Handmade Insane Hubless Roller Skates

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  • Опубліковано 23 гру 2024

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  • @TheQ_original
    @TheQ_original  Рік тому +100

    Don't forget to check out FlexiSpot standing desk since they are extremely stable for daily use and use my code ''theQ50'' for $50 off on order over $500.
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  • @spicyice2255
    @spicyice2255 Рік тому +85

    a answer to a question literally no one asked. I LOVE IT.

  • @Animate-Anything
    @Animate-Anything 11 місяців тому +125

    the roll-resistance is greater than actual breaks. bravo.

    • @rickyvaldez5205
      @rickyvaldez5205 8 місяців тому +5

      lmao

    • @BlanketTruth22
      @BlanketTruth22 6 місяців тому +11

      when he spun the giant bearing I was like this is a huge waste of time.

  • @mr_cramberry
    @mr_cramberry Рік тому +122

    Please make suspension skates

    • @EtienneAugustin-h7q
      @EtienneAugustin-h7q Рік тому +7

      That’s would be 🔥🔥🔥

    • @AsPhAlTjUnKiEde
      @AsPhAlTjUnKiEde Рік тому

      @@EtienneAugustin-h7q Not new >>> Powerslide Nordic VI Shockliner

    • @Littlefry2
      @Littlefry2 9 місяців тому +6

      Your legs are the suspension

  • @kapnk066
    @kapnk066 Рік тому +87

    Some will technically classify this as a hub design, due to the use of a continous circular tube acting as the thru axle, albeit large diameter. Brilliant presentation as always!

    • @freescape08
      @freescape08 11 місяців тому +8

      Just like almost every other "Hubless" design, it's simply a hollow hub, the only way around it is to have multiple points of contact that another could consider to be multiple hubs anyway.

    • @BlindingSun_
      @BlindingSun_ 9 місяців тому +2

      It is still a hub.

  • @theawesomer
    @theawesomer Рік тому +172

    Awesome build as usual. You should paint them to look like TRON lightcycles now.

  • @EveryoneLaugh
    @EveryoneLaugh Рік тому +24

    Now I can finally fall with confidence knowing that my ankles will be completely destroyed. Thanks!

  • @MAXProcess
    @MAXProcess Рік тому +100

    You need to put on more aggressive tyres To drive it in winter. And in case of bad weather, to drive it in fields and muddy roads It says 4x4 on it, so it should be able to go everywhere.

    • @thetemplar2443
      @thetemplar2443 Рік тому +1

      Saw wheels

    • @R_A_3000
      @R_A_3000 Рік тому +4

      Skates with snow tires?
      Dude's legs are gonna be buff after the winter season.

    • @126hrj
      @126hrj Рік тому +1

      @@R_A_3000I mean, don’t skip leg day, and any day is leg day

  • @InnerSunshine
    @InnerSunshine Рік тому +11

    Love the creativity. I'm not convinced rolling along forest doesn't risk getting dirt inside the bearings :)

  • @PureRushXevus
    @PureRushXevus Рік тому +24

    2:35 and 8:30 damn, the man grew a full beard by the time he finished. Shows how long it took, that's dedication ;)

    • @damyomotorized7338
      @damyomotorized7338 Рік тому +1

      What if they are different people 😂

    • @PureRushXevus
      @PureRushXevus Рік тому

      @@damyomotorized7338 probably :d

    • @lucky_loot
      @lucky_loot Рік тому +1

      He also have a mustache, honestly if that his face he look like my neighbor

    • @jid303op7
      @jid303op7 4 місяці тому +1

      no he dont, those literally his helmet straps

  • @user-rg8mc4el8w
    @user-rg8mc4el8w Рік тому +67

    Love the idea and creativity but there is so much wrong with these slates it hurts

    • @brookewestonctc
      @brookewestonctc Рік тому +20

      That's this channel's thing - they make insane concepts that are utterly impractical, but look kind of cool for 30 seconds at the end of the video.

    • @thisyoutubechannel6896
      @thisyoutubechannel6896 Рік тому +9

      @user-rg8mc4el8w
      you are missing the point of those videos, the videos are not meant to be practical solutions, but just for fun or for experimenting purposes.
      just because he adds the lightbulb effect in the video, does not mean that he wanted to make a practical solution to it. instead, the probably just wanted to make the thing from their idea that seems cool in their head just to see what it is like when built.
      even on one of those videos he made, he said that they made a bike modification just for fun.
      so many people watching these videos fail to know this and would probably be surprised if someone told them these videos are just for fun or experimenting purposes

    • @user-rg8mc4el8w
      @user-rg8mc4el8w Рік тому

      @@brookewestonctc yeah thats fair

    • @chevalsauer
      @chevalsauer Рік тому

      A lot of work and skills just fun and not a practical solution attempt baffles me

    • @Tinkering902
      @Tinkering902 Рік тому +5

      ​@@chevalsauerhe's got 13.5 million subscribers, why are you baffled?

  • @Brahbrahbrah
    @Brahbrahbrah 2 місяці тому +1

    Very good job! Love to see an update on this using harder compounds for the tires

  • @TecraTube
    @TecraTube Рік тому +7

    let me grab my handy 40mm bearings right quick. okay, let's gooooooo.
    side note, more of an observation - that bird walking was faster than you. those blades are still dope

  • @thisyoutubechannel6896
    @thisyoutubechannel6896 Рік тому

    so many people are hating on these videos because the thing they made is impractial, but don't realize that these videos are just for fun and just for experimentation. the things they make are not meant to be practical, but to see what their concept idea when built is like. I really wish more people reailzed, because the other videos get so many dislikes

  • @a_i_k_0_n
    @a_i_k_0_n Рік тому +3

    And what about grease? Do you remove it completely? Is it okay for humidity conditions?
    Is it comfortable to use ball bearing without any suspension (instead of tires)?
    Thanks.

    • @Littlefry2
      @Littlefry2 9 місяців тому

      Grease is needed for it to spin it nicely, good for humid conditions, it's literally what roller skates and blades use;ball bearings and the sizes are just around 120mm diameter

  • @Robbiedagobbie
    @Robbiedagobbie Рік тому +3

    When you brake does it not flat-spot the tyres really quickly?
    Awesome build BTW.

  • @boomfiziks
    @boomfiziks Рік тому +67

    Very cool! They also seem to be a bit tall and I’d be worried of the torque on your legs.
    Here’s an idea, could you lower the height by pivoting the wheels outward (laterally) about 45 degrees-30 degrees from vertical?

    • @cybersecurity4589
      @cybersecurity4589 Рік тому

      Even same i was thinking

    • @BilliardsBilly
      @BilliardsBilly Рік тому +1

      Yes but then only the corners of the wheels will be touching and also that would probably mean less traction, and what the guy wants is traction

    • @imaginarysheeps
      @imaginarysheeps Рік тому

      the landroller skates took this approach, they worked pretty well

    • @boomfiziks
      @boomfiziks Рік тому

      @@imaginarysheeps That’s what I was thinking of. Thank you for reminding me of those. I remember Cesar Milan (sp?) the dog whisperer had those things when he’d exercise his dogs.

    • @Emre_Kermen
      @Emre_Kermen Рік тому

      ​@@boomfiziksthat would put stress on the joint. Wheels would stop turning after a hour or two probably. Or you would need a very complex system now that I think of it. You could pull this of with side ways rollers maybe. Like the ones in expensive pocket knives. Idk.

  • @hazyhaul5720
    @hazyhaul5720 9 місяців тому

    This man has the creativity to create happiness and I jealous 😮

  • @RichEdwards
    @RichEdwards Рік тому +5

    The 4x4 logo with mud splash was a nice touch

  • @anthonyreyes288
    @anthonyreyes288 6 місяців тому +1

    I like the video. A lot of hard work went into this. Thanks for making it. The skates look like fun.

  • @nonyabissniss7526
    @nonyabissniss7526 Рік тому +11

    Just an idea: make a second pair, extend the length so that the wheels are in front and behind the feet and use them like skis on the road…

    • @whateverbikes
      @whateverbikes Рік тому +1

      These already exist. Cross country skiers use them to train in the summer. We exercised on them 30 years ago, really nothing new there.

    • @jonathanporter5223
      @jonathanporter5223 Рік тому +1

      @@whateverbikes I remember my cousin had a pair that he let me try back in early 2000's. They were weird at first, but easily got the hang of it by the end of the day. Hhmmm...I wonder if he still has them or not...

  • @robthompson1399
    @robthompson1399 9 місяців тому +1

    Great work, very interesting concept. I would like to see another build where the wheels are out in front and behind the foot. Allowing for a longer wheelbase for stability and also allowing the COG to be considerably lower 👍

  • @Flyzguy
    @Flyzguy Рік тому +17

    Gotta be the greatest ratio of frame strength to wheel strength ever.

  • @BeastHighlightsOfficial
    @BeastHighlightsOfficial Рік тому +190

    People who didn’t come from TikTok are allowed to like this comment

  • @ask230
    @ask230 Рік тому +32

    I've never seen a rollerblading accident quite like that before! The wheels came off so easily 😂

    • @mr.cantillasz1912
      @mr.cantillasz1912 Рік тому +3

      He bought it feom wish😂

    • @anandsharma7430
      @anandsharma7430 Рік тому +2

      I especially liked how he effortlessly sliced rings off a metal pipe with a knife. Best metal cutting tools 😂

  • @froztygaming4857
    @froztygaming4857 11 місяців тому

    Cool build, welds a bit rough.. tig is cleaner... Hows the weight on them? Seems like anyone would get tired pretty fast with all that metal.

  • @boreddude8531
    @boreddude8531 Рік тому +9

    how are you going to change the treads once they wear out?

    • @charcoalPanda
      @charcoalPanda Рік тому +6

      He will build another pair. With square wheels, I guess.

    • @geemy9675
      @geemy9675 Рік тому +1

      it's not the best design for serviceability like lubing the bearings or changing the tires, but it's not welded, just hammered and screwed so it's still possible.

    • @geemy9675
      @geemy9675 Рік тому

      usually the builds are not done with the best usability in mind, but this one seems usable, except for the very high foot position. I guess for all terrain inline roller skates it would work much better to have the wheels in front and behind the foot, and foot as low as possible, just high enough for ground clearance.

  • @cakeisalie
    @cakeisalie Рік тому

    the infomercial-esque ad was refreshing! would by 100%

  • @MacStrange
    @MacStrange Рік тому +30

    As always, a work of great craftsmanship and clean design. Well done

  • @chatsu5441
    @chatsu5441 5 місяців тому

    You're so brilliant, I am also really impressed with your work shop😊🎉 Well done 👍

  • @My_Life_ua
    @My_Life_ua Рік тому +8

    Идея интересная, на этом пожалуй все!
    Практичность и удобство = 0
    С такими высоким колесами, действительно есть очень большой риск споткнуться и довольно сильно травмироваться!
    Это как девушке для утренней пробежки вместо кросовок одеть туфли на максимально высоких каблуках!
    Думаю, это разовый выезд для поддержки канала, как и в большинстве случаев всех проэктов, которые совершенно не практичны для повседневного использования!
    Но, за креативность! 👍🏻😄

  • @Jndjnd380
    @Jndjnd380 Рік тому +1

    Amazing bro,I like your handmade new version of rollskatters design.👍👍👍

  • @historylover3018
    @historylover3018 Рік тому +81

    WARNING: The creator isn't responsible for any fatal stumbles.

  • @amatullah_28
    @amatullah_28 Рік тому

    Wow.. Mice tho..great idea... But..How heavy is that?

  • @ИванНефёдов-у8х
    @ИванНефёдов-у8х Рік тому +8

    А сколько они весят? По массе? Наверное очень тяжёлые? 😮

    • @gi4i567
      @gi4i567 Рік тому

      Конечно. А еще он все масло вычистил из подшипников - скоро сдохнут. А по весу - посмотри как резина в роликах прогибается)

  • @GargamelThinks
    @GargamelThinks 4 місяці тому

    Adorable. More craftsman than engineer or skater.

  • @bryceb3194
    @bryceb3194 Рік тому +20

    Awesome job with the filming & editing & audio! And a cool final product! Excited for more! Keep it up! 😃

    • @dabcat939
      @dabcat939 Рік тому

      But where's the music?

  • @zoram671
    @zoram671 Рік тому

    OMG.... Absolutely amazing. I've been waiting for the day new rollerblades are invented with a bigger bearings . I used to tell the manufacturer about it.

    • @AsPhAlTjUnKiEde
      @AsPhAlTjUnKiEde Рік тому

      @zoram671 Bigger bearings for what? More weight, less agility, worse acceleration?
      the skates built here look cool, but are hardly practical. Much too heavy, bad wheels make it slow, or have high rolling resistance and the boot is absolute junk for this purpose. He should have taken a more stable/quality boot.

    • @CarlFlex
      @CarlFlex 11 місяців тому +1

      @@AsPhAlTjUnKiEde 100% agreed, these skates are just invented for clickbait, may look interesting but have NOTHING to do with improving anything inline skating 😀

  • @xaver0.782
    @xaver0.782 Рік тому +26

    This welding made me cry

    • @JohnRoberts321
      @JohnRoberts321 9 місяців тому +4

      I had the same reaction - was shocked more people didn't see it. Some of the worst I've seen.

    • @JacobAHull-nx6rx
      @JacobAHull-nx6rx 7 місяців тому +2

      Mee too

    • @pev05
      @pev05 6 місяців тому +2

      Got the job done f it

    • @vtowndegekste
      @vtowndegekste 6 місяців тому +2

      Even if i really try to f#@k it up it looks better then this haha.
      His skating skills looks horrible also😅

    • @Rommi4x4
      @Rommi4x4 6 місяців тому +1

      That's the coldest weld I've ever seen. Wrong polarity?

  • @TimmWebbYT
    @TimmWebbYT 7 місяців тому +1

    5:42 what is that metal or what is that knife none of what I’m looking at makes sense

  • @my_dear_friend_
    @my_dear_friend_ Рік тому +5

    If there was a great designer for every time another one uses hubless wheels in their design, we would live in a world full of great designers.

  • @freedownloadfootage4829
    @freedownloadfootage4829 Рік тому

    Best editing, smoth transition

  • @scottgriz
    @scottgriz Рік тому +16

    Those are stroller wheels. I'm surprised they stayed together with all of your weight on them. Nice build.

  • @goidogoi
    @goidogoi Рік тому +2

    Wonder if newer 3D printers would work, for that frame though. Giving a strong but lighter frame for the wheels.

  • @cmdrspacecroissant421
    @cmdrspacecroissant421 Рік тому +3

    I always wondered how do you break with rollerblades that don’t have brakes, never tried any, and never saw someone break with one of those xD

    • @qoilmdimibmliopqoilmdimibm7589
      @qoilmdimibmliopqoilmdimibm7589 Рік тому +2

      I guess its like with ski or ice skate
      Point your feet not paralell but in an angle, you glide a bit than stop.
      It might be harder with rubber wheels but than a smaller angle should be enough to stop you
      There must be more advanced ways, like roll on one leg and totally cross the other one

    • @white_lantern
      @white_lantern Рік тому +1

      Don't worry. His wheels are not rolling as the tire is too soft.

    • @KeithPhillips
      @KeithPhillips Рік тому

      Hockey skates don't have brakes either, you basically just powerslide for a hard stop 😋

    • @richskater
      @richskater Рік тому

      T-stop - just drag a foot behind you. There's several others but this is the most common/beginner friendly. But you can easily flat spot your wheels if you aren't careful. The plow technique mentioned above is also beginner friendly, and works great at slower speeds. But I see it more on the ice than I do wheels.

  • @jonathansantos2271
    @jonathansantos2271 11 місяців тому

    Good increase in style.
    I wonder how it does on smooth pavement?

  • @drescherjm
    @drescherjm Рік тому +3

    Wow! Those are some large wheels for rollerblades. I skate 100 miles / 161km per month every month for the last 4+ years however I do it on 4x90s or 3x110s.

    • @buccob
      @buccob Рік тому +4

      Well they seem to be similar to my Powerslide Next Edge... 2x 150mm

    • @AsPhAlTjUnKiEde
      @AsPhAlTjUnKiEde Рік тому +1

      @@buccob and Powerslide SUV are much lighter and have a proper stable boot. You can see how he almost bends over several times.

  • @takeshimomoshiro5325
    @takeshimomoshiro5325 Рік тому +1

    Without Brakes???!!! 😲 COOL!!! 😎👌 You're Hardcore!!! 😂😂😂

  • @Scoots1994
    @Scoots1994 Рік тому +6

    I think it would be much lighter to just attach to the bottom of the bearings rather than the full tube through capture you went with ... just seems like overkill. And the soft tires will eat energy.

  • @mytehnicsolution1365
    @mytehnicsolution1365 8 місяців тому +2

    Without brakes very cool 👍

  • @animeshmaji12376
    @animeshmaji12376 Рік тому +3

    The Q IQ is beyond the IQ of our famous scientists.

  • @SageRhyme
    @SageRhyme 2 місяці тому

    Nothing like putting all that effort in to roll on some flat tires with some frames that are 35 pounds a piece. Great job!

  • @El_Merluza45
    @El_Merluza45 Рік тому +4

    Skate companies should hire you!!!

  • @nirodha7028
    @nirodha7028 Рік тому

    The Q and skates?! Instantly clicked like!

  • @earthchanger
    @earthchanger Рік тому +3

    First Time it make sense❤. Much appreciated your efforts and creativity 😊

  • @StilgorStilgor
    @StilgorStilgor Рік тому +1

    I am from Bangladesh 🇧🇩🇧🇩my favourite channel ❤

  • @incautious1
    @incautious1 Рік тому +3

    Nice! Love what you do with basic tools. You gotta learn to weld tho, lol

  • @nj1255
    @nj1255 4 місяці тому

    You made inlines even better at rolling your ankles!

  • @TheGeneralkrank
    @TheGeneralkrank Рік тому +3

    bro those welds 😞😞😞. you seem to professional for those welds to not be a parody

  • @mb19999
    @mb19999 7 місяців тому

    So nice but looks heavier, hard plastic is better, love it ❤

  • @nepherpool
    @nepherpool 10 місяців тому +33

    bye bye ankle.

  • @pawansharma-hp7tr
    @pawansharma-hp7tr Рік тому

    What's the addl weight you are rolling...??
    How about repalcing metal beacket with aluminium or hardened plastic...

  • @Bert3HD
    @Bert3HD Рік тому +5

    Could of improved the look of the weld man. Not hard the grind it down smooth. Each to there own I guess😏

    • @derpapito1391
      @derpapito1391 Рік тому +1

      If welded right, there's no need to grind. That's some shitty welding

  • @diegoposadas4008
    @diegoposadas4008 10 місяців тому

    Greetings, what size and brand of tire did you use and what bearing numbering did you use?

  • @bountyhunter4885
    @bountyhunter4885 Рік тому +3

    8:30... Pigeon tried to warn you of no brakes 😮

  • @HeijnPuck
    @HeijnPuck 9 місяців тому

    What do you think about electric skates E-skates. 32km/h. 24km km on one charge. 1,5 kg . 1,5-hour charging.

  • @andrewsokutu128
    @andrewsokutu128 Рік тому +3

    You're genius 💎

  • @hidehide-d3g
    @hidehide-d3g Рік тому

    how did you collect all materials you need? Can we get ready only by IKEA?

  • @HOV4N
    @HOV4N Рік тому +9

    Make this electric 🤔😂

  • @pkf4124
    @pkf4124 Рік тому

    So when do you start mass production ?

  • @garzilla7123
    @garzilla7123 Рік тому +3

    Off road roller blades very cool.

  • @user9b2
    @user9b2 9 місяців тому

    Version II - lengthen the wheelbase and lower the boot by placing the wheels at eleven o’clock and 2 o’clock respectively. This could allow to you to add suspension in the form of springs as the wheel can now flex to the three o’clock and nine o’clock positions. 👏👍

  • @salsahunger
    @salsahunger 9 місяців тому +14

    Too heavy for skating.

  • @SgtStinger
    @SgtStinger Рік тому

    Awesome project, and what a cool way to break your ankles XD

    • @Littlefry2
      @Littlefry2 9 місяців тому

      Just make the width of the wheels larger, inline skates range from 50mm to 120mm size

    • @Axxidous
      @Axxidous 7 місяців тому

      @@Littlefry2 I mean yeah there are suggestions to remedy that, but that's the thing. You gotta apply those suggestions cuz as it is.... lol

  • @okadashoko
    @okadashoko Рік тому +4

    サスペンションとショックダンパーが欲しくなってきますね

  • @SirZapsALot
    @SirZapsALot Рік тому +1

    The Q: Makes something unique for entertainment
    everyone: OMG ThAtS So ImPrAcTiCaL.

  • @drmlzhang
    @drmlzhang Рік тому +111

    very nice but no :)

    • @Slickmfu
      @Slickmfu 4 місяці тому

      Why not

    • @Black-x-i7j
      @Black-x-i7j 3 місяці тому

      Those look scary 😟

    • @Mr.BananaManYT
      @Mr.BananaManYT 2 місяці тому +3

      ​@Slickmfu absolutely zero support especially with that boot and the wheels look too soft which means even less support and less speed. Imagine trying to ride a bike with flat tires is basically what this skate is.

  • @IanTanLK
    @IanTanLK Рік тому

    Ok, where you bought this knife from?
    Just asking for a friend...

  • @jale7967
    @jale7967 Рік тому +3

    Boy aint no welder for sure.

    • @Bert3HD
      @Bert3HD Рік тому +1

      Glad I’m not the only one that seen it. I could hardly breathe when he didn’t even smooth or grind it down😖

  • @bayly1977
    @bayly1977 3 місяці тому +1

    Was completely invested up until 8:15 😬

  • @eig1979
    @eig1979 Рік тому +1

    I would redesign them longer, so that you could bring the shoe part closer to the ground.

  • @ManishPhoto-b1p
    @ManishPhoto-b1p 4 місяці тому

    Very nice bro for your hard work dedication for design a new style stake but it seems their wheels were too soft and that was the reason for low speed.

  • @josecarlosvianadasilva6585
    @josecarlosvianadasilva6585 11 місяців тому

    Parabéns pela ideia!!
    Nitidamente o centro de gravidade foi alterado o que causou uma maior instabilidade para os lados.
    A bota tem que ser reforçada, pense nisso.

  • @doran73
    @doran73 Рік тому +1

    @TheQ_original downhill how do you brake ?! 😨

  • @FawkesNewsUSA
    @FawkesNewsUSA Рік тому

    these remind me of the old RollerBall skates I used to have

  • @danseng3747
    @danseng3747 7 місяців тому

    Yeah, 1st: that foam will disintegrate prolly on 1st run. 2nd: 2 wheels means no turning! 3rd: up way to high. I uses to get paid by ROCES to ride their BIG CAT offload skate back in 1998 or 99. I love your ingenuity. I'm gonna sub

  • @kaiwheeler64
    @kaiwheeler64 Рік тому

    The old Black and Decker power file would come in handy there. 🧤

  • @utkinvasily
    @utkinvasily Рік тому

    Powerslide Outback 150 or Edge 150, no?

  • @JayHeartwing
    @JayHeartwing Рік тому

    The problem with inflatable tires, they're super slow on flat roads.
    Tho it's a really cool build. It looks futuristic.

  • @데굴데굴-h2v
    @데굴데굴-h2v Рік тому

    great! but, how can you stop it?????

  • @gabrielchantraine9736
    @gabrielchantraine9736 8 місяців тому

    Excellent concept 👍🏾

  • @ДмитроВолоконський

    I was watching this video and suddenly an idea came up: what if combine tracks and rollers?
    Thanks for an awesome video!)

  • @BenjaminChay
    @BenjaminChay Рік тому

    Interesting build, just one thing, he really shouldn't have hammered in the bearings though, he should have used a vice or some press to push the bearings in.

  • @ellerybice3787
    @ellerybice3787 9 місяців тому

    A hand file is not a saw, the file is meant to only remove material in the forward pushed direction.
    Applying pressure or allowing contact with subject material in the return stroke is dulling the file, very quickly!

  • @herberar
    @herberar Рік тому

    Nice leg exercise with your new 12 kg roller skates!

  • @emotionalrabbit531
    @emotionalrabbit531 Рік тому +1

    Where can I buy that sharp metal cutting knife? Hahahahaha 🤣🤣🤣

  • @ravenouspathogen
    @ravenouspathogen Рік тому +1

    Where the hell did you learn to weld?

  • @NikZvi
    @NikZvi Рік тому

    You need a hard boot for such a high frames. Like Powerslide Nexts that are used for actual reallife SUV skates. Otherwise you will hurt your ankles.

  • @dguy-xk4fc
    @dguy-xk4fc Рік тому

    Those are looking great

  • @x0men
    @x0men Рік тому

    it's awesome, don't get me wrong, but isn't it technically just a bigger hub rather than hubless?