Having Dr. Kirkpatrick on your show is a mistake. He is a proven liar and obfuscator. Do some due diligence on him and you will see. I am not some believer either way, but once someone is shown to be dishonest it's not a "counterpoint" interview. I'm skeptical of Lue, but he has yet to be proven a liar or bad actor.
I have seen a 600-1000 foot black triangle during sunset when it was still daylight out. Was it extraterrestrial was it dimensional which could be angels demons. I don’t know, but it was something. It was too big for us to have built it plus it slowly disappeared on me from one corner to the other in roughly 20 seconds which I think is the propulsion. There is absolutely something to this what it is I don’t know.
Very excited for the Sean Kirkpatrick interview. There are many statements that he needs to clarify. I’m sure you’ve done your research John and will ask those questions.
Hmmm a troll account telling us not to believe Lou, that's odd. Don't troll farms know that NOONE picks first name + last name + 4 digits... as a username. What sane person would pick that, yet every troll account still has that. Nooo not weird at all. If this is a CIA account, hire me and I'll have your troll accounts up to ship shape in no time.
@@extrememiami Are you being sarcastic? I am radically open about my identity in an increasingly anonymous and bot filled Internet. It would take you 5 seconds to Google my name and compare it to e.g. the content on my UA-cam profile.
@@extrememiami How could I possibly be less of a troll account? I display my real name, have videos of myself on my profile, and probably am the only one in the world with this name. Lol.
@@mrln247 Same, cuz he's been caught lying multiple times on camera. Also even if he says he hasn't seen evidence of a crash retrieval program that may be true because he or his office, AARO wouldn't even have the clearance to see the evidence anyways.
Elizonda is a grifter like so many in the UFO community. I used to be a fanatic regarding this topic now due to all the grifters making outlandish statements I seldom listen or watch anything on this topic except this channel and The Black Vault. I think Elizondo is a misinformation agent as he was previously in the intelligence arena. As a used to be fanatic I wanted desperately to believe now I am skeptical of most information put forth by the UFO experts. I dont discount hundreds of thousands of eye witness testimony from all over the world and no one explanation can explain all what these people have seen and heard. I do believe the majority of the people who have witnessed what they said they saw and many stories can't be explained away as illusions mass hysteria or swamp gas. I still believe but will show interst again when there is credible verifiable evidence of a UFO.
I have the same reaction to anyone, in the government or military or not, whatever, when the "truth" of their statements is entirely dependent on their job title. Same with Elizondo or anyone else. Science and reality doesn't give one damn about someone's title or authority. I have no idea what the truth of all this and I'm completely open minded. Hopefully, someday we'll actually know because we have actual evidence that can be scientifically verified for real.
I appreciate you have the guest on, but his answers were vague and evasive. He was filibustering most of the time. Recently, there was a granted FOIA request of AATIP that resulting in 1000 pages of documents. The documents show that the 2017 UAP article had many inaccuracies of titles, names and even the name of the program. Lue worked on AATIP and was a source for that article. How does this happen? If someone that worked on a program does not know basic facts about it, how can we trust his vague statements that he is telling the public?
@@philliprobinson129 The FOIA showed Lue did not even know the basics of the program he worked on. Its like if you said you worked at McWendy's and your boss was a Supreme Court Justice.
@@alchemist3724 he can’t for sure. He’s just talking out of his ass. Literally stupid semantics. Harry Reid stated in an official letter that Lue was a leader in AATIP. No amount of keyboard warrior semantics will change that.
I spent 30 years in the US Army and a lesser amount of time in the Intelligence Community. When I hear Lue, he sounds a lot more like a Soldier than a scientist, trying to conjecture about things most listeners here know more about than Lue does. (The distance to “Alpha Proxima”, General and Special Relativity). When it came to anything concrete he might know from actual experience or special access, he cites classification as to why he can’t talk about it. Whistleblowers talk about things they aren’t supposed to talk about. I have seen sound bytes of him before, but this is the first long form interview. I see a guy trying to hype a past duty assignment to sell books. He’s so melodramatic in the “no kidding, there I was storming the beaches of Normandy” style I’ve heard all my adult life. I wonder if, as required, the Department of Defense reviewed and censored his book prior to its release. Nothing Lue said here convinced me of anything.
he is a mentee of Ric Prado the CIAs cocaine smuggler and pet serial killer who was balls deep in iran-contra. all the corporation cubans in the cia are shifty as shit.
Everything taken independently is unconvincing. Fortunately, we are capable of weighing all the evidence, and that is overwhelming at this point. There is undoubtedly a there there. Good luck!
@undercoverbrother67 exactly, nothing at all. He speaks like a con artist, everything he says is nonsensical word salad. He just says it emphatically enough that it somehow fools people. He's a grifter trying to sell books, that's it.
It's like he's only talking about the stuff he knows instead of making up new shit to keep things interesting. Almost like he's talking about what he knows instead of just making it up
Idk. I feel like a true whistleblower would answer all questions instead of saying he’s not at liberty to. He just gives me to many FED vibes like he’s being told what to tell us.
For me the real question is how Elizondo is able to get away with being so open & high visibility about this-because if what he's saying is true, our government has invested an unimaginable level of time, manpower & resources, for literally the better part of a century, to ensure that the public never learns about their involvement in the UAP phenomenon, and yet he's able to make all of these high-profile public appearances & talk so openly about it, seemingly without any of the sort of real consequences which have prevented whistleblowers from going public in decades past The only way that this makes sense to me is that the guy has been given authorization to talk about these things, in which case he's no longer really a whistleblower blowing the lid off of secrets which our government wants to keep hidden-at that point he's really more of a spokesman doing PR to help shape public opinion & shift the discourse on this issue in whatever direction these secretive elements of our government want the conversation to go
Plenty of folks more tolerable than Lou gave come forward. They can't all be killed or intimidated. I would have rather seen Grusch here over Lou. Lou is a massive asshole
Edward Snowden, actual whistleblower. Lue Elizondo, writes a book, goes on tour, hits up every news channel and podcast without fear of life and liberty, not a whistleblower.
THIS! I mean think of Amy Eskridge and all the other real scientists and whistleblowers who were killed off although they said they have no intention of ending themselves. Elizondo is CIA. Nuff said.
You dont even understand the difference between what Snowden did and what Lue has done. You really don't understand the process at all, so its funny to hear you speak on it.
@@philliprobinson129what exactly had Lue done? He has told some interesting stories, but had provided zero program names, zero actual data. What has he done that Phillip Corso, Arthur Stansel, Bob Lazar, Dr. John Mack haven’t done before him?
Evidence is indeed beyond the particle horizon for Lue. He’s either lying, or he knows where proof exists to show we exist in a “grim” situation and is withholding that (despite his Patriot/warrior claims). His words. So, either way, wtf Lue? Just starting the interview, but I already have a feeling Lue’s people wholly misunderstood this specific audience.
So glad you are keeping this topic in mind and sharing it with your scientists following. It's unfathomably important right now. Unfortunately willful ignorance is very prevalent in mainstream science so thank you John 🙏
In the end, this whole ufo/uap thing is a decent retirement plan. You have a steady crowd of book buyers and interviews lined up, talk shows, etc. It's not the worst retirement plan if you had a former position in the government that is somewhat related and works as a credible "insider" backstory. These discussions are always entertaining to listen to but the content isn't proving or disproving anything, it's a chose-your-own-adventure-game, you either believe it or you don't. Until there's solid evidence, none of this matters and everyone can just claim whatever they feel like sells well. I'm must admit I'm not really too happy about having this on event horizon, more for the sake of the channel than anything else, but it is what it is.
Thanks so much for yet another evening release (CEST). Perfect listening before hitting the sack. As for Elizondo's exposé, it is overly reliant on logical speculation rather than on empirical evidence. You cannot reason your way to evidence, it must present itself.
I am in that category! I can say that the first thing I know is to never transmit my knowledge to people with blue faces and large eyes. Discriminatory, I know. Sorry.
thanks john for covering this, there's nothing wrong with talking about all topics as long as it's with reasonable people, and Lou is that kind of person, I can't wait for the conversation with krirkpactric to hear the other side
I'm really looking forward to this interview I hope John asks some good hard questions because I'm fairly skeptical about all this but I'm also interested enough to be open minded
Hey man, big fan here, love your show! I noticed your voice over audio quality seems impaired in this video - it seems like it’s being over-compressed and has too much high end exciter on it. I’m a pro music producer, so it jumped out at me. Just a heads up!
i would love to give my comment on this but i am very sorry, i am not allowed to talk about this! may you invite me to your show so i could repeat this phrase again and again to every question.
Do you rate Richard Dolan? He's probably one of the most respected names in the the field and he says the Elezondo book is the Real deal and the most important book on the subject in 50 years.
“Sometimes to be a patriot, you have to do things that don’t seem very patriotic” I feel that statement should be handled with the utmost care. Could easily be used for any number of “greater good” acts
I was just thinking of sharing this channel with the "Vetted" channel's community in case they didnt know about it. This will help some people find it I bet. If they some how havent.
Yea that's why i've largely given up on this new modern UFO push. It's always another carrot in the distance, another book to buy, another podcast to listen to. I'm a believer but it's hard to ignore the obvious grifting going on.
@@bandersong4650 fever dream if you are a normie. if you have delved into this rabbit hole we all have the same information but never concise or any solid proof. it's always the same giberish
@@jacobe2995 well at least if it was then it will make it’s way out into the universe at the speed of light. Maybe a big audience out there, somewhere, sometime. 😉
27 years in counterintelligence, DD214 available, DOD Certifications available, retired, unemployable, disabled veteran 100% now... and yes pretty damn bitter at the people and country. That said: If you still had your guests available there would be only three questions to ask and all three involve CAG actions since 1973... their response would validate or refute their claims... short of that, there is nothing there except exceptional programming and a great fan base (which is something awesome) but there is no story. Don't ask what the questions are or the definitions of the acronym, they know but they can not answer because there remains no byeman to facilitate their claims.
less nuts and bolts means less things that can go wrong. if they can somehow cut open and weld shut without any issues using flame or tool. it's gonna change how you design a space ship. imagine being able to remove particles/atoms and replace them once you're done ? heck even sound can maby make things passable (where if you aim at a wall with a certain sound it could make the wall passable as everything pass through you instead of hindering you ) just an example.
@@Shotkangaroo he said I never met with Brandon Fugle I think that’s how you spell it. Then it went to Yes we did, but there was no Skinwalker presentation. It was not about Skinwalker Ranch.. then, Brandon famously puts up the picture of him with the back drop of Skinwalker Ranch with the presentation of what they were talking about and he went to crickets after that. He was caught lying to the public. Remember, this was in Washington when they did this. He is absolutely lying to the public.
Excellent episode! Mr. Elizondo was a fantastic guest-clear, articulate, and thought-provoking. I have so many questions and observations that I hardly know where to start. It seems likely that every word he shared was carefully vetted by the communities he has been or still is a part of. That said, I found myself speculating quite a bit, as there seemed to be a lot of information “between the lines.” For example, he repeatedly refers to our species as Homo sapiens sapiens-almost as if he’s accustomed to making that distinction. It makes me wonder if he’s hinting that the UAPs might be piloted by a species closely related to humans. If they originate from the Proxima Centauri system, they might be called Homo centauriensis sapiens. If they are simply Earth-born humans from the future, Homo sapiens futuris or Homo sapiens temporalis might be more fitting. There were several subtle, specific references like this throughout the interview, though I recognize I might be reading too much into it. Either way, it was a fascinating experience. Mr. Elizondo would make a great recurring guest on the show. Next time, it could be interesting to have the Point-Counterpoint guests on at the same time for a more dynamic discussion. The episode with Avi Loeb and Robin Hanson is one of the best conversations I’ve heard. Granted , it wasn’t exactly point/counterpoint, but that format revealed insights that probably never would’ve been possible in a traditional Q and A. Thanks again for the episode! I’m left with even more questions about the UAP phenomena-perhaps a bit more refined now. Cheers!!
He admits the gov acts in a way that manipulated and controls our emotions in order to maintain power, rather than tell the citizens the truth. Not surprising but sad. Hope humanity can move on from this type of government.
@@benpregent 100% I'm very skeptical. He speaks in a way that assumes many unknowns are a given fact. He immediately jumps to aliens rather than considering any possibility the sightings are military test craft or anything else like that.
Well, John, i film them and can tell you that they OWN THE SKIES. None of you really have an idea of this, but it's true. I do have proof, but it gets nowhere leaving comments in open forum like this. I guess I'll take it if even just one of you believe and try my techniques.
Here is the link... but there is more to the story. These are only ones you can see without zoom and slomo. Use the highest settings in UA-cam so that they are visible. I am busy atm, but I want to share how to film them, so I will be back shortly
The book is interesting. Had to google who he is to believe it. What a career! FYI some of these UAP off the coast of Florida have been reported by pilots to us (ATC). So oddly connected to his story.
I think this guy is a quack. He never answers questions directly and instead start talking about something else, spewing out a lot of words without actually saying anything.
Do we believe the conspiracy theorists that the aliens are watching us, or believe the government the aliens are going to attack so we must unite against them 😆
Can anybody help me track down what he's saying at 44:30 as well as what it means? It appears to me that the first word is "Fata", a Latin word. But I have no clue on the rest, and I'd greatly appreciate anybody's help 😊
I’m a skeptic about uap being from extra terrestrial origins and it’s for reasons I never hear true believers address. The Wright brother’s first flight and the skunkworks blueprint project for the SR71 Blackbird are barely 50 years apart. The level of development , in aerospace technology has exponentially increased and expounded upon itself… Then you think about how the tic-tac UAP present themselves to the military and public. Behaviors perceived as irrational to one person isn’t irrational at all if you place yourself in the mind of a military official. I never hear it pondered, but just think about it. If I’m tasked with gauging reactions I’m going to go about things a certain way. From my own military, geopolitical peers (both friendly and adversarial) and the general public at large. I’m going to shadow my own ships, other militaries ships, etc.. I’m going to only reveal myself when I feel like it. And that being the exact behavior of these UAP is too great of a coincidence for me for me to assume it’s extra terrestrial in origin.
@@obeace4495 The only thing worse, would be a couple of people making comments that didn't really watch a thing but thought they had a point. Now, that? That just be straight up WEIRD. But. Here we are. Odd. But. You have the answers. So. preach on. Don't mind if I smh while you get your notes.
Look at the recent pentagon statement about the Langley Air Force base. Laughable. The country doesn’t have a military, the military has a country. Honest, straightforward transparency would go some ways to mitigate that perception.
@EventHorizonShow Did you chat with Lue between recordings? What's your measure of the man and his claims in particular? He really strikes me as someone who has learned a bunch of talking points to delay answering his wilder claims.
Very happy you got Lue on as a guest. AATIP was an interesting beast (and still is, it exists now under a new name). For Kirkpatrick - don't let him off the hook on the Nimitz incident. AARO really failed to analyse that, missing large amounts of data that the pilotz, nimitz and princeton crews have testified exists. Gotta say: Kirkpatrick comes across like Blue Book volume 2. Good luck!
The US Air Force gave nonhuman intelligent beings access to children living on MacDill AFB in the 1960s and 70s. A Chronovisor like device was being used as well.
I do not know how I've missed this channel because it always comes up as something recommended and I thought it was one of those AI bull crap weird space channels that come out with a bunch of junk. After hearing a few of your videos, your interviews I have subscribed. It really is a good change of peace from the garbage I am usually flooded with.
Thank you. I love hearing both sides. I and my friend saw a giant triangle fly over us silently during the daytime one day and it mesmerized us. I don’t think it was aliens flying it though, but I could be wrong. I just think we have propulsion systems faster and more quiet than we realize.
I completely agreed with your take on BLC 1, there's no reason to think it's a technosignature, I loved your incisive logic and skepticism. But then I see this video and I just feel like the same skepticism is lacking when it comes to UFOs on the channel. Your science videos are fantastic though, really big fan!
Today we revisit the topic of US Government Interest in UFOs/UAPs, with Lue Elizondo.
Next week is a counterpart with Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick.
Lue, AND Sean next week, oh this should be good. I hope Lue has given you some interesting questions to put to Sean, who's retired 😉
No. Dr. Kirkpatrick is a separate interview, not with Lue.
Having Dr. Kirkpatrick on your show is a mistake. He is a proven liar and obfuscator. Do some due diligence on him and you will see. I am not some believer either way, but once someone is shown to be dishonest it's not a "counterpoint" interview. I'm skeptical of Lue, but he has yet to be proven a liar or bad actor.
@@EventHorizonShowI know, I probably should have worded that better
I have seen a 600-1000 foot black triangle during sunset when it was still daylight out. Was it extraterrestrial was it dimensional which could be angels demons. I don’t know, but it was something. It was too big for us to have built it plus it slowly disappeared on me from one corner to the other in roughly 20 seconds which I think is the propulsion. There is absolutely something to this what it is I don’t know.
I clicked so fast I think I violated the conservation of energy AND momentum!
@@rickb06 Ha
I clicked so hard I broke my mouse😅
Very excited for the Sean Kirkpatrick interview. There are many statements that he needs to clarify. I’m sure you’ve done your research John and will ask those questions.
This guy doesn't even pass my smell check... I'm calling total BS
Kirkpatrick lied though he actually lied so why would you even interview him?
Nah, don't platform known liars.
@@bluenick4577 because lies lead you to the through many times.
If Kirkpatrick does clarify it will just be more dismissive arrogance. I’ll watch but I’ll be the skeptic this time
Have you followed the debate on Lue, JMG? He comes across as quite deceptive if you study him throughout his interviews.
Hmmm a troll account telling us not to believe Lou, that's odd. Don't troll farms know that NOONE picks first name + last name + 4 digits... as a username. What sane person would pick that, yet every troll account still has that. Nooo not weird at all. If this is a CIA account, hire me and I'll have your troll accounts up to ship shape in no time.
@@extrememiami Are you being sarcastic? I am radically open about my identity in an increasingly anonymous and bot filled Internet. It would take you 5 seconds to Google my name and compare it to e.g. the content on my UA-cam profile.
@@extrememiami Alright, let’s get you to bed.
@@extrememiami UA-cam did it. Don't know why.
@@extrememiami How could I possibly be less of a troll account? I display my real name, have videos of myself on my profile, and probably am the only one in the world with this name. Lol.
WAIT!! You're going to have Sean Kirkpatrick on? I can't wait to NOT see that!!!!
Would love to see it with him attached to a lie detector.....
@@mrln247 Yes.
He has eyes I don't trust
@@mrln247no doubt
@@mrln247 Same, cuz he's been caught lying multiple times on camera. Also even if he says he hasn't seen evidence of a crash retrieval program that may be true because he or his office, AARO wouldn't even have the clearance to see the evidence anyways.
This is like Scientology I need to keep buying more and more books to learn the truth
Elizonda is a grifter like so many in the UFO community. I used to be a fanatic regarding this topic now due to all the grifters making outlandish statements I seldom listen or watch anything on this topic except this channel and The Black Vault. I think Elizondo is a misinformation agent as he was previously in the intelligence arena. As a used to be fanatic I wanted desperately to believe now I am skeptical of most information put forth by the UFO experts. I dont discount hundreds of thousands of eye witness testimony from all over the world and no one explanation can explain all what these people have seen and heard. I do believe the majority of the people who have witnessed what they said they saw and many stories can't be explained away as illusions mass hysteria or swamp gas. I still believe but will show interst again when there is credible verifiable evidence of a UFO.
If the government told me it was morning, I'd go outside and look.
The government? Department of Agriculture?
I know, I know, you're edgy.
I have the same reaction to anyone, in the government or military or not, whatever, when the "truth" of their statements is entirely dependent on their job title. Same with Elizondo or anyone else. Science and reality doesn't give one damn about someone's title or authority. I have no idea what the truth of all this and I'm completely open minded. Hopefully, someday we'll actually know because we have actual evidence that can be scientifically verified for real.
I appreciate you have the guest on, but his answers were vague and evasive. He was filibustering most of the time.
Recently, there was a granted FOIA request of AATIP that resulting in 1000 pages of documents. The documents show that the 2017 UAP article had many inaccuracies of titles, names and even the name of the program. Lue worked on AATIP and was a source for that article. How does this happen? If someone that worked on a program does not know basic facts about it, how can we trust his vague statements that he is telling the public?
You dont even know what you are talking about. Fortunately John and Lue do.
@@philliprobinson129 The FOIA showed Lue did not even know the basics of the program he worked on. Its like if you said you worked at McWendy's and your boss was a Supreme Court Justice.
@IndridChannel can you provide those documents? Genuinely curious question.
@@alchemist3724 he can’t for sure. He’s just talking out of his ass. Literally stupid semantics. Harry Reid stated in an official letter that Lue was a leader in AATIP. No amount of keyboard warrior semantics will change that.
He’s not revealing anything new or concrete, just stringing what’s already out there together is my impression of it all.
I was so intrigued to see you had Lue on the show! I’m glad to see him on such a highly reputable channel like yours 👏🏼👏🏼
Would love to see Elizondo and Dirtpatrick debate this topic
I’d watch that…
Grusch and SK would be better.
I loved this, please do more of these.
I have come here to chew bubblegum and fall into Event Horizon with John Michael Godier. And I 'm already out of bubblegum.
that film was ace
Human kind is way too violent to ever get on the level of extraterrestrial contact w a open dialogue
John, cudos to you, sir, for getting both sides of this lined up.
I spent 30 years in the US Army and a lesser amount of time in the Intelligence Community. When I hear Lue, he sounds a lot more like a Soldier than a scientist, trying to conjecture about things most listeners here know more about than Lue does. (The distance to “Alpha Proxima”, General and Special Relativity). When it came to anything concrete he might know from actual experience or special access, he cites classification as to why he can’t talk about it. Whistleblowers talk about things they aren’t supposed to talk about. I have seen sound bytes of him before, but this is the first long form interview. I see a guy trying to hype a past duty assignment to sell books. He’s so melodramatic in the “no kidding, there I was storming the beaches of Normandy” style I’ve heard all my adult life. I wonder if, as required, the Department of Defense reviewed and censored his book prior to its release. Nothing Lue said here convinced me of anything.
I was turned off right out of the gate by the argument that "life must exist elsewhere in the universe because it's abundant on Earth"
he is a mentee of Ric Prado the CIAs cocaine smuggler and pet serial killer who was balls deep in iran-contra. all the corporation cubans in the cia are shifty as shit.
Everything taken independently is unconvincing. Fortunately, we are capable of weighing all the evidence, and that is overwhelming at this point. There is undoubtedly a there there. Good luck!
@@bobsawin1920I doubt it.
Thank you...
The only interview featuring Sean Kirkpatrick I would seek out is by you. Seems appropriate to have this headless horseman next week. Thank you JMG
Repackaged old stories . Becoming very boring
Me listening to lue say the same stuff for the 20th time in the last 2 months
Saved me an hour, thank you.
@undercoverbrother67 exactly, nothing at all. He speaks like a con artist, everything he says is nonsensical word salad. He just says it emphatically enough that it somehow fools people. He's a grifter trying to sell books, that's it.
@@tylerharvell9938Speaks like a con artist because he is one.
I am pretty sure Lue has a PR team behind him. He is repeating a reviewed set of talking points. That should tell you something.
It's like he's only talking about the stuff he knows instead of making up new shit to keep things interesting. Almost like he's talking about what he knows instead of just making it up
Idk. I feel like a true whistleblower would answer all questions instead of saying he’s not at liberty to. He just gives me to many FED vibes like he’s being told what to tell us.
For me the real question is how Elizondo is able to get away with being so open & high visibility about this-because if what he's saying is true, our government has invested an unimaginable level of time, manpower & resources, for literally the better part of a century, to ensure that the public never learns about their involvement in the UAP phenomenon, and yet he's able to make all of these high-profile public appearances & talk so openly about it, seemingly without any of the sort of real consequences which have prevented whistleblowers from going public in decades past
The only way that this makes sense to me is that the guy has been given authorization to talk about these things, in which case he's no longer really a whistleblower blowing the lid off of secrets which our government wants to keep hidden-at that point he's really more of a spokesman doing PR to help shape public opinion & shift the discourse on this issue in whatever direction these secretive elements of our government want the conversation to go
@@rjramrod Or, and hear me out, he's completely full of crap, just like he sounds...
Yea there’s nothing going on and he’s just spreading what the government wants you to think
You haven't considered he's a fraud & a grifter? I think that's the most plausible & realistic way to make sense of his claims.
Plenty of folks more tolerable than Lou gave come forward. They can't all be killed or intimidated. I would have rather seen Grusch here over Lou. Lou is a massive asshole
He is and people somehow trust him while it is quite obvious
Sorry, but there are types of virus with RNA and with DNA.
I have a hard time trusting anyone that says “I love my government”
That´s not the worst approach.
Trump is second only to Jesus according to MAGA people.
Edward Snowden, actual whistleblower. Lue Elizondo, writes a book, goes on tour, hits up every news channel and podcast without fear of life and liberty, not a whistleblower.
THIS! I mean think of Amy Eskridge and all the other real scientists and whistleblowers who were killed off although they said they have no intention of ending themselves. Elizondo is CIA. Nuff said.
the cias in house press ghostwrote it for him.
Snowden did sell his story for profit, though.
People need money to live after leaving their jobs.
You dont even understand the difference between what Snowden did and what Lue has done. You really don't understand the process at all, so its funny to hear you speak on it.
@@philliprobinson129what exactly had Lue done? He has told some interesting stories, but had provided zero program names, zero actual data. What has he done that Phillip Corso, Arthur Stansel, Bob Lazar, Dr. John Mack haven’t done before him?
Evidence is indeed beyond the particle horizon for Lue. He’s either lying, or he knows where proof exists to show we exist in a “grim” situation and is withholding that (despite his Patriot/warrior claims). His words. So, either way, wtf Lue?
Just starting the interview, but I already have a feeling Lue’s people wholly misunderstood this specific audience.
he got where he is from being mentored by Ric Prado the war criminal and CIAs own drug smuggling boss.
Most definitely misunderstood the audience.
I want to believe Lue. For an ex intelligence agent he does seem pretty genuine. However, Kirkpatrick is literally Bluebook embodied.
When Lou starts talking about the bubble around the craft I would just like to point out that Bob Lazar explained that back in 1989
Really enjoyed this episode John. Lue is a great guest to have on, hope to see more of you both discussing things in the future!
So glad you are keeping this topic in mind and sharing it with your scientists following. It's unfathomably important right now. Unfortunately willful ignorance is very prevalent in mainstream science so thank you John 🙏
I would argue that intent is more common among larger mammals and a few birds than he suggests, but the distinction stands.
In the end, this whole ufo/uap thing is a decent retirement plan. You have a steady crowd of book buyers and interviews lined up, talk shows, etc. It's not the worst retirement plan if you had a former position in the government that is somewhat related and works as a credible "insider" backstory. These discussions are always entertaining to listen to but the content isn't proving or disproving anything, it's a chose-your-own-adventure-game, you either believe it or you don't. Until there's solid evidence, none of this matters and everyone can just claim whatever they feel like sells well.
I'm must admit I'm not really too happy about having this on event horizon, more for the sake of the channel than anything else, but it is what it is.
I think your brain elasticity has perished . Take a chill pill lol
Extremely well-put
Thanks so much for yet another evening release (CEST). Perfect listening before hitting the sack.
As for Elizondo's exposé, it is overly reliant on logical speculation rather than on empirical evidence. You cannot reason your way to evidence, it must present itself.
Only a small group of mainly middle aged and elderly English speaking men know the truth very strange.
I am in that category! I can say that the first thing I know is to never transmit my knowledge to people with blue faces and large eyes. Discriminatory, I know. Sorry.
i clicked so fast my finger looked like Johnny Cage from Mortal Combat.
thanks john for covering this, there's nothing wrong with talking about all topics as long as it's with reasonable people, and Lou is that kind of person, I can't wait for the conversation with krirkpactric to hear the other side
I'm really looking forward to this interview I hope John asks some good hard questions because I'm fairly skeptical about all this but I'm also interested enough to be open minded
Hey man, big fan here, love your show! I noticed your voice over audio quality seems impaired in this video - it seems like it’s being over-compressed and has too much high end exciter on it. I’m a pro music producer, so it jumped out at me. Just a heads up!
Elizondo is still working for the government passing approved information.
Like the government is some monolith. You're not very imaginative for a conspiracy theorist, are you ?
Very interested in this conversation. I wondered if you all would get him on.
i would love to give my comment on this but i am very sorry, i am not allowed to talk about this! may you invite me to your show so i could repeat this phrase again and again to every question.
No kidding. 😂
I want aliens to be real as much as the next guy but there's just nothing really there..
Great interview John, however this guy is an absolute nothing burger of pure speculation and analogies. Zero evidence of any claims.
Do you rate Richard Dolan? He's probably one of the most respected names in the the field and he says the Elezondo book is the Real deal and the most important book on the subject in 50 years.
This guy is soooo full of shaite.
John, you got Luis in and now you have doubled down on my favorite channel on youtube. I love you.
PERFECT for spooky month. Love it.
Hope it didn’t give you nightmares!
Awesome discussion. Looking forward to next week!
Wow this is going to be good. I'm so glad lue is willing to go so far and wide to do good interviews and get the word out.
He ain’t doing shit besides promoting himself, just like Jeremy Corbell.
“Sometimes to be a patriot, you have to do things that don’t seem very patriotic”
I feel that statement should be handled with the utmost care. Could easily be used for any number of “greater good” acts
This is a treat, I love spooky season content \m/.
Another few days of Pulp's "I Spy" stuck in my head
I was just thinking of sharing this channel with the "Vetted" channel's community in case they didnt know about it. This will help some people find it I bet. If they some how havent.
And all of them have a book to sell...funny that.
The audiobook is on Spotify and it’s a true fever dream. Highly recommended to see into the mind of a spook. Aliens are the least of what’s in there.
@@kukaliemikalie8157 yes because books sell so well these days. Funny that.
Yea that's why i've largely given up on this new modern UFO push. It's always another carrot in the distance, another book to buy, another podcast to listen to. I'm a believer but it's hard to ignore the obvious grifting going on.
@@bandersong4650 fever dream if you are a normie. if you have delved into this rabbit hole we all have the same information but never concise or any solid proof. it's always the same giberish
@@BOTCHEDI could tell you why you are wrong but I can't elaborate on that.
Luis Elizondo is an expert grifter / bullshitter, just like Bob Lazar.
Empty words with a bit of jealousy, pretty much sums up this common remark on these patriotic people...sadly...
@@alchemist3724 Cant you see it ! Bullshit alarm going off big time!
Have you ever considered trying to stream your show on shortwave?
@@jacobe2995 well at least if it was then it will make it’s way out into the universe at the speed of light. Maybe a big audience out there, somewhere, sometime. 😉
27 years in counterintelligence, DD214 available, DOD Certifications available, retired, unemployable, disabled veteran 100% now... and yes pretty damn bitter at the people and country. That said: If you still had your guests available there would be only three questions to ask and all three involve CAG actions since 1973... their response would validate or refute their claims... short of that, there is nothing there except exceptional programming and a great fan base (which is something awesome) but there is no story. Don't ask what the questions are or the definitions of the acronym, they know but they can not answer because there remains no byeman to facilitate their claims.
Ugh...I was excited for this until I saw Luis Elizondo. SMH.....HACK!!!
Brian Cox on JRE & Lue on Event Horizom, my listening entertainment while at work tomorrow is sorted out!
Awesome listen!!! 🎧. As always thank you!
less nuts and bolts means less things that can go wrong. if they can somehow cut open and weld shut without any issues using flame or tool. it's gonna change how you design a space ship. imagine being able to remove particles/atoms and replace them once you're done ? heck even sound can maby make things passable (where if you aim at a wall with a certain sound it could make the wall passable as everything pass through you instead of hindering you ) just an example.
Listening stoned,
Crazy timing his book was just delivered today
I read it. Nothing of value just like this podcast just constant babble with nothing of value.
There’s always a book…
The guy next week has already been caught lying.
In what respect?
@@Shotkangaroo he said I never met with Brandon Fugle I think that’s how you spell it. Then it went to Yes we did, but there was no Skinwalker presentation. It was not about Skinwalker Ranch.. then, Brandon famously puts up the picture of him with the back drop of Skinwalker Ranch with the presentation of what they were talking about and he went to crickets after that.
He was caught lying to the public. Remember, this was in Washington when they did this. He is absolutely lying to the public.
@@Shotkangaroo if event Horizon has any dignity he needs to ask Sean why did you lie about the Skinwalker Ranch presentation? See what he says.
@@adampomeroy9463 I completely misunderstood, I didn’t read correctly and thought you were talking about Lou. I’m on Lou’s side. 😊
Elizondo is such a shill. And people eat his disinfo. It´s disgraceful.
8 minutes in and this guy is, intellectually, flailing wildly..
Excellent episode! Mr. Elizondo was a fantastic guest-clear, articulate, and thought-provoking. I have so many questions and observations that I hardly know where to start. It seems likely that every word he shared was carefully vetted by the communities he has been or still is a part of. That said, I found myself speculating quite a bit, as there seemed to be a lot of information “between the lines.”
For example, he repeatedly refers to our species as Homo sapiens sapiens-almost as if he’s accustomed to making that distinction. It makes me wonder if he’s hinting that the UAPs might be piloted by a species closely related to humans. If they originate from the Proxima Centauri system, they might be called Homo centauriensis sapiens. If they are simply Earth-born humans from the future, Homo sapiens futuris or Homo sapiens temporalis might be more fitting.
There were several subtle, specific references like this throughout the interview, though I recognize I might be reading too much into it. Either way, it was a fascinating experience. Mr. Elizondo would make a great recurring guest on the show. Next time, it could be interesting to have the Point-Counterpoint guests on at the same time for a more dynamic discussion. The episode with Avi Loeb and Robin Hanson is one of the best conversations I’ve heard. Granted , it wasn’t exactly point/counterpoint, but that format revealed insights that probably never would’ve been possible in a traditional Q and A.
Thanks again for the episode! I’m left with even more questions about the UAP phenomena-perhaps a bit more refined now.
Cheers!!
Ehhhhhhh, controversial guest at best.
Only Jordan peterson can use more words to say less than this guy. When everything is a deflection, maybe there's simply no substance there.
😂 Good one! At least the guest didn't use the term "metaphysical substrates."
Lmao, perfect comment my dude
He admits the gov acts in a way that manipulated and controls our emotions in order to maintain power, rather than tell the citizens the truth. Not surprising but sad. Hope humanity can move on from this type of government.
What makes you think him saying all this isn't part of it?
@@benpregent 100% I'm very skeptical. He speaks in a way that assumes many unknowns are a given fact. He immediately jumps to aliens rather than considering any possibility the sightings are military test craft or anything else like that.
HE'S manipulating people's emotions.. it's not rational at all
Well, John, i film them and can tell you that they OWN THE SKIES. None of you really have an idea of this, but it's true. I do have proof, but it gets nowhere leaving comments in open forum like this. I guess I'll take it if even just one of you believe and try my techniques.
Stop your messing and upload the proof for all to see
Would be happy to look at what you’ve filmed. Please link here. - Ross
No balls you won't upload footage of it.
Please share the link!
Here is the link... but there is more to the story. These are only ones you can see without zoom and slomo. Use the highest settings in UA-cam so that they are visible.
I am busy atm, but I want to share how to film them, so I will be back shortly
The book is interesting. Had to google who he is to believe it. What a career!
FYI some of these UAP off the coast of Florida have been reported by pilots to us (ATC). So oddly connected to his story.
I think this guy is a quack.
He never answers questions directly and instead start talking about something else, spewing out a lot of words without actually saying anything.
Do we believe the conspiracy theorists that the aliens are watching us, or believe the government the aliens are going to attack so we must unite against them 😆
Great to see that we will hear both sides. Thank you 🙏
John knows exactly when to cue the ominous music 😅
Ohhh can’t wait for next weeks episode! Currently taking this one in ASAP😂
yeah, I know what side I am.. sorry Sean.
Can anybody help me track down what he's saying at 44:30 as well as what it means? It appears to me that the first word is "Fata", a Latin word. But I have no clue on the rest, and I'd greatly appreciate anybody's help 😊
Hi Zach! He said “fait accompli”
Great episode. I’m a skeptic, but I love speculation, and my skepticism was cozily entertained.
After listening to a few other Fermi Paradox videos today, this turns up in my news feed. It must be the aliens tempering with my UA-cam feed.
I’m a skeptic about uap being from extra terrestrial origins and it’s for reasons I never hear true believers address.
The Wright brother’s first flight and the skunkworks blueprint project for the SR71 Blackbird are barely 50 years apart.
The level of development , in aerospace technology has exponentially increased and expounded upon itself…
Then you think about how the tic-tac UAP present themselves to the military and public.
Behaviors perceived as irrational to one person isn’t irrational at all if you place yourself in the mind of a military official.
I never hear it pondered, but just think about it. If I’m tasked with gauging reactions I’m going to go about things a certain way. From my own military, geopolitical peers (both friendly and adversarial) and the general public at large.
I’m going to shadow my own ships, other militaries ships, etc..
I’m going to only reveal myself when I feel like it.
And that being the exact behavior of these UAP is too great of a coincidence for me for me to assume it’s extra terrestrial in origin.
My favorite part of Elizondo’s book was when his buddy summoned four demons to torture a terror detainee
Yea that's what we dealing with here....smh
@@obeace4495 The only thing worse, would be a couple of people making comments that didn't really watch a thing but thought they had a point.
Now, that? That just be straight up WEIRD. But. Here we are. Odd.
But. You have the answers. So. preach on. Don't mind if I smh while you get your notes.
wait till you find out the freakshow he was involved with in the cia while working for ric prado the iran contra cocaine smuggler cia boss.
@@dathighguy1609The hell are you on about?
Look at the recent pentagon statement about the Langley Air Force base. Laughable. The country doesn’t have a military, the military has a country. Honest, straightforward transparency would go some ways to mitigate that perception.
@EventHorizonShow Did you chat with Lue between recordings? What's your measure of the man and his claims in particular? He really strikes me as someone who has learned a bunch of talking points to delay answering his wilder claims.
Steven Greenstreet did a pretty interesting documentary about the recent UAP stuff….
I thought I had heard an old story of uap being seen at Chernobyl and a significant reduction in radiation levels were witnessed.
Great interview thanx!
Very happy you got Lue on as a guest. AATIP was an interesting beast (and still is, it exists now under a new name). For Kirkpatrick - don't let him off the hook on the Nimitz incident. AARO really failed to analyse that, missing large amounts of data that the pilotz, nimitz and princeton crews have testified exists. Gotta say: Kirkpatrick comes across like Blue Book volume 2. Good luck!
The US Air Force gave nonhuman intelligent beings access to children living on MacDill AFB in the 1960s and 70s. A Chronovisor like device was being used as well.
I’m glad he didn’t mention the muddy footprints again
Just read Lue’s book. I’m baffled.
About the remote-viewing part?
About which part?
Keep an open mind - we don't know what 90% of the universe is made out of
Guess I’m going to bed late so!
Greetings from the country I call IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIreland 🇮🇪
Cheers!!
This is what I live for. A cross section of more than one of my interests.
I’m ready for the big reveal.
I do not know how I've missed this channel because it always comes up as something recommended and I thought it was one of those AI bull crap weird space channels that come out with a bunch of junk. After hearing a few of your videos, your interviews I have subscribed. It really is a good change of peace from the garbage I am usually flooded with.
Ooooo that intro music gave me goosebumps
I wish you have asked him about some of the 'more controversial' allegations, like remote viewing and demons...
Thank you. I love hearing both sides. I and my friend saw a giant triangle fly over us silently during the daytime one day and it mesmerized us. I don’t think it was aliens flying it though, but I could be wrong. I just think we have propulsion systems faster and more quiet than we realize.
Not sure how you can still be skeptical.
It’s easy - some people have a stronger intuition when it comes to professional bullshitters.
I completely agreed with your take on BLC 1, there's no reason to think it's a technosignature, I loved your incisive logic and skepticism. But then I see this video and I just feel like the same skepticism is lacking when it comes to UFOs on the channel. Your science videos are fantastic though, really big fan!
Next week is the counterpoint.
I don't understand why someone just doesn't ask him. Are any of these UAPs ours?