I think what's cool about Clovers is that they want to prop themselves up as a "core development team", meaning they want to make sure they get the creative decisions in the game making process, but lending themselves out to other people's IP, like Dimps.
For the uninitiated, Dimps made every handheld Sonic from Advanced 1 to Lost World (3DS), but they also made all of the DBZ Budokai games for Bandai Namco, the made Street Fighter 4, 5 and Street fighter X Tekken for Capcom, Freedom Wars for Sony. They've been really prolific behind the scenes for decades
Not related but why every American gaming youtuber/journalist keep pronounce his name as Ka-mia??? His name is not even hard or tricky to pronounce, just Ka-mi-ya, atleast say a person's name correctly.
apparently hideki kamiya did an interview shortly after okami 2 being revealed, and he said the reason he left platinum was specifically because of the CEO, atsushi inaba, who was also at clover (not at clovers, hes still platinumgames' CEO) he said they argued for months about the direction of the company and once he realized they wouldnt be able to reach an agreement he left
Just would like to note this is actually Okami 3, Okamiden is a direct sequel to the events to the original. It's an amazing DS game, I'd encourage you to check it out.
Platinum was doing very fine for themselves for a while as a "gun for hire", almost all the games they made were for IPs owned by other companies. More recently though Inaba, the current president, wanted to no longer rely on other bigger publishers and wanted Platinum to be able to self publish their own IPs, unfortunately his solution to get this to work was the same thing that clouds the judgement of many execs these days: "Games as a Service." If you are familiar with what kinds of people were big leaders at Platinum you'd know that this direction being forced upon them was not gonna fly, which is what lead Kamiya to leaving and very likely the same for the others that left. Also btw Clovers is completely independent and are not owned by Capcom.
I really hope Platinum turns this around. It’s sad they’re headed in that direction. I’d love to see them make Astral Chain 2 and a new Bayonetta, BUT, an Okami sequel headed by Kamiya is a dream come true!
IDK platinum owned 0 games until they bought wonderful 101 it was not sustainable for them overall. They had to take activision deals and halfassed thoughs games.
From the sounds of it, it seems the CEO of Platinum was pushing for the company to go a "Games as a Service" route that Kamiya did not fw, so Kamiya broke off to create Clovers (and later the rest of the PlatSquad decided to jump). Good news-- Clovers looks to be just as indie as the original Platinum was, despite tagging with Capcom for Okami, so it's entirely possible that Clovers just ends up being "Platinum 2: the Platinuming".
I just hope that Capcom gives them the freedom to work on Okami 2 how they want to. I can't imagine they won't given all the effort they must have gone through to specifically get Kamiya back onboard to work on his baby, but you never know with publishers these days.
@@nullthenightcat "If I continue working here, my artistic spirit will die." is what he summed up his feeling as. The longer story is that Atsushi Inaba, the CEO, went for self-publishing because he didn't want to be reliant on freelance work for publishers anymore. That lead to the studio pivoting to focus more on projects that would help the confidence of investors, which means more live servicey stuff, less oneoff weird stuff. (and more stuff like Project G.G., intended to be an IP Platinum would wholly own, that Kamiya had apparently lost faith in as a project after ~3 years of development) Kamiya had always been comfortable in the past trying to be the creative balance to Platinum's business needs, but he had hit a breaking point and felt that balance had been lost, he and Inaba weren't able to work it out over 3 months of negotiation, so he left. That is of course only his side of the story, but it does check out with what information we already have publically.
To add, Platinum got into a trap of developing for other publishers and IPs, Nier, Transformers, Star Fox. Even Bayonetta needed Nintendo's support to revive. The company pivoted in two ways, teaming up with Square for a live service, Babylon's Fall, and a personal big project. So it's not just that the games they make don't hit gangbusters sales, it's that despite going independent they haven't really had many opportunities to make original, independent titles. The closest three are Wonderful 101, Bayo 2, and Astral Chain. And all of that was on the back of Nintendo. It's hard to tell if Kamiya liked or disliked the situation with Nintendo (up until Bayo 3). But if the problem doesn't stem from Kamiya himself, it's very likely that modern Capcom might be an even better fit. The fact that his team left with him despite the non-compete might be a good sign that he's not the key problem.
Here's what happened with Platinum: 1. Platinum higher-ups realize that they basically don't have any IP, which is traditionally the biggest asset of any media company. _Bayonetta_ is owned by Sega, _Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance_ is owned by Konami, _Nier: Automata_ owned by Square Enix, _Astral Chain_ is owned by Nintendo, leaving them with _The Wonderful 101_ as the company's sole franchise that isn't at the whim of another publisher. 2. Platinum decides to pursue a publishing business to bolster the creation of new IP. 3. Building a publishing arm is expensive, so Platinum secures a big investment from Tencent. 4. Tencent starts cracking the whip, demanding a turn to live service games to get as fast a return on their investment as possible. 5. When the new live service projects like _Babylon's Fall_ start failing, Platinum starts turning new single-player games into live services. This includes Hideki Kamiya's _Project G.G._ which he intended as the third game in a spiritual trilogy which included _Viewtiful Joe_ and _The Wonderful 101_ and the sudden move towards live service led Kamiya to leave Platinum and found CLOVERS.
@@evanpereira3555 Yeah that situation is a bit weird. SEGA owns the IP, but Nintendo is the only publisher willing to fund it so the sequels just go to their consoles. Sega's basically leasing out Bayonetta to Nintendo, from what I hear.
Clovers is not owned by Capcom they're independent and not looking for investors probably because of what happened with PlatinumGames after Tencent invested in them.
Don't know what drug u take bro. Clover was owned by capcom that's why it got close down when it didn't make money . Everyone there at the time still employed by capcom. Hence every IP made by clover belong to capcom.
Clovers is independent, just partnered with Capcom. So they could work with anyone after Okami. They could do Viewtiful Joe, Bayonetta, new IP, whatever. Viewtiful Joe needs an HD Collection
@@sicksmoker253well Itsuno is no longer working at Capcom, and Kamiya is already collabing for the new okami, the only missing cog is Sega's blessing.
Okami is really such a wonderful game... I hope this sequel lives up to it. I'm sure the devs who worked on it are likely all at least fans of the original, given the amount of time since the original, so that's promising imo.
I think the simple fact that Kamiya has actively wanted to work on Okami for years now is a sign that we have nothing to worry about. Oh, and the fact that he has worked on some of the best games of the past few decades and has literally zero duds.
“Kamiya asking Capcom to let him make Okami 2 and Viewtiful Joe 3” that headline from July…I did not expect it to become reality so quickly. I have hope for VH3 now!
Just knowing that he actively WANTS to make it is a big plus. With how many collections Capcom has released lately, it makes a Viewtiful Joe collection decently likely, too! It wouldn't make sense to make VJ3, a direct continuation and conclusion to the story, without making the other games available to the public again.
@@SirStrangefolkthe only game Kamiya actually worked on was the first game, it's grown so far beyond his intentions and it would be very much A Decision to bring him back into the series, but it also doesn't seem like the kind of thing either him or Capcom would WANT to do after all, Studio Clovers isn't owned by Capcom, even if they are developing Okami 2, and Kamiya has Viewtiful Joe as something he's on record saying, and I'm sure a lot of original ideas as well, and games take a LONG time to make at this point maybe he has some involvement in a remake of the first game, but it's extremely unlikely he directs a mainline game at all imo and especially with Nero coming more and more into the spotlight as the new protag now seems like the time to shift to new people and new ideas
I can’t get over that he just named it Clovers😁 In all seriousness, I’m sad to hear about Platinum. I absolutely adored Bayonetta Origins, but it was meant for a niche within a niche, being Bayonetta fans specifically ones that love the lore. It’s such a fantastic, different experience from Platinum, but it was not going to have the staying power of a traditional Bayonetta game. Still, having Kamiya return to Capcom for an Okami sequel is such a dream come true! I was ecstatic and have been replaying Okami, still such a fantastic game. Imagining a new story in that universe, with updated mechanics, and 20 years of progress is amazing! As for Platinum, I at least hope they make an Astral Chain sequel and sort of reboot Bayonetta after 3.
Yeah, I loved that game too, and, though sales can be unclear, especially since Digital is not really tracked, I would be VERY surprised if Bayonetta Origins was above 500,000, total, between physical and digital. (Physical only, Bayonetta 1 and 2 are supposedly around 1.2 million on the Switch, but I would honestly say there's likely at least 800,000 units of digital sales (it's Bayonetta, I can absolutely understand people not wanting to proudly display the physical box on their shelf) for those games, on the Switch alone, and another 500,000 digital sales for Bayonetta 3. Total sales: 10.1-10.2 million.)
I'm just sad PlatinumGames is falling apart, it was one of the greatest development studios in the industry, nobody was as reliably great as Platinum, if it had their logo on it, it was bound to be fun, from Metal Gear Rising, to Nier Automata to Bayonetta, Astral Chain, so many awesome games. I hope they can keep up the quality without Kamiya
It's sad, but forget about it. They won't keep up the quality, the good people moved on. A new studio was born out of Patinum's death. Let's focus on Clovers.
Capcom actually closed Clover _after_ a few of the key people (including Kamiya) quit, but it happened so fast that a lot of people thought they got laid off.
Astral Chain was genuinely the coolest game I've played in the last 5 years. That game was pure badass and adrenaline all the way through. Absolutely deserves a sequel.
Also i don't think its Kamiya's fault that their games don't get super big, they are just niche games, not every game needs to be some blockbuster to have value, they were still good games.
I know right?!? I love that game so much. The announcement has made me break out my copy to replay it. I'm kind of resigned to the fact it won't be acknowledged
Personally, I consider W101 to be Platinum's best game. A wacky love letter to everything they ever worked on, both as Clover and as Platinum, and it just gets more and more over the top the more you play it. Controls take some getting used to, so it reviewed poorly due to reviewers sucking at it.
It’s a game that just couldn’t win; released the same week as GTA5, on the WiiU exclusively, with basically 0 marketing. With the remastered version out on all platforms now I highly recommend it, it’s one of the best Platinum Games high octane action games. Sadly, it also might be one of their last with the major staff leaving and the CEO doubling down on live service even after the abysmal failure of Babylon’s Fall.
I'm more concerned about a potential Astral Chain 2 never coming to fruition 😢 That game deserves a follow-up so much! If anything, the original NEEDS a 60 fps patch for Switch 2.
Nintendo wholly owns the Astral Chain IP, as they bought Platinum’s half not long after it came out. I can’t imagine them going through the effort of buying out the IP so quickly just to sit on it, so when they do make a sequel it’s just a question of whether or not Platinum (or maybe even Clovers) will be involved.
The fact that after Hideki left platinum the first thing he did immediately was work on a new Okami game shows how much platinum fucked up i have no idea whats going on behind the scenes but it seems like that workplace is very corrupted in order for over 20 employees from platinum to leave and follow Hideki I feel like the CEO or the higher ups may have something to do with this corruption it makes me extremely disappointed too because we may never see another astral chain game, but I don't wanna be too much of a downer maybe they've been working on a new astral chain game before ppl started leaving.
The only known thing Platinum has been working on is Project G.G. which was being directed by Kamiya, so that's likely scrapped. Unless you're excited for Astral Chain 2 to be a live service game don't get your hopes up.
Also shows how much old Capcom fucked up letting him leave in the first place. He literally created DMC and was the main one responsible for bringing Resident Evil into the mainstream, they should have done everything they could to keep him around.
@@ninetailedfox579121 Thats actually a good point I dont know their entire history but are you saying that in an alternate universe if Capcom kept Hideki we would have seen an Okami 2 or a new viewtiful joe WAY sooner?
@@tynamozapokemando2089 Probably, yes. The end of Okami has the phrase "until next time," and I believe he has stated that it was only half the story he wanted to tell. It seems highly likely that they wanted to make a sequel even back then.
@@ninetailedfox579121 im very happy that Hideki finally gets to work on a new Okami after almost 20 years I literally just bought it yesterday on switch bc of the 5 dollar sale the beauty of indie game development is not being shackled by shareholders, publishers, or brainrotted CEO’s that can corrupt the vision of your project he’s basically free to do whatever the hell he wants now I bet he’s felt a huge weight lift off his shoulders.
I think a think that has to do with both Clover and Okami getting a sequel is a recent survey Capcom did for their anniversary. I think Okami was one of the most requested series to return on there, which probably made Capcom think that reviving it was a good investment. Some other series that got high results of people wanting back are Megaman, Dino Crisis, & Ace Attorney. (Also, Resident Evil & Devil May Cry but I feel like they will obviously get new entries)
I feel like Platinum was getting held back by publishers more than anything. The initial look at babylon's fall looked incredibly hype, you had the signature platinum style and speed, but then someone in some boardroom probably said "Hey, live service ARPG's make a lot of money, what do we have in development right now? Babylon's Fall? Get them on the phone and let them know what the new direction is."
Wouldnt be suprising in the slightest, board members, stockholders trying to change things they themselves do not understand just wanting to be high on their own ego...
@@mythicalthings1796it’s both. They had an investment from tencent and the current ceo is pushing for live service. I presume it’s to honor the deal they have with tencent in someway where maybe whatever stock or smth they own of platinum has to be a higher value.
You're not wrong BUT in Babylons Fall's situation, that disaster is on Platinum. Square Enix was surprisingly not so hands on, and the higher ups at Platinum said Babylons Fall was their passion project
Kamiya has said that his most desirable projects are Okami 2 and Viewtiful Joe 3 so he'll do those first. If we're lucky, we can also get a DMC 1 REmake from him too.
Bayonetta is Sega IP not PG, and Nintendo is the one who saved it and funded and own the publishing rights for Bayo2/3. Kamiya finished the story, but if Nintendo (And Sega) want more of it I think it'll be easy to let Clovers work on it.
For your question about what goes wrong, it has nothing to do with the games themselves. It's a lack of marketing. I was kid when Okami and Viewful Joe came out and was oblivious about them until I leanred about them online. When Bayonetta was announced for Smash, my immediate reaction was "who tf is that?" They need to market these games and get ads out there. Let people outside online communities know they exist.
I'm hopeful on that front cause, from what I know, the Astral Chain IP was initially co-owned between Platinum Games and Nintendo but is solely owned by Nintendo since early 2021.
I worry a little bit about Kamiya. He's made some serious bad calls in the past. Capcom has been on a roll lately, I hope this isn't the start of trouble at the company.
Optimistically, I think the appetite is larger for a game like Okami now (particularly in the west) than it was in the PS2 days. My hope is that they keep these games kinda short, the original Okami was a tad too long imo.
It's very similar to why Mikami left Tango - he didn't like the fact that he didn't have creative control and freedom over what was being made. Kamiya has also publicly shared these kind of sentiments multiple times over the years, how he'll direct a game and they'll pull him away from the position of director for subsequent sequels, the overbearing demand for having to create products that the parent company wants to pursue vs. what the actual developers want to pursue, etc. Also, Capcom doesn't own CLOVERS, they're simply the publisher / partner and own the Okami I.P., CLOVERS being the developer. It'd be the same with Viewtiful Joe if that were to happen next, too, but theoretically they can just go and just do something with somebody else after the Okami sequel. I'm not sure that I find anything weird about it - if anything, the fact that several elite members of Platinum willingly followed Kamiya to his new studio tells me everything I need to know. These guys want to make what they want to make, and don't want all of this unnecessary, corporate interference meddling with their creative decisions and freedom, and you know what? Good for them. I think this is pretty exciting and I'd love to see more OG devs get together and do this kind of thing more.
The Platinum stuff is complicated, but from everything I've heard behind closed doors; Kamiya is not the issue, never was. So I wouldn't be too worried about Clovers. It's also worth noting that Astral Chain was very much a "big" success for Platinum, else Nintendo wouldn't have made sure they owned the IP.
See now this footage makes sense. It’s a video about Okami 2 so it’s footage of the first Okami. What I don’t like is when the footage is random and not related to the video.
The timing of the game awards was also perfect, because Kamiya's yearlong Non Compete Clause for leaving Platinum had just run out at the end of this year. Because I guess that's a perfectly normal thing in the Japanese game industry. None of us expected he'd just build another studio and work on a Capcom IP again. It's a shocker.
However it came about, I'm thrilled it's happening. Okami was one of two games (the other being Twilight Princess) that got me through a rough patch many years ago. I can't wait to see the new one. Hopefully it comes to Switch 2.
@@tvsonicserbia5140 I don't want this game to get sequels every 20 years, I'm sorry, I love Ōkami too much, I wanna see more games, make a trilogy, something. If Ōkami 2 ends in a cliffhanger again too I'll be so upset if Ōkami 3 doesn't happen until 2045 or something
Arlo made 30,000 TopicArlo videos and then realized he didnt have time to do a year end vid. So intead we'll get a new TopicArlo vid every hour until the new year. Fair trade
The former PR guy for Platinum literally said on twitter that the current CEO, Inaba, is to blame for the current state of Platinum. That and many others tweeting about how projects like Scalebound were part of the problem of chasing trends. Inaba wants that live service cash and the leadership is at a disconnect with the creatives so they left.
It was definitely a shocker. Its more of the return of Clover Studio. Platinum Games may be done with as well if there was an exodus of head figures. Maybe we'll get the return of Viewtiful Joe as well, but I'm more interested in new projects.
Capcom intends to revive some of their dormant franchises, so i'm curious to see of what they might bring back. I'm happy to see Okami again, but it would be even better if they also do Viewtiful Joe. I'm not gonna get my hopes up, but it would be a dream come true.
I think this was only possible thanks to the major internal changes at Capcom over the last 10-15 years, and the departures/replacements of some major figures in the upper managment levels. Capcom in general is in such a good spot right now, and they've started leaning into the more creative, financially risky projects again (like Kunitsu-Gami: Path of the Goddess, for example). Makes me sort of wonder what the future might hold for people like Shinji Mikami, father of Resident Evil, after the semi-closure/acquisition of Tango Gameworks and the formation of his new studio KAMUY.
With Itsuno having left, Kamiya would seem like the perfect candidate for the job. It'll be years before Okami 2 comes out, though, and he may want to do Viewtiful Joe 3 after that before taking on anything else.
What probably happened is someone at Capcom saw how much money they'd made on Clover's games _since_ closing the studio, and realized "oops, we should have held on to that team"
I wouldn't read TOO much into it. Keep in mind that sakurai opened up a whole new studio, Sora ltd, just to work on kid Icarus uprising. I think all of this new studio stuff is just their way and work around for working with Capcom ips again. I could easily imagine that they all go back to platinum games once development on okami 2 is wrapped up
The situation is even weirded than this. Platinum was founded Kamiya, Atsushi Inaba and Shinji Mikami, Mikami was the FIRST to leave and create Tango Gameworks to make The Evil Within, later when Tango Gameworks was bought by Bethesda, Ikumi Nakamura (who also worked on Okami 1 as an artist and relatively recently talked with Kamiya about her possibly directing Okami 2 one day) who was directing Ghostwire Tokyo left due to meddling from Bethesda and founded her own studio currently in the production of a game which seems to be a reimagining of the same idea, some time after that Mikami himself left Tango too. So it's weird how these Clover guys just can't catch a break.
Never thought there would be a new Ōkami ❤️ One of my favourite games ever. Platinum made a quasi Ōkami with Bayonetta Origins and now we'll get a proper new Ōkami. 🎉
A little unrelated to Okami, but without Kamiya, we wouldn't have the original Devil May Cry. I don't think it is talked about enough how much of an impact that game had on the gaming industry. If Doom and Quake defined first person shooters, DMC defined the stylish hack and slash genre. Without it, we wouldn't have DMC3-5, Bayonetta, God of War, MGR Revengeance, Darksiders, Legacy of Kain, Ninja Gaiden, or even fucking ULTRAKILL (which is called DevilMayQuake for a reason). The fact Kamiya is back in Capcom means that Devil May Cry is now in good hands after Hideaki Itsuno left, who directed dmc3-5 and Dragon's Dogma.
@@ChickenShred I mean Okami is generously going to take 2 years from now now. So if DMC6 is being planned at all I doubt he'd hop on it. Also its not as if he was the main force behind Bayo 2 and 3 or Astral Chain or that Itsuno was the only voice in DMC5. There are others who can helm the series.
@@ListlessWither 2 years? You are too optimistic. It will take at least 4 to 5 year. They haven't even created a new logo for the game. They are just reusing the old logo. Bayonetta 3 announced on 2017 like this and came on 2022. And Platinum is established studio. I assume Clovers is just on the paper currently.
Eehh, dunno about GoW, Darksiders, or LoK being grouped with all of those. Unless they somehow were inspired by non-Western game genres, which I doubt.
Concerned about the inevitable limbo that Bayonetta will be put in because of this, but I feel like Nintendo genuinely cares about that franchise enough that we'll see them hand it off to another company or get additional help to go along with Platinum. I am curious to see what happens, eventually!
This whole situation with PGames is a lot....LOT deeper than you think. It's been a thing for far longer. Litearlly the Wonderful 101 kickstarter seems to be around the time it started to go bad, because backs of that Kickstarter, 4 years later, STILL do not have most of their items and it's basically due to the fact PG has been screwing around, and being extremely difficult with people. They bought rights to a game while the Kickstarter items were still being done, meaning they need to be reprinted because "Nintendo" isn't a licence holder anymore. This ties in seemingly with Kamiya aparently being pretty pissed off about "Project GG" which was his ultraman game to finish out his Tokusatsu/Japanese hero game set. That was cancelled and that was the last straw and he left. It's really REALLY messy. A lot of internal projects in PGames seem to be dead, and a lot of people think it was along time coming. Including the PG work done for FF16 (they did all the Titan Lost fight, that's why Ifrit does the red hot kick in game)
I just hope Capcom doesn’t limit them too much. They treat their already successful franchises well, but the way they rushed Dragon’s Dogma 2 out and handled that situation makes me worry about Okami.
Iirc, it sorta went around that a big part of why Clover didn't do well was that certain people in Capcom (*cough* Inafune *cough*) wanted a push for western developed games, as stuff like CoD and Halo had taken off. This prompted aaid people to interfere with non-western lead or targeting projects This is likely the reason why Clovers games were not marketed well When Platinum started, the head of the company was well known for striking deals with big publishers and properties, and thats how games like Bayonetta and Transformers Devastation happened. However, he was kicked out by the board right when the games as a service craze started happening. Current president Atsushi Inaba has been steadfast in the service game persuit, even after several of them have failed and Platinum bleeds talent due to projects not being greenlit or panning out This is almost assuredly the reason why Kamiya left, as nothing he was slated to direct at Platinum had seen the light of day in like a decade. No one knows what happened to his Ultraman tribute game So it has sorta been bad luck. Platinum got rheir big break with Nier: Automata, but they started putting themselves in the gas chamber immediately afterwards. Hopefully whoever Clovers is working with at Capcom has their head screwed on tight
not all the staff at platnium went to clovers either, its koyama and kamiya heading it with a team from plat (not all). tinari (bayo origins) is now in finland for work, taura (astral chain) left (we don't know where) may be square related. there Kenji Saito (Metal Gear Rising), and Masaki Yamanaka (Anarchy Reign) may also be gone. i don't know about sales being all as most games broke a million copies, but inabas push/ decisions may have a hand in it. i'm sure we will hear more soon.
Once upon a time I nearly cosplayed Viewtiful Joe. I didn't because the man making my helmet scammed me out of my money and used the helmet as a base for a more popular cosplayer. Needless to say though I am so stoked at the potential for a new one and honestly I'm over the moons with hype for Okami 2 I adored the first one and okamiden
I would love a new Viewtiful Joe. Though I'd also be happy with a remake or even a remaster compilation of the first 2 games. If I saw "Viewtiful Joe 1 + 2 Remaster" in an announcement from Capcom I would be ecstatic!
Correction, Clovers isn't owned by Capcom.
That is fascinating. I'm glad that kamiya is able to keep his independence as a creative.
I think what's cool about Clovers is that they want to prop themselves up as a "core development team", meaning they want to make sure they get the creative decisions in the game making process, but lending themselves out to other people's IP, like Dimps.
For the uninitiated, Dimps made every handheld Sonic from Advanced 1 to Lost World (3DS), but they also made all of the DBZ Budokai games for Bandai Namco, the made Street Fighter 4, 5 and Street fighter X Tekken for Capcom, Freedom Wars for Sony.
They've been really prolific behind the scenes for decades
Not related but why every American gaming youtuber/journalist keep pronounce his name as Ka-mia???
His name is not even hard or tricky to pronounce, just Ka-mi-ya, atleast say a person's name correctly.
@@Shyori_Pham☝️🤓
No, no… you’re supposed to say the situation is crazy… okay, take two.
The situation situation is crazy
But how does the situation rank on the Moist Meter?
Like "This situation's getting CRAY-ZEE... let's rock" kind of way, or is this a reference to something that's not Devil May Cry?
It's a reference to every click bait youtuber doing the "____ is crazy" title
The Okami situation is crazy
apparently hideki kamiya did an interview shortly after okami 2 being revealed, and he said the reason he left platinum was specifically because of the CEO, atsushi inaba, who was also at clover (not at clovers, hes still platinumgames' CEO)
he said they argued for months about the direction of the company and once he realized they wouldnt be able to reach an agreement he left
Based Hideki Kamiya
Yuh, Platinum isn’t the same as before, so don’t get high expectations for their future projects.
These CEOS continue to be parasites lol
@SilverKitten10000 Damn Bayonetta is doomed 😔
Just would like to note this is actually Okami 3, Okamiden is a direct sequel to the events to the original. It's an amazing DS game, I'd encourage you to check it out.
Platinum was doing very fine for themselves for a while as a "gun for hire", almost all the games they made were for IPs owned by other companies. More recently though Inaba, the current president, wanted to no longer rely on other bigger publishers and wanted Platinum to be able to self publish their own IPs, unfortunately his solution to get this to work was the same thing that clouds the judgement of many execs these days: "Games as a Service." If you are familiar with what kinds of people were big leaders at Platinum you'd know that this direction being forced upon them was not gonna fly, which is what lead Kamiya to leaving and very likely the same for the others that left. Also btw Clovers is completely independent and are not owned by Capcom.
I really hope Platinum turns this around. It’s sad they’re headed in that direction. I’d love to see them make Astral Chain 2 and a new Bayonetta, BUT, an Okami sequel headed by Kamiya is a dream come true!
IDK platinum owned 0 games until they bought wonderful 101 it was not sustainable for them overall. They had to take activision deals and halfassed thoughs games.
@@Shaes_ProjectsI wonder if Nintendo would be willing to shift Bayonetta and Astral Chain over to CLOVERS.
They changed when tencent got their foot in the door.
Their output has been hit and miss recently. I don't think they have long left.
From the sounds of it, it seems the CEO of Platinum was pushing for the company to go a "Games as a Service" route that Kamiya did not fw, so Kamiya broke off to create Clovers (and later the rest of the PlatSquad decided to jump). Good news-- Clovers looks to be just as indie as the original Platinum was, despite tagging with Capcom for Okami, so it's entirely possible that Clovers just ends up being "Platinum 2: the Platinuming".
The problem comes when they need to generate revenue to keep the studio afloat. History might just repeat itself.
I just hope that Capcom gives them the freedom to work on Okami 2 how they want to. I can't imagine they won't given all the effort they must have gone through to specifically get Kamiya back onboard to work on his baby, but you never know with publishers these days.
@@psychokinrazalonit's why we need to spread the word of Amaterasu like Issun did in the end of the first game. SPREAD THE WORD
Platinum was already Clover 2: the clovering
@@kurosujiomake Clover 3: Clover-er
When you read Kamiya’s message from when he left Platinum it is pretty obvious why he and the staff that shared his vision all left
I'm apparently really bad at Google today and can't find it, do you have a snippet from what he said so I can Google the text better? ^^
@@nullthenightcat "If I continue working here, my artistic spirit will die." is what he summed up his feeling as.
The longer story is that Atsushi Inaba, the CEO, went for self-publishing because he didn't want to be reliant on freelance work for publishers anymore. That lead to the studio pivoting to focus more on projects that would help the confidence of investors, which means more live servicey stuff, less oneoff weird stuff. (and more stuff like Project G.G., intended to be an IP Platinum would wholly own, that Kamiya had apparently lost faith in as a project after ~3 years of development) Kamiya had always been comfortable in the past trying to be the creative balance to Platinum's business needs, but he had hit a breaking point and felt that balance had been lost, he and Inaba weren't able to work it out over 3 months of negotiation, so he left.
That is of course only his side of the story, but it does check out with what information we already have publically.
@@darthvaderreviews6926 Thanks!
To add, Platinum got into a trap of developing for other publishers and IPs, Nier, Transformers, Star Fox. Even Bayonetta needed Nintendo's support to revive. The company pivoted in two ways, teaming up with Square for a live service, Babylon's Fall, and a personal big project. So it's not just that the games they make don't hit gangbusters sales, it's that despite going independent they haven't really had many opportunities to make original, independent titles. The closest three are Wonderful 101, Bayo 2, and Astral Chain. And all of that was on the back of Nintendo.
It's hard to tell if Kamiya liked or disliked the situation with Nintendo (up until Bayo 3). But if the problem doesn't stem from Kamiya himself, it's very likely that modern Capcom might be an even better fit. The fact that his team left with him despite the non-compete might be a good sign that he's not the key problem.
@@darthvaderreviews6926 that makes total sense when you look at the failure of babylons fall and how out of character that game is to platinum.
Here's what happened with Platinum:
1. Platinum higher-ups realize that they basically don't have any IP, which is traditionally the biggest asset of any media company. _Bayonetta_ is owned by Sega, _Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance_ is owned by Konami, _Nier: Automata_ owned by Square Enix, _Astral Chain_ is owned by Nintendo, leaving them with _The Wonderful 101_ as the company's sole franchise that isn't at the whim of another publisher.
2. Platinum decides to pursue a publishing business to bolster the creation of new IP.
3. Building a publishing arm is expensive, so Platinum secures a big investment from Tencent.
4. Tencent starts cracking the whip, demanding a turn to live service games to get as fast a return on their investment as possible.
5. When the new live service projects like _Babylon's Fall_ start failing, Platinum starts turning new single-player games into live services. This includes Hideki Kamiya's _Project G.G._ which he intended as the third game in a spiritual trilogy which included _Viewtiful Joe_ and _The Wonderful 101_ and the sudden move towards live service led Kamiya to leave Platinum and found CLOVERS.
It's not hard to see why Kamiya said Platinum had "violated his trust" when he left.
Oh Bayonetta is still owned by Sega, since it's now Nintendo the publisher I thought they got the rights too (thanks for the intel).
@@evanpereira3555 Yeah that situation is a bit weird. SEGA owns the IP, but Nintendo is the only publisher willing to fund it so the sequels just go to their consoles. Sega's basically leasing out Bayonetta to Nintendo, from what I hear.
@@evanpereira3555lmao imagine Sega gets Clovers to do Bayo 4
The Okami Situation is Crazy
the situation situation
Clovers is not owned by Capcom they're independent and not looking for investors probably because of what happened with PlatinumGames after Tencent invested in them.
Tencent invested in them because platinum asked for investment.
Don't know what drug u take bro. Clover was owned by capcom that's why it got close down when it didn't make money . Everyone there at the time still employed by capcom. Hence every IP made by clover belong to capcom.
A creative company taking investment often turns into selling your soul for the ambition to grow, classic
Atsushi Inaba seems to be the link in all of this. He was the CEO of Clover and now he's the CEO of Platinum and is going all in on Live Service.
Clovers is independent, just partnered with Capcom. So they could work with anyone after Okami. They could do Viewtiful Joe, Bayonetta, new IP, whatever.
Viewtiful Joe needs an HD Collection
It does, and Kamiya wants to make VJ3, so perfect excuse to make a collection and get new fans on board.
I'm kinda hoping they bundle VJ1+2, Red Hot Rumble, and throw in Wonderful 101. Call it the Henshin Collection or something.
Maybe we can get Devil May Cry vs Bayonetta in the future?
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And maybe redo that DS game that introduced Joe's mom and sister.
@@sicksmoker253well Itsuno is no longer working at Capcom, and Kamiya is already collabing for the new okami, the only missing cog is Sega's blessing.
Okami is really such a wonderful game... I hope this sequel lives up to it. I'm sure the devs who worked on it are likely all at least fans of the original, given the amount of time since the original, so that's promising imo.
I think the simple fact that Kamiya has actively wanted to work on Okami for years now is a sign that we have nothing to worry about. Oh, and the fact that he has worked on some of the best games of the past few decades and has literally zero duds.
I think Kamiya has some ideas already, with how hes said he wanted to work on it for a long time.
The new studio is called Clovers, so its like Alien to Aliens
Maybe hot take but all ill say is i liked the sequel better
Or Silent Hill to Silent Hills
“Kamiya asking Capcom to let him make Okami 2 and Viewtiful Joe 3” that headline from July…I did not expect it to become reality so quickly. I have hope for VH3 now!
Just knowing that he actively WANTS to make it is a big plus. With how many collections Capcom has released lately, it makes a Viewtiful Joe collection decently likely, too! It wouldn't make sense to make VJ3, a direct continuation and conclusion to the story, without making the other games available to the public again.
But the question is, now that Itsuno left should Kamiya come back to DMC or should they find someone new?
I didnt think it would ever happen.. Im very happy to be proven wrong
@@SirStrangefolkthe only game Kamiya actually worked on was the first game, it's grown so far beyond his intentions and it would be very much A Decision to bring him back into the series, but it also doesn't seem like the kind of thing either him or Capcom would WANT to do
after all, Studio Clovers isn't owned by Capcom, even if they are developing Okami 2, and Kamiya has Viewtiful Joe as something he's on record saying, and I'm sure a lot of original ideas as well, and games take a LONG time to make at this point
maybe he has some involvement in a remake of the first game, but it's extremely unlikely he directs a mainline game at all imo
and especially with Nero coming more and more into the spotlight as the new protag now seems like the time to shift to new people and new ideas
Yeah we gotta get some more Henshin a gogo in this world, another reason im excited beyond also really digging Okami
I hope the Astral Chain guy went to Nintendo. I need a sequel already.
The last game director Takahisa Taura worked on was Final Fantasy XVI
Cannot tell you how much I freaked when I saw Lappy in the Bayo 3 trailer and thought it was Astral Chain 2 at first 😭
I can’t get over that he just named it Clovers😁
In all seriousness, I’m sad to hear about Platinum. I absolutely adored Bayonetta Origins, but it was meant for a niche within a niche, being Bayonetta fans specifically ones that love the lore. It’s such a fantastic, different experience from Platinum, but it was not going to have the staying power of a traditional Bayonetta game.
Still, having Kamiya return to Capcom for an Okami sequel is such a dream come true! I was ecstatic and have been replaying Okami, still such a fantastic game. Imagining a new story in that universe, with updated mechanics, and 20 years of progress is amazing!
As for Platinum, I at least hope they make an Astral Chain sequel and sort of reboot Bayonetta after 3.
Yeah, I loved that game too, and, though sales can be unclear, especially since Digital is not really tracked, I would be VERY surprised if Bayonetta Origins was above 500,000, total, between physical and digital. (Physical only, Bayonetta 1 and 2 are supposedly around 1.2 million on the Switch, but I would honestly say there's likely at least 800,000 units of digital sales (it's Bayonetta, I can absolutely understand people not wanting to proudly display the physical box on their shelf) for those games, on the Switch alone, and another 500,000 digital sales for Bayonetta 3. Total sales: 10.1-10.2 million.)
I'm just sad PlatinumGames is falling apart, it was one of the greatest development studios in the industry, nobody was as reliably great as Platinum, if it had their logo on it, it was bound to be fun, from Metal Gear Rising, to Nier Automata to Bayonetta, Astral Chain, so many awesome games. I hope they can keep up the quality without Kamiya
It's sad, but forget about it. They won't keep up the quality, the good people moved on. A new studio was born out of Patinum's death. Let's focus on Clovers.
Capcom actually closed Clover _after_ a few of the key people (including Kamiya) quit, but it happened so fast that a lot of people thought they got laid off.
Astral Chain was genuinely the coolest game I've played in the last 5 years. That game was pure badass and adrenaline all the way through. Absolutely deserves a sequel.
Also i don't think its Kamiya's fault that their games don't get super big, they are just niche games, not every game needs to be some blockbuster to have value, they were still good games.
Cries in Okamiden. That was a sequel nobody played. I loved it personally
I know right?!? I love that game so much. The announcement has made me break out my copy to replay it.
I'm kind of resigned to the fact it won't be acknowledged
Well nobody can take away your experience and love for the game and that's what matters :)
A new Arlo video every few hours is a sight to behold.
I think platinum just does a terrible job advertising their games. This is the first time I’ve ever even seen gameplay of Wonderful 101.
Personally, I consider W101 to be Platinum's best game. A wacky love letter to everything they ever worked on, both as Clover and as Platinum, and it just gets more and more over the top the more you play it. Controls take some getting used to, so it reviewed poorly due to reviewers sucking at it.
It’s a game that just couldn’t win; released the same week as GTA5, on the WiiU exclusively, with basically 0 marketing.
With the remastered version out on all platforms now I highly recommend it, it’s one of the best Platinum Games high octane action games.
Sadly, it also might be one of their last with the major staff leaving and the CEO doubling down on live service even after the abysmal failure of Babylon’s Fall.
@@MHSchonberg same week as GTAV? Yeeah, no matter what genre of game u were, u were gonna lose to that. Unfortunate
It’s trapped on the Wii U I believe
@@thetruestar6348 it did get ports to PS4 and Steam
Viewtiful Joe was my jam back in the day, getting a console threequel would be a dream
I'm more concerned about a potential Astral Chain 2 never coming to fruition 😢
That game deserves a follow-up so much! If anything, the original NEEDS a 60 fps patch for Switch 2.
Nintendo wholly owns the Astral Chain IP, as they bought Platinum’s half not long after it came out. I can’t imagine them going through the effort of buying out the IP so quickly just to sit on it, so when they do make a sequel it’s just a question of whether or not Platinum (or maybe even Clovers) will be involved.
The lead on AC has seemingly left Platinum as well, so Nintendo could hire him if they wanna make a sequel.
I just want to say this announcement was something I've been wishing for since I was a kid. It's still so hard to believe!!
Yeah, i tought Okami was in the IP dungeon never to be revisited. Let alone have Kamiya direct it again.
The fact that after Hideki left platinum the first thing he did immediately was work on a new Okami game shows how much platinum fucked up i have no idea whats going on behind the scenes but it seems like that workplace is very corrupted in order for over 20 employees from platinum to leave and follow Hideki I feel like the CEO or the higher ups may have something to do with this corruption it makes me extremely disappointed too because we may never see another astral chain game, but I don't wanna be too much of a downer maybe they've been working on a new astral chain game before ppl started leaving.
The only known thing Platinum has been working on is Project G.G. which was being directed by Kamiya, so that's likely scrapped. Unless you're excited for Astral Chain 2 to be a live service game don't get your hopes up.
Also shows how much old Capcom fucked up letting him leave in the first place. He literally created DMC and was the main one responsible for bringing Resident Evil into the mainstream, they should have done everything they could to keep him around.
@@ninetailedfox579121 Thats actually a good point I dont know their entire history but are you saying that in an alternate universe if Capcom kept Hideki we would have seen an Okami 2 or a new viewtiful joe WAY sooner?
@@tynamozapokemando2089 Probably, yes. The end of Okami has the phrase "until next time," and I believe he has stated that it was only half the story he wanted to tell. It seems highly likely that they wanted to make a sequel even back then.
@@ninetailedfox579121 im very happy that Hideki finally gets to work on a new Okami after almost 20 years I literally just bought it yesterday on switch bc of the 5 dollar sale the beauty of indie game development is not being shackled by shareholders, publishers, or brainrotted CEO’s that can corrupt the vision of your project he’s basically free to do whatever the hell he wants now I bet he’s felt a huge weight lift off his shoulders.
It's because Tencent is taking platinum in a direction a lot of staff didn't want.
The answer to all this video is: Tencent
I think a think that has to do with both Clover and Okami getting a sequel is a recent survey Capcom did for their anniversary. I think Okami was one of the most requested series to return on there, which probably made Capcom think that reviving it was a good investment. Some other series that got high results of people wanting back are Megaman, Dino Crisis, & Ace Attorney. (Also, Resident Evil & Devil May Cry but I feel like they will obviously get new entries)
After Stray saw big success by being a game where you play as a cat, surely the game where you play as a dog goddess must be quite successful.
in 5-10 years they'll form Diamond games I swear
Viewtiful Joe 2 ended on a cliffhanger that I have waited 20 years to resolve. here's hoping we can get a revival from Clovers.
I feel like Platinum was getting held back by publishers more than anything. The initial look at babylon's fall looked incredibly hype, you had the signature platinum style and speed, but then someone in some boardroom probably said "Hey, live service ARPG's make a lot of money, what do we have in development right now? Babylon's Fall? Get them on the phone and let them know what the new direction is."
Wouldnt be suprising in the slightest, board members, stockholders trying to change things they themselves do not understand just wanting to be high on their own ego...
Platinums CEO is actually at fault for that.
@@mythicalthings1796I KNEW IT. KENJI SAITO GOT DONE DIRTY
@@mythicalthings1796it’s both. They had an investment from tencent and the current ceo is pushing for live service.
I presume it’s to honor the deal they have with tencent in someway where maybe whatever stock or smth they own of platinum has to be a higher value.
You're not wrong BUT in Babylons Fall's situation, that disaster is on Platinum. Square Enix was surprisingly not so hands on, and the higher ups at Platinum said Babylons Fall was their passion project
I'm just hoping that we actually get a sequel to Astral Chain one day and it's just as good as the first. That game is pure perfection.
Kamiya has said that his most desirable projects are Okami 2 and Viewtiful Joe 3 so he'll do those first. If we're lucky, we can also get a DMC 1 REmake from him too.
2036: Hideki Kamiya leaves Clovers over creative differences
I wonder what the future of bayonetta looks like with all this
Bayonetta is Sega IP not PG, and Nintendo is the one who saved it and funded and own the publishing rights for Bayo2/3.
Kamiya finished the story, but if Nintendo (And Sega) want more of it I think it'll be easy to let Clovers work on it.
Kamiya barely worked on Bayonetta 2 or 3...Both of which are better than the original....
@@Maverick.D. Nope, no way.
For your question about what goes wrong, it has nothing to do with the games themselves. It's a lack of marketing.
I was kid when Okami and Viewful Joe came out and was oblivious about them until I leanred about them online.
When Bayonetta was announced for Smash, my immediate reaction was "who tf is that?"
They need to market these games and get ads out there. Let people outside online communities know they exist.
A day I don’t think any of us saw coming
I really hope this doesn’t mean we’re never going to get an Astral Chain 2
Probably not
I love the game but the chances of it is so unlikely😔Plus for a game's story like that, I barely have a clue on how they would make a sequel to it
You are never going to get an Astral Chain 2.
Nintendo owns the rights to Astral Chain, so they don't need Platinum to make a sequel if they really want to.
I'm hopeful on that front cause, from what I know, the Astral Chain IP was initially co-owned between Platinum Games and Nintendo but is solely owned by Nintendo since early 2021.
I worry a little bit about Kamiya. He's made some serious bad calls in the past. Capcom has been on a roll lately, I hope this isn't the start of trouble at the company.
Optimistically, I think the appetite is larger for a game like Okami now (particularly in the west) than it was in the PS2 days. My hope is that they keep these games kinda short, the original Okami was a tad too long imo.
The Okami franchise has sold over 4M thanks to Okami HD, so there's definitely a lot more desire for a new one. The original launched at a bad time.
just want to express how simultaneously entertaining and informative the uploads on this channel have been 😸
So long story short, Platinum is now a sinking ship of a content mill.
No, that's over dramatic.
@ Well, not yet, but that's the alleged trajectory
I love how we all collectively agree that Okamiden didn't happen.
It's very similar to why Mikami left Tango - he didn't like the fact that he didn't have creative control and freedom over what was being made. Kamiya has also publicly shared these kind of sentiments multiple times over the years, how he'll direct a game and they'll pull him away from the position of director for subsequent sequels, the overbearing demand for having to create products that the parent company wants to pursue vs. what the actual developers want to pursue, etc. Also, Capcom doesn't own CLOVERS, they're simply the publisher / partner and own the Okami I.P., CLOVERS being the developer. It'd be the same with Viewtiful Joe if that were to happen next, too, but theoretically they can just go and just do something with somebody else after the Okami sequel.
I'm not sure that I find anything weird about it - if anything, the fact that several elite members of Platinum willingly followed Kamiya to his new studio tells me everything I need to know. These guys want to make what they want to make, and don't want all of this unnecessary, corporate interference meddling with their creative decisions and freedom, and you know what? Good for them. I think this is pretty exciting and I'd love to see more OG devs get together and do this kind of thing more.
The Platinum stuff is complicated, but from everything I've heard behind closed doors; Kamiya is not the issue, never was. So I wouldn't be too worried about Clovers. It's also worth noting that Astral Chain was very much a "big" success for Platinum, else Nintendo wouldn't have made sure they owned the IP.
ARLO IS TALKING ABOUT OKAMI IS THIS NOT A DRILL
Appreciate all the content being put out on the channel
See now this footage makes sense. It’s a video about Okami 2 so it’s footage of the first Okami. What I don’t like is when the footage is random and not related to the video.
I think the shock of Okami actually being *back* has still yet to actually hit me...
Ditto for Onimusha 😅😭😭😭
The timing of the game awards was also perfect, because Kamiya's yearlong Non Compete Clause for leaving Platinum had just run out at the end of this year. Because I guess that's a perfectly normal thing in the Japanese game industry. None of us expected he'd just build another studio and work on a Capcom IP again. It's a shocker.
However it came about, I'm thrilled it's happening. Okami was one of two games (the other being Twilight Princess) that got me through a rough patch many years ago. I can't wait to see the new one. Hopefully it comes to Switch 2.
I just need a God Hand 2, anyone from the original Clover team willing to make that will make my day.
If this means Ōkami becomes a game series we see more frequently every few years, I'm happy.
That's not a good fate to wish upon such a classic game.
@@tvsonicserbia5140 yea but it's at least easy to tell the difference if the new games remove the classic line art from the style.
@@tvsonicserbia5140 I don't want this game to get sequels every 20 years, I'm sorry, I love Ōkami too much, I wanna see more games, make a trilogy, something. If Ōkami 2 ends in a cliffhanger again too I'll be so upset if Ōkami 3 doesn't happen until 2045 or something
Return of Great Okami Amaterasu, mother of all good there is will be magnificent.
Clovers isn't owned by capcom fyi. Not sure if at the end that was what you were alluding to.
Idk but Okami for next Smash
Arlo made 30,000 TopicArlo videos and then realized he didnt have time to do a year end vid. So intead we'll get a new TopicArlo vid every hour until the new year. Fair trade
The former PR guy for Platinum literally said on twitter that the current CEO, Inaba, is to blame for the current state of Platinum. That and many others tweeting about how projects like Scalebound were part of the problem of chasing trends. Inaba wants that live service cash and the leadership is at a disconnect with the creatives so they left.
I got the plat on my ps3 version from Japanese version upon release. Memories. Such a great time spent with this beautiful peice of work ♡
It was definitely a shocker. Its more of the return of Clover Studio. Platinum Games may be done with as well if there was an exodus of head figures. Maybe we'll get the return of Viewtiful Joe as well, but I'm more interested in new projects.
Capcom intends to revive some of their dormant franchises, so i'm curious to see of what they might bring back. I'm happy to see Okami again, but it would be even better if they also do Viewtiful Joe. I'm not gonna get my hopes up, but it would be a dream come true.
Remember Capcom was kinda desperate in 2017 and 2018, which was why Okami HD was released. It's confirmed that Okami HD sold 2.30 million.
Capcom did a survey months ago and asked fans which franchise they want to see return. I think Okami, Onimusha and Dino Crysis were top 3.
Kamiya himself wants to bring back Viewtiful Joe, so there's actually a good chance.
The new *something* situation is CRAZY
I think this was only possible thanks to the major internal changes at Capcom over the last 10-15 years, and the departures/replacements of some major figures in the upper managment levels. Capcom in general is in such a good spot right now, and they've started leaning into the more creative, financially risky projects again (like Kunitsu-Gami: Path of the Goddess, for example). Makes me sort of wonder what the future might hold for people like Shinji Mikami, father of Resident Evil, after the semi-closure/acquisition of Tango Gameworks and the formation of his new studio KAMUY.
I wonder when are we getting more info on Okami 2. I can't wait, I hope is soon
Arlo! Where can I watch the game awards stream!? It’s not on arlo plays but I wanna watch your reaction!! Help!!!
i know it's lunacy for me to wish this. But i want a new God Hand!
I hope we get Devil may cry 6 with Kamiya leading
With Itsuno having left, Kamiya would seem like the perfect candidate for the job. It'll be years before Okami 2 comes out, though, and he may want to do Viewtiful Joe 3 after that before taking on anything else.
I think we might get a Remake/Reboot( not the continuation from 2013) or a true Devil May Cry sequel from the 2001 original in another timeline.
I'm hoping for a DMC x Bayo crossover, personally.
Drink everytime arlo says clover platinum clovers
Platinum getting funding from Tencent hasn't helped.
What probably happened is someone at Capcom saw how much money they'd made on Clover's games _since_ closing the studio, and realized "oops, we should have held on to that team"
I hope this leads to Viewtiful Joe 3 so we can FINALLY get a resolution to that cliffhanger from the second game.
I wouldn't read TOO much into it. Keep in mind that sakurai opened up a whole new studio, Sora ltd, just to work on kid Icarus uprising.
I think all of this new studio stuff is just their way and work around for working with Capcom ips again. I could easily imagine that they all go back to platinum games once development on okami 2 is wrapped up
WAIT WHAT?! WHAAAAAAAAAAAAT
THIS IS HOW I FIND OUT?! OH MY GOD. I genuinely can’t believe that this happening. So hyped.
The situation is even weirded than this. Platinum was founded Kamiya, Atsushi Inaba and Shinji Mikami, Mikami was the FIRST to leave and create Tango Gameworks to make The Evil Within, later when Tango Gameworks was bought by Bethesda, Ikumi Nakamura (who also worked on Okami 1 as an artist and relatively recently talked with Kamiya about her possibly directing Okami 2 one day) who was directing Ghostwire Tokyo left due to meddling from Bethesda and founded her own studio currently in the production of a game which seems to be a reimagining of the same idea, some time after that Mikami himself left Tango too. So it's weird how these Clover guys just can't catch a break.
soooo hyped for this i cant imagine how beautiful okami 2 will be with the next gen consoles.
Jeff Keely holding back tears a this announcement was probably the strangest thing that’s happened at the game awards. Truly strange
I like this spelling of Geoff Keighley
@ Jeph Peeley ;)
Never thought there would be a new Ōkami ❤️ One of my favourite games ever. Platinum made a quasi Ōkami with Bayonetta Origins and now we'll get a proper new Ōkami. 🎉
A little unrelated to Okami, but without Kamiya, we wouldn't have the original Devil May Cry. I don't think it is talked about enough how much of an impact that game had on the gaming industry. If Doom and Quake defined first person shooters, DMC defined the stylish hack and slash genre. Without it, we wouldn't have DMC3-5, Bayonetta, God of War, MGR Revengeance, Darksiders, Legacy of Kain, Ninja Gaiden, or even fucking ULTRAKILL (which is called DevilMayQuake for a reason). The fact Kamiya is back in Capcom means that Devil May Cry is now in good hands after Hideaki Itsuno left, who directed dmc3-5 and Dragon's Dogma.
I don't think Kamiya will go back to DMC
@@ListlessWither Maybe not in a while, he is working on Okami 2. I was mainly talking about him potentially doing dmc6 in future projects.
@@ChickenShred I mean Okami is generously going to take 2 years from now now. So if DMC6 is being planned at all I doubt he'd hop on it. Also its not as if he was the main force behind Bayo 2 and 3 or Astral Chain or that Itsuno was the only voice in DMC5. There are others who can helm the series.
@@ListlessWither 2 years? You are too optimistic. It will take at least 4 to 5 year. They haven't even created a new logo for the game. They are just reusing the old logo. Bayonetta 3 announced on 2017 like this and came on 2022. And Platinum is established studio. I assume Clovers is just on the paper currently.
Eehh, dunno about GoW, Darksiders, or LoK being grouped with all of those. Unless they somehow were inspired by non-Western game genres, which I doubt.
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I haven't played Okami; but I have played Okamiden - and it was pretty good.
Very excited for PlatinumSgamesS in a few years.
Megaman Legends with Clovers studio would be crazy
Concerned about the inevitable limbo that Bayonetta will be put in because of this, but I feel like Nintendo genuinely cares about that franchise enough that we'll see them hand it off to another company or get additional help to go along with Platinum.
I am curious to see what happens, eventually!
This whole situation with PGames is a lot....LOT deeper than you think. It's been a thing for far longer. Litearlly the Wonderful 101 kickstarter seems to be around the time it started to go bad, because backs of that Kickstarter, 4 years later, STILL do not have most of their items and it's basically due to the fact PG has been screwing around, and being extremely difficult with people. They bought rights to a game while the Kickstarter items were still being done, meaning they need to be reprinted because "Nintendo" isn't a licence holder anymore. This ties in seemingly with Kamiya aparently being pretty pissed off about "Project GG" which was his ultraman game to finish out his Tokusatsu/Japanese hero game set. That was cancelled and that was the last straw and he left. It's really REALLY messy. A lot of internal projects in PGames seem to be dead, and a lot of people think it was along time coming. Including the PG work done for FF16 (they did all the Titan Lost fight, that's why Ifrit does the red hot kick in game)
I just hope Capcom doesn’t limit them too much. They treat their already successful franchises well, but the way they rushed Dragon’s Dogma 2 out and handled that situation makes me worry about Okami.
Aight, another CEO added to the list
But when will we get Okamiden HD?
Okami is a really refreshing nice game with a rural Asia atmosphere
Be like Issun! Spread the word of Ammy so that the second game at least has the chance of catching the eye of the wider public
Iirc, it sorta went around that a big part of why Clover didn't do well was that certain people in Capcom (*cough* Inafune *cough*) wanted a push for western developed games, as stuff like CoD and Halo had taken off. This prompted aaid people to interfere with non-western lead or targeting projects
This is likely the reason why Clovers games were not marketed well
When Platinum started, the head of the company was well known for striking deals with big publishers and properties, and thats how games like Bayonetta and Transformers Devastation happened. However, he was kicked out by the board right when the games as a service craze started happening. Current president Atsushi Inaba has been steadfast in the service game persuit, even after several of them have failed and Platinum bleeds talent due to projects not being greenlit or panning out
This is almost assuredly the reason why Kamiya left, as nothing he was slated to direct at Platinum had seen the light of day in like a decade. No one knows what happened to his Ultraman tribute game
So it has sorta been bad luck. Platinum got rheir big break with Nier: Automata, but they started putting themselves in the gas chamber immediately afterwards. Hopefully whoever Clovers is working with at Capcom has their head screwed on tight
Well, luckily, Clovers is an independent studio, so even if Capcom went south again, it won't drag them down.
@TyrantWesker
Oh for sure, but there's still that worry for the Okami sequel
not all the staff at platnium went to clovers either, its koyama and kamiya heading it with a team from plat (not all). tinari (bayo origins) is now in finland for work, taura (astral chain) left (we don't know where) may be square related. there Kenji Saito (Metal Gear Rising), and Masaki Yamanaka (Anarchy Reign) may also be gone. i don't know about sales being all as most games broke a million copies, but inabas push/ decisions may have a hand in it. i'm sure we will hear more soon.
IF THEY DID A VIEWTIFUL JOE HD COLLECTION I COULD DIE HAPPY
Not surprised that Tencent destroyed Platinum basically.
Once upon a time I nearly cosplayed Viewtiful Joe. I didn't because the man making my helmet scammed me out of my money and used the helmet as a base for a more popular cosplayer. Needless to say though I am so stoked at the potential for a new one and honestly I'm over the moons with hype for Okami 2 I adored the first one and okamiden
New Viewtiful Joe is something I’ve always assumed could happen but hasn’t. Lordy loo will I take one of those.
Maybe the developers just follow Kamiya around like a God
I would love a new Viewtiful Joe. Though I'd also be happy with a remake or even a remaster compilation of the first 2 games. If I saw "Viewtiful Joe 1 + 2 Remaster" in an announcement from Capcom I would be ecstatic!