I wish they had done more to separate themselves from SC2 thematically. However, I do think they've done a good job of improving upon some of the aspects of SC2 that deter people, especially more casual players, from playing it. Two of the main ones for me being 1. Very high lethality and 2. A big emphasis on economy harassment. Being able to lose your army or worker line in just a moment of inattention can make the game stressful and frustrating, and it's one of the reasons I find myself always coming back to WC3 but not SC2, despite it being a great game in its own right
However this is also what makes the game boring sadly This "most helpful review" summarizes why that is in a pretty clear and concise manner: Germican Posted August 3rd (37 people found this review helpful) "Remember the sound of Siege engines blowing Zerglings into bits in one shot? Remember Banelings dissolving entire armies of marines in seconds? Remember how units were clearly strong for certain things and weak for others? Stormgate so far seems to have toned everything down to such a neutral level that nothing feels good. Nothing actually excels at anything in a glorious manner and therefore no rock paper scissor mechanics actually show. Its all just so bland. They thought "If everything is good against everything, new players can't make mistakes and will therefore be happier with themselves and the game". I think in the end this just makes it so much harder to learn how to play correctly. Units just dont feel nor look a way that intuitively explains their role" I think the only exception is the medic because that unit is pretty self explanatory. That isn't the whole review, but I got the important stuff from it.
@@ZverseZI think this just shows there isn't a single game for everyone, warcraft 3 doesn't have high lethality, but I find it far more interesting to watch than starcraft 2 Wc3 doesn't have anything that hard counters units like sc2
@@IJJusion But stormgate isn't very similar (gameplay wise) to Warcraft 3 either. In WC3, battles last significantly longer than in Stormgate, and this makes spells useful in battle. In WC3, units kind of do directly counter other units. Every unit has a different armor type "light" "medium" "heavy", and each armor type has a weakness to certain units. This directly makes some units stronger than others. On top of this each unit has vastly different spells, buffs and debuffs that can counter eachother. Can't say the same for Stormgate. It's like they made Starcraft/Wacraft gameplay, but nothing is strong or weak against other units. Vanguard buildings look like Starcraft, but the terrain looks like Warcraft/Overwatch, and the infernals look like Warcraft. It's post apocalyptic, demons everywhere, but it has a sleek modern look, and all the units look like plastic toys It's easy for new players, but boring to play Its sound design is heavily inspired by Starcraft, but starcraft sound design doesn't fit in a fantasy setting. In conclusion, this has nothing to do with the game not being for everyone. The issue at hand is that this game is actually built for no one. This game won't pick a lane, and is getting pulled apart trying to be 2 things at once.
Exactly most UA-camrs and people who not even play dont understand this sc1 is my favorite rts beside wc3 and thats because it allows you a little breathing room you have to be a fan of sc1 to o appreciate this game
I think the most common praise for this game is something like "the engine is pretty good". Which is fine but we don't want to play an engine, we want to play a fun game. Feels like stormgate is still missing its "soul". The gameplay doesn't seem cool, the campaign is fairly lackluster, and the graphics are uninspired. There's nothing here that makes me want to play this over other games. Hopefully they can improve in a year.
Honestly, I think you undervalue the importance of the engine in an RTS game. It is a make or break. If the game doesn't feel responsive, it doesn't matter how well it does everything else, you will not have fun playing
Indeed, FGS seem to be utterly clueless and bankrupt when it comes to ideas, coolness, narratives. A bunch of coders with no inspiration or vision. Predicted it the first time I saw it, in June 2022. - Adûnâi
I agree about the coolness and the story. After watching Grant first 3 missions I think the game will be ok to play but damn I really wish they didnt choose this stupid artstyle. Imagine however the modding potential with this engine. Also imagine if they hire really good writers.... I really hope this potential will be used. regrading the game 1. buildings need to be bigger with more hp and kinda look less flat. 2. we need bigger units. xample compare thor to a zergling. here everything kinda looks the smae size. 3. vanguard medic are lame and fat 4. creep camps..... I dont like them. do the SC2 zones instead 5. I want strong insipring male protagonist. Tychus, Raynor or even the spectre one/forgot his name/ type of char.
@@RancorSnp I do agree that a good engine is critical to making a fun game. I just mean to say its not enough. I think for most people there needs to be more there than it just being responsive.
I want storm gate to do well, i just don't think it's there yet. They have a long road ahead but I'm hopeful they really take a long hard look at their game and take people's feedback into consideration. As someone that others wc3 style to sc2, I was immediately disappointed that gameplay was closer to sc2 than wc3. The art style is a popular art style, so it doesn't speak to me, but i can see it being fine in the long run. The sounds design is rough, both balancing and unit stuff just isn't there yet. Thanks for your thoughts grubby. Fingers crossed they make some serious changes and get more community support.
@@AzureaGG_ 90% of the criticisms are not though, it's useless objects with no job or education misunderstanding what "early access" means. You must be one of them lol, you tried though I'm proud of you! I accept that you're a part of society, but your kind shouldn't speak in public it's embarrassing :)
Why not both in one game tho; tech, magic,... bio, psychic/espers, etc. I mean creativity is key, we'll just have the devs worry about the mechanics and balance 😅
Oof. Not only do the units and buildings look scarily much like SC2, the terran music also sounds very similar and they even copied whole unit lines: "In the rear, with the gear". I'm not impressed. I hope the campaign will be good, but I doubt it will even come close to the quality of SC2's campaign.
@@saitama741 Yes true. Its really sad, they have so many parts of the campaign taken basically straight from wc3 and starcraft. So much of it just gave me flash backs to warcraft 3 First mission there is a slaver taking villagers.. The main character is driven by revenge, chasing a malganus around killing him with frostmorne it even speaks to her.. Really sad. And they expect you to pay £10 for 3 missions.. I really really hope the turn this around.
I'll be honest... So far, not impressed with what I see. The self proclaimed "next gen RTS" is mashup of 22 year old Warcraft 3 and 14 year old StarCraft 2, with very little apparent innovation... And it still manages to look worse than a 14 year old StarCraft 2. That is... not encouraging. And campaign presentation was not exactly stellar - feeling like a carbon copy of Warcraft 3 Human campaign. And the graphics style... eh... it feels, for lack of a better word... reforged. This feels like the situation with FPS games back in the mid 2000s and early 2010s. Remember? When every FPS series tried to be another modern military shooter? To snatch some of that "call of duty crowd"? We saw the same thing with MOBAs, with Battle Royales, Hero Shooters, Looter and Extraction Shooters. At this stage at least, it looks like another copy cat with very little own identity. But... why choose a copycat if original is still there? Unless copycat is a MASSIVE jump in quality or does truly revolutionary and great things... there is no reason. So far it looks like another RTS failure in the making - yet another game trying to be "the next XYZ", instead of being its own thing.
Sc2 and WC3 are dead games that is why Storm Gate is a valid choice. You complain about not inovsting but what inovație when this is one of the first major RTS titels în OVER 12 YEARS. Honestly if you dont like it it is a you problem but jeep in mind that if you dont support this flawed yet honest atempt at bringing the gen back than it never will. You will just play SC2 at old age while your nefews will ask what even is an RTS
@@radudancoroian5169 SC2 sure is dead with ~100k active players daily the last time I checked. Blizzard's playerbase can only be measured by 3rd party, so it is not 100% reliable, and considering that AoE2 has roughly 18-20k players active daily, in the worst case scenario I'd put SC2 at around twice that number AT LEAST - considering that even notoriously terrible Overwatch 2 manages 40k players ON STEAM, not to mention Battle Net - suddenly 100k player SC2 claim sounds actually believable. "What to innovate"? - literally ANYTHING. If SC2 and WC3 are dead as you claim - releasing a game this similar to them is dumb. Because you are trying to revive a dead formula that run itself to the ground. If they are not dead, as I claim, releasing the copy cat is dumb, because they are trying to squeeze themselves into the same niche that already exists and is taken. Almost every RTS released in recent years OR announced and waiting for release is basically always a bloody copy of Command and Conquer, Age of Empires, Starcraft, Warcraft and maybe occasionally Company of Heroes (as we've seen with Iron Harvest) - and virtually none of them try anything new beyond occasional gimmick.
@@hideshisface1886 it matters not there are still SC2 players out there, in a few years they wont be anyomre. The game no longer recieves any meaningfull updates nor any content. Looking from this angle its a dead game that can only go down from here. The overall rts gen have been on the decline as people's atention spam has decreese over the yeras. Naturally that means rts are a nieche game gen with a dedicated player base that will support this type of games if targeted corectly right? WRONG. Rts players reject anything that isnt SC2 WC3 or AE, and when new games try to replicate them (cause this is the only way to have any type of traction) guess what, they reject it yet again because is "not inovative". Pick one, do you want new life into the genra or do you want to stick with the old formula. Well, you dont know the answer nor the rts die-hards know the answer so you are sticking with old dying games rather than try to participate in something new. This one as well, it seems because the rts fandom doesnt know its priorities (and are nostalgia struck as well) Storm Gate did not stand any chance from the start.
@@radudancoroian5169 First of - paragraphs, mate. Use them, love them. "it matters not there are still SC2 players out there, in a few years they wont be anyomre." - Except it does matter. If there are plentiful players and servers are not shut down, the game isn't dead. Hell, I know of at least one RTS that should be dead, yet isn't. In fact, it is in better state than it ever was all thanks to community. Supreme Commander: Forged Alliance - it is a small community, sure. BUT for a game where all the official servers are DEAD and community had to make mods to make the game even playable in multiplayer again? It is a miracle that it works AND that is... GROWING. Slowly, but it is. You say RTS players reject anything that isn't SC or WC3 or AoE... any examples of anything innovative from recent years that also wasn't terminally flawed? I honestly can't think of anything. And by innovation I mean something more than a gimmick mechanic or a game mode. I kept saying this for a very long time now - RTS genre needs a revolution - something akin to Doom 2016 to revitalise it. Something to make it cool again and break out of the mould of never-ending copycat titles. Another thing that kills the new RTS games is permanent overfocus on competitive scene - like it or not, this is what kills these games - because majority of players do not touch on RTS multiplayer modes in any meaningful capacity - the barrier of entry is just too high - and there is also expectations management - when newcomers expect strategy, but instead the requirement is monkey reflexes with 3 billion actions per minute.
@@hideshisface1886 as long as the game no longer recieves content from the developers and has no direction the game IS dead. There has been small titels over the years of people trying to make rts games and always the first complaint is that it is not SC2, like there is no insentive for anybody to try to do anything. Yeah competition have also killed the rts indeed.
I have taken a big break from rts and stuff in general since the first big kickstarter alpha, I’m actually enjoying the art style in game (if it’s like 80% of the way to the final product) it’s the visuals everywhere else I’m iffy.
Love the gameplay (1v1). But the art design is abysmal. I can't believe they released single player missions in the state it's in. Main character Amara is annoying and her face/body look way off.
@@ixirion It's their retarded marketing strategy. They know that most mainstream people prefer cartoony designs. At the same time, they are crapping on their most loyal fans, which universally would want something darker and more mature.
@@radudancoroian5169 yeah. I guess the fact majority of players dont like it means they dont have a proper taste in art but you do.... XDDD its lame. its low quality. its not even cool. its like Roblox strategy I played Homeword deserts of Kharak. Thats 8 year old game. its just way more epic
@@ixirion is not a majority, is a loud minority that dont even understand Graphics. Is literally the only rts with this art style, there is nothing wrong with it. Besides sc2 most rts dont even have Graphics, as old games they only have UVs slaped on like 6 polygons. Is mind numingly stupid to say others are better in that departament. AOM retold also went for style, are you going to shit on that one to?
This is the first I'm learning of Mechabellum, but it looks pretty darn good. But man it's jarring coming back to watching Stormgate afterwards lol. Painful on the eyes.
@@allanshpeley4284 I've been playing Mechabellum a lot recently. It's really fun. You play games in under 20 minutes. The units are different and interesting. It's tactical and strategic. Overall, it clearly has a vision and it's nailing it.
Keyboard is reverberating, I think that's the word. feels a little bit extra bass heavy today. the rest is fine, just needed a slightly lower volume for this one :) Always love to hear your honest critiques and perspective on this game. I'm still a bit on the fence with trying it. I did enjoy battle aces so maybe it's up my alley.
Feels like stormgate is mssing something, the best way to describe it is it looks like its missing its soul. The gameplay looks responsive but the whole game just looks generic to me...
Wow, this looks much improved from its previous showing. Units are readable, buildings standout against the background, and visuals are a lot more consistent and coherent. Unit pathfinding seems well-designed, units in general look balanced, and the fights look fun. Unfortunately, well-designed or not, this game will have an uphill battle since RTS games just don't have the audience they used to, and the audience they do have all want to play games that are decades old at this point.
idk something that always comes to my mind is why they keep the same pattern for the races and units. I mean it's a new game, why are we always able to point the "terran", "zerg" and "protoss"?
Hard to please? All we asked for was a good campaign, thats what all the hardcore RTS fans ask for in the comment sections! Id still prefer SC1 made in 1998 just because of the campaign
Nah its hard to make modern RTS games because a lot of factors has to be done right or else it will be horrendous to even play. If you fail the basic fundamentals, it will also affect its other aspects. Making it like a domino effect.
I dont think its creatively bankrupt. Sure the factions show some similarities to other games like that turret to cnc and genereally a lot of sc2 influence, but there is a lot of interesting new concepts here. For excample these neutral objectives that buff your units and also these small pickups that heal in the map. Also the tree mechanics are fairly unique. I think the Vanguard are the most "vanilla" race, but celestial for excample is really crazy, as it has a ton of new mechanics like your moving main structure which you can rush with and a big emphasis on energy and so on... Dont misread me here, I am not really a fan of the game, as it still has a ton of issues. The economy model is a bit weird for excample... There are oddly enougth some performance issues for me which I dont understand as I thought the grafics were supposed to give everyone a good performance regardless of setup... And so on.
@@Joyexer Moving main base...Night Elves from Warcraft 3. To me Stormgate feels like a child between SC2 and War3 but it's an unwanted child, thus it brings similarities from both but lacks the finesse of either game.
I play these games for the campaign, casual fun pvp and mostly... The custom games. That's when this game becomes something but it needs to have character.
oof that position at 8:45 was brutal, it looks like the enemy still had the healing fountain but had trapped you in that area so you had to fight his units with constant health regeneration while you got none with no way out, thats rough
I absolutely loathe the art style but the gameplay itself is the most fun I've had since wc3, its a lot more streamlined and almost...dare I say..comfortable? idk something about the small quality of life stuff like B.O.B.s constructing stuff without having to select them individually etc.
I was so excited when I first saw Frost Giant studios, coming to say they’re making an rts with an absolutely stacked development team. But once I saw that first bit pf gameplay I knew it was a let down. They flopped it hard.
$35M from investors and $6M between Kickstarter, Indiegogo and StartEngine (yes they sold unmonetizable shares in their company to desperate, financially illiterate supporters). Oh and they're running out of money.
I've actually been playing the game and I've had a ton of fun. It'll be free to play on Aug13, highly recommend checking it out. It's more fun to play than to watch! Anyone saying it looks slow hasnt been on the recieving end of a Kri rush yet, gets the adrenaline flowing for sure!
@@ixirion Only the first part of campaign is free. They are a small studio so they got to make money somehow. But you can try it and see if you like it before you buy! The free levels are basically a tutorial, I've heard the later missions are much more interesting but haven't played them. I plan on buying the campaign after 1.0 release to get the fully polished experience it's a bit rough atm.
Improvements to writing and story don't appear to be on the cards given what the devs have said, so I am kind of concerned about that. But the multi-player seems like it might be fun over time. Watching Tasteless' tournament was fun at least.
Im real disappointed the pathfinding hasn't been improved since beta, I feel that's a core part of RTS games. Also the campaign rehashed a lot of maps and the story of warcraft 3/starcraft 2. But to be fair and balance my comment, they seem to have done ranked well.
Played my first game vs celestial as vanguard. The Kre are tanky, deal tons of damage and explode on death 😅.. I had 2 bunkers a bunch of upgraded lancers and upgrades exos and didn’t stand a chance even with repair lol.. think the kre need a little taste of the balance batt
I canceled my preorder because everything about this game is just so uncreative. Sound designs is nonexistent, story is ripping off Kerrigan’s and Sylvanas’s arc. Graphics look low quality, abd the part that most annoys me is that even after spending $60 they STILL added micro transactions in the shop that weren’t included in the early access bundle. I enjoyed FNAF Security Breach more when it first came out because at LEAST it was pretty to look at.
This game just ain't it man.. I don't mean to hate, I was waiting for this game ever since it was announced but just can't even begin to understand most of the design choices. The UI itself looks like it's from a 2008 game.
@@GakisStylianos I think they mean the design that shows the mini map, selected units, ressources etc. And I agree, it takes up 25% of the screen and looks mediocre, at best.
I’ve played maybe 15 1v1 matches and at first didn’t like it but it grew on me. I feel that when they address the long list of minor things that need tweaking and maybe drop a graphical/sound effects/balance update that it’ll really be something
Yeah, I'm not a fan of the art style either, don't think I've heard a single person say they like it, wonder why they went for an OW style instead of fantasy which most other successful RTS are. So hard to tell what units are in either army, they all look the same, unless they do like an overhaul cosmetic for all units, it's going to be DOA for me. The sound still seems pretty bad, also don't like the way they have monetized it so far, I get that it's a business, but personally don't like this staggered paid release, kickstarter, supporter packs, etc, etc.
I REALLY hope that these new and upcoming RTSs, like this and Age of Mythology: Retold, Tempest Rising and Immortal: Gates of Pyre become popular and find homes with enough customers so that they can be supported for years to come
Looks terribly generic. Looks like HOTS and SC2 art style applied on a wc3 style terrain. It's not as bad as reforged graphics for visual clarity, but it does seem to lack it quite a bit. I hope they do well, but I am not expecting it.
I really don't like how they keep milking their supporters. Anything up until version 1.0 should be completely FREE for the premium kickstarter supporters who gave them 100$+ ...
This game is probably and sadly going to flop, it has the same problem as almost every MMO after WOW, it's basically something like WOW but not WOW. Game looks fine but in the end everyone will praise it for being similar to SC2 but damning it for not being SC2, while adding the same old phrase "Why should I play this when I can play SC2". Seriously, I hope to be wrong.
IMO, FG even doesn't understand the ladder guys. They think, it's all about the gameplay, while tons of people loved for ex. those cool little death animations in WC3, the fun of killing creeps, or the fun of finding cool items. In WC3 heroes had a lot of personality and a great visual style. Nobody was excited about unit compositions, it was all about hero micro. I don't know what this is. It's like SC2, but without its production values and micro, and it's WC3, but without heroes in 1v1. Calling this "next-gen", is a joke.
grey goo, stormgate, and black desert online was my idea, just to name a few, my family are investment bankers that control the world. long story short. Stormgate was my idea i came up with. because i was mad about the raven and infestor nerfs in sc2, and how Blizzard never nerfed protoss storm, so long story short I said the Blizzard balance team should make a new game and call it Stormgate etc, etc blah blah. lol and my family actually started the project behind my back as a meme. you may not believe me but this is the actually truth, it's a small world and here I am.
I am more mad about zealot. compared to SC1 its just bad unit. after adrino its even a joke. second thing I am mad about is neuro parasite... how? why? it was dark archon coolest abilty
I can’t believe I pre ordered this. I played the first two missions and then uninstalled the game. I just can’t it’s so bad. I’m excited about tempest rising and sins of a solar empire 2. This game is a hard pass for me. It’s not even remotely as good as sc2 or Warcraft 3.
I enjoyed the previous open access week (or whatever it was called) so I will probably have fun with EA too after couple weeks. However, I do wish they hired some proper artists for this, I just don't see them pulling in large number of players with this utter garbage art style. I mean they said they want to bring in casuals who are usually too intimidated by genre. Well, one thing I know about casuals is they take a quick glance at the game and if it looks unattractive they don't want to even try it. People like me will put gameplay above all the rest but it isn't how normies pick the games to play generally..
They've already had over $35mil in funding, I'm sure they hired "proper" artists. I just think the art style they went with and the execution of the style is poor
@@swimming6367 I find it hard to believe that any serious artist would think this crap style is acceptable. But maybe they're actually proper artists who also happen to have exceptionally shit taste.
My thoughts: The only reason to play it is because you don't play sc2. You may not play sc2 because it's old and has an established playerbase. So you may want to play SG because its brand new and you could play other noobs. But its soooo similar to sc2 in aesthetic broadstrokes, theme and mechanics that... most players are just sc2 players. So there is no reason to play it.
I think you will really enjoy this game. Give it a fair shot. It is like a mixture of SC2 and WC3. Hope to see you doing this game a bit once in a while. It deserves some love
*I am sorry, but Gamers are Bored of getting Nostalgia Milked by Activision Blizzard and alike.* *We want New Games that feels Fresh with innovative New ideas and New ways of Gameplay.*
the most painful thing about Stormgate has been the absolute lack of giving the game any chance for anything many people came to this game whit the mindset of hating it and if you do that ofc you are never going to like it or even find anything enjoyable about it but i bet you many of the people hating the state of this game defended the 8 years of Ark Early access. My honest opinion is the art style is good in some places bad in others the sound is nice and the voices are really good the mechanics are a lot of fun so overall this has been a positive experience for me and people i am going to ask you stop treating Stormgate as a replacement for your favorite RTS since i can tell you it will be nearly impossible to replace your favorite RTS until you play something for at least 10% of the time you have in your favorite game
I think you're very wrong, a lot of people have been waiting for the next best rts since the glory days of aoe wc3 sc2 and the rts community is so starved we want any rts game too succeed, but this is a joke $40m and we get this? Have a look at god sworn 2 dev team and it looks and plays better than it with barely any of the time these guys had to pump this game out. Its not about money when making a game though unfortunately it's about talent, dedication and love for the genre. I had such high hopes for this game but its looking like a massive cash grab £10 for 3 missions? £10 per co-op hero? Day 1 dlc my friend didnt even get when he supported this game with £200 They are really really trying to milk us..
Why every new RTS game looks worse than ones which came decades ago? Warcraft 3 has better graphics than Stormage. There are at least several projects which tries to be Planetary Annihilation, however they are all worse than Supreme Commander. They say genre is dead, but then they fail to produce any viable alternatives. It is either worse or same as it was. Still cannot find better RTS than Dawn of War to this day. I still cannot find better RTT game than Dawn of War 2. Still Supreme Commander: Forged Alliance is the best RTS for me as it puts STRATEGY into Real Time Strategy part.
Yeah, since there was no room for the units, they were kinda derping around. Thats the standard in any other rts, it would be illogical if two identical units could occupy the same space. :)
@@rafaelribeiro99 Not like that the pathfinding in this game is way off. If you right click a building with zerglings they will surround the buiilding, in this game they make it half way round the building and get stuck running around eachother, try it out. The pathfinding is really lacking which is a big big issue for an rts game.
the mechanic of this RTS smells bullshit to me, competitive wise it offers no challenge its just a knowledge/mechanic check of the game, i don't expect anything that could make it better than other RTS title who are about to hit the release in the next 2 years.
Wake me up when 2v2 & 3v3 exists. Until then, this game is DOA and everyone knows it... Did we not learn from Back 4 Blood? Naw, PVP isn't why people played L4D -brain dead devs PVP people! If that's what people loved about your game in the past, and you are making a spiritual successor, you better have PVP or you are just wasting your time.
Ugh. This is basically SC2 but shittier. I mean, the DIRECT correlations are many. They couldn't even develop/imagine new races; these are basically just reskinned SC2 races. I really wanted this game to be something, but honestly, I'm afraid it's already dead on arrival. All game developers need to wake up and stop being lazy. You don't have the have totally unique mechanics, but you NEED totally unique fluff/world thematically. These are clear SC2 rip-offs. Cash grab maybe?
My friend paid £200 for the kickstart and they didnt even give him all the day1 dlc, pretty funny huh. They said on their kickstarter "Un announced co-op heros" as a perk, but he literally has all the dlc I do and I bought it on steam for £60, atleast he's getting a nice 3d model shipped to his house... when they feel like it...
lets be real here. the game is utter garbage. as a SC2 and Aoe player, theres just no way we're going to switch to this game. played the demo a while back and left unimpressed. and same thing as the early access. sigh.
So far the feedback I've seen has been: too much like Blizzard. Not enough like Blizzard. Too much like SC2. Not enough like SC2. Too much like WC3. Not enough like WC3.
@@blutch222 Well, these people are largely Blizzard's former RTS team, so a certain amount of "like Blizzard" is to be expected either way. I, for one, would have liked to see hero units, which apparently there are not (this is the first game I ever saw btw).
SC2 has a bad game play design, in my opinion, and the game looks like it is totally based on it. SC2 killed the gerne and they make a game exactly as same as it, with a way worse art style and engine.
It's just a cashgrab for the asian teenage market, looks like a cheap mobile game with zero soul and innovation, how could they spend so many millions of dollars for this piece of crap goes beyond me
In a market of cashgrab BS frost giant is one of the few studio's that's making a game from the heart and truly cares about the community of RTS. Do a little research before you shit post. They have been responding to all the negative feedback with grace.
@@ButtersmanAnd to top it off people who spent $200+ dollars on kickstarter, still have to pay for the co op hero unit that released in early access. What?? It's like your paying more for less lmao
@@Mr-ji2im I mean... did the 200$ Kickstarter say it would come with the first coop hero? Cause that's wild if so. Nice of them to give the next one for free anyway though!
I think the developers worked on StarCraft/Warcraft and know that people would kill for a RTS sequel to either. Legally they couldn't make that. So they made a game that, yeah, is inspired by the old greats! We have StarCraft at home, lucky for us home cooking is the best!
looks like a flop honestly. i can understand if the game looked like that in alpha testing, but early access and it still looks like dumpy sc2? no thanks
I absolutely don't get the insane hate SG gets on comments and twitch chat. It's a fun game in a genre that almost never gets new releases coming from some industry veterans in it for the long run. What's not to love?...
That it doesnt really make much to differentiate itself from StarCraft and warcraft. From the artstyle to the mechanics theyre really similar which makes people wonder why would they play this instead of one of those 2 previous titles. Also the barrier of entry looks and feels really high since from the start this game was planned as an esports rts in a genre where 70% or more of the playerbase are casual PvE people not try hard go pro PvPers which was the audience they were chasing from the start. So yeah.
To a big degree, it's because the devs themselves have created some insane expectations to begin with, constantly touting their Blizzard pedigree and claiming the game would follow up and improve upon past Blizzard RTS games. When it became clear they were missing that mark by a mile, players naturally started to express some disappointment. Compare this to the development of let's say a Tempest Rising. Devs have been quietly working away and then released two awesome demos to much acclaim. Show, don't tell.
@@Mano7878 To me it's nice to play a game that is in active development and not support the awful current Blizzard. Also they have their PvE content now and a nice road map for it to continue to improve. Plus it's free to play. Given all that I really don't get the hate. I understand not liking it, or preferring older stuff or styles. But to actively post and chat against just feels weird to me.
@@quackduckpics Oh dont get me wrong i can totally get behind the idea of not wanting to play any Blizzard tittles after what the company has become and looking for an alternative. The issue Is that the PvE aspects of the game while Its there it was more of an after thought and a reaction from a bast mayority of players wanting a campaign or something alike to do for PvE. But Its just like you said, Its still in development, so It feels unfinished and unpolished and the issue with early acces Is that while youre giving yourself more time and feedback to develop the game, you only get one shot to make a good first impression for the bast mayority of people to make them want to come back in the future or continue playing through the alpha which this game sadly failed to achieve not just by the lackluster PvE and lack of costume game modes but also because Its lacking a lot of shortcuts, visual feedback and many things that other RTS games have already figured out and yet are not present here fom the start.
I wish they had done more to separate themselves from SC2 thematically. However, I do think they've done a good job of improving upon some of the aspects of SC2 that deter people, especially more casual players, from playing it. Two of the main ones for me being 1. Very high lethality and 2. A big emphasis on economy harassment. Being able to lose your army or worker line in just a moment of inattention can make the game stressful and frustrating, and it's one of the reasons I find myself always coming back to WC3 but not SC2, despite it being a great game in its own right
However this is also what makes the game boring sadly
This "most helpful review" summarizes why that is in a pretty clear and concise manner:
Germican
Posted August 3rd
(37 people found this review helpful)
"Remember the sound of Siege engines blowing Zerglings into bits in one shot?
Remember Banelings dissolving entire armies of marines in seconds?
Remember how units were clearly strong for certain things and weak for others?
Stormgate so far seems to have toned everything down to such a neutral level that nothing feels good. Nothing actually excels at anything in a glorious manner and therefore no rock paper scissor mechanics actually show. Its all just so bland. They thought "If everything is good against everything, new players can't make mistakes and will therefore be happier with themselves and the game". I think in the end this just makes it so much harder to learn how to play correctly. Units just dont feel nor look a way that intuitively explains their role"
I think the only exception is the medic because that unit is pretty self explanatory.
That isn't the whole review, but I got the important stuff from it.
@@ZverseZI think this just shows there isn't a single game for everyone, warcraft 3 doesn't have high lethality, but I find it far more interesting to watch than starcraft 2
Wc3 doesn't have anything that hard counters units like sc2
@@IJJusion But stormgate isn't very similar (gameplay wise) to Warcraft 3 either.
In WC3, battles last significantly longer than in Stormgate, and this makes spells useful in battle.
In WC3, units kind of do directly counter other units. Every unit has a different armor type "light" "medium" "heavy", and each armor type has a weakness to certain units. This directly makes some units stronger than others.
On top of this each unit has vastly different spells, buffs and debuffs that can counter eachother. Can't say the same for Stormgate.
It's like they made Starcraft/Wacraft gameplay, but nothing is strong or weak against other units.
Vanguard buildings look like Starcraft, but the terrain looks like Warcraft/Overwatch, and the infernals look like Warcraft.
It's post apocalyptic, demons everywhere, but it has a sleek modern look, and all the units look like plastic toys
It's easy for new players, but boring to play
Its sound design is heavily inspired by Starcraft, but starcraft sound design doesn't fit in a fantasy setting.
In conclusion, this has nothing to do with the game not being for everyone. The issue at hand is that this game is actually built for no one.
This game won't pick a lane, and is getting pulled apart trying to be 2 things at once.
Exactly most UA-camrs and people who not even play dont understand this sc1 is my favorite rts beside wc3 and thats because it allows you a little breathing room you have to be a fan of sc1 to o appreciate this game
Never miss the chance to kill critters like in WC3
I think the most common praise for this game is something like "the engine is pretty good". Which is fine but we don't want to play an engine, we want to play a fun game.
Feels like stormgate is still missing its "soul". The gameplay doesn't seem cool, the campaign is fairly lackluster, and the graphics are uninspired. There's nothing here that makes me want to play this over other games. Hopefully they can improve in a year.
If they're still around. The reason they released into EA now is because they need the money.
Honestly, I think you undervalue the importance of the engine in an RTS game. It is a make or break. If the game doesn't feel responsive, it doesn't matter how well it does everything else, you will not have fun playing
Indeed, FGS seem to be utterly clueless and bankrupt when it comes to ideas, coolness, narratives. A bunch of coders with no inspiration or vision. Predicted it the first time I saw it, in June 2022.
- Adûnâi
I agree about the coolness and the story. After watching Grant first 3 missions I think the game will be ok to play but damn I really wish they didnt choose this stupid artstyle.
Imagine however the modding potential with this engine. Also imagine if they hire really good writers.... I really hope this potential will be used.
regrading the game
1. buildings need to be bigger with more hp and kinda look less flat.
2. we need bigger units. xample compare thor to a zergling. here everything kinda looks the smae size.
3. vanguard medic are lame and fat
4. creep camps..... I dont like them. do the SC2 zones instead
5. I want strong insipring male protagonist. Tychus, Raynor or even the spectre one/forgot his name/ type of char.
@@RancorSnp I do agree that a good engine is critical to making a fun game. I just mean to say its not enough. I think for most people there needs to be more there than it just being responsive.
I want storm gate to do well, i just don't think it's there yet.
They have a long road ahead but I'm hopeful they really take a long hard look at their game and take people's feedback into consideration. As someone that others wc3 style to sc2, I was immediately disappointed that gameplay was closer to sc2 than wc3.
The art style is a popular art style, so it doesn't speak to me, but i can see it being fine in the long run.
The sounds design is rough, both balancing and unit stuff just isn't there yet.
Thanks for your thoughts grubby. Fingers crossed they make some serious changes and get more community support.
The game isn't out yet bro. That's what "early access" means. You ok lol?
yeah i agree this feels like some kind of early access game
@@HateradeConsumer they are fine, its called constructive feedback
@@AzureaGG_ 90% of the criticisms are not though, it's useless objects with no job or education misunderstanding what "early access" means. You must be one of them lol, you tried though I'm proud of you! I accept that you're a part of society, but your kind shouldn't speak in public it's embarrassing :)
@@HateradeConsumerBold of you to assume this game will survive until 1.0. Even the paid subbies hate it (55% on Steam). It's a disaster.
- Adûnâi
I know what we need. Mechabellum but with swords, magic and dragons.
I would play that
An asymmetric Mechabellum style game would be cool.
fantasy over sci fi anyday
Why not both in one game tho; tech, magic,... bio, psychic/espers, etc. I mean creativity is key, we'll just have the devs worry about the mechanics and balance 😅
I was thinking a Warhammer 40k license could be pretty crazy too.
Oof. Not only do the units and buildings look scarily much like SC2, the terran music also sounds very similar and they even copied whole unit lines: "In the rear, with the gear". I'm not impressed. I hope the campaign will be good, but I doubt it will even come close to the quality of SC2's campaign.
the campaign is the worst part...
@@saitama741
Yes true.
Its really sad, they have so many parts of the campaign taken basically straight from wc3 and starcraft.
So much of it just gave me flash backs to warcraft 3
First mission there is a slaver taking villagers.. The main character is driven by revenge, chasing a malganus around killing him with frostmorne it even speaks to her..
Really sad.
And they expect you to pay £10 for 3 missions..
I really really hope the turn this around.
Oh no, OP hasn't seen the campaign yet.
@@Alfie-ni7lx when I saw the healing well I thought oh so this is going to be just wc3 and sc2 copy pasted...
i'm sure you and the 3 other people in the world who give a shit about single player RTS campaigns are going to be distraught
I like the pace of the game so far , faster than wc3 slower than sc2
I'll be honest... So far, not impressed with what I see.
The self proclaimed "next gen RTS" is mashup of 22 year old Warcraft 3 and 14 year old StarCraft 2, with very little apparent innovation... And it still manages to look worse than a 14 year old StarCraft 2.
That is... not encouraging. And campaign presentation was not exactly stellar - feeling like a carbon copy of Warcraft 3 Human campaign.
And the graphics style... eh... it feels, for lack of a better word... reforged.
This feels like the situation with FPS games back in the mid 2000s and early 2010s. Remember? When every FPS series tried to be another modern military shooter? To snatch some of that "call of duty crowd"?
We saw the same thing with MOBAs, with Battle Royales, Hero Shooters, Looter and Extraction Shooters.
At this stage at least, it looks like another copy cat with very little own identity. But... why choose a copycat if original is still there? Unless copycat is a MASSIVE jump in quality or does truly revolutionary and great things... there is no reason.
So far it looks like another RTS failure in the making - yet another game trying to be "the next XYZ", instead of being its own thing.
Sc2 and WC3 are dead games that is why Storm Gate is a valid choice. You complain about not inovsting but what inovație when this is one of the first major RTS titels în OVER 12 YEARS. Honestly if you dont like it it is a you problem but jeep in mind that if you dont support this flawed yet honest atempt at bringing the gen back than it never will. You will just play SC2 at old age while your nefews will ask what even is an RTS
@@radudancoroian5169 SC2 sure is dead with ~100k active players daily the last time I checked.
Blizzard's playerbase can only be measured by 3rd party, so it is not 100% reliable, and considering that AoE2 has roughly 18-20k players active daily, in the worst case scenario I'd put SC2 at around twice that number AT LEAST - considering that even notoriously terrible Overwatch 2 manages 40k players ON STEAM, not to mention Battle Net - suddenly 100k player SC2 claim sounds actually believable.
"What to innovate"? - literally ANYTHING.
If SC2 and WC3 are dead as you claim - releasing a game this similar to them is dumb. Because you are trying to revive a dead formula that run itself to the ground.
If they are not dead, as I claim, releasing the copy cat is dumb, because they are trying to squeeze themselves into the same niche that already exists and is taken.
Almost every RTS released in recent years OR announced and waiting for release is basically always a bloody copy of Command and Conquer, Age of Empires, Starcraft, Warcraft and maybe occasionally Company of Heroes (as we've seen with Iron Harvest) - and virtually none of them try anything new beyond occasional gimmick.
@@hideshisface1886 it matters not there are still SC2 players out there, in a few years they wont be anyomre. The game no longer recieves any meaningfull updates nor any content. Looking from this angle its a dead game that can only go down from here.
The overall rts gen have been on the decline as people's atention spam has decreese over the yeras. Naturally that means rts are a nieche game gen with a dedicated player base that will support this type of games if targeted corectly right? WRONG. Rts players reject anything that isnt SC2 WC3 or AE, and when new games try to replicate them (cause this is the only way to have any type of traction) guess what, they reject it yet again because is "not inovative". Pick one, do you want new life into the genra or do you want to stick with the old formula. Well, you dont know the answer nor the rts die-hards know the answer so you are sticking with old dying games rather than try to participate in something new. This one as well, it seems because the rts fandom doesnt know its priorities (and are nostalgia struck as well) Storm Gate did not stand any chance from the start.
@@radudancoroian5169 First of - paragraphs, mate. Use them, love them.
"it matters not there are still SC2 players out there, in a few years they wont be anyomre." - Except it does matter.
If there are plentiful players and servers are not shut down, the game isn't dead.
Hell, I know of at least one RTS that should be dead, yet isn't. In fact, it is in better state than it ever was all thanks to community.
Supreme Commander: Forged Alliance - it is a small community, sure. BUT for a game where all the official servers are DEAD and community had to make mods to make the game even playable in multiplayer again? It is a miracle that it works AND that is... GROWING. Slowly, but it is.
You say RTS players reject anything that isn't SC or WC3 or AoE... any examples of anything innovative from recent years that also wasn't terminally flawed? I honestly can't think of anything.
And by innovation I mean something more than a gimmick mechanic or a game mode.
I kept saying this for a very long time now - RTS genre needs a revolution - something akin to Doom 2016 to revitalise it. Something to make it cool again and break out of the mould of never-ending copycat titles.
Another thing that kills the new RTS games is permanent overfocus on competitive scene - like it or not, this is what kills these games - because majority of players do not touch on RTS multiplayer modes in any meaningful capacity - the barrier of entry is just too high - and there is also expectations management - when newcomers expect strategy, but instead the requirement is monkey reflexes with 3 billion actions per minute.
@@hideshisface1886 as long as the game no longer recieves content from the developers and has no direction the game IS dead.
There has been small titels over the years of people trying to make rts games and always the first complaint is that it is not SC2, like there is no insentive for anybody to try to do anything.
Yeah competition have also killed the rts indeed.
I have taken a big break from rts and stuff in general since the first big kickstarter alpha, I’m actually enjoying the art style in game (if it’s like 80% of the way to the final product) it’s the visuals everywhere else I’m iffy.
As someone who likes SC and has been missing good RTS games, it was an instant buy, even if only to show the industry there is demand for this genre.
I also recommend checking out Gates of Pyre. Based on my experience during the weekend playtest, it's definitely worth your time.
StarCraft and Warcraft leave to high of a standard for others rts I feel like
Age of Empires 4 is incredibly good and nothing like either of those games in the RTS genre.
But yeah SC2 and WC3 are legendary games.
Love the gameplay (1v1). But the art design is abysmal. I can't believe they released single player missions in the state it's in. Main character Amara is annoying and her face/body look way off.
I really dont understand why they doubled down on the artstyle even after the player feedback? Sc1 looks cooler. how?
@@ixirion It's their retarded marketing strategy. They know that most mainstream people prefer cartoony designs. At the same time, they are crapping on their most loyal fans, which universally would want something darker and more mature.
There is nothing wrong the the art design. Stop larping about it
@@radudancoroian5169 yeah. I guess the fact majority of players dont like it means they dont have a proper taste in art but you do.... XDDD
its lame. its low quality. its not even cool. its like Roblox strategy
I played Homeword deserts of Kharak. Thats 8 year old game. its just way more epic
@@ixirion is not a majority, is a loud minority that dont even understand Graphics. Is literally the only rts with this art style, there is nothing wrong with it. Besides sc2 most rts dont even have Graphics, as old games they only have UVs slaped on like 6 polygons. Is mind numingly stupid to say others are better in that departament. AOM retold also went for style, are you going to shit on that one to?
Man, compare the mechanical designs in Mechabellum which he's playing a lot now to the unit designs here...the former just dumps on this lol.
This is the first I'm learning of Mechabellum, but it looks pretty darn good. But man it's jarring coming back to watching Stormgate afterwards lol. Painful on the eyes.
@@allanshpeley4284 I've been playing Mechabellum a lot recently. It's really fun. You play games in under 20 minutes. The units are different and interesting. It's tactical and strategic.
Overall, it clearly has a vision and it's nailing it.
I'd like to commend them for bringing back the hype on this genre but Gates of Pyre will be the one to solve the SC2 problem
Keyboard is reverberating, I think that's the word. feels a little bit extra bass heavy today. the rest is fine, just needed a slightly lower volume for this one :) Always love to hear your honest critiques and perspective on this game. I'm still a bit on the fence with trying it. I did enjoy battle aces so maybe it's up my alley.
I’m more interested in zerospace rn, graphics look a lot better and more interesting gameplay
I tried both and I find Stormgate more fun
prefer stormgate graphics
Feels like stormgate is mssing something, the best way to describe it is it looks like its missing its soul. The gameplay looks responsive but the whole game just looks generic to me...
Wow, this looks much improved from its previous showing. Units are readable, buildings standout against the background, and visuals are a lot more consistent and coherent. Unit pathfinding seems well-designed, units in general look balanced, and the fights look fun. Unfortunately, well-designed or not, this game will have an uphill battle since RTS games just don't have the audience they used to, and the audience they do have all want to play games that are decades old at this point.
Happy to see a revival of the genre. The feedback (to all the new games) shows that it is really difficult to please rts players though.
At the end of the day SC2 still exists
idk something that always comes to my mind is why they keep the same pattern for the races and units.
I mean it's a new game, why are we always able to point the "terran", "zerg" and "protoss"?
Correction: It's hard to please RTS players with a bad game. We're plenty passionate and supportive of good games.
Hard to please? All we asked for was a good campaign, thats what all the hardcore RTS fans ask for in the comment sections!
Id still prefer SC1 made in 1998 just because of the campaign
Nah its hard to make modern RTS games because a lot of factors has to be done right or else it will be horrendous to even play.
If you fail the basic fundamentals, it will also affect its other aspects. Making it like a domino effect.
How does SC2 from 2010 look 10x better than this slop. It's both ugly and creatively bankrupt.
Because time and tech don't make games, PEOPLE do.
I dont think its creatively bankrupt. Sure the factions show some similarities to other games like that turret to cnc and genereally a lot of sc2 influence, but there is a lot of interesting new concepts here. For excample these neutral objectives that buff your units and also these small pickups that heal in the map. Also the tree mechanics are fairly unique.
I think the Vanguard are the most "vanilla" race, but celestial for excample is really crazy, as it has a ton of new mechanics like your moving main structure which you can rush with and a big emphasis on energy and so on...
Dont misread me here, I am not really a fan of the game, as it still has a ton of issues. The economy model is a bit weird for excample... There are oddly enougth some performance issues for me which I dont understand as I thought the grafics were supposed to give everyone a good performance regardless of setup... And so on.
@@Joyexer Moving main base...Night Elves from Warcraft 3. To me Stormgate feels like a child between SC2 and War3 but it's an unwanted child, thus it brings similarities from both but lacks the finesse of either game.
@@Rougie1993 terran from sc1 could move their main base components around too
This is the same feeling with Left 4 dead 2, the best shooter when other shooters tried to come out like back 4 blood, darktide and they all flop
Cant believe game from 2003 still bested game from 2024
its not surprising, because original doom still destroys any modern fps game. Or silent hill in horror genre..
The finished game from 2003 beat the unfinished game from 2025/2026*
@@Bagginsess keep making excuses 😂😂😂
@@sheepfly how is that an excuse?
@@Bagginsess isn't a game supposed to be pretty close to done when it's in "early access"
All you need is look at that command card, and you know just how much effort they put into the game
I play these games for the campaign, casual fun pvp and mostly... The custom games. That's when this game becomes something but it needs to have character.
I would love to see Grubby play Command and Conquer Kane's Wrath, in my opinion, best (at least sci-fi style) RTS ever.
Watching high-level games of that was pretty fun too
DEI starcraft
yup
oof that position at 8:45 was brutal, it looks like the enemy still had the healing fountain but had trapped you in that area so you had to fight his units with constant health regeneration while you got none with no way out, thats rough
I absolutely loathe the art style but the gameplay itself is the most fun I've had since wc3, its a lot more streamlined and almost...dare I say..comfortable? idk something about the small quality of life stuff like B.O.B.s constructing stuff without having to select them individually etc.
I was so excited when I first saw Frost Giant studios, coming to say they’re making an rts with an absolutely stacked development team. But once I saw that first bit pf gameplay I knew it was a let down. They flopped it hard.
Probably the biggest disappointment in the RTS genre in history.
At this point I'm hoping for Age of Mythology Retold to succeed because this we're already sure won't.
Yeah, AoM is better!
the turret is literally IFV APC/ turret from red alert 2 and 3
The visuals are HORRENDOUS.
Terrain is blurry.
No they are not
Imagine crowdfunding millions and not hiring one good UI designer.
$35M from investors and $6M between Kickstarter, Indiegogo and StartEngine (yes they sold unmonetizable shares in their company to desperate, financially illiterate supporters). Oh and they're running out of money.
Good vibes on this channel
I've actually been playing the game and I've had a ton of fun.
It'll be free to play on Aug13, highly recommend checking it out.
It's more fun to play than to watch!
Anyone saying it looks slow hasnt been on the recieving end of a Kri rush yet, gets the adrenaline flowing for sure!
is the whole campaign included?
@@ixirion Only the first part of campaign is free. They are a small studio so they got to make money somehow.
But you can try it and see if you like it before you buy! The free levels are basically a tutorial, I've heard the later missions are much more interesting but haven't played them.
I plan on buying the campaign after 1.0 release to get the fully polished experience it's a bit rough atm.
@@Buttersman😂😂😂😂😂😂
vanguard's sentry post is basically a copy-paste ra2/ra3 multigunner turret
Improvements to writing and story don't appear to be on the cards given what the devs have said, so I am kind of concerned about that. But the multi-player seems like it might be fun over time. Watching Tasteless' tournament was fun at least.
Im real disappointed the pathfinding hasn't been improved since beta, I feel that's a core part of RTS games.
Also the campaign rehashed a lot of maps and the story of warcraft 3/starcraft 2.
But to be fair and balance my comment, they seem to have done ranked well.
Grubby must give AoM:R another chance... had super unfair 1st impression on it cause of lack og game knowledge.
Played my first game vs celestial as vanguard. The Kre are tanky, deal tons of damage and explode on death 😅.. I had 2 bunkers a bunch of upgraded lancers and upgrades exos and didn’t stand a chance even with repair lol.. think the kre need a little taste of the balance batt
Fortnite if it was an RTS ahh game
I canceled my preorder because everything about this game is just so uncreative. Sound designs is nonexistent, story is ripping off Kerrigan’s and Sylvanas’s arc. Graphics look low quality, abd the part that most annoys me is that even after spending $60 they STILL added micro transactions in the shop that weren’t included in the early access bundle.
I enjoyed FNAF Security Breach more when it first came out because at LEAST it was pretty to look at.
This game just ain't it man.. I don't mean to hate, I was waiting for this game ever since it was announced but just can't even begin to understand most of the design choices. The UI itself looks like it's from a 2008 game.
By design choices do you mean the visuals or on the gameplay
@@GakisStylianos I think they mean the design that shows the mini map, selected units, ressources etc. And I agree, it takes up 25% of the screen and looks mediocre, at best.
@@GakisStylianosi dont like graphics design in this game.. flat.. cartoonish.. not for me
I’ve played maybe 15 1v1 matches and at first didn’t like it but it grew on me. I feel that when they address the long list of minor things that need tweaking and maybe drop a graphical/sound effects/balance update that it’ll really be something
If Dota 2 had their own RTS it's visuals could be huge.
Yeah, I'm not a fan of the art style either, don't think I've heard a single person say they like it, wonder why they went for an OW style instead of fantasy which most other successful RTS are.
So hard to tell what units are in either army, they all look the same, unless they do like an overhaul cosmetic for all units, it's going to be DOA for me.
The sound still seems pretty bad, also don't like the way they have monetized it so far, I get that it's a business, but personally don't like this staggered paid release, kickstarter, supporter packs, etc, etc.
I REALLY hope that these new and upcoming RTSs, like this and Age of Mythology: Retold, Tempest Rising and Immortal: Gates of Pyre become popular and find homes with enough customers so that they can be supported for years to come
They dampened colors to make it less cartoony lol
Thats how it works, innit.
@@Naramek2it didn't help tho. This needs rework from the ground up
@@Naramek2nope 😂
It's like Overwatch + Dota2
i have 0 hope for this game. rip
Think of it as a mod of SC2...
I hope no one will make this game in SC2 engine just to prove a point.
"ITS RAW" this game is undercooked.
Man I was hoping for heros so much, it looks like 80% Starcraft, maybe a tiny bit Warcraft....
Idk feels like this came before starcraft 2.
Heroes would instantly make this game so much better
Looks terribly generic. Looks like HOTS and SC2 art style applied on a wc3 style terrain. It's not as bad as reforged graphics for visual clarity, but it does seem to lack it quite a bit. I hope they do well, but I am not expecting it.
so is it a good game?
no it's horrible
I really don't like how they keep milking their supporters. Anything up until version 1.0 should be completely FREE for the premium kickstarter supporters who gave them 100$+ ...
This game is probably and sadly going to flop, it has the same problem as almost every MMO after WOW, it's basically something like WOW but not WOW.
Game looks fine but in the end everyone will praise it for being similar to SC2 but damning it for not being SC2, while adding the same old phrase "Why should I play this when I can play SC2".
Seriously, I hope to be wrong.
I don't know if runescape came before or after wow, but it's fans seem happy with it
and people don't consider it as "something like WOW but not WOW"
Fortnite rts not what i was looking for
IMO, FG even doesn't understand the ladder guys. They think, it's all about the gameplay, while tons of people loved for ex. those cool little death animations in WC3, the fun of killing creeps, or the fun of finding cool items. In WC3 heroes had a lot of personality and a great visual style. Nobody was excited about unit compositions, it was all about hero micro. I don't know what this is. It's like SC2, but without its production values and micro, and it's WC3, but without heroes in 1v1. Calling this "next-gen", is a joke.
Gameplay looking really good. The graphics need more texture I think.
A game for no one. Childish art you alienate core RTS players, hardcore RTS style alienate younger audiences. What a mess
Woo!
is this TEMU Starcraft or what ? :)
They are workin hard, soon it will reach Wish quality. :)
grey goo, stormgate, and black desert online was my idea, just to name a few, my family are investment bankers that control the world.
long story short. Stormgate was my idea i came up with. because i was mad about the raven and infestor nerfs in sc2, and how Blizzard never nerfed protoss storm, so long story short I said the Blizzard balance team should make a new game and call it Stormgate etc, etc blah blah. lol and my family actually started the project behind my back as a meme. you may not believe me but this is the actually truth, it's a small world and here I am.
I am more mad about zealot. compared to SC1 its just bad unit. after adrino its even a joke.
second thing I am mad about is neuro parasite... how? why? it was dark archon coolest abilty
I can’t believe I pre ordered this. I played the first two missions and then uninstalled the game. I just can’t it’s so bad.
I’m excited about tempest rising and sins of a solar empire 2. This game is a hard pass for me. It’s not even remotely as good as sc2 or Warcraft 3.
That buzzer sound really has got to go.
I enjoyed the previous open access week (or whatever it was called) so I will probably have fun with EA too after couple weeks. However, I do wish they hired some proper artists for this, I just don't see them pulling in large number of players with this utter garbage art style. I mean they said they want to bring in casuals who are usually too intimidated by genre. Well, one thing I know about casuals is they take a quick glance at the game and if it looks unattractive they don't want to even try it. People like me will put gameplay above all the rest but it isn't how normies pick the games to play generally..
They've already had over $35mil in funding, I'm sure they hired "proper" artists. I just think the art style they went with and the execution of the style is poor
@@swimming6367 I find it hard to believe that any serious artist would think this crap style is acceptable. But maybe they're actually proper artists who also happen to have exceptionally shit taste.
@@Broformist I fully agree with you, but like you said maybe they have shit taste 🤣
thx grub 🎉🎉🎉
My thoughts: The only reason to play it is because you don't play sc2. You may not play sc2 because it's old and has an established playerbase. So you may want to play SG because its brand new and you could play other noobs. But its soooo similar to sc2 in aesthetic broadstrokes, theme and mechanics that... most players are just sc2 players. So there is no reason to play it.
I think you will really enjoy this game. Give it a fair shot. It is like a mixture of SC2 and WC3. Hope to see you doing this game a bit once in a while. It deserves some love
Nah
Looks like the devs need to give more love to the game as well 😂😂😂
This game is ugly as fuck though
Shh, we're trying to pretend that looks don't matter. Plus we were told this is the next 10 years of RTS so we just have to get used to it.
Gates of Pyre is way better though; did anyone join the playtest?
I wanted to try it so bad but missed the chance sadly.
@@lilchad961 Add it to your wishlist
Once you get past it being in EA the game is SO fun! Been playing a ton every day since
It came out.
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the most painful thing about Stormgate has been the absolute lack of giving the game any chance for anything many people came to this game whit the mindset of hating it and if you do that ofc you are never going to like it or even find anything enjoyable about it but i bet you many of the people hating the state of this game defended the 8 years of Ark Early access.
My honest opinion is the art style is good in some places bad in others the sound is nice and the voices are really good the mechanics are a lot of fun so overall this has been a positive experience for me and people i am going to ask you stop treating Stormgate as a replacement for your favorite RTS since i can tell you it will be nearly impossible to replace your favorite RTS until you play something for at least 10% of the time you have in your favorite game
I think you're very wrong, a lot of people have been waiting for the next best rts since the glory days of aoe wc3 sc2 and the rts community is so starved we want any rts game too succeed, but this is a joke $40m and we get this?
Have a look at god sworn 2 dev team and it looks and plays better than it with barely any of the time these guys had to pump this game out.
Its not about money when making a game though unfortunately it's about talent, dedication and love for the genre.
I had such high hopes for this game but its looking like a massive cash grab
£10 for 3 missions?
£10 per co-op hero?
Day 1 dlc my friend didnt even get when he supported this game with £200
They are really really trying to milk us..
😂😂😂😂😂 the copium is amazing
Why every new RTS game looks worse than ones which came decades ago? Warcraft 3 has better graphics than Stormage. There are at least several projects which tries to be Planetary Annihilation, however they are all worse than Supreme Commander.
They say genre is dead, but then they fail to produce any viable alternatives. It is either worse or same as it was. Still cannot find better RTS than Dawn of War to this day. I still cannot find better RTT game than Dawn of War 2. Still Supreme Commander: Forged Alliance is the best RTS for me as it puts STRATEGY into Real Time Strategy part.
Grubby: Unit control is good.
As his units are running in circles trying to attack lmao
Yeah, since there was no room for the units, they were kinda derping around. Thats the standard in any other rts, it would be illogical if two identical units could occupy the same space. :)
to be fair is was a narrow place, and SC2 does the same think under the same circunstances
@@rafaelribeiro99
Not like that the pathfinding in this game is way off.
If you right click a building with zerglings they will surround the buiilding, in this game they make it half way round the building and get stuck running around eachother, try it out. The pathfinding is really lacking which is a big big issue for an rts game.
I can't stand the art
You know how they say people either love it or hate it? Well in this case people either hate it or don't think art matters.
There is nothing wrong with the art. Stop larping about it
@@radudancoroian5169 triggered
@@nicksun7619 nope but you seemed to be and dont even know why
No actually i love it
Wish there were heroes in Stormgate.
there are, just not in 1v1
the mechanic of this RTS smells bullshit to me, competitive wise it offers no challenge its just a knowledge/mechanic check of the game, i don't expect anything that could make it better than other RTS title who are about to hit the release in the next 2 years.
Well, I guess this game isn’t for me. I don’t like the audio (especially combat sounds), art style and pacing.
Nope.
Wake me up when 2v2 & 3v3 exists. Until then, this game is DOA and everyone knows it...
Did we not learn from Back 4 Blood?
Naw, PVP isn't why people played L4D -brain dead devs
PVP people! If that's what people loved about your game in the past, and you are making a spiritual successor, you better have PVP or you are just wasting your time.
Lot of beaching and moaning in the comments. Lol
The game's fun to play.
Is it more fun than DoW 3 or not?
This game genuinely looks really bad
I sadly agree with you. I am not impressed one bit.
How?
Hey let’s be positive now... We should all be wanting this game to do well lol
I like it
Stop memeing it’s not funny anymore. It comes down to preference. I prefer this over SC2
Looks trash. Thanks for saving me money Grubby.
yes saved you the money of a free to play game
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it's free and it's an Early access stop complaining.....
@viktorgabriel2554 it's $25 on steam what are yall talkin bout?
@@Mr-ji2im yeah the campaign not the Multiplayer
Ugh. This is basically SC2 but shittier. I mean, the DIRECT correlations are many. They couldn't even develop/imagine new races; these are basically just reskinned SC2 races. I really wanted this game to be something, but honestly, I'm afraid it's already dead on arrival. All game developers need to wake up and stop being lazy. You don't have the have totally unique mechanics, but you NEED totally unique fluff/world thematically. These are clear SC2 rip-offs. Cash grab maybe?
My friend paid £200 for the kickstart and they didnt even give him all the day1 dlc, pretty funny huh.
They said on their kickstarter "Un announced co-op heros" as a perk, but he literally has all the dlc I do and I bought it on steam for £60, atleast he's getting a nice 3d model shipped to his house... when they feel like it...
I came here to complain because it's the only way I know how to feel better about myself
lets be real here. the game is utter garbage. as a SC2 and Aoe player, theres just no way we're going to switch to this game. played the demo a while back and left unimpressed. and same thing as the early access. sigh.
dogdog
They shouldve gone with more warcraft 3 and less budget starcraft 2
And Starcraft fans say they should go sc2 and less wc3
So far the feedback I've seen has been: too much like Blizzard. Not enough like Blizzard. Too much like SC2. Not enough like SC2. Too much like WC3. Not enough like WC3.
@@blutch222 Well, these people are largely Blizzard's former RTS team, so a certain amount of "like Blizzard" is to be expected either way. I, for one, would have liked to see hero units, which apparently there are not (this is the first game I ever saw btw).
@@potatoman8194 If they want more sc2 they can play sc2 and be better off. What do we have? A piss poor remaster called Reforged.
@@dynastes4938 Hero units will only be a thing in 3v3 and in coop 3vE, if it's something you're interested in.
I think the units look very generic. I wish they had put in more effort to make the game look better
You played pretty well for a totally uninformed person 🤔
i am sorry but this game looks boring as f...
looks like phone version of starcraft 2 (FUCKING TRASH)
SC2 has a bad game play design, in my opinion, and the game looks like it is totally based on it. SC2 killed the gerne and they make a game exactly as same as it, with a way worse art style and engine.
I just can't get over how ugly this game looks. The workers look like those cheap dolls artists use to pose for reference.
It's just a cashgrab for the asian teenage market, looks like a cheap mobile game with zero soul and innovation, how could they spend so many millions of dollars for this piece of crap goes beyond me
In a market of cashgrab BS frost giant is one of the few studio's that's making a game from the heart and truly cares about the community of RTS. Do a little research before you shit post. They have been responding to all the negative feedback with grace.
@@Buttersman They've actually been ignoring negative feedback and doubling down on bad decisions like the garbage artstyle. No mercy from me
@@ButtersmanAnd to top it off people who spent $200+ dollars on kickstarter, still have to pay for the co op hero unit that released in early access. What??
It's like your paying more for less lmao
@@Mr-ji2im I mean... did the 200$ Kickstarter say it would come with the first coop hero? Cause that's wild if so.
Nice of them to give the next one for free anyway though!
@Buttersman Well that's all good, but what about the garbage game?
SC2 ripoff but terran only?
I think the developers worked on StarCraft/Warcraft and know that people would kill for a RTS sequel to either. Legally they couldn't make that.
So they made a game that, yeah, is inspired by the old greats!
We have StarCraft at home, lucky for us home cooking is the best!
@@Buttersman nope, this is looking like a cheap knock off
@@sheepfly Like, cool opinion, bro 😎
looks like a flop honestly. i can understand if the game looked like that in alpha testing, but early access and it still looks like dumpy sc2? no thanks
I absolutely don't get the insane hate SG gets on comments and twitch chat. It's a fun game in a genre that almost never gets new releases coming from some industry veterans in it for the long run. What's not to love?...
That it doesnt really make much to differentiate itself from StarCraft and warcraft. From the artstyle to the mechanics theyre really similar which makes people wonder why would they play this instead of one of those 2 previous titles. Also the barrier of entry looks and feels really high since from the start this game was planned as an esports rts in a genre where 70% or more of the playerbase are casual PvE people not try hard go pro PvPers which was the audience they were chasing from the start. So yeah.
To a big degree, it's because the devs themselves have created some insane expectations to begin with, constantly touting their Blizzard pedigree and claiming the game would follow up and improve upon past Blizzard RTS games. When it became clear they were missing that mark by a mile, players naturally started to express some disappointment. Compare this to the development of let's say a Tempest Rising. Devs have been quietly working away and then released two awesome demos to much acclaim. Show, don't tell.
@@Mano7878 To me it's nice to play a game that is in active development and not support the awful current Blizzard. Also they have their PvE content now and a nice road map for it to continue to improve. Plus it's free to play.
Given all that I really don't get the hate. I understand not liking it, or preferring older stuff or styles. But to actively post and chat against just feels weird to me.
@@quackduckpics Oh dont get me wrong i can totally get behind the idea of not wanting to play any Blizzard tittles after what the company has become and looking for an alternative. The issue Is that the PvE aspects of the game while Its there it was more of an after thought and a reaction from a bast mayority of players wanting a campaign or something alike to do for PvE. But Its just like you said, Its still in development, so It feels unfinished and unpolished and the issue with early acces Is that while youre giving yourself more time and feedback to develop the game, you only get one shot to make a good first impression for the bast mayority of people to make them want to come back in the future or continue playing through the alpha which this game sadly failed to achieve not just by the lackluster PvE and lack of costume game modes but also because Its lacking a lot of shortcuts, visual feedback and many things that other RTS games have already figured out and yet are not present here fom the start.
😂😂😂😂😂 are you blind?