalebacks were barges, with relatively few built as powered vessels.
I have a feeling that you misspoke, a 40 MPH wind doesn’t sound hard enough to have sunk that ship. I can recall in my youth here in Hamilton, Ontario, seeing one of the Whalebacks, The John Ericsson, tied up here in the late 1960’s. It was purchased by the city to serve as a museum but the plans fell through and it was eventually scapped.
I may have thank you for that
40 mph can do it. Consider the ship, it's design, and VERY low seaboard. I have no problem with the author s' assumption. Especially when you consider a 40 mph on one of the Great Lakes, compared to 40 mph on the open sea.
@@gayprepperz6862 the whalebacks were known for being remarkably stable in seas, since they shed the water much more readily than their traditionally-built counterparts. Their decks were comparatively free of obstructions such as raised hatches, so the water rolled iver them instead of sticking around waiting for the next wave. They'd use the lakes to their advantage instead of fighting them off. Even the Christopher Columbus, which appeared very top-heavy, was remarkably stable and not prone to rolling or even listing, like the more traditional passenger liners were.
They could easily handle winds FAR in excess of 40MPH, unless they were altered from their original design, which was the case with the Clifton. She was altered, which made her less able to shed the waves, more susceptible to the winds, and gave her a higher center of gravity. All of those contributed to her demise.
I don't care about anyone s' objection or arguments, the whale back ships were one of the worst ship designs ever to be produced and put into service. From a theoretical point of view I can understand the argument, but reality doesn't care about ideology or theory. RIP to the men who served and also went down on these unique vessels.
I suppose everyone is entitled to their opinion, even if they are wrong.