Why Goku vs Gojo is far from fair...

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  • @ntrantagonist5773
    @ntrantagonist5773  Рік тому +183

    On the Goku speed calc:
    It has come to my attention that a potential counter-argument would be that the pod could have some form of life support system that would keep Goku alive. It's a fair criticism to bring up, though IMO it's debatable
    Anyway, to account for this, we can lowball and say it took around 8 months for Goku to reach earth. This is based on the fact that daizenshuu 7 states Goku landed there between June and August of age 737 (dragon balls calendar system) AND the fact that Goku was also stated to be sent off in that same age (assuming it was the beginning of the age, January, is where we get the at most 8 months). There are about 243.334 days in 8 months, divide that by 3 and we get 81.1113333333. Dividing the original 5.662349e12 by 81.1113333333 gives us about 69.8 billion × FTL for Goku's absolutely low-balled speed, or in other words still way faster than Gojo.

    • @Black-mx3hc
      @Black-mx3hc Рік тому +1

      I'm dead 🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️ (totally not kingbray)

    • @jacksonmather
      @jacksonmather Рік тому +21

      Even when low-balled Goku slams?💀RIP Gojo

    • @menacingpotatoleaf
      @menacingpotatoleaf Рік тому +10

      For Goku's high ball speed or just looking at his basic feats he does know screen. We can see Goku and Pikkon were able to cross two multi-infinite realms in about 5 minutes of them chatting on screen casually making it there in their suppressed base forms.
      Later on a arguably better speed feat is of Goku Dodging a quite literally AOE Auto hitting move having speed that can bend logic which would make sense given him able to be so fast he crosses dimensions as if crossing a boarder and more feats I could name but I ain't typing allat.

    • @gatouchiha5914
      @gatouchiha5914 Рік тому +1

      hah 69

    • @animeistemporarybutdoomise6889
      @animeistemporarybutdoomise6889 Рік тому

      "it took around 8 months for Goku to reach earth."
      i don't remember this one, when that thing happened? And wth he is calculating!?

  • @pikastudios2850
    @pikastudios2850 Рік тому +798

    Goku can be highballed to a 5th dimensional being and Ultra Instinct (and thus the stats) are always on to some extent. Obviously, even .00001% of his 5th dimensional durability is still 5th dimensional durability. There is absolutely no way Gojo could even harm a low balled Goku (which is 4d, and the past statement still applies) and Ultra Instinct removes all thought, so Gojo’s domain expansion could be completely useless. Moral of the story, stop scaling new gen hax based characters against Goku unless they are proven to be atleast universal.

    • @slinux8420
      @slinux8420 Рік тому +108

      I always used the argument that Goku could probably speed blitz Gojo before all the accumulated information from his domain fucks up Goku since its shown that limitless void doesn't instantly give you infinite information.

    • @thescumgod658
      @thescumgod658 Рік тому +79

      I mean the world above(or the kais world)was stated to be 5D by Koyama(the screenwriter) and goku was also gonna destroy it
      So saying goku is 5D ain't a highball
      A highball is saying goku is 6~7D if you take all the statements to their max
      But goku is Atleast 5D(not highballed)

    • @makotomurazakieng6219
      @makotomurazakieng6219 Рік тому +27

      @@thescumgod658 but the universe 7 has 7 infinite dimensions within it, and R^7 is already complex multiversal, this ain't a highball at all

    • @venotti86
      @venotti86 Рік тому +5

      @@makotomurazakieng6219 prove the dimensions are infinite and infinitely transcend each other

    • @makotomurazakieng6219
      @makotomurazakieng6219 Рік тому

      @@venotti86 read the f ing daizenshuu bro, you guys are always waiting for the informations you can get them by yourself

  • @BeretBay
    @BeretBay Рік тому +252

    Just wanted to add, even if Goku found himself trapped within Infinite Void, he could probably break through the void on his own, considering how SSJ3 Gotenks broke the sound barrier to escape the Hyperbolic Time Chamber and assuming that Goku is most definitely stronger than Gotenks was at the time.

    • @MsTatakai
      @MsTatakai Рік тому +17

      so true... i don't know how they could compare Goku vs Gojo... Both are strong but can't be compared... Saitama in the other hand... comparable...

    • @TheOrginalWockySlush
      @TheOrginalWockySlush Рік тому +27

      thats not how that works... As soon as domain is popped, the ability is already in effect.

    • @AiczeTheMonkewGlasses
      @AiczeTheMonkewGlasses Рік тому

      ​@@MsTatakai Goku and saitama or Gojo and Saitama?

    • @MsTatakai
      @MsTatakai Рік тому

      @@AiczeTheMonkewGlasses goku and saitama

    • @AiczeTheMonkewGlasses
      @AiczeTheMonkewGlasses Рік тому +8

      @@MsTatakai Im not saying Gojo is stronger than Saitama, but Saitama and Gojo are more comparable imo

  • @slinux8420
    @slinux8420 Рік тому +220

    Can't lie bro got me dead af when you used baby Goku's space travel as a speed feat, not like I disagree, just surprised since you don't hear anyone using that along with the super dimensional stuff.

    • @ntrantagonist5773
      @ntrantagonist5773  Рік тому +95

      I literally just thought "what's a random speed feat i could use" and i looked at the db map and was like "sheeeeet💀"

    • @drypoop3832
      @drypoop3832 Рік тому +8

      @@ntrantagonist5773 💀💀💀💀💀

    • @drypoop3832
      @drypoop3832 Рік тому +2

      @@memenciorivera7371 Are you okay?

    • @Black-mx3hc
      @Black-mx3hc Рік тому +2

      ​@@memenciorivera7371 bro he didn't even do anything 🏴‍☠️

    • @jacksonmather
      @jacksonmather Рік тому

      @@ntrantagonist5773 💀💀💀

  • @DeathTheManiac
    @DeathTheManiac Рік тому +99

    The thing about Dragon ball that most people seem to ignore or forget, is that with enough power you can just outright ignore other powers or hax. Examples of this being Goku and Jiren ignoring Hit's time powers by simply powering up. Or the few times that people have negated Hakai energy, which is power that can completely destroy a person's existence on all levels of that timeline. Like how one Zamasu's body and soul were erased from existence by Beerus.

    • @Awesomeisme7000
      @Awesomeisme7000 Рік тому +9

      To be honest the fact an ability can be overcome by just screaming loudly is extremely lame.

    • @dgrogan8423
      @dgrogan8423 Рік тому +28

      @@Awesomeisme7000 pov you watched Dragon Ball through tiktok and now think that's how it works

    • @ANONYMOUS47725
      @ANONYMOUS47725 Рік тому +3

      ​@@dgrogan8423 facts

    • @erwindaboss2923
      @erwindaboss2923 Рік тому +4

      @@dgrogan8423 that is how it works

    • @khulmach9662
      @khulmach9662 Рік тому +5

      That's because their hax abilities suck.
      The real hax cannot be ignored, like Buu transforming Vegeto into candy.
      They can still talk and move, but its a fact that they were candy and only Buu could change them back.
      The devil dude that kills/hurts people who have evil in them is an example of real hax too.
      But most Dragon Ball Hax is all tied to the actual capability of the person using in.

  • @grayfield3361
    @grayfield3361 Рік тому +346

    Also something I feel is forgotten is that in dragon ball power pretty much determines everything, if you’re stronger your abilities work to a greater extent and through raw power a lot of hax abilities are ignored. Especially if we count God Ki. I just think Goku’s raw ki would ignore any ability Gojo has. Though I’d like to hear the thoughts of others who may disagree

    • @williamdavis5711
      @williamdavis5711 Рік тому +31

      That's in any if not most shonen though remember aizen negates soi fons two hit kill by just being stronger and in naruto the same thing happens when the get to the ten tails obito fight they had to be sage to even damage him. I haven't seen one piece but I bet it even has something like that in it somewhere too.

    • @justaguywithagoodphoto4801
      @justaguywithagoodphoto4801 Рік тому +44

      @@williamdavis5711yes to a certain extent one piece has something similar when you add haki in the conclusion some users of haki when faced with a competent devil fruit user with knowledge of equally capable haki, the winner is usually determined by who has superior haki

    • @williamdavis5711
      @williamdavis5711 Рік тому +18

      @@justaguywithagoodphoto4801 "superior haki" sounds almost exactly how gojo talks about domain expansions and how the more "refined one" wins.

    • @justaguywithagoodphoto4801
      @justaguywithagoodphoto4801 Рік тому +8

      @@williamdavis5711 it kind of is, in a pure haki fight the one with better haki usually wins and one piece has stayed true to that

    • @williamdavis5711
      @williamdavis5711 Рік тому +8

      @@justaguywithagoodphoto4801 that's pretty cool that even happens in early bleach when ichigo fights kenpachi.

  • @infinityking8743
    @infinityking8743 Рік тому +57

    First vid I’ve seen that actually explains goku vs gojo in a way that is understandable by someone who hasn’t watched one or both of the shows

  • @raulvillarreal4823
    @raulvillarreal4823 Рік тому +15

    Bruh this format for a video is dope. It’s like you’re both taking turns rapping a verse on a song, it’s flows so well and the chemistry is crazy, especially being able to express calcs while going back and fourth. Keep it up and you’re going to pop off! Subscribed 🤝

  • @lalosalamancaenjoyer3321
    @lalosalamancaenjoyer3321 Рік тому +68

    Goku against beerus was about to destroy entire db macrocasm which consists of normal universe with hell and heaven (two separate dimensions,both infinite). Destroying a macrocasm two infinities bigger than regular universe makes a character 6d (battle wiki). So Goku ks basically 6d in base form, even if he doesn't want to simply destroy earth and let vacuum destroy Gojo he can easily destroy the infinity between them

    • @Youngsickbacchus
      @Youngsickbacchus Рік тому +3

      That’s battle of gods gokus base form, not even taking into account to training hes done since then that could put him anywhere between a hundred and a trillion times stronger 💀 god you really cant beat this man

    • @Zorothex5152
      @Zorothex5152 Рік тому +5

      Correction: "Beerus' clashes", not Goku's.
      It's because Beerus is a Destoyer. destruction happens when he fights, it's his signature ability, just like every Pokemon has one.
      Point utterly moot and void.

    • @Youngsickbacchus
      @Youngsickbacchus Рік тому

      @@Zorothex5152 correction, Goku was perfectly matching most of his strikes to completely neutralize the force behind them. The blows that went on to shake the macrocosms were the accidental leftover when he did too much or too little and the old kai specifically says this is the effect of both of them. Also considering that the part thats being measured is just a part of the full damage both were throwing out since they were equaling each other, it’s basically retarded to try and not count the feat for goku. I could argue that’s just a percentage of his power, which later becomes essentially a base form he can multiply by at least 50x

    • @jaydbankz0266
      @jaydbankz0266 Рік тому

      @@Zorothex5152 correction goku’s the one that canceled out the shockwave that was going to destroy the macroverse stated by both elder kai and supreme kai.
      “Point utterly moot and void” dumbass

    • @amari117
      @amari117 Рік тому +8

      @@Zorothex5152You’re wrong there, it was Goku and Beerus’ clashes, The reasoning behind Beerus’ destruction whilst fighting opponents that are around the same strength is that he is simply very strong and when they clash shockwaves form as a result, Elder Kai confirmed that Goku and Beerus’ had been using the same amount of force to create said shockwaves (Beerus was suppressing his power so that their fight would be fair, but there was still enough power to match Goku and his force [Goku canceled out all of Beerus’ punches by throwing a punch at the exact same speed and angle this can be represented as x + -x = 0+Force = Force sent throughout Macrocosm where Force = Shockwave in this sense]

  • @pikastudios2850
    @pikastudios2850 Рік тому +107

    For anyone who cares. Kid Goku is comparable to king piccolo who killed shenron. Using obvious shaolin inspiration, Shenron would be a being from an outerversal to even boundless dimension, putting kid Goku at outerversal-boundless. There is no literal way Gojo defeats any version of goku except baby goku (kid Goku has toon force).

    • @vggglat6424
      @vggglat6424 Рік тому +11

      How is shenny boundless

    • @LemoneMan
      @LemoneMan Рік тому

      ​@@vggglat6424 *cough* mythology and bullshit

    • @kwamemwangs2173
      @kwamemwangs2173 Рік тому +93

      I'm on Goku's side but how tf did you reach that conclusion 😂😂

    • @GreyLeo
      @GreyLeo Рік тому +16

      I mean Kid Goku did break manga panels

    • @Zeno1781
      @Zeno1781 Рік тому +4

      @@kwamemwangs2173 I think he is high balling the fact shenron can grant literally any wishes except killing those stronger than his creator
      Meaning you could essentially ask shenron to inflict your opponent with countless calamities and he could do it

  • @TheBakedPotato10
    @TheBakedPotato10 Рік тому +30

    A new UA-cam channel producing good quality videos that have accurate scaling?
    THATS ILLEGAL.

  • @343JustMe
    @343JustMe Рік тому +8

    I hate when people compare fodder characters like gojo to Goku. People don't understand how unbelievably powerful Goku is

    • @HeavyWeaponsGuy3
      @HeavyWeaponsGuy3 7 місяців тому

      yeah i want things like goku vs beerus or goku vs anos and rimuru sure they are way stronger but switching to cc Goku or dbsh xeno goku ends it honestly don’t know an equal fight for super goku other than inside his verse

  • @ethanpoe4823
    @ethanpoe4823 Рік тому +123

    1st thing, this is easily one of the cleanest scaling videos I have EVER seen. Everything, the pacing, the non over bearing music, the quick indepth feats, the mention of dimensionality playing a factor. Seriously nice job.
    2nd thing, (being more of a question since it has been a while) didnt Jiren in the TOP surpass the concept of time through pure stats alone according to supreme kai after breaking out of hits infinite time prison? (again its been a while but I feel like I remember this happening). The point of this though, would obv be that current manga goku is massively above where TOP goku was in terms of quite literally everything and if Jiren surpassed speed as a concept then by the rule of relativistic prowess goku should also have surpassed time as a concept. And if thats the case, infinity what? XD

    • @MTF_Epsolon-9
      @MTF_Epsolon-9 Рік тому +6

      Yeah Goku is atleast 4D as he was able to exist in a plain with no space/time/oxygen/gravity/void as zeno destroied everything as he killed zamasu. There was nothing remaining besides a wite void (if u can call it a void)and goku in his base was casually chilling like nothing happend and he shook a infinite plain by just existing in the TOP (to move infinity you need infinity so there is infinite strength) Goku is wayyyyyyyyyyyyy stronger then Gojo

    • @kxngofomni6606
      @kxngofomni6606 Рік тому +2

      Eh, I’d like to believe he didn’t surpass the concept of time simply because they were still worried about timer in the background and, pretty sure Jiren just overpowered Hits’s Ki hacks.

    • @Hallow6262
      @Hallow6262 Рік тому +2

      @@kxngofomni6606 Time skip allows Hit to move forward in time and counter his opponents Goku and Jiren broke Hits timeskip when fighting him

    • @ntrantagonist5773
      @ntrantagonist5773  Рік тому +1

      sorry I'm seeing this late: The whole transcending time statement isn't in the manga, though I don't think it really matters. It would be narratively inconsistent if it applied to their speed since time is still a major factor for characters that surpassed that level in the TOP, it would only apply to power and hax resistance.
      Also note, for the most part, time is a concept, so surpassing time and the concept of time are the same thing

    • @khulmach9662
      @khulmach9662 Рік тому +1

      Jiren did not surpass time at all, he just way stronger than Hit.
      Hit's time jail is directly tied to his own power and stamina, Jiren only needs to outlast Hit.
      Not time.

  • @striker8414
    @striker8414 Рік тому +49

    that striker dude was lowkey spitting 💯

    • @ntrantagonist5773
      @ntrantagonist5773  Рік тому +7

      true but i bet at NTR guy would slam him in a debate🤭

    • @megascizor8275
      @megascizor8275 Рік тому +1

      Spitting cap

    • @TheBakedPotato10
      @TheBakedPotato10 Рік тому

      Yeah but tbh I hate that guy

    • @TheBakedPotato10
      @TheBakedPotato10 Рік тому

      Btw striker why scale Yukis feat to planetary when you have told me that calcs scale it to star

    • @AUBERGINEMAN_-
      @AUBERGINEMAN_- Рік тому +4

      @@ntrantagonist5773 tbh i don't think Purple will do anything to him since he litteraly resisted a hakai from beerus(or another god of destruction)

  • @elijahjames1447
    @elijahjames1447 Рік тому +4

    you are underrated, you earned a sub my man

  • @Crimson7390
    @Crimson7390 Рік тому +1

    Ngl, this was some really good scaling and entertaining on top of that. Definitely glad I found this channel.

  • @AresKinetic
    @AresKinetic Рік тому +1

    such an amazing video brother keep it up!

  • @MushaiEditz
    @MushaiEditz Рік тому +15

    And please keep in mind that to beat Infinity, you simply need to be MASSIVELY faster than the speed of light which in this case goku surpasses by a long shot

    • @horrotalesans5312
      @horrotalesans5312 Рік тому +2

      dragon ball not only goku

    • @Youngsickbacchus
      @Youngsickbacchus Рік тому +2

      Nah that only works if youre in a verse like fireforce where being ftl causes your atoms to dissamble. The reason that is is bc gojos powers dont work past an atomic level and if you’re no longer even as big as an atom he can’t stop you. However considering gokus speed is past infinite and his ki can spread across multiple infinite universe sized bodies, he will still just blitz and kill gojo through infinity. But to do it at ftl you’d essentially have to be shinra from fireforce lol

    • @shib4831
      @shib4831 Рік тому

      That is not true, bro wasnt not listen 💀

    • @firdanharbima6997
      @firdanharbima6997 Рік тому

      eh he mostly predict time stop

    • @ManuelGranger
      @ManuelGranger Рік тому

      Goku is t faster than the speed of light the db universe simply doesn't have a speed limit, it's simple math really

  • @blank6460
    @blank6460 Рік тому +17

    Further more, goku has been shown to somehow be able to become faster than time it self, as shown when he was able to move in hit's time skip, so even if gojo's ability managed to effect goku, wouldn’t he just bust through it?

    • @ManuelGranger
      @ManuelGranger Рік тому

      With the pile of trash that is dragon ball physics in mind, any type of scaling outside its own verse is just futile, like how do you just make Goku faster than light, that not possible, how does your characters speed scaling, fall apart with 1 equation

    • @khulmach9662
      @khulmach9662 Рік тому

      Goku was never faster than time, he just broke Hit's time barrier. We can clearly see that Hit has that barrier thing around when he manipulates time.
      All Goku did was exceed the limit of energy it can be around twice.
      If someone like Dio stopped time, Goku will be stopped every time for 9 seconds
      If Rimuru stopped time, Goku will be stopped.
      Any character with real domination over time(meaning time itself, no tool) Goku cannot do jack.

    • @blank6460
      @blank6460 Рік тому

      @@khulmach9662 fair enough

    • @saadaden7769
      @saadaden7769 9 місяців тому

      ​@@khulmach9662hit put Jiren in time prison and Jiren broke the through vados said hit possesses the ability to transcend time and everyone was shocked and Goku beated that jiren he basically beated the one who time couldn't even bent.

    • @khulmach9662
      @khulmach9662 9 місяців тому

      @@saadaden7769 Hit has no power over time, only manipulation.
      If Dio or Rimuru stopped time, Jiren would remain frozen. Hits power is directly connected to his own strength.
      All it showed was Jiren is stronger than Hit.

  • @ashgamerz7394
    @ashgamerz7394 9 місяців тому

    Bro, the music in the background makes the video sound like a rap. I love it. Keep up the good work, guys.

  • @good_dominic4995
    @good_dominic4995 Рік тому

    Rlly well edited vid and good points

  • @powerlevelsxaming
    @powerlevelsxaming Рік тому +98

    Goatku godstomps fodderjo and his absolute fodder verse

    • @gregkareem9824
      @gregkareem9824 Рік тому +28

      Fax goku base is slamming that overrated fodder

    • @zaconmacon565
      @zaconmacon565 Рік тому

      ​@@Aikuu1all gojo fans are illiterate

    • @zaconmacon565
      @zaconmacon565 Рік тому

      @@mihaiadrian5999 your fav anime can't win in a fight so you try to compare the quality. Gtfoh bozo 💀

    • @DragonBallDetroit
      @DragonBallDetroit Рік тому +12

      ​@Mihai Adrian Z was a good anime but afterwards it's kinda eh

    • @knxetics610
      @knxetics610 Рік тому +7

      @Mihai Adrian jjk is not that good, your overrating it so dam much. hop of the tip and exept reality dragon ball is better

  • @jaidenlebrun8002
    @jaidenlebrun8002 Рік тому

    Bro the editing and music in this is goated 🔥

  • @garouthedemon7401
    @garouthedemon7401 Рік тому +1

    Wow the editing thought this was a big name channel definitely deserve more subs

  • @calebstephan2083
    @calebstephan2083 Рік тому +4

    People are also forgetting that Goku also broke out of a similar infinite dimension attack by hit in their rematch on earth. he broke out of it by simply releasing a shit ton of ki in every direction. Not to mention he can move in hits time stop. People also forget that hax can literally be bypassed by dragon ball character simply by powerful up. Saiyan's have a ridiculous growth rate. Do you remember how strong the Saiyan's in the tournament of power got in just 40 minutes ?

  • @bmxgu2361
    @bmxgu2361 Рік тому +31

    It doesn't even matter if Goku is that fast. as long as he can use an attack that teleports or manifests inside Gojo he's good because that doesn't have to pass through infinity. Gojo is not as hard to beat as some people think. It's just that in his own verse not many people have such abilities to counter him so he stands above the rest with his crazy powers

    • @Nex-fw8km
      @Nex-fw8km Рік тому

      Fr infinity is OD as an ability

    • @Youngsickbacchus
      @Youngsickbacchus Рік тому

      Ong sasuke stomps that nigga with amenotajikara

    • @khulmach9662
      @khulmach9662 Рік тому +1

      Infinity is always on, Goku cannot ignore it by teleporting close to Gojo. There is always distance in space, even on an atomic level and Goku cannot teleport to the point of removing that distance at such a small level.
      Goku also cannot teleport inside people.

    • @Youngsickbacchus
      @Youngsickbacchus Рік тому +1

      @@khulmach9662 teleport directly in front of gojo, hakai, gg. Even if the infinity was powerful or massive enough to stop goku, which it isn’t, he can literally just erase it and gojo from existence. No reversed cursed technique will prevent that, shit immortality didn’t prevent it

    • @bmxgu2361
      @bmxgu2361 Рік тому

      @@khulmach9662 Your right. Looking back i disagree with my take. I hadn't read DBZ yet then, but now I have. I assumed Goku had an attack that wasn't a projectile but rather that he could summon in a particular location (like teleporting an attack into Gojo), but I now know he can't. So yeah I don't think Goku can't hurt Gojo. But my point in the comment was that as long as you have a remote attack that can just manifest within gojo's body it passes infinity since it never was travelling towards Gojo in the first place, it just materialized within him. Someone like Yami from Black Clover could do this. Or the same thing was done to kill Espada 2 in Bleach.

  • @Hakugarawe
    @Hakugarawe Рік тому

    this was very entertaining :3

  • @sariandoesstuff3587
    @sariandoesstuff3587 Рік тому +14

    Great vid
    Nice points aswell
    Tho I would like to ask
    What would happen if
    The infinite void domain was cast and then gojo somehow used hollow purple

    • @makotomurazakieng6219
      @makotomurazakieng6219 Рік тому +10

      goku has ui, he wouldn't be affected by infinite amount of information since he would empty his mind, hollow purple, golden frieza tanked hakai and hakai can erase non tangible being like ghost, it works at a 4D scale and frieza casually tanked it, hollow purple works in 3D so even that won't work

    • @effulgentberyl8722
      @effulgentberyl8722 Рік тому +8

      Even if the domain worked on goku, Goku has survived a stronger matter erasure blast, the hakai lol. So it wouldn't do much. Plus It wasn't even able to kill Hanami so It would not work on Goku.

    • @sariandoesstuff3587
      @sariandoesstuff3587 Рік тому +1

      @@makotomurazakieng6219 understandable . thanks

    • @half_plastic2367
      @half_plastic2367 9 місяців тому

      @makotomurazakieng6219
      So you mean Goku is already in UI when he gets trapped in DE? Why do you think DE can't nulify UI because it's trick is exactly in overfilling you with info? And if you meant that Goku will get into UI after he is trapped in DE, that is not possible.
      I don't think Gojo needs anything other than the Domain, he could just let Goku rot in it untill his head explodes or sth.

  • @kingpharoahgaming466
    @kingpharoahgaming466 Рік тому +7

    Considering that Dragon Ball has made it a literal thing that power beats hax if Goku was to be in any situation where he'd get trapped and stuff, he could just use his power to beat whatever trapped him unless the person is way more powerful than him. Not just that, if it would work he could just do what both Vegeta and Gotenks did. That being either screaming to get out of a entirely different dimension or just be vegeta and power up so much that it ruptures whatever domain he's in and it collapses it and he's now broken free from it. (Vegeta broke the room of spirit of time via powering up to SSB and thats a different dimension. Also Goku is stronger than Vegeta so this would work.)

  • @G_Scaling
    @G_Scaling Рік тому +30

    The problem with Gojo's infinity is that it selects automatically what gets through ( like Oxygen for example which is needed ) and what doesn't.
    The way his barrier selects what gets through and what doesn't is following these categories:
    - Speed
    - Mass
    - Shape
    - Levels of threat depending on amount of cursed energy used.
    The current limit for Gojo's infinity barrier at which it can detect opponents and stop them in their track in relativistic+ ( high balled).
    This means any character that is FTL can speedblitz Gojo since his barrier can't detect them in time and stop them in their paths.
    Before anyone says : " But Gojo is constantly surrounded by infinite distance" .
    This would be contracting Gojo's explanation which says that his infinity selects where to apply itself when needed.
    This will also create a problem as if he had infinite distance between him and everything all the time , this would lead to his asphyxiation. This means ( as his explanation tell us ) that some things don't get filtered whereas other things ( like attacks and massive objects for example coming at Gojo ) do get filtered.
    Also saying there's no limit to the detection speed of his infinity would be a NLF statement.
    Plus his infinity has presented problems and limits in the past.
    All and all great video ofc and good work on the debate but I just wanted to add some extra info to his infinity that some people forget about.

    • @toshiro_sama
      @toshiro_sama Рік тому +5

      That doesn’t work under sba where both characters would already be aware of their opponent. It would be very weird if the infinity doesn’t sort goku as a threat even tho gojo has already sorted goku as a opponent.

    • @G_Scaling
      @G_Scaling Рік тому +2

      @@toshiro_sama True but the activation of his barrier still relies on speed and how fast the barrier can perceive enemies.
      Even then his barrier does the selection for him now.
      There's no proof that the barrier can ve both passive and active whenever Gojo wants.
      But even then , whether it's Gojo or his barrier , they still have to let things like oxygen through, so the selective method is still applied.
      Meaning filtering things in terms of speed, mass etc...
      All and all Until Gojo's shows he can , the prood and his explanation of infinity points to no for the moment

    • @G_Scaling
      @G_Scaling Рік тому

      @@toshiro_sama Also Gojo applying infinity before the fight so that goku doesn't speedblitz goku against sba.
      If the fight starts without him having an infinite distance then he gets speedblitzed.
      And him applying infinite distance before the fight starts is the only way he can stop him

    • @toshiro_sama
      @toshiro_sama Рік тому +4

      @@G_Scaling the barrier is always there but its just the automatic functionality of the infinity has to sort who’s gonna be bypassing the space or who’s not. But yeah the main point is if gojo is conscious aware of goku being a target through this line of reasoning its safe to say the Infinity which work’s independent of gojo’s consciousness would also have already sort someone like goku from the get-go since thats how sba fights go for most parts.

    • @G_Scaling
      @G_Scaling Рік тому

      @@toshiro_sama Even if it did sort Goku then Goku can stil fire a KI blast via a barrage.
      The barrier would then have to still perceive the speed of the KI which is too fast for Gojo.
      Meaning 1000 ki blasts would have to be sort by his barrier which is too much and too fast for both
      Not to mention than even if gojo knows Goku is a theeat , the barrier can only filter goku the moment the fight starts. This means Goku can still speedblitz since before the barrier makes the decision.
      Knowing Goku is an enemy doesn't guarantee activating in time to stop him.
      Gojos barrier can only start functioning when the fight starts via sba

  • @emperorike6623
    @emperorike6623 Рік тому

    This video is a phat W for the analysis fr

  • @Will-mp1st
    @Will-mp1st Рік тому

    found a diamond in the rough with this one!
    keep it up

  • @dapzzi586
    @dapzzi586 Рік тому +7

    How are people still struggling to grasp this concept
    GOKU SOLOS
    It doesn’t matter if the story is meh and you like something else
    DB characters are sneezing and flicking their fingers to DESTROY PLANETS
    I just don’t get why everyone doesn’t just agree Goku solos.

  • @lemonkesgruncle2469
    @lemonkesgruncle2469 Рік тому +9

    for goku speed, the afterlife is infinite in size and the macrocosm is said to be so big that a infinite universe is so small that it disapears when comoared to it, now if you use the other world tournament (anime continuity) that give base goku infinite speed, kid buu was stated to be able to destroy the universe (everything inside it) which would give kid boo infinite speed as well as buu arc ssj3 goku since they are equal.

    • @lemonkesgruncle2469
      @lemonkesgruncle2469 Рік тому

      @@WeHoldBread 1. the afterlife infinite in size and afterlife tournament goku went from grand kais planet to hell in a matter of minutes that infinite speed, kid buu was going to destroy everything in universe 7 that infinite speed, the entire ui omen 3 an mui goku vs finght happend in 2 seconds, either way mui goku has inaccesible speed you're counter is shit.

    • @lemonkesgruncle2469
      @lemonkesgruncle2469 Рік тому +2

      @@WeHoldBread I don't use hit because the manga already explained his time skip technique if I remember correctly

    • @kevinmartin8394
      @kevinmartin8394 9 місяців тому

      ​@@WeHoldBreadCorrect me if I'm wrong. Wasn't goku able to escape a black hole when he was new in the super sand. And wasn't it, king Kyle? That stated after goku fought hit for the first time. That goku is pushing himself into the future. Basically, goku does not have infinite speed. He has something better he has inaccessible speed at the least in base form. He is fought people that were too fast for him to use his instant transmission because they would follow him through it. And yet goku was able to outpace them physically without instant transmission.

    • @kevinmartin8394
      @kevinmartin8394 9 місяців тому

      And correct me wrong again, please do. So goku's a lot stronger right now than he was in the tournament of power, right?

    • @kevinmartin8394
      @kevinmartin8394 9 місяців тому

      ​@@WeHoldBreadWasn't Jerry and the Gray. frozen in a time bubble. That was stated to freeze him in time. And yet, without being powered up. His strength was stated to surpass time and space. And at this point in the comic, goku could completely body that version of You're in the Gray. let alone what happened in the tournament of power.

  • @ab-hx8qe
    @ab-hx8qe Рік тому +1

    Damn this was fire

  • @bigdaddydinosaurdonebydi3380

    i was just listening to him rap with the music, loved it

  • @danktank3607
    @danktank3607 Рік тому +8

    Goku’s speed is massively downplayed here. The world of void is stated to not have time so everyone in the ToP has inaccessible speed meaning Goku could just walk through Gojo’s infinity with ease.

    • @HeavyWeaponsGuy3
      @HeavyWeaponsGuy3 7 місяців тому

      still a lowball lol Goku has infinite speed/ immeasurable speed because of the tping inside kai realm and traveling through it

    • @danktank3607
      @danktank3607 7 місяців тому

      @@HeavyWeaponsGuy3 afterlife has time. Multiple plot points in the saiyan saga require it to have time otherwise it creates massive plot holes. But you are correct that he should realistically have immeasurable speed by this point.

  • @liklik7490
    @liklik7490 Рік тому +10

    If you put anyone against Goku, they need to be at least relatively close to him in strength, speed and/or durability because if they aren't they just can't beat him. He just speed blitz's or tanks everything they throw at him and one shots them even if they have super hax like gojo.

    • @Indivisions0
      @Indivisions0 Рік тому

      What they fail to understand is goku has infinite hax

    • @miftahuljannat3050
      @miftahuljannat3050 11 місяців тому

      @@Indivisions0he really doesn’t 💀 all he has is his strength and ki attacks

    • @srlogtozip8108
      @srlogtozip8108 9 місяців тому

      ​@@miftahuljannat3050he has a lot of hax tho

    • @miftahuljannat3050
      @miftahuljannat3050 9 місяців тому

      @@srlogtozip8108 like what?

    • @srlogtozip8108
      @srlogtozip8108 9 місяців тому

      @@miftahuljannat3050 Mafuba
      UI
      Instant Transmission
      Telekenisis
      Hakai
      Ki Suppression (Makes you Unsensable)
      Immobilization? (In DBS Broly he used it in SSG)

  • @siegemaster67
    @siegemaster67 Рік тому

    Use this formant of thumbnail and presentation. It's sick, lends some nice flair for extra credibility and whathaveyous.
    Besides that, absolutely sick vid

  • @justcallmebeety
    @justcallmebeety 8 місяців тому +1

    What is the song used in this video? It’s amazing.

  • @yeahman6907
    @yeahman6907 Рік тому +11

    I always figured that even if Goku somehow was caught inside of the "Universe domain expansion" he would simply sense for Gojo's ki within it. Regardless of how it works, whether it be an illusion and he physically senses where he is in front of him, or he searches the entirety of the universe domain in an instant to find Gojo within it and attack him that way.
    Or even simpler launch an attack that destroys the universe domain, which would heavily fall in line with dragonball's story telling.

    • @TheTaintedOne
      @TheTaintedOne Рік тому +2

      Should say "life energy" or "life force" since characters outside of DB shouldn't have "ki energy"

    • @khulmach9662
      @khulmach9662 Рік тому +1

      Dragon Ball has nothing compared to the stuff of Universal Void, there is nothing Goku can do if it actually hits him.
      As Dragon ball shown in the Cell saga with Goku's heart disease, he is still a dude with Flesh organs to limit him.
      Goku's power does not matter in Gojo's domain.

    • @TheTaintedOne
      @TheTaintedOne Рік тому +2

      @@khulmach9662 just because he almost died to a heart disease which no amount of strength can physically combat against, don't mean he can be affected by gojo. As of now, he's powerful enough to withstand universal or multiversal punches

    • @khulmach9662
      @khulmach9662 Рік тому

      @@TheTaintedOne Infinite void is information that directly fills up the targets brain, Goku has no defense against that.
      Its one of the weaknesses of flesh being targeted. Goku's power does not matter, its not an attack. Its basically getting information and no amount of raw power stops your body from receiving information.

    • @half_plastic2367
      @half_plastic2367 9 місяців тому +1

      Once Goku is inside the Domain the can't even think straight, he can't move. He would just exist untill he wouldn't anymore.

  • @ryans244
    @ryans244 Рік тому +3

    learning physics to powerscale anime character🗿

  • @GodlyGoku101
    @GodlyGoku101 Рік тому +1

    yo what music did you use for this video, its absolute heat

  • @adeadavenger5824
    @adeadavenger5824 Рік тому +1

    Goat video

  • @abhaypatel605
    @abhaypatel605 Рік тому +15

    Goku even in Z has infinite speed, he crossed heaven while causally talking to pikon in 2 minutes without trying, the Daizenshu states that heaven is infinite. And super goku could move in the eraser timeline where literally nothingness exists giving him inaccessible speed, and Blake kaioken goku against hit had reached immeasurable speed as king Kai says that goku was moving slightly forward in time while fighting hit, this is when he was getting examined by him after the universe 6 tournament arc, you can see for yourself in any clip. So goku reaches the low levels of immeasurable speed and this was in blue kaioken times 10 against hit. Now imagine TOP ui and manga goku, he would definitely be higher in immeasurable speed.
    Conclusion : Z goku can bypass infinity with infinite speed and one shot him.
    Edit : after lots of scaling, goku blinks gojo to death and it’s not close even in the slightest, naruto just likely beats gojo and I’m not exaggerating.

    • @kikitori2413
      @kikitori2413 Рік тому

      No, goku from dbs has not infinite speed, gas and whis take a finite time at maximum speed to get to a planet

    • @Zeno1781
      @Zeno1781 Рік тому +2

      @@kikitori2413 the thing is the universe is infinite
      Them taking a finite time to cross the infinite universe would make them infinite speed

    • @kikitori2413
      @kikitori2413 Рік тому +1

      @@Zeno1781 no because even if the universe is infine if you move from point X to Y it does not mean that you travel an infinite distance, because the universe is infinite, not the distance to all planet
      And no, universe is not infinite, never stated in the manga, bulma and og73 confirms that it has an edge

    • @agilraj1145
      @agilraj1145 Рік тому +1

      ​@@kikitori2413 actually infinite zamasu has the power is so great that hr can go through different timelines and vegeta said the stronger you are the faster you are bassically if you can blow up a galaxy you can move speeds fast enough to travel the galaxy
      And goku is far stronger then infinite zamasu
      Making him immeasurable speed

    • @agilraj1145
      @agilraj1145 Рік тому +1

      ​@@kikitori2413 actually said in guides that the universe is infinite and infinite expanding
      Proving the universes is easily infinite

  • @Aj-B44
    @Aj-B44 Рік тому +5

    It wouldn’t even be a fair fight 💀

  • @Sinrix
    @Sinrix Рік тому +1

    People tend to lowball time as a power, to fully grasp and understand what infinity is you must look at what a black hole does, a black hole separates every part of your being if you’re not in motion, such as ripping you apart or destroying yourself, if you could control space and time, you have the ability to tear away at someone’d entire being of existence by simply holding them still and with his infinite information, would make goku go mad but put him in such a location to be held still and thus either causing him to tear himself to nothing or exploding, it’s pretty fucked if you use real life science into the equation of this situation, sure they never really do what i’m saying but that is simply because people writing characters and their abilities never really fully understand every possibility of something, to give an analogy, just because someone can control fire doesn’t mean the writer understands what that could entirely entail besides flames, could you control radiation as well? Since you could control the sun? Could you forge a solid sword made of fire since fire hot enough becomes solid such as the core to the earth? The problem with trying to input every logic and reasoning into situations just makes it a mess

  • @Guns66
    @Guns66 9 місяців тому +1

    What do you guys scale Gojo as with the release of these recent chapters. Do you guys think he is stronger now or still same scaling?

    • @HeavyWeaponsGuy3
      @HeavyWeaponsGuy3 7 місяців тому

      he is city level lol he is a fodder

    • @Guns66
      @Guns66 7 місяців тому

      @@HeavyWeaponsGuy3 Interesting

    • @kingyosha379
      @kingyosha379 6 місяців тому

      bro got sliced in half

  • @Jayhernandez-zg7dh
    @Jayhernandez-zg7dh Рік тому +4

    I didn’t see no one miss lmaooo thank you for actually debunking this dumb argument Goku solos

  • @waltersullivan2727
    @waltersullivan2727 Рік тому +3

    Gojo’s best shot would be to actually trap Goku in his domain expansion and hope it has some effect on Goku. But Goku could honestly probably overpower it before it ramped up. He overpowered Hit’s time-skip and his separate dimension.
    I honestly think hollow purple would have zero effect as well even if it hit directly too. We’ve seen Goku survive the hakai sphere in base. Then we’ve seen Vegeta completely overpower it before vs God Toppo.

    • @ManuelGranger
      @ManuelGranger Рік тому +2

      Wdym "before it ramped up" theres no ramping up it's instant, you get hit with infinite information instantly,

    • @HeavyWeaponsGuy3
      @HeavyWeaponsGuy3 7 місяців тому

      actually the sure hit effect activates after 0.2 seconds nevertheless even if the domain is used Goku can use UI without thinking which makes DE not a big threat

    • @freddmonster8769
      @freddmonster8769 7 місяців тому

      ​@@ManuelGranger Lol no, if it is true, explain why the ordinary human surviving after 0.2s in the domain.

    • @ManuelGranger
      @ManuelGranger 7 місяців тому

      ​@@freddmonster8769 so after 0.001 seconds, you get like a few days of information maybe, maybe a week, thats not something you brush off, thats gonna stun you at least for 0.5 more seconds, and in those 0.5 more seconds ur gonna get a year of information, and thats gonna stun you for whatever more time and it keeps getting worse, this extends to infinity or as far down as 0.0000001 seconds

    • @pandibbarman
      @pandibbarman 6 місяців тому

      ​@@ManuelGrangerInfinite void doesn't fills the opponents brain with infinite information, it actually traps the opponent into doing a same thing again and again infinite time. It's like i am about to say apple but i am stuck saying aaaaaaaaaaa for infinite amount of time due to which I am not able to move and that's how infinite void works. It's a misconception that it fills the opponents brain with infinite information. Lol

  • @maxmustermann2908
    @maxmustermann2908 Рік тому +1

    dude what pls give the name of the music you are using

  • @jordanglasper1064
    @jordanglasper1064 Рік тому

    Just subscribed notifications bell on!!!

  • @onyx6774
    @onyx6774 Рік тому +8

    i agree with pretty much everything here, the only difference is that in my case i put the lowest of lowest lowball of Goku to 5D, it would just be a worse match up for Gojo
    Gojo:This is infinity you will never be able to-
    Goku:*Punches through it*
    Gojo: oh Hell no

    • @GeometryDashSlowkeyy
      @GeometryDashSlowkeyy Рік тому

      yea

    • @PrincessToken
      @PrincessToken Рік тому

      Goku can't just punch threw mathematical concepts. He needs to be low outerversal to do that.

    • @GeometryDashSlowkeyy
      @GeometryDashSlowkeyy Рік тому

      @@PrincessToken yet Goku's breaking through mathematical concepts and speedblitzing people who transcends mathematical concepts

    • @PrincessToken
      @PrincessToken Рік тому

      @@GeometryDashSlowkeyy Retard, mathematical concepts scale to low outer. Transcending them scale to outer, you just said Goku is outerversal.

    • @GeometryDashSlowkeyy
      @GeometryDashSlowkeyy Рік тому

      @@PrincessToken u dumbass, time is LITERALLY A MATHEMATICAL CONCEPT, and Goku IS FUCKING BREAKING IT LIKE IT'S NOTHING

  • @yujirohamna2430
    @yujirohamna2430 Рік тому +3

    Powerscaling is really irrelevant because when these storys are written, they are not written for the feat itself, but for the narrative. This is why Goku's actual feats of durability, speed, and strength almost never line up with the calculations power scalers. Also, these terms thrown around like 4th and 5th dimensional is actually extremely irrelevant. When you study up on what higher dimensions even are, it's actually a non point because what dimension you sit on simply affects your perspective of how things look and interact. It's not time or space, lol. That being said, if we take these characters out of their narrative and put them in a 1v1, Goku would definitely slap regardless, lol.

    • @ntrantagonist5773
      @ntrantagonist5773  Рік тому

      feats are literally a part of the narrative, what are you smoking LMFAO.

    • @yujirohamna2430
      @yujirohamna2430 Рік тому +2

      @NTR Antagonist not really. Again, it all depends on the author's intent. I would argue that feats actually matter in Western media as the writers oftentimes try and quantify feats by explaining the science behind it. They also tend to try and keep a level of consistency moving forward. In terms of a series like dragonball. When you guys calculate said feats shown, the numbers are good. However, the writers, animators, and authors rarely take the numbers into consideration and do things that wouldn't support any of it. For example, god goku clashing with Beerus set the bar so high early in the series that having Frieza blow up earth and kill Vegeta in the next arc makes no narrative sense because of the level of durability a weaker Goku displayed. It was so bad that it led to the argument that Vegeta died in space because he couldn't breathe, which is also extremely silly because that means Vegeta couldn't last any more than about 3 minutes in space. Meanwhile, we saw Beerus throw a base Goku into space while trying to investigate Zamasu. Kinda leads me to believe that the battle of gods movie was the true canon. But DragonBall Super's narrative makes it hard to even tell who is stronger than who at times unless it's blatantly stated. Its almost as if the whole concept of power levels as far as we've come to understand them dont matter anymore, and the only real separation now is gods vs mortals.

    • @ntrantagonist5773
      @ntrantagonist5773  Рік тому +1

      @Yujiro Hamna if goku blew up a planet, the feat is literally in the story, it's part of the narrative. There's no ifs, ands or buts about it😭. An authors intent doesn't matter more than what the story actually ends up implying.

    • @yujirohamna2430
      @yujirohamna2430 Рік тому +1

      @NTR Antagonist except 99% of Goku and Vegeta's feats aren't from them actually doing the feat themselves. Its people scaling how they do against characters of often have or can do x feat. Intent is equally as important because implications don't always equal what actually is. And more iften than not, we are given things the conflict with implications. As a matter of fact, intent is more important because these writers aren't masters of physics or math experts. They have clear boundaries they try and set. The problem is how they express said action on paper.

    • @ntrantagonist5773
      @ntrantagonist5773  Рік тому +1

      ​@@yujirohamna2430 so???? none of that changes the fact the feats are in the narrative, Goku and vegeta being able to exert enough energy to combat such energy is IN THE NARRATIVE, a part of the story. And intent only matters prior to release, once it's been release you can't change the implications of what you put on paper. All the intent can do is change your own subjective thoughts on what happened, it doesn't change what's objectively on the paper, and therefore doesn't change how people will interpret what they read. The only way you as a writer can influence a readers interpretation is by either adding more or verbally telling us things, but that second one isn't actually a change to the narrative, it's us CHOOSING to view it the way you wanted. If I kill someone, all my intent can do is change people's subjective views of my act, it doesn't change the fact I've killed someone.
      And for the record, most "contradictions" aren't actually even contradictions, as the narrative has explanations for why those things are that way. From Ki control to energy range, to energy volume.
      If you're gonna continue this join the discord server, reading paragraphs is getting annoying and useless when those paragraphs add nothing

  • @rayanrfiy3284
    @rayanrfiy3284 Рік тому +1

    07:00 an infinite amount of 0s is not equal to zero but an indeterminate form, so that point does not apply against infinity therefore, mathematically, we wouldn't know the outcome of goku approaching gojo's infinity

  • @lohanmangaka
    @lohanmangaka Рік тому

    How do you do that edit for smoother animations

  • @wb67u
    @wb67u Рік тому +6

    Daddy Goku still solos 😂

  • @ravemasterharu
    @ravemasterharu Рік тому +4

    Goku Vs Gojo!!!!Goku takes this why??? because Gojos powers in terms if rules is enough to see that against Goku it aint even close!!!! Proof!!!! JJK episode 7 where Gojo explains how his powers work and by extension every power or tech in the verse which is the efficiency of a tech or power is DEPENDENT HEAVILY ON CURSE ENERGY LEVEL. Case and point Jugos domain was overwhelmed by Gojos domain which is powered by curse energy and beat his ass with it. Evidence 2 Yuji punched mahitos domain because as nanami explains the CE output is greater inside than the outside.
    Now Imagine Goku someone who is shaking an infinite void just by being there. Meaning everything Gojo can dish out wont do squat. People take Gojos powers at face value but not the rules that comes with it. Mind you I do not even use DB lore yet just JJKs set of established rules. GOjo cant even stand next to Gokus aura to be honest. A simple invisible KI blast and fight is over.

    • @khulmach9662
      @khulmach9662 Рік тому +1

      Nanami literally says its basically impossible to break out of a domain but its different to go inside.

    • @ravemasterharu
      @ravemasterharu Рік тому

      @@khulmach9662 to me that is why its so HAX but dont foget that even hax abilities have conditions in this case as stated and shown by Gojo sure you can say it is a hard nut to crack even impossible because of its attributes but condition wise wise every hax has limits granted not the conventional ones. In this case CE levels

    • @khulmach9662
      @khulmach9662 Рік тому +1

      @@ravemasterharu No, its impossible because the person you are fighting is trying to kill you and the insides are larger than the outside, as well more reinforced.

    • @ravemasterharu
      @ravemasterharu Рік тому

      @@khulmach9662 even if that is true it does not invalidate the ENERGY LEVEL REQUIRENENT!!!! Unless you say that Both Gojo and Nanami are just talking out if their ass? I believe they are not!!!!2, Later on In the fight in Shivuya Gojo increased his CE level output for his limitless tech which further proves my point. Now Imagine fighting against a multi universal being aka Goku? Island to country level Gojo versus a Multi Universal Goku? do the math? Me however its clear Goku will destroy Gojo with little to no diff!!!!

    • @khulmach9662
      @khulmach9662 Рік тому +1

      @@ravemasterharu In Shibuya, all Gojo did was a .2 domain expansion and crush Hanami.
      Goku would destroy Gojo, if he could touch him.

  • @sonickiller2381
    @sonickiller2381 Рік тому

    just for this im subbing

  • @niftyscrusade4291
    @niftyscrusade4291 Рік тому +1

    gonna need the name of that song yo.

  • @cloudy6711
    @cloudy6711 Рік тому +3

    Gojo can also read minds but goku would still win

    • @Dumbo-zx7oc
      @Dumbo-zx7oc Рік тому +8

      I’m pretty sure goku can do the same tho remeber in the sayian saga when he talks to krillin in his mind

    • @bxvin9788
      @bxvin9788 Рік тому

      gojo can't read minds

    • @cloudy6711
      @cloudy6711 Рік тому

      @@bxvin9788 yes he can in episode 2 when megumi thinks “while I was fighting he was out buying souvenirs?” Or something like that. Then gojo responds to his thoughts

    • @armin7321
      @armin7321 Рік тому

      @@cloudy6711 is there anymore feats of him doing it? otherwise this wouldnt count.

    • @cloudy6711
      @cloudy6711 Рік тому

      @@armin7321 there aren’t but I think the people making jjk just forgot about it since this seems like an intentional addition

  • @VoidBornHuman
    @VoidBornHuman Рік тому

    can you do a race between Manga Goku and Game Sonic

  • @DomiEE
    @DomiEE 8 місяців тому

    ‘Infinity doesn’t matter if space itself is cut’

  • @ImagineBeingCxrsed
    @ImagineBeingCxrsed 9 місяців тому +2

    It was actually stated that goku and beerus battle was super dimensional and that the after life which is in the u7 macrocosm is beyond the concept of space and time and also for speed feats in the manga granolah was faster then instant transmission and goku then surpassed him multible times giving goku immesurable speed but even so in the buu saga goku traveled through hell which is said to be infinite in size making him have infinite speed in his base form in the buu saga he was also shaking the entire infinite void with in the top with by just powering up and it was also stated that he could collaps it (the infinite void is also infinite and beyond space and time which is even higher than the after life only being beyond the concept of space and time) so instead of goku being high multiversal with a few trillions of times faster than light speed he is actually complex multi with immesurable speed (also ssb gogeta and broly broke reality with mui being as strong if not stronger than ssb gogeta) so thats also an factor of goku being complex multi

  • @batguy39
    @batguy39 Рік тому +1

    My man 🤝

  • @malcolmtorres6309
    @malcolmtorres6309 Рік тому

    Big W !!

  • @honeybeeisgoat
    @honeybeeisgoat Рік тому

    ik this is not the right video, but; goku vs saitama INCLUDING EXPO SCALING. any thoughts?

  • @riotweak
    @riotweak 8 місяців тому

    out of topic but what’s the music in the video?

  • @Reuraku
    @Reuraku 7 місяців тому

    I'm noticing a lot of comments that seem to assume this fight would automatically be in the Dragon Ball universe with the Dragon Ball rules saying things like: "The thing about Dragon ball that most people seem to ignore or forget, is that with enough power you can just outright ignore other powers or hax." or "Also something I feel is forgotten is that in dragon ball power pretty much determines everything, if you’re stronger your abilities work to a greater extent and through raw power a lot of hax abilities are ignored." why is it in this fight of people from different worlds does one worlds rules take precedent? especially when most people seem to think the person from that world has an overwhelming advantage.
    Something I think would be a more interesting argument is get ride of the power rules all argument that Dragon Ball has and most shows have done away with in favor of creativity, like nen from hunterxhunter, or jutsu from Naruto, or curses from Jujutsu, or quirks from MHA. The argument them becomes can Goku counter/avoid Gojo without simple brute force?
    Honestly by that standard I think Mahito from Jujutsu Kaisen is a more interesting match up since it's more of a can Goku figure out Mahito's ability before his habit of sizing up opponents does him in.

    • @yeikelamores6085
      @yeikelamores6085 5 місяців тому

      The bad thing is that Goku is resistant to the Soul Hax type, so I see no reason to assume that Mahito can affect Goku

  • @mylessmith9758
    @mylessmith9758 7 місяців тому

    @NTR Antagonist aye what’s the name of the beat in the video?

  • @SmallLegsEdits
    @SmallLegsEdits Рік тому

    Thx for some of the scans 💏

  • @Iirxinii
    @Iirxinii Рік тому +2

    JJK people do gotta realize domains don’t work if the opponent is far stk get we seen this happen multiple times

  • @peekochoo5718
    @peekochoo5718 Рік тому

    What's the song playing called?

  • @dreamzzz6609
    @dreamzzz6609 Рік тому

    just wanna ask anyone know whats the bgm? that shits fire 🔥🔥🔥

  • @B_Tank.
    @B_Tank. 7 місяців тому

    Can you do goku versus sukuna

  • @fabletownsavagez9833
    @fabletownsavagez9833 Рік тому +2

    Bro put it like this. (Lowballing here) ssj gotenks from Z flew around earth multiple times and took a nap which happened in split seconds in piccolos point of view. (Beyond ftl feat). Ui omen was stated to shake the infinite void itself just by appearing. Mind you whis stated that the void was infinitely times bigger than the multiverse itself. (All of dbs) That’s a small feat by the way. Not even gonna get into the fact that a z Goku shook hell, earth and heaven all at the same time while fighting Janemba. Which are are stated to all be universes within the macrocosm. Which a god goku and beerus( neither at full power by the way, was stated by both characters in bog and in supers earlier retconned episodes) were about to destroy all of, jus by clashing fists. Bro buuhan was about to collapse the entire dragon ball reality in on itself. Meaning the entire macrocosm was about to get squished because he was embarrassed by vegito, who also by the way, can’t even lift a finger to a suppressed beerus, stated by goku in bog. These are the low ball feats of dragon ball. Let’s not even get into the fact that characters like zamas were only defeatable by dragon balls version of the one above all😂most people don’t understand that most anime’s are laughing stock to dragon ball. Need verses like marvel and dc to compare tbh.

  • @rewriter789
    @rewriter789 Рік тому

    How is this guy at 290 subs he should be at a thousand

  • @shirosatsuma4946
    @shirosatsuma4946 Рік тому +1

    Glad someone who actually has a brain made an objective comparison on this

  • @TGx92
    @TGx92 Рік тому

    Snake Way in this video looks like the ground of Dark Souls lol

  • @obamawasreal0264
    @obamawasreal0264 Рік тому +1

    What's the source and link towards the super dimensional

    • @ntrantagonist5773
      @ntrantagonist5773  Рік тому

      The source is, as I said before, the broly movie anime comic.
      The statement is written twice, once on the cover of the re-release, and once on chapter 6
      Here's a link to the re-release that has that cover jpbookstore.com/en-au/products/dragon-ball-super-broly-anime-comics-shueisha-remix

  • @oneguy9349
    @oneguy9349 Рік тому +1

    People often think that this character is better than Goku because of their hax and complexity in their verse power system compared to the barebones Ki thingy from DB, but something that they don't understand is that the Ki system is all about asspulling and manipulate your aura to solve problem in the most brute force way possible. Best example: Gotenks and Buu got stuck in another whole dimension with no way to escape, what did they do? Well just scream really, really hard until they open a fucking portal back to their dimension, obviously! DB power system might not be the most clever or complex system ever, but that simplicity is exactly why its the most broken shit ever. Characters don't need that much wits to actually up their opponent, no, they just rises their number really fucking high until their foe dies.

  • @TheGospelGuy
    @TheGospelGuy Рік тому

    Does anyone know the name of the background music that plays at 4:51? Please share, I'd love to know.

  • @joaquinnebrada8604
    @joaquinnebrada8604 Рік тому

    At the start in 30 seconds my man starts rapping

  • @definitelynotamantis4346
    @definitelynotamantis4346 Рік тому +2

    I do think a planetary Gojo is a bit unrealistic since using the black hole stuff it's obvious that a black hole would destroy the planet based simply on how a black hole works.

    • @mervinreyes3008
      @mervinreyes3008 7 місяців тому

      You'd be surprised, don't get me wrong, get it big enough, and we would be eaten, but it has to get that big first; there are some pretty complex physics behind it

    • @HeavyWeaponsGuy3
      @HeavyWeaponsGuy3 7 місяців тому

      in my opinion that’s a high ball Gojo is city level

    • @mervinreyes3008
      @mervinreyes3008 7 місяців тому

      @@HeavyWeaponsGuy3 maybe in raw power but with some smartness applied hed be pretty high up there and for sure at least has one way of taking out a world with his power.
      the same way we could make a black hole.
      do note there are some problems with that as a small one wouldn't eat anything fast enough before it dies

  • @yaboipoleon_2003
    @yaboipoleon_2003 Рік тому +1

    Why do you sound like u rapping just because of the background music

  • @LostEnding_
    @LostEnding_ Рік тому +2

    No one gonna talk about how kid goku hit yamcha so hard he broke the panel

    • @Hallow6262
      @Hallow6262 Рік тому +1

      we save those for Goku v Saitama when they call Saitama a gag character

  • @dripgoku5350
    @dripgoku5350 Рік тому +2

    You can overpower someone's domain expansion, so that means if Goku powers up in there will it break?

    • @vaibhavmadan3542
      @vaibhavmadan3542 Рік тому +1

      most prob yes cause domain expanstions work like poket dimenstions like the htc or the world of void .

    • @SHADOWNESS-
      @SHADOWNESS- Рік тому +2

      Wait can he take over the domain?

    • @dripgoku5350
      @dripgoku5350 Рік тому +1

      @@SHADOWNESS- Yee i think so

    • @ManuelGranger
      @ManuelGranger Рік тому

      Well no because he would just get stunned as soon as physics allow, which is instantly, no character can resist it, as another smart comment said gojo controls the concept of infinity so he could just make an infinity that grows infinity infinitely, that's weird to understand but i forgot the name of the problem but I think one person will understand and say what it's called, as i was saying even if you could hold infinite information, well, you can't, your brain cannot physically hold infinite electrical signals (which are how memories work, you have electrical signals and your brain knows which ones are what) in a finite space, unless your brain is infinite

  • @TrippieMint
    @TrippieMint Рік тому +1

    Just to note space and time are one in the same you cannnot have space without time and vice versa which kind of explains why gojo can do some of the things he does
    Also I would argue goku is much stronger than stated in the video after looking at every cannon source in dragon ball

  • @LordSeraph999
    @LordSeraph999 Рік тому

    Yo, this rap is fire.

  • @CodeSiber
    @CodeSiber Рік тому +1

    See hearing all this I just didn’t understand how one hack was supposed to negate dragon ball feats…it just sucks they rarely show this stuff and rather just claim it!

  • @GHOSTKILLER19
    @GHOSTKILLER19 8 місяців тому

    Whats the music?

  • @GreatApemaniac
    @GreatApemaniac Рік тому +1

    if they transcend dimension's shouldn't they be higher then multiversal mainly sense they can destroy the universe"s with a punch

  • @theauditor3224
    @theauditor3224 Рік тому

    Put equalization on the table
    I wanna see hakai vs hollow purple with mappa animation and just see who dies

  • @KarmaAnims
    @KarmaAnims Рік тому +1

    Anyone know the music used in the vid?

    • @masterDJTJ
      @masterDJTJ Рік тому

      NF Type Beat - Rival by Abyss Productions: ua-cam.com/video/EOOrngQKiac/v-deo.html

  • @jamesoliver4913
    @jamesoliver4913 Рік тому

    The debate is cool but the rap is fire lol 🤣🤣🤣. dude is rapping with the music.

  • @JAG-wg1nm
    @JAG-wg1nm Рік тому

    do goku vs giorno and why goku wins 😼
    also anyone knows what song is in the background

  • @xxxxx270
    @xxxxx270 Рік тому

    how does he only have 103 subs

  • @nookgod8058
    @nookgod8058 Рік тому

    I'm going to ask since no one else will. Where are your calcs?

  • @343JustMe
    @343JustMe Рік тому

    BROTHER YOUR BACKGROUND MUSIC IS *WAAAAAAY* TOO LOUD

  • @harronator-2670
    @harronator-2670 Рік тому +1

    I mean, Kuririn at 14 and Roshi had a fight that was invisible to the average human in the 21st Tenkaichi tourney. Goku was stronger and faster than him at 14. Gojo is physically, without his abilities, basically a normal human, if his domain expansion which is tied to his eyes, and Goku moves faster than visible for a normal human, how can he logically win when goku is a fully grown adult infinitely faster and stronger than he was at 14?