Testing A Knife for Self Defense Against Multiple Opponents
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- Опубліковано 19 січ 2021
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Question for Viewers: Any good knife suggestions? (post names, not links so the filter doesn't grab it)
Esee izula, benchmade azeria, or the crkt minimalist
Spyderco Ronin 2
Cleaver for fixed blade. Combat folder...tanto blade. My EDC is Benchmade, but any tanto style or General Purpose blade that won’t close on me.
Good video
Also the gerber ghost strike
How bout a karambit ? Curious on its usefulness
Step 1: learn how to wrestle.
Step 2: learn how to wrestle, *with a knife*
ok...how many years in prison you want..learn to use the knife
kissi:)
and always stay on your feet ...
@@onedone2011 and whatever you do..just make sure your name is not greg arius...
@@onedone2011 i love you too!..where you have learned to chop feet like this?
@@dannycalugar thing is in a civil court they will question and probably have a big case against you for using a knife instead of something like a gun because now a days it’s seem as a crude weapon
Real story: a knife once saved me from a group of 20 drunk attackers. Everybody's tough until you raise a knife in your hand and yell you will fucking stab anybody coming for you
@Rip Tide yes
"Posturing" and appearing to go full psycho really does work as a legitimate way of avoiding having to hit someone who is being an arse.
I did it multiple times in the early 90's and everybody thinks you're a hyper-aggressive douchebag, but nobody gets hurt.
With cameras everywhere now, if you employ those tactics, the chances are that you're going to jail.
I once did that stunt with a broken bottle.Bluff.But i got away with it.
id never anounce i have a weapon on me
I pulled a knive twice ,the first time while being in the army and a dude woke me up by kicking me in the face while i was sleeping (we were drunk) and i pulled it out because i couldnt see and was in panick mode . And the other time i was drunk and got into a shouting match with a group of russians ,i pulled out the knive said "fuck you russians" and they just kicked it out of my hand and i walked away ... thanks again russians not only for not stabbing me to death but also for letting me walk unscathed . Never take a knife with you if you are planning to drink alcohol !
I've had three of Craigs classes. He is for real. The classes are physical. There are semi-scripted and unscripted scenarios at near full contact. Very valuable classes.
does he ever go to europe
this is what we did in LEO training. these types of scenarios.
my left ear enjoyed this review
I wish my right ear could agree with you
Literally
lmaooo ikr, then when they started playing the other audio I looked to my right
3 months and they haven't fixed it lmfaoo
I heard Craig speak and literally turned around because I thought someone was behind me lol
I was a Master at Arms in the Navy and they taught us how to hold one opponent and use them to block a second attacker.
I think if it’s two on one you just run.
I don’t get paid enough to fight two people at once.
😂
Nah you get paid to fight an army of children with guns
Man just scan my card and keep it pushing
@@suicidalcheese1979you one of those children?
The real enemy is in D.C. but yall too busy cleaning boots with your mouth to do anything about it.
That's some good training. Training without failure is useless and that training is going to push you to fail to learn.
Agreed, unlike what school teaches us were u can't fail, failing consistently is the fastest growing way to reach success. Learn what works and what doesn't, pressure test it and reevaluate your strategies and start over again and again
A failure for real and you're dead
It's also stress testing, you have to be in situations you cannot deal with to realize flaws in your technique or method. This is where many MA or SD programs fail, they don't appropriately stress test.
Sure that Krav Maga/Karate/"insert martial art here" can take down or control the body of a participant or student, they automatically submit due to the situation and don't actually resist the way an aggressor.
If you put some protective gear on, and go near full-out, many techniques simply don't work, either you can't apply them under stress, or they don't work well on a resisting opponent. Effective training looks ugly, and it seems chaotic sometimes, but the fact that the trainer here has them doing these drills shows he does actually know his shit, even if you didn't know anything about him you can tell.
I wish more martial arts circles would get into realistic training to failure. If you don't push yourself physically, in both conditioning and application, you will fail when the real situation comes along.
@@maz1702
In terms of education, no, the education system inherently teaches certain groups of people they can ONLY fail. Which is why people in these demographics don't commit to it or follow it all the way, even if they live in a country with free education.
Failure happens, but if you are failing often, your method of learning simply isn't working.
In terms of physical training, you have to train to failure to understand what you need to improve and to do so. But that is because our bodies respond to progressive overload concerning muscle strength and memory.
@@erikramaekers63 that's true, that's why it's better to fail in training than in battle
The real question: Who is that handsome fellow in the Metallica T-shirt?
It was great meeting you, Mike. I'm not sure why they let me in, but I'm glad they did. I learned a ton from all of the talent there. You gave me some great tips on striking while exiting the clinch.
Maybe next time I'll be able to finish the evolution.
Everybody else, train with Craig: you'll be sore, but you won't be sorry!
Be safe, train hard!
Great meeting you too!
Actually had an interesting lesson about knives in karate.
Our teacher told us to put on a white shirt and then the other person was given a marker. Then our teacher just told us to "do what you can, but don't get hit by the marker"
The shirt definitely didn't stay white on anyone... But it was a great learning experience that you wouldn't get away clean against someone with a marker (even less against someone with a knife) :D
Try getting an inexperienced person doing that with a boxer who is actually trying to hit them hard.
They will only rarely "mark" the boxer and as soon as the hitting starts they won't be able to do anything at all.
The same would happen if the boxer only hits gently.
@@mrx2586 he's still going to get marked up.
@@MovieGuy666 no chance.
I certainly could not mark up a well trained boxer and I have had training myself
@@MovieGuy666 you are correct. that "well trained" boxer hasnt been tagged by a knife. he sticks his hand out. doesnt matter how fast and the knife even touches it its getting cut bad. Its just reality. Sounds like a lot of people here dont really understand how devastating a knife is. You dont simply spar against it. you dont box against it and youre dumb as fuck if you try to wrestle against it. you simple try to stay out of range.
@@mrx2586 see the problem with your logic is that it takes a disciplined person to train regularly to even get to a level like that to perfectly evade a knife in close combat.
Thugs don't have discipline, that's why they're thugs and are robbing/attacking people. Violent crime is a crime based on *opportunity*, these aren't the crimes of people skilled with their hands/feet/blade
I appreciate Mike's humility and reflections. I wish I could take seminars with him and the knife instructor. They're real af
“I dont think ive ever cut a person with this one” this one?
I’ve cut a person with a few of my knives. Never on purpose, and always myself, but they did cut a person.
Knife people are my favourite type of people.
I gotta say, I prefer gun people. I love both though. I just feel like knife people have way more mall ninja dorks
I like both guns and knives. I am proficient with both guns and knives as well as hand to hand combat( traditional Okinawan karate and kobudo)
@@ElessarEstel 1000 percent 😂
@@ElessarEstelI’m a knife guy & Glock guy I agree with you
Ok. I'll admit it. I've commented in prevoius videos "you could take on multiple opponents with a knife". Seeing this I understand how it could get a lot harder than I thought it was. I see your point now 100%. Awesome video. That dude looks like a great teacher to work with.
yeah its pretty hard when the knife is rubber and does no damage to the person. A knife does more damage than most bullets do. YOu can definitely take out multiple opponents with a knife. as long as you arent cornered. and good thing stabbing somebody usually gets the mto back off for a second which leaves you not exactly cornered. THese guys are fighting from a BJJ perspective. not the perspective of somebody actually suffering organ damage and exsanguination. Its a sham.
Woah there nuance Nancy. You're not supposed to do that on the interwebz
I agree. Libre Fighting has a video on knife against multiple attackers. Problem is you can’t get fixated on one opponent against multiple.
Take key targets and keep moving. Start slicing Achilles tendons and watch Em flop like a fish.
Knife is a deterrent against unarmed attackers not meant to actually hold up against a group of people absolutely determined to kill you even bybrisking their health. But as deterrents they work well against unarmed folk. In real life nobody attacks a knife holder if unarmed they have saved my life by deterring people from attacking me
Did I just watch an Avengers movie? Lotta names in that room.
Bro. I was in this class. I showed up, and it's like "Every bad mofo from UA-cam, some super secret super squirrels, and oh yeah me who hangs freaking drywall."
Lol jamoni1 yeah this was a badass weekend.
People be like: "you dont need wrestling to use a knife?" well tell that to the European Knights and the Japanese Samurais 😂 Great Vid as always
Bro a sharp knife is the most deadly weapon in close combat. Wrestling helps defending it, but make no mistake, in a self defense situation where the defender wields a sharp knife, it's the attacker who desperately needs wrestling. With a knife you can kill someone just by spazzing out in melee range
@@jansettler4828 whilst what you said is true, imagine someone competent at wrestling and using a knife. That's my point 😂 people say you don't need any skills just swing the knife. Whilst a maniac swinging a knife is scary, imagine a trained maniac with a knife. Knights and Samurais all had weapons and also learnt grappling and wrestling. That was my point and that is the point in the video too
I did a little bit of hema and my traditional judo surprisingly was deviating. My friends told me that we will keep it off the ground and no wrestling cause I always went for a take down and would just go into half sword so I can still stab at that range 😂😂😂
@@bowensaver2326 there is a beauty in sword duels. But when it came to killing a fully armoured soldier whether one on one or in battle, if you didn't have a big weapon like a pole arm or a warhammer (or even using your sword and hitting them with the cross guard), then your best bet would be to wrestle them down and stab them in the gaps.
You would think that it’s obvious right? Knife is a short range weapon. What do ppl instinctively do at short range? They grab you. Of course you need wrestling. Furthermore knife doesn’t often incapacitate immediately. Very often the person who is stabbed can fight on for minutes. If he is bigger, stronger or more capable at wrestling, he could very well pin and knock you out, disarm or even worse get your knife to stab you.
A claymore is very efective in beheading attackers, after their head is unaveilable they will not be able to move
NO SHIT
+15 chaos zweihander is better
That some science right there!
So you mean that when im beheaded i wont be able to attack!? Thats crazy bro
@@Kali-8 Obviously this rule does not apply to chickens...so be careful with chickens, they can still run around.
You ever seen self defense with a scarf? I’d love to see you break that down
check out dan inosanto at the smithsonian, he demonstrates with a fillipino scarf called a "barong" i think they call it, really interesting
Or a belt or jacket or smth
@@PBas-qq4uh a sarong,a barong is a leaf shaped sword-machete
@@junichiroyamashita Ah ok I couldn't quite hear how he pronounced it bad sound quality, it was a long scarf that drapes down to the hip, he says its traditional dress, might begin with an M
@@PBas-qq4uh barong ? i thought sarong is the term ?
when using a knife, self-defense turns into assault really quickly
ok ill say it here, if you and your friends try to rob me, i will assault you. and youll be lucky to survive it
@@monkmoto1887 easy there ITG
It kinda depends on the context tho. Using a knife to defend against 2 3 unarmed guys ? Yea, it's an assault alright. But using a knife to defend against guys with long stick, machetes or firearm ? It's justifiable
@@monkmoto1887 dam dude i just shat my pants you owe me new underwear
@@jaketheasianguy3307 How? 3 unarmed guys try rob you? i reckon pulling out a knife to defend yourself is ok
Well when i was at the door as bouncer one small guy almost killed 3 guys and it took 5 of us to stop him. 2 of guys the was in hospital for weeks, one nearly died on the spot but as fast help we got to stop the bleeding. Almost everyone of us got cuts and some of us got tendon and nerves cut. It's no joke. This was before everyone had to start using puncture protection shirts and gloves. Its not that you would die instantly on the spot but you may still die after the fight cos of massive bleeding if help isn't fast at the scene. like in minutes.
The thing about knife fights is that they don't even exist. A fight with a knife is not a fight anymore, it's a death match. People should look at a knife the same way you look at a gun, you wouldn't consider a shootout a "fight", would you?
@@DavidHernandez-dk1zs Yeah, one dies on the street and the other dies on the hospital (If they technically live long enough to get there)
@@DavidHernandez-dk1zs Exactly.
Love the knife fight story about machine gun Lee Murray. Stabbed in heart, ran into a girls car. Good looking fella so she drove him to hospital.
Why didn’t you just wrestle with him then?
Personally had to use knives to fight off people trying to jump me 3 times. While I understand why they aren't the best for self defense my knife has saved my life. Plus being 6'3", lanky, and having an extreme case of the "never stop attacking" mindset really helps.
I new a dude that fought off 3 dudes with a knife. The fact is if they have a gun bye bye but if there just jumping you. It's obviously effective.
Excellent video. Now you are discovering what the knife guys know! Wrestling is in every fight for survival perhaps. Nice work.
It’s a Mike thing.
Seriously, sounds like a really educational seminar. Humblepie is a good educator.
Best training experience I've ever had.
Testing a sword for self defense next?
Well just like the video a sword requires wrestling skills mixed with how to hold a sword in that scenario. Like I learned how to do a judo hiptoss with a sword and it worked well when I pressure tested it until I had to learn more grips for close combat with a sword
@@bowensaver2326 Lol, you don't need to know how to wrestle to use a sword, you need to know how to use a sword...
@@Meloncholymadness idk if you have done HEMA competitions where they dont allow grappling but yes you need to be able to wrestle to use a sword in situations where the your opponent is too close to use the sword how people imagine you use one... I've had back yard sword sparring with friends who also practiced hema or fencing etc. We wanted it authentic so we allowed clinching and grappling just like when two knights or samurai fought anything goes... and then ones with prior grappling experience won a lot. Look it up grappling is in traditional HEMA
@@bowensaver2326 that guy probably doesn't do anything sword related in training lmao 😂 😂
@@peachtree2579 exactly it's like telling a football player he doesn't need to be agile to play football... it doesnt seem like agility is needed to non footballers but it is 😂
Excellent stuff as always. Your channel has quickly become one of my most watched on UA-cam.
Saying a knife won't help, against multiple attackers, is a sign that the person saying it never trained properly with a blade.
you dont even need to train with a knife
U right. Also In this video they just rush him as them was immortal.
@@syrus1233 you're going to cut your fingers
I trained with Craig many years ago in one of his seminars,highly recomend him.He also showed me how effective blackjacks and saps are (specially in a close quarters situation).
That's probably why in my country batons with a weight at the end and saps are banned weapons, along with brass knuckles and push knives. Knives (including daggers) are considered weapons, but legal.
Blackjacks are hugely effective, I'd love to see more content about their use.
saps are effected. they knock people out in no time. Knives are also very very effective. Wars werent won with saps and blackjacks. but millions have died from an edged weapon and they die fast. knives are effective.
I was getting seriously irritated until Craig stepped in and then I took the hook outta my mouth. Good job.
I've taken two seminars with Craig and was following him before social media was the norm. Craig is THE expert in ECQC, not just the physical aspects but also the mental with managing unknown contacts and precursors to a fight. He has framed my mindset for self defense more than any other.
Oh I’ve been waiting for this! So glad you went and so glad you shared!
A collaboration I'm glad to see.
Craig Douglas is a funny guy, and Mike is too. Seeing these two together is a good time.
Dude walks in with a ku baton “FIGHT ME NERDS”
Loved Southnarcs stuff on the old SDF Self Defense Forums website. Sad day when it imploded, there was a lot of good discussion there.
In chile almost everybody knows how to use a knife xd it's like in our culture You don't really need to know how to fight most of these people know how to use it and not know how to fight mabey it depends on we're your from...they ll usually just stab your arm n bingo they ll fall or there arm would go to sleep
la wea es asi po, normalmente la gente despues de que se cortan en el brazo se les duerme, bacan ver otro chileno en los comentarios xd
@@SleeplessBrazilLimbo wenaa compitaa saludoss ✌️
Do people use corvos in these knife fights.
@@junichiroyamashita any type of knife...hell Even a peace of metal thats pointed and Bladed works to cause damage
Yeah in the real world a quick stab with a knife in most places other than the abdomen ends the fight in seconds. you dont wrestle. you jab him once with the knife and dance around to keep away as best as you can and let exsanguination do the work. they want to get close to grapple you just slash and then stab. There are dozens of videos on youtube where some bad ass thought he was going to start shit with a guy who had a knife. receives one quick jab backs off for a seconds or two see the blood and then just collapses. The mechanical damage a knife does is hard to comprehend especially for those not familiar with its real life usage.
If you aren't going custom, for folders there isn't anything stronger than Cold Steel. Lots of options for size and different grips of handles, and even with the hinge, like I said, you won't find a stronger folder (ESPECIALLY at that price point). If I carry fixed, I go with Kershaw or Ka-Bar. But just like a firearm, the best tool is the one you will use. Have fun buying and shelving a million knives now, and welcome to the club! Haha
I never thought I’d see the day, best crossover of all time! I’d really like to see your take on push daggers (like the one Shivworks makes) or something like the TDI Law Enforcement by Ka-Bar.
Got it.
The shivworks el niño is 🔥
That being said the tdi is for sure the blade I recommend Mr. Mike. Stay icy.
Push knifes are best for sentry takedowns, they are a problem in hand to hand as they can twist in your hand. That being said, advantage is they allow you to push past bone into the organs. Disadvantage is you cant work from the outside to inside with slashes was with a fighting knife.
Same, I got a tdi a while ago and it's by far my favorite
It was really fun and interesting to see your skill in this scenario. When you stacked the guys up it looked really good, like planned until you got taken down ofc. And the part where you showed yourself vs the guy that tried to get you on the ground. He had his work cut out for him 😂
Seeing Icy Mike on StreetBeefs years ago and now finding his YT channel has been a real treat. Always enjoyed seeing you starch Ninja Ron, but had no idea you had such badass channel.
That knife shape reminds me a lot of the ESEE Izula. They make a version with an actual handle now but mine was the skeletal frame version. Little elaborate paracord wrapping and now I'm ready to Bear Grylls the f*** out of any Amazon box that needs to go to the curb for recycling day.
The problem with seminars is the students' own lack of follow through.
Combat training requires months of weekly repetition to fix movements into your muscle memory, so that your body will instinctively react with those movements under stress without you having to think about it.
Going to a seminar is like watching a movie or a lecture.
It's fun, and you can learn new things. But if you don't follow through and regularly train what you learned that day it's just entertainment.
This is the secret of martial art$ $eminar$. It took spending too much money too many times to realize my retention when I got back to class proper (let any alone an imagined real scenario) was negligible.
Got a question for you Icy Mike. During the videos I noticed in the videos there were mixed ways of holding the knives. I saw you holding it in the ice pick grip during the grappling. And In other instances I saw the traditional forward facing grip. Question is which grip did you find worked for you? Curious because I've seen people demo both but actual use is different.
Wow you took the class awesome!! You earn so much of my respect. Even though you don’t believe in knives you still took a shot at it. And definitely the most important part is at the end when they say how hard it is and why most people don’t do it. I feel like some people have a misconception that they get an edged weapon and magically believe there are a master ninja Jedi samurai. Lol
who knew Icy Mike also has some ice cold dance moves
That's the tootsie roll
Try the cold steel voyager, it comes in a variety of blade shapes and sizes, my favorite and EDC is the XL voyager vaquero.
I like how the scenario starts off with both your hands being in use. Looks very difficult, especially the first example. Big dude went in super quick!
Craig is the man. Hope to train with him at some point. You answered a common theme is “bad assess” often have. Pressure and training will often reveal how wrong we are. Thanks for this video. Was very cool. I’m sad I don’t have anyone to train with at the moment. I can feel myself losing all my muscle memory and the isolation taking it’s toll on me. I miss training, I miss a lot of stuff right now. The worst part is I feel like my main prevention from it all is either external or internal crap like procrastination or mismanaging time. I miss training
Gwt a knife with a good grip that doesnt slip when things get wet
Absolutely, even professional soldiers of ancient times (masters of melee) used daggers as a very last resort. Otherwise they always opted for spears, clubs, or swords. When they did use it, it was a surprise weapon to kill an enemy who was on top of you. In modern times you either carry a gun,(train with said gun of course) or you take mixed martial arts(and train even more intensely for longer to make practical use)
A untrained guy with a knife will destroy any highly trained MMA guy in a heart beat. I dont think you really understand the reality of facing an edged weapon. a knife will almost always win. You cant grapple against one. you cant disarm it. you cant come with in striking distance. you can only keep out of measure. and if you dont know what the term out of measure is then you really have no clue about edged weaponry. And at close range a knife will beat a gun.
@@davidshoyt1979
If your going to tell other people that they "dont really understand the reality of facing an edged weapon" or any similar crap for god sake read their comment first and write content that actually addresses the points they have made. It is obvious that you don't know what you are talking about and that you did not even bother to read what you are replying to.
Your average person with a knife has almost no chance at all against an MMA fighter!
I've been doing full contact martial arts for 5 years and there are still people who I spar with who I can't do anything to.
If I had a knife and I tried to fight ANY unarmed MMA fighter I would have absolutely no chance at all.
I could not stab them, I could not slash them, I could not grapple with them, I could not do any sort of striking - against a MMA fighter even if I had a knife I would be unable to do anything.
It's not just MMA fighters. If I got in a fight with someone who has a history of fighting and violence I would have no chance at all. If I tried to use a knife against such a person I would drop it and be overwhelmed very very quickly and the person I tried to attack would have no injuries at all.
This would be the outcome every single time - no exceptions!
Also
A knife does not beat a gun at close range, a knife is no match for a gun it is not even a close second. You are clearly repeating crap that you have read elsewhere with absolutely no idea if it has any merit or not.
I don’t think people are going to truly appreciate this video with the true respect it deserves. Whether it’s fist fighting, knife fighting, or combat shooting, it’s always easier said than done. In the Army, we trained under stress for this reason and STILL it’s always easier said then done. But there will always be someone from the outside looking in saying “just do this or that, or it’s simple as this or that.” In shooting classes, “just double tap to the body and one in the head. No ones going to get to me.” Then when you ever ask then politely if they could do that under stress, they get offended and come at you like you asked the most unholiest of questions.
It always seams to be the ones who think that they could just "cut someone's tendons" or "stab someone in the chest" and that would stop them easily who think things like that.
Its never what they cant do.
and never what someone else can do.
I honestly enjoyed the video and I'm gonna say I was surprised to see Craig Douglas doing a collaboration. I'm not complaining I enjoyed the exchange and the experience which was shared here.
For knife defense to be effective , you actually have to 'get em' with the knife, its hard to simulate a physiological reaction to a blade in sparring.... Wrestling is underrated certainly.
When will we be seeing some of the items you bought from the Wish website?
Woah, didn't expect Craig Douglas! love that guy!
He is the man.
Aside from Craig’s own Shivworks Push Daggers and Clinch Pick (both highly effective for their purpose), the Spyderco Street Beat Lightweight is a solid option for a self defense and all-around edc fixed blade. The TOPS California Cobra Knife is also a nice option and resembles the clinch pick with the bonus feature of being double-edged. If you like an uber-concealable/reverse-grip/last-ditch knife the Benchmade SOCP dagger knives are also pretty handy.
i'd love to see them test the techniques from the book knife fighting techniques from folsom prison to see how they work in the real world
Based on medieval combat and trench warfare, a mace/hammer is the most bang for the buck. People don't feel being stabbed. They definitely feel getting dinged in the head.
In the context of medieval combat a hammer and a mace are anti-armour weapons for the battlefield. Daggers and swords were the go-to for unarmoured self defense in a civilian context.
@@heresjonny666 Good point. Those daggers had a lot better stab penetration than most folding knives.
They will feel, if the thing is big enough. Little stiletto will not hurt much thats true. Mace and hammer was effective just because of armor. You can rush a person with a mace or a stick or hammer, and it will become useless. Short blade is another story.
Nice Content Mike. Love it!
Awesome video. Jealous of you guys, you got to train in such an elite environment.
Hey Mike, Congrats on your subscriber count! I feel like yesterday it was around 150k, and now it's almost 300k. I'll be you'll be at 1 million soon!
Thanks for sticking around.
In a knife seminar I took, many years ago, the instructor emphasized that the goal was to "defang the snake".
Slicing/slashing the attackers wrist, forearm(inside or outside), back of hand, achilles tendon if you end up on the ground, are all potential fight enders. His point was to create and maintain distance, disable the opponent and run away while they try to stop the bleeding. I'm very curious as to what you think of this strategy,
Yes, cutting certain areas on the arm and leg will quickly disable the opponent. A good book backed by medical professionals about this subject is called: Contemporary Knife Targeting.
the issue is that doesn't really work when the guy you're fighting has no self preservation and just charges at you
@@Wishuponapancake yes it does. a quick jab with a knife quickly causes exsanguination. the harder they charge at you the more they bleed out. it takes just a few seconds before the blood pressure drops to levels too low for the brain to function.
@@davidshoyt1979 yeah, and in that amount of time they can stab you in the stomach 15 times, if they are motivated and fit enough etc
Thanks for sharing about this video on your experience of getting hung up on using the knife vs. defending against the takedown. We've seen the same thing -- the focus on the tool vs. the overall fight. If you only carry a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
Great stuff mike, thanks for sharing your experience
“ I don’t think I’ve cut a person with this one”. Wait what
what
Craig Douglas and Icy Mike training together with the Fit to Fight Crew!? Is it my birthday today!?
Felt like mine.
Oh shit! Shivworks in the house baby! Love those guys
4:06 Welp, now we know Mike has stabbed someone. Just not with that knife.
Here’s why knifes are awful for self defense. You can easily kill Your attacker
thats the point lol
@@goobsmcbewbs3973
Yeah, but if you kill your attacker, you can easily get sued by their family and friends
@@hypnoticskull6342 ur right fucking criminals have more rights than we do as defenders
@@hypnoticskull6342that one of the possible costsof saving your own life, even when you win you lose even if you are in the right and dont have good self defense insurance
I use an Izula-II. It's blade shape isn't as ideal for self-defense, but it makes a vastly better and more useful EDC than most strictly self-defense oriented knives - especially if you are outdoors - though I try to reserve the edge and use a pocket knife for boxes. Plus the blade length and specs make it legal for concealed carry in most states and areas, so legality is usually not an issue.
I was hoping you’d end up here at some stage icymike 💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽 review the clinchpick please
I’ve always thought like this...inside 12ft and they have a gun, run at them. Inside of 20ft and they have a knife...run away. Run away like Forrest Gump.
If gun is not pulled yet maybe.
@@lordoffaiyum9727 right, never if they have the draw. I should have clarified that. Good call.
@@Todd66 at that point pray they are untrained and unpracticed lol.
Is that farting noises I'm hearing in the start of video?🤣
Spicy Mike
Get the defensive folder on Warrior Poet. You'll love it! It's a bit pricey, but you can see the EDC potential when looking at it. Great video! Love all the content that you put out there.
You looked good out there. My unarmed combat/ edged weapons training looked a little different, but I have an extensive background in combatives, MMA, H2H etc. My knife isn't fancy, it's a Smith & Wesson H.R.T. The reason I like it is the grip is rubber, fairly ergonomic, with a good spot for your thumb when thrusting. The blade is long enough to reach vital organs and small enough to slip between the intercostal space between ribs. It's secure in its scabbard, but easily removed if needed, if I found myself in that kind of trouble.
It's not as easy to carry as some of the smaller knives, but IWB, at 3 o'clock (I'm a left handed shooter) 9 o'clock, 5:30 or 6:30, it rides pretty well.
Spoken like a guy that’s never been in a real street fight. A knife saved my life when I was attacked by a whole street. Just had to cut one guy the rest ran.
Of course all the martial arts I’ve taken very rarely have any of the so called experts ever been in a knife fight. Not that they aren’t good but real life is very different. Even in the military you take out the right person everyone else loses their will. It’s all about picking the right person.
Training with gear is important for cardio, but it’s not the same as a live blade wanna see the difference use a metal trainer but tell the person it’s sharp see how much wrestling they do.
This training shows jujitsu is good but going to the ground in my city you will die. That has always been my hang up about BJJ , so I took kav maga , then I couldn’t find a gym when I moved to Florida after I healed up from a home invasion. I had a broken arm an ribs so I was looking for something that made me deadly with both hand I found kali, Jkd, Arnis. Trained in all three ever since. So far that is the most like the violence I’ve encountered in real life.
Good advice right there.
They’ll do a lot of wrestling.
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Who are these people who keep coming same energy after being stabbed in the back and neck like these dudes do? Sure it looks like you need wrestling. Because they are ignoring the training knife. Make it a REAL blade. A kukri or a machete and see how many people ignore it.
Plenty of folks have been killed by non wrestling dudes with knives. Like OJ’s ex wife and boyfriend. Like cops who had GUNS.
Exactly, the psychology of being cut open or seeing someone fileted is not being factored in here. While you can't "bank" on it, it is a very real factor in a fight. This whole "drill' seems impractical. The "opponents" here are not concerned about the "knife" as most real people would be. Granted your attackers could be crazy or hopped up on some drug which makes them like maniacs and one should be prepared for that, but even maniacs can't fight very well when you stab or slash their eyes (like many of the hits I saw in the "fight" would have) or been stabbed 20 times by 4" or longer blade in the ribs and lungs. In this "drill" they just ignore the massive damage they would be taking (not to mention blood loss) and keep going back for more.
You’d all be surprised. Most people never even see the knife or realize they’re being slashed or stabbed in the moment. They don’t weaken or slow until their final moments. They just collapse.
You just dont seem to get, that a bunch of martial arts guys doing sparring is not a depiction of reality. People (rare exceptions exist) wont just go complete berserk on you for no reason with no consideration for their own safety. Your fight vs 2 would at the latest have been over an 7:13, where you got solid knife hits to both their faces. You got several more good hits. 8:27. Game over. 8:57. Stabs to face and throat. Game over. In fact, it would would never have come that far, since a real fight almost always starts with a verbal confrontation (definetly not in a wrestling position). You would have had plenty of time to draw prior. And no sane unarmed person would assault you weilding a knife in the real world (again, mentally ill people do exist), unless you went around urinating on their mothers graves or did provoke them to blind rage in some other way. Self preservation and shock are things that exist.
Real world self defense and your martial arts hobby just arent the same thing. If you understood that you could draw much more from the latter for the first...
And the escalating tough guy know-it-all attitude doesnt help to overlook that.
It is interesting that no one wants to reply to your comment. Almost everything that I'm seeing in this video is "fighting" rather than self- defense. I've never seen criminals attack by grappling their victim to the ground but I have seen fights in bars and clubs where this does happen. In my opinion, self-defense needs to be based on what a normal (weaker) person would do, rather than what an "Ultimate Warrior" would do.
@@seppukusushi2848 see Nick drossos UA-cam channel. Way more practical than this crap from someone who actually fought in street fights.
I recommend a fixed blade such as something from Top's. I also recommend a folder such as a yojimbo 2.
The yojimbo with a deep carry clip is concealable , has a handle that can be used and wharncliff blade. Remember, a convict could use a toothbrush and be effective. Imagine you, as a martial arts expert.
welcome to the custom knife game. we always like to get another guy hooked 🤣. If I knew what style you had in mind I could personally help or point you in the direction of some killer makers
If it's the best grappling experience you've ever had how about you go to Craig's classes instead of that once in a time bjj class?
Knives have been proven as effective weapons over thousands of years, probably even hundreds of thousands in some shape or form.
Ok?
@@hard2hurt ok!
For real I never meet anyone crazy enought to attack a man with a knife.
@@lefty1188 Exactly, risk of serious injury or death is very high.
@Nicholas Davis Your comment is very ignorant. You are talking about people that were trained and equipped specifically to fight in close quarter, usually armored. If you don't know the rules of their game, they would destroy you. Knights started training very early, as a small child. Ok, they would probably lose in the modern octagon in hand-to-hand combat, but if weapon+armor is involved - my money is totally on historic warriors.
You are the weapon, the defense and the controller of various outcomes!! The knife can bring you danger ,help or death!! Depending on circumstance!! Oh yeah I'm the guy from woffords way martial arts
I legit thought this'd be the hammer technique video when i got the notification
Testing a wooden stick in grappling would be more honest title (:
Man Mike what are these professional ass edits when u sitting in your house, you look like a pro YOUUUTUBER rn
Well...
Do you know how to stop a frenzied stabbing motion knife attack I have looked into a lot of fighting systems and have not find any that can?
Question, What is your opinion on larger knives? Things like bowies and stuff like that. Since those are different compared to fighting with a smaller knife.
Mike I can really see your channel getting big in the mma world, keep it up man. Maybe try to start doing watch parties for mma events, I bet Sensei Seth would be down to do one.
This channel deserves so much more views it's almost criminal how few views it gets
I mean... we do 1.5mil a month lol...
What an outstanding testament to your journey as an instructor to show your journey as a student 👏 👍 🙌.....really want to make it down to train with you.
Great video. I’m probably guilty of doing some rubber knife training now and then and overestimating how effective I’ll be with a blade
There are a number of comments that always come up in response to any video/post/question regarding knives - many of which are wrong or misunderstood and always seam to come up even if they are in no way relevant to the question being asked.
This shows that MANY people grossly overestimate the effectiveness of a knife as a weapon.
This is like my old non-traditional Aikido group's randori...on steroids. Great stuff!
Would love to hear your thoughts on " libre" been a student for some time now. Love ur videos and how you keep it real. As far as my edc knife its just a 6$ victornox fruit knife. Cheap , very effective great knives.
You should put Craig Douglas or shivworks in The title of this video. I watch most of your videos but almost skipped this one and then when craig came on screen I totally fan Boyed out. I’m taking ECQC in Vermont this may.l super excited.
knife suggestions? for defense, something double edged so you can use the back cut. if you cut people, they keep on fighting. you have to puncture the" goodie box" (heart/lungs) like a hunter does so they go down quickly.
I just bought a Seax knife off of Amazon that is a total of 15 in, 10 inch blade, I'd like to see someone body slam me when this blade is in between your ribs, it has a Rockwell of 50 to 55 my cousin said it was basically a lawn mower blade 🤣
Not the "Tootsie Roll"!🤣👌 I agree that when most people hold a weapon, the majority of their attention is on the weapon that they are holding and they expect you to do the same. This can be a mistake against someone who isn't afraid of the weapon.
The training looks outstanding and extremely realistic. Starting from a clinch position makes it even more difficult to use the first attacker as a shield, lining people up is much easier if you get the upper hand from the beginning. Nothing about a street fight is easy, pretty, or without injuries. I agree that anyone that's serious about personal protection should take this gentleman's course, it looks great! If striking were allowed (with boxing gloves) from the clinch position, that could possibly give someone a split second to loosen the grip of the first attacker.
Thank you for the video!
This is cool to see! I did a few sessions where we grappled, wrestled, and used a token knife for part - nothing like this! I prefer the Rondel Dagger - it feels like it’s more of a finisher, but I’ve never done any cross-over knife and dagger. 🗡🤪
I have the very fancy Clinch Pick made by Shivworks and Bantang blades. I train with it everyday with a trainer and I carry it everywhere. I also carry a Yojimbo 2 folder from Spyderco, also train with it everyday as well with a trainer. I'm retired Army so I spend most of my time training with mostly my close friends and family exclusively.
I don't know what to recommend, I usually like very light knives like my edc Spyderco Manix (it's a folder) it indexes well for me but I don't know what your preference are and what indexes well for you.
A very good EDC tool and combat knife in my opinion is the Fandabi Dubh made by Fandabi Dozi Wilderness Adventures. You can find the link easy in his youtube channel and also on google. The creator is not only a survival outdoor bushcraft expert, but the knife was also designed basing on several historical scottish knifes, which were meant for combat. Personally, being a martial Arts instructor myself, though focussing on the historical use of daggers and knives in Scotland, I really love the Fandabi Dubh.
I personally carry the Gerber Principle. The rubber overmold is really grippy and the mounting options of the sheath are plentiful, so that I can almost always find a spot for it.
The Tops M1 Midgett. I wrote a much longer comment, but I guess it didn't go through. I like your channel very much, but am new to it. Thanks.
Hey Mike, got a question/video suggestion. How would self defense change when you have a feisty medium sized dog with you? Also, I bring around an extra leash with a heavy Carabiner at the end to defend myself when I pass a sketchy neighborhood. Is this a good self defense weapon? Thanks man, love your vids
Great video + very informative 👍