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It’s very interesting the amount the amount of people that just hate the idea of an electric motor. The pros and cons list you provided is a great start. When I switched from gas to electric for my mower and lawn tools, its was an absolute game changer. Zero maintenance, starts every single time. The sheer time I save from not winterizing and troubleshooting and pretending to be a small engine mechanic is worth the extra expense. I’ll spend money to save time any day of the week. Thank you for the review!
@@snoogmuffins I am an electric convert too, solar panels and have been slowly replacing yard tools with electric. Electric trimmer only lasted 2 years, now I'm back to using the 15 year old gas trimmer and the electric one can't be repaired. Wish they would make rugged and repairable electric yard tools, they are not there yet
I use electric propulsion on two of my boats. One is a 18' catamaran with solar panels. I can cruise for weeks on the canal systems in our province without ever plugging in. I like to refer to the extra expense as buying a "quietude" option.
I have a 21 foot cat running 2 electric motors and it is a beautiful cruising vehicle that sips electricity. I have never had a gas boat and kinda think I never will
thanks wayne. about the maintenance of the outboard. my guy charge me 150each spring to prep the motor. Before the covid it was 75$ and now it's 150$. so in 5 years it pretty much the same price. the labour in canada is very expensive. mecanics charge 100$ easy. 150$ if there's nothing to do. If there's parts to change then it goes up fast. really fast.
It’s all about the application. If you’re on a restricted lake and gas is limited or not allowed then this is a great option. I especially like the idea of running it on an older boat that has some character but is mechanically challenged. A couple guys on here are even using the old outboard engine cases and converting them to electric. Too cool.
We're at a similar point right now with outboards that we were with things like lawn mowers and garden tools 6 or 8 years ago, and also electric cars 4-5 years ago. The prices are high because the companies are trading on novelty convenience quiet Etc. Eventually everyone will get into this game and the prices will come way down to earth, and they will actually be cheaper than gas powered equipment. This motor could easily be sold even today for half of what its current price is based just on technical specs and capacity. In a few years the batteries will be so much better and cheaper, and solar panel biminis will be a no brainer . . . Meaning the boat will charge itself sitting at the dock, and even a bit while under way. Gas or diesel can't do that last I checked.
We converted our 40 sailboat to electric after our diesel blew up. We have never looked back. No maintenance and no oil floating around my boat except for that coming off of the other boatrs😂 This motor will be a perfect complement to our boat for our dingy needs!
I own quite a bit of battery powered tools as a retired building contractor. I also bought into the Greenworks 80v system for maintaining about an acre of yards in the N. GA mountains. The Greenworks zero turn mower/tractor is an incredible machine, made in Morristown TN. I paid $5k including the batteries. My point, I'm all for "green" but the cost of an electric outboard boat just seems too costly and impracticable for the average joe. For about half the cost of this electric system, you can buy a very nice gas outboard that will plane the boat and go all day with unlimited range. Also there are many environmental issues with lithium batteries in some of the unbiased reports I have read recently. My opinion, battery tech is not where it needs to be for the general populace. I had a 3.2v portable lithium powered hard drive literally explode in my living room, like a flash/bang grenade. Not to say we won't get there, but it is a developing tech for now. Thanks for the information and video!
The only real advantage of Electric is in noise am the only time that really matters in when your trolling... If you are happy with displacement speeds, limited range and are comfortable being next to high voltage in a water environment. Electric is the way for you, good thing wiring almost never goes bad on boats...
I love it that there are larger and more powerful options out there, I have a Sun Dolphin Pro 120 12 foot boat, this would be cool as a long range power source, my only restriction is the costs, I bought my boat and set it up on a budget using readily available components, such as my two lead acid batteries, and two trolling motors, I do appreciate that new development could eventually create lower costs options, enjoy your content and thanks for doing what you do !
In a few years when you’re ready for new batteries you should be able to find LiFePo4 batteries for about the same cost as your existing batteries and they’ll weigh 1/2 as much.
nice segment Wayne. That seems like a really nice motor. out of my budget but its nice. love Dan's setup, its well thought out and engineered. thanks for sharing.
Wow did he seriously forgot to mention the range limitation in the pros/cons list? I know that it isn’t always an issue when you’re boating on a smaller lake (with a big enough battery), but in a direct comparison to the Suzuki 4 stroke it is still important to mention. So here you are: Pro for the fossil engine: huge range, Con for the electric: limited range in comparison. Don’t get me wrong I love electric and I also have an epropulsion on my dinghy tender. But give it a fair comparison.
I have a 6 hp Yamaha gas and a E- Propulsion 2.5 equivalent for our dinghy. Although the E-Propulsion is nice, for docking I actually like the gas better, the E-Propulsion has a delay when going from forward and reverse. I’m sure if I spent more time with the epropulsion I would get better with it. I like the high speed range of the gas engine and a 3 gallon tank. The epropulsion has major range limitations at high speeds.
@@WayneTheBoatGuy Yeah, there’s no noise, so it’s hard for me to tell what it’s doing, on a gas motor it’s obvious . Like I said before, I’m sure if I spent more time with it I would get better. I personally perfer the range and functionality of my Yamaha gas. I’m considering selling the epropulsion.
@the_wanderful_life Interesting, mine has a slight delay when switching from forward to reverse, this delay is much longer than when I switch my 6 hp Yamaha from forward to reverse. Like i said before I’m sure if I spent more time with the Epropulsion I would get better. We use these little motors to get to shore from our cabin cruiser to shore and checking crab pots which sometimes can be fairly long distances. We like to go full throttle and Epropulsion has limited range at full throttle. For this reason I prefer my 6 hp Yamaha and a 3 gallon tank. Like most things in life using the right tool for a given job is key, and for us the Yamaha gas is a better fit, I can see certain applications where the Epropulsion would be a better fit. Recharge time is a turn off for me as well. I can ‘recharge’ my gas motor in under a minute, this is important when the dinghy is effectively your car when cruising.
@the_wanderful_life Yeah, sounds like a your use profile is a good fit for Epropulsion. We use our dingy for fishing far from the boat and I don’t like Epropulsion range anxiety.
Seeing this powerful and quiet electric outboard in action is exciting. It's clear that electric motors are catching up and even surpassing traditional gasoline engines in performance. Plus, the simplicity and low maintenance make it a great option for those who just want to enjoy their time on the water without the hassle of gas and oil changes.
I have a 9.8 gasser on my 135 lb 1436 Jon boat. It pushes me, my son, trolling motor, loaded cooler, 100Ah battery, fishing gear, and twin B100 seats at 21mph. I should see 23 to 25 mph with just me in there. Can you change the prop on the electric motor for different applications/speeds???
you guys have my wheels turning now, looking for a 16ft v hull jon boat, rig up some batteries and do this type of electric outboard, I def love the quiet, plus all the public lakes and reservoirs by me will not allow gas, no stipulations on electric thrust either.
Check out the new (well fairly new) electric propulsion system they use on the scenic tour boat at Niagara Falls. I don't remember the names but the charging system was incredible. Massive cables, and they have to keep it charged that boat makes a lot of trips up and down the river taking people back and forth all day.
I believe you left out some very important info and here it is. How many years will this electric motor set up last? How many years before the $4200 battery will no longer hold a charge? How long is the full replacement warranty on the electric motor and battery? I do not believe there is any history on this life of this battery or electric motor. I have been boating for over 50 years and can unequivocally state, almost all small outboards will last for generations if properly maintained. Maintenance is very inexpensive. A spark plug, every 5 years, lower unit oil every couple of years, oil and filter on 4 strokes every year and a little grease every year. I believe the chance one might take on an electric motor setup is risky, due to the lack of history with these motors. If you are thinking this technology is like my 12, 24 or 36 volt trolling motor, it is not. Thanks Jim Hammond
Yeah that's a problem with a lot of newer stuff - there is no history and no way to know how they will hold up over 20 years until they've been around 20 years.
I have a Glastron from around that era. It’s a bow rider. It was love at first sight. It’s in 2 pieces at the moment, removed rotted stringers ready for its next go around. Maybe some multi-trollers on there.
@@WayneTheBoatGuy very soon, I have my most productive months at the end of the year. I mow many acres and the wet has made the grass grow like early spring. I should be on the water in a couple weeks if the weather is good
Pretty cool. I'd like a 6hp equivalent for my plastic jon boat. I have a 36lb thrust trolling motor on it now, upgrading to a 62lb soon. This would replace my gas outboard.
I'd love to hear if you get any more top end out of the 62lb. thrust. I recently compared three 12 volt trolling motors and there was no real difference in top speed between a 30 and a 55. ua-cam.com/video/u0XQytm-YLw/v-deo.htmlsi=hBnTZBgh-Flxm_SH
@WayneTheBoatGuy I've heard the same, it mostly just allows for more "consistent" power in chop/current rather than higher top speed. I had this 12' plastic jon boat with the 36lb motor along side a 17' G3 bass boat that had a 40lb thurst trolling motor (probably 10x heavier than my boat). My boat accelerates faster but both move the same speed at full throttle, which is to be expected. I might go with a 55lb for my upgrade instead of the 62lb for better range. Both motors would be overkill for my little boat, but better to have too much than too little!
I spent $4,000 for a brand new 25 horse Suzuki with controls and 6.5 gallon gas tank from onlineoutboards. It’ll be a long time before electric outboards can compete in space efficiency and power and speed for $4,000.
Hopefully the cost comes down on these electric outboards, and batteries become more affordable and realistic. I’d absolutely love a 50-60hp electric outboard or mud motor that makes virtually no noise. But as of now I think cost, range, and WEIGHT are downsides.
Would be really cool to see this in a head-to-head test vs a 9.9 gasoline outboard. I have a feeling they are a bit optimistic about it being as powerful.
The biggest difference is the completely different way an electric outboard delivers its power. You can compare it quite well with electric vs ice cars. When fitted with similar hp-numbers, the electric car would still have the benefit of instant torque over the entire rev-range. And as we all know with boating, torque is king, so in reality you cannot compare these figures as if they were both apples… I came from a 20hp 4st. Suzuki and now also have the ePropulsion EVO 6.0 as shown in the video. I could not be happier with the downgrade in power but at the same time VERY large increase in comfort and pleasure…
@@TheDornado I have a epropulsion and a Yamaha 6hp. If you want to go long distances at high speed I leave the epropulsion at home. Epropulsion is fine for short distances at low to medium speed, but has VERY limited range at high speed. I’m considering selling my epropulsion.
lol, 3600 bucks for just the motor alone, not including the probably 1500 dollar diy battery pack, is a MASIVE threshold to entry that a very few select portion of the market are going to care to cross. I thought small boats would be a cheap fun little hobby, but i can’t find a motor that’ll push my 12 foot hull faster than 3mph for less than 750 bucks and that’s for a pos that doesn’t run. Majority of people think the used market for gas outboard is ridiculous, much less the price of a new motor (which is why Chinese clones are becoming so popular), MUCH LESS a 5 grand starting price for a electric motor with a diy battery setup. Shits just crazy.
Finding cheap and good small gas motors is hard. And an ePropulsion Spirit 1.0 plus works well on a 12 foot boat but only get you a bit over 5 mph and it costs $2,700 with the battery. Yeah boating isn't cheap unless we get real lucky.
I've seen few of these around and they definitely are the future. If you have the money to spare it's a better choice for sure but if you don't it's a hard sell. 3.6k$ is too much for something like this, my guess is that they don't make enough of them to make economy of scale so they should come down a lot in the future since e-motors are really easy to manufacture.
I really want a nice electric outboard. The worst part of power boating is the noise...and the smell...and the pollution. You can say that batteries are hard on the environment, which is true, but I'm also not dripping oil into the lake when I check my oil (which I saw someone do, dripped the tiniest drop of oil into the water on accident and it stained the whole lake as far as I'm concerned, beautiful rainbow poison) I would feel better even with reduced range and added complexity. But I could put my boat in a shed and put solar panels on the roof and slowly regenerate my power levels and never need to carry another can of gas or pay marina rates. That VictronEnergy solar charger your buddy has is nice, I have the 75/10 model just for a small project and it works really great.
🌴 Hey Wayne, you buddy has a great looking boat , and he went full bore on his electric motor set up but it’s just not cost effective, meaning the average boater isn’t going to pay that kind of money for his toy , plus everything is separate? Why wouldn’t they offer a package deal , so I’m here because I’m just browsing options for our buddy Forrest down on the east coast of Florida and his project , ( thanks for hooking him up on that motor 👍🏼) but powering these electric motors takes a lot of battery power ( they ain’t cheap ! ) and depending on the size of your boat it gets more costly, and other considerations were are you going to be using your boat motor set up , let’s face it ,if your going to invest BIG money into an electric propulsion unit on fresh water it would be ok down here in Florida on saltwater it’s a whole different animal, salt eats electrical stuff like a 3 yr old on candy, I’m sure that maybe in the future things could change ? Maybe a composite housing on the motor or finding a way to bring the price down but I’ll still keep watching to see what happens with all the new technology today things could change tomorrow, new and better batteries are being made and with AI and robotics crazy stuff is happening, thanks for showing us that e motor set up , you always come up with great content 👍🏼
This is actually more like 8hp But they do say eletric can be 2x the power of diesel or gas equivalent so 🤷♂️ idk Maybe but id more consider it an 8hp, which is still alright
2 1/2 to 3 hours on a run isn't bad. Boaters like to anchor and hang out anyway. I bet the regular boater doesn't even run the gas motor for an hour on a day they're out on the water. Nice job. A bit expensive but if you have the money for the batteries, motor, and the extras you have a nice set up. My little Minn Kota will work just fine. And it only needs a 12 volt battery
Fascinating! And *fantastic* analysis as always. Dan is a bit of a mad scientist...you want friends like this. Can we also have a hand for that beautiful Glastron runabout from many years past? It's a PEACH!
I converted a 1980 6hp Evinrude with a 2kw bldc motor from Amazon for under 200$. Then a 42v 30ah battery off fleabay for 300$ 500$ and it reppaced my 6hp and 8hp kicker motor. I have run it for 16+ hours as a trolling motor. It has so much torque that it can probably push a small skiff all by itself. I was shocked thay it Works so well i put my gas motors up for sale. This is a kicker not main. Still have the main as gas motor. But trolling for 8 hours once i am on site i With little vibrations and no mess was worth it. Cant imagine spending this kind of money on one of these when the one i built was cheaper easier. Not fair to others as Not everyone can do a conversion. More and more conversions are being done, for less than any ev outboard currently for sale. Look at haswing, they have a geared electric outboard which needs to be tested.
That's awesome! One of the differences I notice is that home built ones have the motor where the powerhead used to be and the purpose built ones (ePropulsion/Torqeedo etc) have it underwater. How do you keep yours cool?
@@WayneTheBoatGuy have a 48v fan tied to thermal switch. When temp on motor gets to 30c fan kicks in blows air directly on motor. Cycles in and out as needed. This was proof of concept and I have 60+ hours on it now. I use it on bodies of water that are restricted to 10hp as well to move a decent size hull. Next build is finding a broken 15hp unit. Using the existing gearcase has its advantages, readily available parts and gear reduction allows a smaller motor to multiply torque.
It depends on where you plan on boating (the waves/currents etc), how fast you want to go, the weight you plan to carry and what you will be doing. I wouldn't suggest to take a 15 foot boat out on a rough river or open water (although people do).
People, stop bellyaching about the price. Of course it’s pricey because electric motors are in their infancy. It’s not about the motor but the battery. As battery technology gets better and better prices will come down and batteries will get smaller. We will have massive trickledown from automobile battery technology. Right now you would be a fool if you bought a 3hp Mercury ($1150) over a 3hp EPropulsion Spirit ($1550). The Spirit is so easy to use and is so quiet. I can’t wait for this domination to happen to higher horsepower engines.
Well 4 stoke motors are better 2 stroke motors a 9.9 4 stroke motor takes less a quart oil in a normal boating season does bur to much gas I mean electric has its advantages I agree it's interesting tech I use run 2 stroke motors they where good to noisey I currently have 50 ho Yamaha 4 stoke motors runs so quiet other I have old front mount Minn kota motor run good with two 12 v batteries hooked together it's a die hard I do believe electric outboards do have a future yes I am for cleaner technology keep up the good work your channel is awesome take care
We are someone who has owned two plug in hybrids cars and had 10kw solar on the house and really don't quite get any talk about outboard motor unless you talk battery and charging. We have a sailboat with an 8hp Nissan and would like a 9.9 electric but I just can't see it. Electric motors are always quiet and as powerful as you need. The energy storage is the whole story. Plus charging. Do they run a cord to the dock I assume? I used to say our Fusion plug in had a $9,000 tank that held 50 cents worth of gas. lol
This one has been switched over to solar charging and he has a video on his channel talking about what he is using (ua-cam.com/video/XO3ag0bajXs/v-deo.htmlsi=Ncx6gG2c54wxrf90). We chatted yesterday and he said the solar setup is working very well and keeping the boat charged up and ready when they want to take it out. The other option is running a cord and charger at the dock. Typically is boat isn't run at full throttle for a long period of time and many trips out are evening boat rides that consume less than 50% of the battery pack.
I bought my boat used 20 years ago its a 1978, with a 1982 Johnson that runs like new. It cost me $900, I've put three water pumps in it and rebuilt the carbs twice and probably spent $800 in fuel and oil over those 20 years and bought 6 starting batteries at about $60 each or so. I run the river, so a day out fishing means a couple hour trip down stream, with various moves throughout the day and a couple hour trip back to the dock. Maybe 25-30 miles traveled on about 12 gallons of fuel or less. Even if I count all the fuel I ever bought for it, I'm no where near the cost of that mere 10hp electric motor that would never get my boat on plane either. I love the idea of no maintenance and no noise but not if its going to cost me double or triple. Until its cheap than burning gas or buying cheap used motors its never going to be an option. The big issue still is batteries. I have thought about building something using a hybrid or EV motor a top an outboard lower section and running a battery form an EV, but that's also heavy and they're not easy to find cheap enough yet.
An old runner that is reliable is a no-brainer! Paid for, inexpensive to operate, and if we're a little bit handy, can keep going for a looong time! One of the challenges with many of the DIY electric setups is keeping things cool and keeping out the water and salt.
Two of them on a pontoon would be very efficient. Take out the center box for the gas outboard, and it would be like each one pushing the displacement of something similar to that of a canoe.
Batteries technology is still not good enough. I looked at a new emower. Did some research and discovered that on average people were replacing batteries every two years at a cost of 250 dollars per battery.
I can see a few lakes requiring electric at some point in the future. There have been horsepower and/or time of day limits in some places for years, so there is a bit of precedent. I'm not in favor of electric only places, but I wouldn't be surprised to see some pop up sometime. As it stands right now it's way too expensive for most people. I hope some DIYers will implement brushless motors on their own. That doesn't change the battery cost though.
If you buy this motor and install it on a new boat for 4000$ and let’s say you use it 14 weekends out on a lake fishing. And let’s say you use it 5 years. And compare it to the Suzuki motor which cost you 2600$ on the same boat. You would spend @42$ per weekend for 14 weekends is588$. Do that for 5 years you’ve spent @3000$ in fuel and oil. Add that to 2600$ and that’s what you have spent. If the batteries for the electric motor will power a trolling motor and lights then there’s no extra cost there. So add a new trolling battery to your susuki every 18 months that’s another 600$ cost. So now the 2600$ motor has turned into 6200$.
Yeah it’s a nice concept and maybe some day it will be practical. But when you have to carry multiple batteries, and if you can’t afford the loipo4 batteries and end up with lead acid which will near sink a small boat or at least cut in half what you can carry. In the video, looking at the size of the battery bay the gentleman built took up a third of the available floor space. And for everyone I fish with, there are two speeds, off and full throttle. That will destroy your run time. I am all for newer tech, but for now epower is still in its infancy and eventually it will be ready for prime time.
His box contains a lot more than the three batteries he is using to run the motor - but yes it isn't cheaper and doesn't take up less space than a gas version.
Around 30 years ago I came up with the idea of combining a golf cart and a 12 to 16 foot aluminum boat. My idea was convert an old gasoline outboard to electric with a golf cart motor. Use the golf cart batteries under the seat about a 1/3 of the way up I wanted to mount the golf cart seat and the helm I wanted to also mount the roof and put solar panels on it for recharging. I have no idea if it would of worked or how long it would last, I do know from working on a golf course that you can typically do 3 rounds of 18 holes on a single charge, that is speed restricted, depending on the design of the course hills long holes short holes or what not. The biggest reason why I didn’t was cost verses outcome, needing a boat and a golf cart was not cheap and to not even guaranteed I could or it would be viable. I still want to build my own however today there are a lot more options and study’s saying what works and what doesn’t.
Thank you for your review. I love your setup! I have a very old Merc 9.9 hp on my fishing boat. I can't imagine how of a positive having a silent trolling motor be for fishing. Indescribable. Lastly, could you please tell us the batteries & charger purchased for that setup? Great thanks & great review. PS: Do A review of a couple of big motors (50+ hp) electric main motor
@@WayneTheBoatGuy how many feet do u mean this boat is?? Not much more than 14 😅 i have a Nordkapp 17.. and its WAY bigger than this 😅 Bro the engine spec is like 10-15mph.. its not good enough. They use watt/amp/volt and final drive to simulate hp. Search koeniggsegg Electric motor explenation. He explanes how Electric motor output is not the same as petrol/diesel. And this engine is a perfect example. The perfomance is like a 6hp normal engine.. and if u alter final drive to match petrol engine, that Electric engine gets reaaaaaaaally Hot..
Not only are some lakes electric-only, but there are a lot of smaller lakes out there that don't have fuel docks. If you own property on such a lake, then it's probably a lot easier to charge your batteries when the boat is docked than to drive to the gas station to fill up portable fuel tanks and carry the heavy tanks back to the boat.
A huge pro that you don’t really mention is the avoidance of environmental pollution in a closed ecosystem. More and more lakes will go electric only (I hope!). As a fisherman the reduced noise levels, no oil slicks and the disappearance of jet skis are all benefits worth paying more for!
9.9 Yamaha 4st.as well as the Hondas and others are very quiet too in comparison to that 2 stroke, especially at trolling speeds!!! Viewing from westcoast Canada
10 HP, 20 to 50 mile range, $18K with batteries and controllers, plus the boat and trailer. I'll stick to a 4 stroke Japanese motor for another decade or two, Thank you.
I'll stick with my twin drive Minnkota's on my pontoon. It will run as fast or faster on 24volts with power trim and remote drive. The unit I have is from the eighties and cost dramatically less than this 9.9. There is a fisherman who visits the lake I live on with a aluminum 14 or so foot v hull that has an electric that is impressive. But it has ten 12-volt batteries. 120-volt system. It will hop up on plain and scream across the water like my old 250HP bass boat from years ago
I sure like tge idea of an electric outboard. I'm quite interested in the future of them, also is a lithium battery worse in the water than oil and gas. I would presume tge battery is worse having all the heavy metals and gas and oil washing to shore. However, I'm not by any means an expert on this.
There are certainly trade offs - but in day to day operation, there's basically zero 'operator pollution' running an electric. The rest of it (refining, mining, disposal etc) could be debated for decades.
Use a bigger gauge wire! Need to scale that up to at least 1/0 gauge! You will have less loss and heat through the wires. Have a cutoff switch at each battery's positive terminal so you can isolate each battery and have a heavy duty cutoff/Breaker in line near the motor that can handle the total current to the motor. You are talking a lot of current (power) there BE SAFE.
I love the idea of a quiet navigation. No smoke, no smell, no vibration, no noise. It's a dream. But for now electric engines are much too expensive. Prices will certainly go down in the next years, as the demand and the competition between brands increases. Thank you for this real life test. It's very interesting.
I've a 21 foot re-purposed sailboat I've added 1600 watts of solar to. A very educated guess to the weight is 1200 lbs. Currently it has a pair of 100 amp hour lithium batteries and a pair of Minn Kota 55 lbs thrust 12 volt trolling motors - the panels keep the batteries topped off and the boat will do 4.2 mph. I'm thinking of repowering - I'm looking at the Elco 5 hp - 24 volt I like that the motor is above the water so some little leak in a seal does not flood the whole show 'keep on boatin' 😎
@@garygerard4290 Check out Striker TR100 24v, 1152W, 48A, 90lbs, 3 blade. I got for $369aud (~$245usd). Hooked it up to a '24V 100Ah LiFePO4' from alie xpress for $450aud.
There is a lot to like about it especially in the world of battery-operated tools and mowers. However, cost is also a big factor. Just like all things, with time, increasing demand and competition, I would think these prices will drop dramatically in the next 5-10 years.
6000 watts is in fact about 8hp not 9.9. This is just math, there is a direct correlation. It will not push a boat quite as fast as a 9.9HP gas motor if they are both propped correctly for the boat. They get their "equivalent" from opaque blending of variables like static thrust which are basically only important for slow speed maneuvering (electric motors tend to spin larger props slower, and don't have a peaky power curve, so more thrust at slow speed). That said, Torqeedo makes the same exact lie so I guess they have to match their marketing. But point still is that you will lose a race to a person with a real 9.9
I hear what you're saying. First time users of many of these small electric outboards really notice the initial torque compared to a gas motor - but also really notice the lower top end speed. In addition these motors are 'more efficient' at less than top RPMs while gas motors tend to do better at full throttle (especially carbureted motors).
I just hate the run time vs weight vs price . You can get longer lasting faster speeds and less weight for a gas motor . Also on a nice relaxing day it’s great but what about in horrible weather . I hope in the future once batteries get better they will be viable but as of right now they are not worth it .
Why not get 3 spirit EVO and run trips!!! would be around 9 HP and comes with all batteries etc... Control module may be fun, but what a cool project! TRIPS on a JOHNBOAT! IN fact 5500 would get you ~ 3.5 EVO.. Splurge and run QUADS!!!
I can't help but wonder how many northern boating seasons of maintenance and fuel that extra couple thousand (if you took the inexpensive battery route) would buy. The quiet is nice, but for nearly 60 years of boating the noise hasn't been a deal breaker, but cost certainly has.
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It’s very interesting the amount the amount of people that just hate the idea of an electric motor. The pros and cons list you provided is a great start. When I switched from gas to electric for my mower and lawn tools, its was an absolute game changer. Zero maintenance, starts every single time. The sheer time I save from not winterizing and troubleshooting and pretending to be a small engine mechanic is worth the extra expense. I’ll spend money to save time any day of the week. Thank you for the review!
@@snoogmuffins I am an electric convert too, solar panels and have been slowly replacing yard tools with electric. Electric trimmer only lasted 2 years, now I'm back to using the 15 year old gas trimmer and the electric one can't be repaired. Wish they would make rugged and repairable electric yard tools, they are not there yet
I've got an ebike and it's fine, apart from the times when I need it and the battery needs charging, then it's useless lol
They only hate it cause they are anti climate conspiracy idiots.
This would be great for duck or teal hunting if it can handle the weight of decoys & gear.
@@JonathanDamon-jd the dewalt series are pretty rugged. I’ve had my cheap black and decker for 7 years now.
I use electric propulsion on two of my boats. One is a 18' catamaran with solar panels. I can cruise for weeks on the canal systems in our province without ever plugging in. I like to refer to the extra expense as buying a "quietude" option.
That’s pretty cool!
I have a 21 foot cat running 2 electric motors and it is a beautiful cruising vehicle that sips electricity. I have never had a gas boat and kinda think I never will
@@ZachMarchetti-kk3rc the catamarans seem well suited for electric!
@@philboyer2036 do you have more details about your boat?
@adamdarrow My build videos are all on line.
Had one on my 30 year old pontoon boat for almost a year now. Runs great...
Awesome!
We have a house on a 9.9hp max lake. How does this do with the pontoon? How big is yours? How many people, etc?
thanks wayne. about the maintenance of the outboard. my guy charge me 150each spring to prep the motor. Before the covid it was 75$ and now it's 150$. so in 5 years it pretty much the same price. the labour in canada is very expensive. mecanics charge 100$ easy. 150$ if there's nothing to do. If there's parts to change then it goes up fast. really fast.
It’s all about the application. If you’re on a restricted lake and gas is limited or not allowed then this is a great option. I especially like the idea of running it on an older boat that has some character but is mechanically challenged. A couple guys on here are even using the old outboard engine cases and converting them to electric. Too cool.
Funny you mention about the 'old outboard cases and converting them to electric' - the summer has just begun!
We're at a similar point right now with outboards that we were with things like lawn mowers and garden tools 6 or 8 years ago, and also electric cars 4-5 years ago. The prices are high because the companies are trading on novelty convenience quiet Etc. Eventually everyone will get into this game and the prices will come way down to earth, and they will actually be cheaper than gas powered equipment. This motor could easily be sold even today for half of what its current price is based just on technical specs and capacity. In a few years the batteries will be so much better and cheaper, and solar panel biminis will be a no brainer . . . Meaning the boat will charge itself sitting at the dock, and even a bit while under way. Gas or diesel can't do that last I checked.
We converted our 40 sailboat to electric after our diesel blew up. We have never looked back. No maintenance and no oil floating around my boat except for that coming off of the other boatrs😂
This motor will be a perfect complement to our boat for our dingy needs!
And no smell of diesel when below deck!
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We rented an electric boat on the Thames, on our trip to England last year. It was wonderful.
Nice!
Very much like the idea of solar panels on the boat that lets you play on Saturdays and spends its time Sun- Fri refueling the boat.
Ive studied these at length, its good stuff. Perfect for the casual boater.
You should ask Dan if he's willing to take on the Boston Whaler fix up.. That boat deserves it
The Whaler has a whole summer of work to do on the water!
Neat but price has to come down quite a bit before this becomes mainstream.
@@EricScherrer It will and already has. I don't understand the comparison to a 3 hp instead of a 10 hp gas engine.
I own quite a bit of battery powered tools as a retired building contractor. I also bought into the Greenworks 80v system for maintaining about an acre of yards in the N. GA mountains. The Greenworks zero turn mower/tractor is an incredible machine, made in Morristown TN. I paid $5k including the batteries. My point, I'm all for "green" but the cost of an electric outboard boat just seems too costly and impracticable for the average joe. For about half the cost of this electric system, you can buy a very nice gas outboard that will plane the boat and go all day with unlimited range. Also there are many environmental issues with lithium batteries in some of the unbiased reports I have read recently. My opinion, battery tech is not where it needs to be for the general populace. I had a 3.2v portable lithium powered hard drive literally explode in my living room, like a flash/bang grenade. Not to say we won't get there, but it is a developing tech for now. Thanks for the information and video!
the price is definitely the sticking point. But is sure is a cool little set up.
@@beebob1279 Yes it is, otherwise I would not have watched! ;-) Thanks!
The only real advantage of Electric is in noise am the only time that really matters in when your trolling...
If you are happy with displacement speeds, limited range and are comfortable being next to high voltage in a water environment. Electric is the way for you, good thing wiring almost never goes bad on boats...
I love it that there are larger and more powerful options out there, I have a Sun Dolphin Pro 120 12 foot boat, this would be cool as a long range power source, my only restriction is the costs, I bought my boat and set it up on a budget using readily available components, such as my two lead acid batteries, and two trolling motors, I do appreciate that new development could eventually create lower costs options, enjoy your content and thanks for doing what you do !
In a few years when you’re ready for new batteries you should be able to find LiFePo4 batteries for about the same cost as your existing batteries and they’ll weigh 1/2 as much.
nice segment Wayne. That seems like a really nice motor. out of my budget but its nice. love Dan's setup, its well thought out and engineered. thanks for sharing.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Wow did he seriously forgot to mention the range limitation in the pros/cons list? I know that it isn’t always an issue when you’re boating on a smaller lake (with a big enough battery), but in a direct comparison to the Suzuki 4 stroke it is still important to mention. So here you are: Pro for the fossil engine: huge range, Con for the electric: limited range in comparison. Don’t get me wrong I love electric and I also have an epropulsion on my dinghy tender. But give it a fair comparison.
That boat and motor would be a great secondary camp boat for cruising around.
That's what most boat owners use their boat for - just cruising and chilling.
I have a 6 hp Yamaha gas and a E- Propulsion 2.5 equivalent for our dinghy. Although the E-Propulsion is nice, for docking I actually like the gas better, the E-Propulsion has a delay when going from forward and reverse. I’m sure if I spent more time with the epropulsion I would get better with it. I like the high speed range of the gas engine and a 3 gallon tank. The epropulsion has major range limitations at high speeds.
A delay between forward and reverse - I hadn't really thought much about that before, but it's a valid point for some situations.
@@WayneTheBoatGuy Yeah, there’s no noise, so it’s hard for me to tell what it’s doing, on a gas motor it’s obvious . Like I said before, I’m sure if I spent more time with it I would get better. I personally perfer the range and functionality of my Yamaha gas. I’m considering selling the epropulsion.
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@the_wanderful_life Interesting, mine has a slight delay when switching from forward to reverse, this delay is much longer than when I switch my 6 hp Yamaha from forward to reverse. Like i said before I’m sure if I spent more time with the Epropulsion I would get better. We use these little motors to get to shore from our cabin cruiser to shore and checking crab pots which sometimes can be fairly long distances. We like to go full throttle and Epropulsion has limited range at full throttle. For this reason I prefer my 6 hp Yamaha and a 3 gallon tank. Like most things in life using the right tool for a given job is key, and for us the Yamaha gas is a better fit, I can see certain applications where the Epropulsion would be a better fit. Recharge time is a turn off for me as well. I can ‘recharge’ my gas motor in under a minute, this is important when the dinghy is effectively your car when cruising.
@the_wanderful_life Yeah, sounds like a your use profile is a good fit for Epropulsion. We use our dingy for fishing far from the boat and I don’t like Epropulsion range anxiety.
Another great video ! I love that it is quiet and easy to care for, but that cost is hard to deal with.
Yeah it's not just a 'little bit' more money - it's a lot!
Had several Glastron/Carlson boats, great hull designs.
Seeing this powerful and quiet electric outboard in action is exciting. It's clear that electric motors are catching up and even surpassing traditional gasoline engines in performance. Plus, the simplicity and low maintenance make it a great option for those who just want to enjoy their time on the water without the hassle of gas and oil changes.
I have a 9.8 gasser on my 135 lb 1436 Jon boat.
It pushes me, my son, trolling motor, loaded cooler, 100Ah battery, fishing gear, and twin B100 seats at 21mph.
I should see 23 to 25 mph with just me in there.
Can you change the prop on the electric motor for different applications/speeds???
you guys have my wheels turning now, looking for a 16ft v hull jon boat, rig up some batteries and do this type of electric outboard, I def love the quiet, plus all the public lakes and reservoirs by me will not allow gas, no stipulations on electric thrust either.
I love that old school runabout.
Check out the new (well fairly new) electric propulsion system they use on the scenic tour boat at Niagara Falls. I don't remember the names but the charging system was incredible. Massive cables, and they have to keep it charged that boat makes a lot of trips up and down the river taking people back and forth all day.
I believe you left out some very important info and here it is.
How many years will this electric motor set up last?
How many years before the $4200 battery will no longer hold a charge?
How long is the full replacement warranty on the electric motor and battery?
I do not believe there is any history on this life of this battery or electric motor.
I have been boating for over 50 years and can unequivocally state, almost all small outboards will last for generations if properly maintained. Maintenance is very inexpensive. A spark plug, every 5 years, lower unit oil every couple of years, oil and filter on 4 strokes every year and a little grease every year.
I believe the chance one might take on an electric motor setup is risky, due to the lack of history with these motors.
If you are thinking this technology is like my 12, 24 or 36 volt trolling motor, it is not.
Thanks
Jim Hammond
Yeah that's a problem with a lot of newer stuff - there is no history and no way to know how they will hold up over 20 years until they've been around 20 years.
I have a Glastron from around that era. It’s a bow rider. It was love at first sight. It’s in 2 pieces at the moment, removed rotted stringers ready for its next go around. Maybe some multi-trollers on there.
They are cool boats!
@@WayneTheBoatGuy very soon, I have my most productive months at the end of the year. I mow many acres and the wet has made the grass grow like early spring. I should be on the water in a couple weeks if the weather is good
Hi Wayne , in auss a bloke designed a solar powered boat. He had his panels resined on the tumbleholm and caught reflected light .
Pretty cool. I'd like a 6hp equivalent for my plastic jon boat. I have a 36lb thrust trolling motor on it now, upgrading to a 62lb soon. This would replace my gas outboard.
I'd love to hear if you get any more top end out of the 62lb. thrust. I recently compared three 12 volt trolling motors and there was no real difference in top speed between a 30 and a 55.
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@WayneTheBoatGuy I've heard the same, it mostly just allows for more "consistent" power in chop/current rather than higher top speed. I had this 12' plastic jon boat with the 36lb motor along side a 17' G3 bass boat that had a 40lb thurst trolling motor (probably 10x heavier than my boat). My boat accelerates faster but both move the same speed at full throttle, which is to be expected. I might go with a 55lb for my upgrade instead of the 62lb for better range. Both motors would be overkill for my little boat, but better to have too much than too little!
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I spent $4,000 for a brand new 25 horse Suzuki with controls and 6.5 gallon gas tank from onlineoutboards. It’ll be a long time before electric outboards can compete in space efficiency and power and speed for $4,000.
There would have to be a solid leap in battery tech to compete with that!
Hello Wayne,
Very cool clip, neat little small boat 👍
Pull in those fenders! 😂
Thanks for the video
Hopefully the cost comes down on these electric outboards, and batteries become more affordable and realistic.
I’d absolutely love a 50-60hp electric outboard or mud motor that makes virtually no noise. But as of now I think cost, range, and WEIGHT are downsides.
That’s a cool little old boat
They should add GPS/autopilot anchoring too!
Would be really cool to see this in a head-to-head test vs a 9.9 gasoline outboard. I have a feeling they are a bit optimistic about it being as powerful.
Yeah I agree, it would be neat to fit both rigs to the same boat and compare.
The biggest difference is the completely different way an electric outboard delivers its power. You can compare it quite well with electric vs ice cars. When fitted with similar hp-numbers, the electric car would still have the benefit of instant torque over the entire rev-range.
And as we all know with boating, torque is king, so in reality you cannot compare these figures as if they were both apples…
I came from a 20hp 4st. Suzuki and now also have the ePropulsion EVO 6.0 as shown in the video. I could not be happier with the downgrade in power but at the same time VERY large increase in comfort and pleasure…
@@TheDornado I have a epropulsion and a Yamaha 6hp. If you want to go long distances at high speed I leave the epropulsion at home. Epropulsion is fine for short distances at low to medium speed, but has VERY limited range at high speed. I’m considering selling my epropulsion.
Stay yamha
what does tiny boat nation suggest of what battery to use for this 9.9 motor to save on cost of the propriotary battery?
I think the batteries are the wildcard. They make the setup possible but also limit how you can use it.
Didn't hear him mention the AH size of those (3) Eco-Worthy batteries he has connected in parallel for the run time range....any idea ?
They were 50 Ah batteries
Great video Wayne, the idea is sound
lol, 3600 bucks for just the motor alone, not including the probably 1500 dollar diy battery pack, is a MASIVE threshold to entry that a very few select portion of the market are going to care to cross. I thought small boats would be a cheap fun little hobby, but i can’t find a motor that’ll push my 12 foot hull faster than 3mph for less than 750 bucks and that’s for a pos that doesn’t run. Majority of people think the used market for gas outboard is ridiculous, much less the price of a new motor (which is why Chinese clones are becoming so popular), MUCH LESS a 5 grand starting price for a electric motor with a diy battery setup. Shits just crazy.
Finding cheap and good small gas motors is hard. And an ePropulsion Spirit 1.0 plus works well on a 12 foot boat but only get you a bit over 5 mph and it costs $2,700 with the battery. Yeah boating isn't cheap unless we get real lucky.
I've seen few of these around and they definitely are the future. If you have the money to spare it's a better choice for sure but if you don't it's a hard sell. 3.6k$ is too much for something like this, my guess is that they don't make enough of them to make economy of scale so they should come down a lot in the future since e-motors are really easy to manufacture.
I really want a nice electric outboard. The worst part of power boating is the noise...and the smell...and the pollution. You can say that batteries are hard on the environment, which is true, but I'm also not dripping oil into the lake when I check my oil (which I saw someone do, dripped the tiniest drop of oil into the water on accident and it stained the whole lake as far as I'm concerned, beautiful rainbow poison) I would feel better even with reduced range and added complexity. But I could put my boat in a shed and put solar panels on the roof and slowly regenerate my power levels and never need to carry another can of gas or pay marina rates. That VictronEnergy solar charger your buddy has is nice, I have the 75/10 model just for a small project and it works really great.
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🌴 Hey Wayne, you buddy has a great looking boat , and he went full bore on his electric motor set up but it’s just not cost effective, meaning the average boater isn’t going to pay that kind of money for his toy , plus everything is separate? Why wouldn’t they offer a package deal , so I’m here because I’m just browsing options for our buddy Forrest down on the east coast of Florida and his project , ( thanks for hooking him up on that motor 👍🏼) but powering these electric motors takes a lot of battery power ( they ain’t cheap ! ) and depending on the size of your boat it gets more costly, and other considerations were are you going to be using your boat motor set up , let’s face it ,if your going to invest BIG money into an electric propulsion unit on fresh water it would be ok down here in Florida on saltwater it’s a whole different animal, salt eats electrical stuff like a 3 yr old on candy, I’m sure that maybe in the future things could change ? Maybe a composite housing on the motor or finding a way to bring the price down but I’ll still keep watching to see what happens with all the new technology today things could change tomorrow, new and better batteries are being made and with AI and robotics crazy stuff is happening, thanks for showing us that e motor set up , you always come up with great content 👍🏼
Very nice river boar and just the right size INVERONMENTALLY FRIENDLY engine. You have a great taste.
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What about fuel costs???? Why don't you compare those?
Too many variables like buying fuel at a marina and charging via solar.
This is actually more like 8hp
But they do say eletric can be 2x the power of diesel or gas equivalent so 🤷♂️ idk
Maybe but id more consider it an 8hp, which is still alright
Why don't you mention the added weight by the batteries?
2 1/2 to 3 hours on a run isn't bad. Boaters like to anchor and hang out anyway. I bet the regular boater doesn't even run the gas motor for an hour on a day they're out on the water.
Nice job. A bit expensive but if you have the money for the batteries, motor, and the extras you have a nice set up.
My little Minn Kota will work just fine. And it only needs a 12 volt battery
I love hearing about people just using a trolling motor!
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Fascinating! And *fantastic* analysis as always. Dan is a bit of a mad scientist...you want friends like this.
Can we also have a hand for that beautiful Glastron runabout from many years past?
It's a PEACH!
it is!
I converted a 1980 6hp Evinrude with a 2kw bldc motor from Amazon for under 200$. Then a 42v 30ah battery off fleabay for 300$
500$ and it reppaced my 6hp and 8hp kicker motor. I have run it for 16+ hours as a trolling motor. It has so much torque that it can probably push a small skiff all by itself. I was shocked thay it Works so well i put my gas motors up for sale. This is a kicker not main.
Still have the main as gas motor. But trolling for 8 hours once i am on site i
With little vibrations and no mess was worth it.
Cant imagine spending this kind of money on one of these when the one i built was cheaper easier. Not fair to others as Not everyone can do a conversion. More and more conversions are being done, for less than any ev outboard currently for sale.
Look at haswing, they have a geared electric outboard which needs to be tested.
That's awesome! One of the differences I notice is that home built ones have the motor where the powerhead used to be and the purpose built ones (ePropulsion/Torqeedo etc) have it underwater. How do you keep yours cool?
@@WayneTheBoatGuy have a 48v fan tied to thermal switch. When temp on motor gets to 30c fan kicks in blows air directly on motor. Cycles in and out as needed.
This was proof of concept and I have 60+ hours on it now. I use it on bodies of water that are restricted to 10hp as well to move a decent size hull.
Next build is finding a broken 15hp unit.
Using the existing gearcase has its advantages, readily available parts and gear reduction allows a smaller motor to multiply torque.
Dang, man. I'm loving it.
It's a very fun easy and peaceful boat to use.
That really pushes that boat along well, I bet adding a second one might get it on plane!!
Yeah that would be neat to see!
Can I use other brand battery.
Yes
Hi i have one question, is a 15 foot boat enough for my first boat?
It depends on where you plan on boating (the waves/currents etc), how fast you want to go, the weight you plan to carry and what you will be doing. I wouldn't suggest to take a 15 foot boat out on a rough river or open water (although people do).
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People, stop bellyaching about the price. Of course it’s pricey because electric motors are in their infancy. It’s not about the motor but the battery. As battery technology gets better and better prices will come down and batteries will get smaller. We will have massive trickledown from automobile battery technology.
Right now you would be a fool if you bought a 3hp Mercury ($1150) over a 3hp EPropulsion Spirit ($1550). The Spirit is so easy to use and is so quiet. I can’t wait for this domination to happen to higher horsepower engines.
@@chrisroberts3963 if you noticed, the motor without battery was north of 3500 dollars, while battery was over 4000. So it is not just battery
@@dmitripogosian5084 yup. Prices will come down as we go along.
It's gonna be a very, very long wait and by that time, who knows maybe pigs will be able to fly 😀😀😀
That's a nice little Glastron boat. What is the length and model? Thanks...
It’s a 1967 16 foot Futura Super Sport
Well 4 stoke motors are better 2 stroke motors a 9.9 4 stroke motor takes less a quart oil in a normal boating season does bur to much gas I mean electric has its advantages I agree it's interesting tech I use run 2 stroke motors they where good to noisey I currently have 50 ho Yamaha 4 stoke motors runs so quiet other I have old front mount Minn kota motor run good with two 12 v batteries hooked together it's a die hard I do believe electric outboards do have a future yes I am for cleaner technology keep up the good work your channel is awesome take care
We are someone who has owned two plug in hybrids cars and had 10kw solar on the house and really don't quite get any talk about outboard motor unless you talk battery and charging. We have a sailboat with an 8hp Nissan and would like a 9.9 electric but I just can't see it. Electric motors are always quiet and as powerful as you need. The energy storage is the whole story. Plus charging. Do they run a cord to the dock I assume? I used to say our Fusion plug in had a $9,000 tank that held 50 cents worth of gas. lol
This one has been switched over to solar charging and he has a video on his channel talking about what he is using (ua-cam.com/video/XO3ag0bajXs/v-deo.htmlsi=Ncx6gG2c54wxrf90). We chatted yesterday and he said the solar setup is working very well and keeping the boat charged up and ready when they want to take it out.
The other option is running a cord and charger at the dock. Typically is boat isn't run at full throttle for a long period of time and many trips out are evening boat rides that consume less than 50% of the battery pack.
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I bought my boat used 20 years ago its a 1978, with a 1982 Johnson that runs like new.
It cost me $900, I've put three water pumps in it and rebuilt the carbs twice and probably spent $800 in fuel and oil over those 20 years and bought 6 starting batteries at about $60 each or so. I run the river, so a day out fishing means a couple hour trip down stream, with various moves throughout the day and a couple hour trip back to the dock. Maybe 25-30 miles traveled on about 12 gallons of fuel or less.
Even if I count all the fuel I ever bought for it, I'm no where near the cost of that mere 10hp electric motor that would never get my boat on plane either.
I love the idea of no maintenance and no noise but not if its going to cost me double or triple.
Until its cheap than burning gas or buying cheap used motors its never going to be an option. The big issue still is batteries.
I have thought about building something using a hybrid or EV motor a top an outboard lower section and running a battery form an EV, but that's also heavy and they're not easy to find cheap enough yet.
An old runner that is reliable is a no-brainer! Paid for, inexpensive to operate, and if we're a little bit handy, can keep going for a looong time!
One of the challenges with many of the DIY electric setups is keeping things cool and keeping out the water and salt.
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Two of them on a pontoon would be very efficient. Take out the center box for the gas outboard, and it would be like each one pushing the displacement of something similar to that of a canoe.
~$16Kusd. 2 pushing don't = 2 x thrust, there's losses
Extremely Interesting - Thanks!
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always go gas baby. Can just get a 5 gallon can and be on my way.
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Batteries technology is still not good enough. I looked at a new emower. Did some research and discovered that on average people were replacing batteries every two years at a cost of 250 dollars per battery.
I can see a few lakes requiring electric at some point in the future. There have been horsepower and/or time of day limits in some places for years, so there is a bit of precedent. I'm not in favor of electric only places, but I wouldn't be surprised to see some pop up sometime.
As it stands right now it's way too expensive for most people. I hope some DIYers will implement brushless motors on their own. That doesn't change the battery cost though.
If you buy this motor and install it on a new boat for 4000$ and let’s say you use it 14 weekends out on a lake fishing. And let’s say you use it 5 years. And compare it to the Suzuki motor which cost you 2600$ on the same boat. You would spend @42$ per weekend for 14 weekends is588$. Do that for 5 years you’ve spent @3000$ in fuel and oil. Add that to 2600$ and that’s what you have spent. If the batteries for the electric motor will power a trolling motor and lights then there’s no extra cost there. So add a new trolling battery to your susuki every 18 months that’s another 600$ cost. So now the 2600$ motor has turned into 6200$.
That right
Yeah it’s a nice concept and maybe some day it will be practical. But when you have to carry multiple batteries, and if you can’t afford the loipo4 batteries and end up with lead acid which will near sink a small boat or at least cut in half what you can carry. In the video, looking at the size of the battery bay the gentleman built took up a third of the available floor space. And for everyone I fish with, there are two speeds, off and full throttle. That will destroy your run time. I am all for newer tech, but for now epower is still in its infancy and eventually it will be ready for prime time.
His box contains a lot more than the three batteries he is using to run the motor - but yes it isn't cheaper and doesn't take up less space than a gas version.
Around 30 years ago I came up with the idea of combining a golf cart and a 12 to 16 foot aluminum boat. My idea was convert an old gasoline outboard to electric with a golf cart motor. Use the golf cart batteries under the seat about a 1/3 of the way up I wanted to mount the golf cart seat and the helm I wanted to also mount the roof and put solar panels on it for recharging.
I have no idea if it would of worked or how long it would last, I do know from working on a golf course that you can typically do 3 rounds of 18 holes on a single charge, that is speed restricted, depending on the design of the course hills long holes short holes or what not. The biggest reason why I didn’t was cost verses outcome, needing a boat and a golf cart was not cheap and to not even guaranteed I could or it would be viable. I still want to build my own however today there are a lot more options and study’s saying what works and what doesn’t.
That is a cool motor but i can't justify $5k-$6k on my $500. boat. Im sure in time the cost of these motors and batteries may come down
for battery if have bimini roof with flexibel solar panel to charging passively if not used
Thank you for your review. I love your setup! I have a very old Merc 9.9 hp on my fishing boat. I can't imagine how of a positive having a silent trolling motor be for fishing. Indescribable. Lastly, could you please tell us the batteries & charger purchased for that setup?
Great thanks & great review.
PS: Do A review of a couple of big motors (50+ hp) electric main motor
Mph is 1.6 ,knots is 1.8.
So my friends old yamarin 14 foot, with merc 10hp wich did 19knots on GPS is basicly twice as fast.
Long way to go then
Yes, the top speed for these is not as high as some 10 hp gasoline outboards. This boat is much bigger and heavier than a 14 foot.
@@WayneTheBoatGuy how many feet do u mean this boat is?? Not much more than 14 😅 i have a Nordkapp 17.. and its WAY bigger than this 😅
Bro the engine spec is like 10-15mph.. its not good enough. They use watt/amp/volt and final drive to simulate hp. Search koeniggsegg Electric motor explenation. He explanes how Electric motor output is not the same as petrol/diesel.
And this engine is a perfect example. The perfomance is like a 6hp normal engine.. and if u alter final drive to match petrol engine, that Electric engine gets reaaaaaaaally Hot..
Not only are some lakes electric-only, but there are a lot of smaller lakes out there that don't have fuel docks. If you own property on such a lake, then it's probably a lot easier to charge your batteries when the boat is docked than to drive to the gas station to fill up portable fuel tanks and carry the heavy tanks back to the boat.
That is a benefit many do not realize because they are used to those tasks!
@@collinparsons3363 Childhood me feels seen by this comment. 😂 This motor is way cheaper than having kids to bring your fuel down.
how long the battery last on wot?
Are you south sand gates? Wouldn't the boat do better with the weight up front?
Adding a solar panel bimini would be so awesome
I love it!
A huge pro that you don’t really mention is the avoidance of environmental pollution in a closed ecosystem. More and more lakes will go electric only (I hope!). As a fisherman the reduced noise levels, no oil slicks and the disappearance of jet skis are all benefits worth paying more for!
9.9 Yamaha 4st.as well as the Hondas and others are very quiet too in comparison to that 2 stroke, especially at trolling speeds!!! Viewing from westcoast Canada
Hey there! You are correct.
what Glastron is that. It's pretty sweet
1967 Futura Supersport
So cool
Hehe though my 2024 4strok was quite.
I’ve got my aluminum doing 18-22knots 👹
could you do a video on the new Torqeedo Travel? Seems like they improved a lot, but not sure how they compare with epropulsion now
I will try to get my hands on one sometime!
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10 HP, 20 to 50 mile range, $18K with batteries and controllers, plus the boat and trailer. I'll stick to a 4 stroke Japanese motor for another decade or two, Thank you.
Where do you get 18k from??
What happened to that Yamaha 9.9 you were working on
It is going back to it's owner.
I'll stick with my twin drive Minnkota's on my pontoon. It will run as fast or faster on 24volts with power trim and remote drive. The unit I have is from the eighties and cost dramatically less than this 9.9. There is a fisherman who visits the lake I live on with a aluminum 14 or so foot v hull that has an electric that is impressive. But it has ten 12-volt batteries. 120-volt system. It will hop up on plain and scream across the water like my old 250HP bass boat from years ago
Evovoy 200 hp etric outbard
I sure like tge idea of an electric outboard. I'm quite interested in the future of them, also is a lithium battery worse in the water than oil and gas. I would presume tge battery is worse having all the heavy metals and gas and oil washing to shore. However, I'm not by any means an expert on this.
There are certainly trade offs - but in day to day operation, there's basically zero 'operator pollution' running an electric. The rest of it (refining, mining, disposal etc) could be debated for decades.
@@WayneTheBoatGuy I'm more concerned about if tge boat sinks.
@@j.wildoutdoors8483 Commercially built battery packs are sealed units.
Wrong
Cool stuff, hope they keep coming down in price
You and me both!
Batteries have a king way to go before this is comparable to gasoline unfortunately.
Use a bigger gauge wire! Need to scale that up to at least 1/0 gauge! You will have less loss and heat through the wires. Have a cutoff switch at each battery's positive terminal so you can isolate each battery and have a heavy duty cutoff/Breaker in line near the motor that can handle the total current to the motor. You are talking a lot of current (power) there BE SAFE.
I love the idea of a quiet navigation. No smoke, no smell, no vibration, no noise. It's a dream.
But for now electric engines are much too expensive. Prices will certainly go down in the next years, as the demand and the competition between brands increases.
Thank you for this real life test. It's very interesting.
Batteries are already coming down in price - which is a good sign!
My setup cost $800aud, just gotta search
@@Lana_Warwick that's awesome!
I've a 21 foot re-purposed sailboat I've added 1600 watts of solar to.
A very educated guess to the weight is 1200 lbs.
Currently it has a pair of 100 amp hour lithium batteries and a pair of
Minn Kota 55 lbs thrust 12 volt trolling motors - the panels keep the batteries topped off
and the boat will do 4.2 mph.
I'm thinking of repowering - I'm looking at the Elco 5 hp - 24 volt
I like that the motor is above the water so some little leak in a seal does
not flood the whole show
'keep on boatin' 😎
@@garygerard4290 Check out Striker TR100 24v, 1152W, 48A, 90lbs, 3 blade. I got for $369aud (~$245usd).
Hooked it up to a '24V 100Ah LiFePO4' from alie xpress for $450aud.
There is a lot to like about it especially in the world of battery-operated tools and mowers. However, cost is also a big factor. Just like all things, with time, increasing demand and competition, I would think these prices will drop dramatically in the next 5-10 years.
I have 2x20 watt solar panels charging my deep cycle boat battery and keeps my 30 pound thrust electric motor and lights happy all day long.
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6000 watts is in fact about 8hp not 9.9. This is just math, there is a direct correlation. It will not push a boat quite as fast as a 9.9HP gas motor if they are both propped correctly for the boat. They get their "equivalent" from opaque blending of variables like static thrust which are basically only important for slow speed maneuvering (electric motors tend to spin larger props slower, and don't have a peaky power curve, so more thrust at slow speed). That said, Torqeedo makes the same exact lie so I guess they have to match their marketing. But point still is that you will lose a race to a person with a real 9.9
I hear what you're saying. First time users of many of these small electric outboards really notice the initial torque compared to a gas motor - but also really notice the lower top end speed. In addition these motors are 'more efficient' at less than top RPMs while gas motors tend to do better at full throttle (especially carbureted motors).
I just hate the run time vs weight vs price . You can get longer lasting faster speeds and less weight for a gas motor . Also on a nice relaxing day it’s great but what about in horrible weather . I hope in the future once batteries get better they will be viable but as of right now they are not worth it .
Why not get 3 spirit EVO and run trips!!! would be around 9 HP and comes with all batteries etc... Control module may be fun, but what a cool project! TRIPS on a JOHNBOAT! IN fact 5500 would get you ~ 3.5 EVO.. Splurge and run QUADS!!!
It would be a neat project - obviously some would need reverse angle props - but yeah
Why not buy what this is a copy of, the original Torqeedo 4.0 for the same price?
I am pretty sure the Torqeedo version is at least $500 more in our area.
Buy torqeddeo 4.0
I can't help but wonder how many northern boating seasons of maintenance and fuel that extra couple thousand (if you took the inexpensive battery route) would buy.
The quiet is nice, but for nearly 60 years of boating the noise hasn't been a deal breaker, but cost certainly has.
It will be interesting to see how these hold up over time.
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