@@adenwellsmith6908 May I suggest using a special chair connected to the grid. We could call it a "charge chair". That way it would sound good while it does good!
@@ragtowne You sue the owner of the charging system responsible for the injury or loss. The owner can then sue the installation company, and on it goes down the line. 😉
To be fair, it was the idiot public servants who had the brain fart they call an idea, but the moron politicians just go along with it and nobody is ever held accountable.
Lol, you guys are going to lose it when you find out that underground power delivery is everywhere! How on earth do you manage cope with the anxiety when you go outside. It's a mystery. As is your ignorance of devices like RCD's that trip instantly on a short to ground.
@@drumphil00 That's funny, good one. The difference being that power networks are maintained by people who understand stuff but now you have Mrs Miggins leaving power cables in the street gutters. What could possibly go wrong.
Fascinating. A few weeks ago I was chatting to a (UK) railways electrician who was building a trackside electrical cabinet. The railway is beside a footpath. As we chatted, he realised that the cabinet required a common Earth with everything nearby. The metal railway fence, a lamp post etc. The reason being, a pedestrian could reach the electrical cabinet from the footpath. Your post is explaining exactly the same thing!
Oh look. Another artificial support by the taxpayer of rich peoples toys. Wonder if I can get a taxpayer funded rebate to instal a petrol pump in my front garden?
Like how the US government paid off loans from people that were affluent enough to attend college. Meanwhile nothing for people that paid their own way for technical certifications like IT or HVAC
Yes and these POS are giving electricity rebates if you are charging an EV while many of our Canadian population couldn’t afford heat this winter due to profit driven huge pricing.
@@sabastian4858 the entire ‘saving the planet’ just conveniently involves spending huge amounts of money making everyone change cars, building new charging stations, rebuilding the grid network to cater, building massive amounts of renewables while decommissioning useful power stations at the same time. Believe me isn’t it convenient that it just happens the elite are making bucket loads of money out of all this while we subsidise the purchase of cars. I’ve never had my car purchase subsidised in 50 years by the government.
The government is offering "grants" to install charging point for EV's. TRANSLATION: Those who can afford a $60k car are being subsidized by those who can't afford a $60k car.
That's funny. My EV cost $41,000, not $60,000. And there are plenty of fossil fuel subsidies that leave people who walk or bike to work subsidizing those who drive.
So the government's idea is that you run a cable to your parked car on the street? It's nice if there's a space right outside your house.... but a good chance you'll be parked a way away. What's the solution? Very long cables I guess. We are being lead by complete idiots.
And when someone else parks outside that house, there will be much angst from the EV owner who can’t charge his car. We already see complaints here from people who don’t like others parking in front of their house.
That's the solution to range anxiety- just plug your wonder wagon in before you leave home and let the cable spool out behind you. If you have a cable say 300 km long you should be right. I see no problems with this amazing new EV system. Vote Me 1.
If these lunatic politicians think this is such a good policy, maybe they should be the ones individually sued instead of the taxpayer via the government.
I was watching a re-run of a police programme where an EV was involved in an accident, They mentioned that emergency services are not permitted to touch the car to rescue the occupants until an electrician has deemed it 'safe' & the bodywork hasn't become live, Now just imagine if you are stuck in the thing while the batteries are blowing up & the emergency services are just having to stand there & watch, pretty frightening i would say.
When you have to continually revisit the concept of EV’s and their charging to correct faults you didn’t think of in the first place you know the whole process was rushed through without proper thought.
I recently watched a YT video from a UK electrician who said that most of the home chargers that had been installed by him and others in the UK were now "non-compliant" with current regulations. As they had changed their recommendations on how they should be protected by circuit breakers. He didn't think that many would ever be updated.
That's why wall boxes have the mandatory circuit breakers built in. Whoever installed cabling without using a wall box should be connected to mains circuit for an hour..
Plus there's a whole load of guidance on home solar type Battery installation coming along apparently - like not placing them in the roof and isolated etc
He's an idiot and not to be trusted. He's passing the buck and making it My Energi's fault when in fact its his failure to follow the instructions and provide additional protection. My dad had no issue in getting his sorted so why is that moron having such an issue, hint, its his fault.
@iscadean3607idiotic comment. Your battery car won't charge anywhere near as fast than if you had a dedicated charging point. You know that, I know it, so what's your point?
Ah yes indeed. On a rainy day, the el cheapo EV charging connection from someone's house begins to work like a giant Bug Zapper on the local pedestrian traffic using the footpath. Now the Misanthropic EcoMarxists may be ecstatic over the rates of human depopulation potential, but the rest of us will be wholly unimpressed with this development.
A giant bug zapper? Any short to ground will trip an RCD instantly. You seem to have very strong opinions for someone without a basic understanding of electrical distribution, safety devices, and physics.
I haven’t lived in the city of Toronto for several decades, but at one time, small metal access covers embedded in concrete sidewalks would often become electrified when runoff from salted sidewalks during winter caused corrosion of the cables buried beneath. Several dogs were electrocuted as a result. This idea is madness.
I was advised by a friend who contracts to my local council, they are dead against this on a liability basis. Lets put it this way if you trip on a object like building stuff etc, then the Council could still be held liable.
@@starpawsy People will pretend to have an accident, just to make a bullshit claim. And if the council wriggles out of it, the EV owner will be held liable. I'm quite looking forward to this. It's going to be hilarious.
This is crazy. In the UK you're not allowed to work on certain electrical items in your home under part B regs. Apparently the govt. now thinks it's OK to chuck high voltage cables around outside, without consulting anyone as far as I can see. There have been several councils that have banned this practice under advice from insurers and lawyers - it really is a non-starter.
Sadly I have to disagree with you.The very fact it's crazy dangerous is the reason why I think it is going to be rolled out.And as for anyone injured by it well that will just be their fault somehow.
@@stevengriffin7873If it's crazy dangerous then find me a single example of someone who was zapped by a public ev charger. I'm not including home chargers because some people are stupid enough to try and install those without any experience, wiring them wrong and killing themselves.
@@stevengriffin7873 It's been 12 years since the launch of the model s and the supercharger network. How much more time do you need? Also how many gas station fires caught fire in the meantime? Like, EVs have a PLETHORA of issues. This just isn't one of them.
I have a really bad feeling these people are never going to give up. They are going to do anything and everything to force us against our free will to drive EV'S.
As the casualties in the various EV affairs continue to escalate the resulting lawsuits will eventually bankrupt so many people, businesses and maybe industries it will collapse into a steaming heap
I well remember a firm being sued when a blind person tripped over a cable they had put across the footpath. They were deemed to have ignored the risk that it may cause injury to a blind person. Nowadays people walk around paying no attention to anything but their phones, so they're going down. Not to mention the elderly or the young or anyone for that matter.
I thought that's why they run in and not on the pavement... anyway, EV's are honkus. they should better be looking for a combustion engine without emissions... which already exists... but... oil
@@Stormcrow_1 The cords are supposed to be in a channel below the surface.But don't be surprised if some entitled virtue signalling f'wit just lays it on the footpath and expects everyone to walk around it.
Let me get this straight people are supposed to plug in an extension cord to their house and run the cable over the sidewalk to their BEV? I bet that violates a dozen code laws...
But you forget one of the highest tenets of progressive policies: "It is OK when we do it, because we have good intentions." In this case: good for the climate. One of the bestest intentions!
They are cutting a channel in the sidewalk to put the cable in, to avoid being a tripping hazard and to avoid damage to the cable from people walking on it. I've seen other videos that show it. Still likely a code violation, with the risk of the cable wearing through over time. Maybe a temporary solution, but not something that should be made permanent.
and dont forget that the incoming cables of houses etc are on a 3 phase system , each house has a single phase , the neighbour has the next phase , there is a potentiality there of 415 volts between phases , the idea of close proximity different phases is very dangerous and risky , the lunacy just to promote something that is NOT good for the environment should be banned , we have the REGS for a reason , SAFETY
Close proximity between different phases is very dangerous??? How on earth does every shed on earth with three phase outlets not burn down? Crikey, we really are delving deep into the well of grumpy cranks.
"Each house has a single phase" is simply a false statement. Houses are connected to all three phases and there are even appliances already that require connection to all three, for example electric ovens or your warm water boiler. So stop spreading FUD.
@@karlgunterwunsch1950 My house is only one phase and 230 volts. If it had all three phases it would be 415 volts. You need to explain this one in detail as it makes no sense as I don't have a 3 phase cooker and never heard of one being available as a consumer item. All the three phase cookers I see for sale are professional ones for commercial sites which may very well have 3 phase supplies. How many houses in the UK are you saying have 3 phase supplies?
@@karlgunterwunsch1950 Not in the UK. If you want 3 phase to a house you have to apply for it and it costs a lot to have it approved and installed. So your statement is, in your own words, simply a false statement. You need to specify location since there are probably as many different systems as there are countries. If I want 3 phase in my house it will involve digging a trench from the cable running under the path outside the property to the meter location. I do not have an overhead supply. Some older properties near me do have overhead supplies so will be cheaper to connect to 3 phase but would still have to go through the approvals process.
Yes, this won't go 'south' at some 'point'. I'm surprised they haven't had any pushback from their insurance companies because somebody is going to get a shock and somebody is going to have to pay
That's because insurance companies are smart and know how likely it is for someone to get zapped. Unlike this guy who is making up stuff half the time.
@iscadean3607 comparing an iphone cable with a high voltage one? lol. When I was a kid, you had to put on slippers to open our fridge because it had developed some sort of electrical fault and would zap you if you touched it while barefoot. If you happened to be in contact with a car that had this problem and a nearby lamppost that didn't share the same grounding system how does insulation help here?
@iscadean3607 Here's a challenge, buy a 10m extension lead, leave it outside 24/7 in the elements, let me know how long it takes for the 'insulation' starts to degrade and become brittle. The voltage between your house and EV is 120vac [America], 230vac [nearly everywhere else, (not 2.3vdc phone charger)] provided they are referencing the same earth. EV charger leads cost a min $100 USD, is the owner going to replace that regularly? Btw, I'm an electrician by trade, I may not know all things electrical but I do know the above.
Do the councils also give the home owners the parking spaces in front of their houses for free or can anyone still park there .This is going to create a lot of problems with people parking in front of a house who has a ev and needs to charge to get to work the next day.
Yeah this is kind of bs where you don’t have off street parking, as a homeowner you don’t have the right to the space so anyone can use it. I feel like if your street is permitted it might be reasonable to pay for numbered spaces or something?
Even the 'disabled' spaces marked out on the road are advisory. It would take an act of parliament to change the rule of the road which in the UK says that anyone can park their car on any adopted road. And if they tried to change the law, which would of course require a debate in the House of Commons, that in turn might expose all sorts of problems with EVs, who is going to enforce it? The UK police aren't turning out for burglaries or shoplifting.
I guess locally they could split parking permits and provide something like a “Zone B” and on request a “Zone B-e” or something, charge a little more for the added utility
@@Stepbystep74 No one enforces the parking regulations that exist now - except for paid car parks where money is involved. The police would not enforce it.
Companies that issue public liability insurance to electricians will start having exemption clauses for fitting these potentially dangerous systems. That'll put a stop to it pretty darn quick!
No electrician will be able to responsibly sign off a simultaneous contact assessment as they wont be able to determine the circumstances of use and hence the risks of potential difference at the time, there are too many unknown possibilities. Different properties can have dissimilar earthing values and It is known that one property can have a fault that effects their neighbour's supply to put it simply. This situation carries the problem outside the property to the public domain, hence the concern. The other point worth mentioning is that once this information from a accredited source is publicised ignorance is no defence from responsible persons and as such I cant see these being passed as safe. ( retired electrician)
I passed them as safe. I don't wanna be disrespectful to my seniors but please read up on the ev charging standards. There's a great amount of thought that went into making these as safe as they are, to the point where we haven't had a single case of someone getting zapped by a public charger.
@@Luka_3D Standards can and will be manipulated to suit (for example allowing 800V DC in a vehicle when that is never allowed for domestic installations) you must be well aware of the danger of taking an uncontrolled supply in to the public arena (and I mean uncontrolled use) If you had experienced and investigated the fatalities I have over 40 years I suggest you wouldn't dismiss it so lightly. Sadly It will happen and I suppose you will then say It was only one person. This is uncharted territory as far as usage of supply outside property boundaries. If you don't understand the potential dangers attached I would respectfully suggest another job that matches your attitude to risk.
I doubt your insurance company would be willing to take responsibility for an EV cable running from your house, out across a public walkway, to your car. They'll give a very loud, "Oh, heck no!"
The phrase “charging solutions” brings to my mind a vision of charging a large battery not with electric power but with one of various mysterious liquids…
One of my neighbours has a sensible solution. Forced to have an (S)EV by the government ( disability car - no choice!) they park it at the top of the drive - away from the house and easy access for fire brigade when needed, or on the road. They don’t seem to have a charger for it either attached to the house. They don’t go far so I presume they just use public chargers (might get reduced rate as disabled?). I must thank you for their sensible life choices when I see them next!
For the Australian viewers, we use a multiple earthed neutral system. That ensures there wouldn't be a potential difference in this scenario provided the installation is compliant with regulation. Fundamentally it's covered under AS3000:2018 but I suspect such a scenario wouldn't be allowed in any case. Keep up the good work Simon.
I worked on multi-story building projects all throughout Australia and Tasmania in the 80s and 90s. Rules at the time said that trades men had to have their power extensions cords above the ground to prevent execution and trip hazards. Most building managers on these sites would supply support stands to facilitate this need. I've seen building sites shut down for days if extension cords were found on the ground/floor by safety officers. How can Gov get away with not protecting the public from tripping, etc, on EV power cable on footpath, etc ?
@@charliepearce8767 I was an electronics technician at that time. I had to pass an electrical safety induction (that choice of words was hilarious) to work at Coles, Myer and Woolworths. All of which are heavily unionised and OH&S to the eyeballs. There was nothing about not running cables on the ground in any of those induction courses.
@starpawsy Like I said, "not all buildings sites" in the in the 80s.. You being educated in your profession would understand what we're talking about in regards to electrical safety. The same safety standard that's not being adhered to by local governments. Or what, you think I'm, making storys up, or lying ?
@@charliepearce8767 No. I quite believe you. I think what it is is that there was no government mandate, and different industries having different standards.
I remember studying electrical engineering. The electricians book reminds me of almost a white pages thick book. It's amazing how the updates keep getting inserted into it as well. I wish I would have done the 4 years, but had too much on my plate and it was an intensive course. At the time I was studying from about 7am - 4pm then driving home, getting changed and then working about 5pm - 11 pm then getting home by midnight, eating dinner and sleeping by 1am. I'd then get up at 5am to start it all again. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out that I didn't last long doing that (a few months)
Apparently you are never going to run out of content for this channel. The planet is suffering from the irrationality of EV's when it should be rejoicing over rationality and human achievement and freedom.
As a retired electrician I can say that proper grounding is the most important and also the most violated of electrical codes. Sadly, too many people are ignorant of the risks to life. as I’ve heard it said: “You can’t regulate against stupid.”
It’s impressive how quickly governments ignore legally enforced Electrical health and safety regulations when they have an agenda they want to push through. What could possibly go wrong. We are only ignorant peasants after all. Blame can always be attributed to the installers . “They are the experts,after all. They should have known better. “
How come the two best guys on UA-cam are based in Stralia ? MGUY guy and John Cadogan are true heroes and give power to the people and we the ordinary people owe them a massive thank you.
Some genius left his extension cord running across the public sidewalk to charge his car. He did it for over a year until a kid broke their arm after getting their skateboard wheel caught on the wire one day. He was fined and told he was legally responsible for the injuries as it is a public walk way and he had no right to leave things there for people to trip on.
Yet the number of people who were zapped by a public ev charger is still zero. Don't know when you were in the industry but I think you need a refresher.
@@marklittle3551 Don't trust me and do your own research. Or listen to this guy who made an entire video about an issue of which he couldn't find a single example of.
Let's hope it never happens. It happens occasionally in the power distribution industry and it ain't pretty and that's an industry that drums safety into its employees constantly and the infrastructure is fixed and static. In the case of the charging infrastructure it is accessible to the general public and involves plugging a HV cable into a vehicles of various condition and repair. Add to this the charging network is subjected to tampering due to copper theft and possibly vandalism. What can go wrong?
@@marklittle3551 Yeah making stuff like this idiot proof is probably hard af. Although I'd wager that that's why we seem to have so many issues with the infrastructure. Providers would rather have their stuff not work because it wasn't 100% sure it's safe than getting sued for killing someone.
The fire risk is about 1/20 of an ice car. And usually happen slower the numbers are out on this. If you want to debate the difference in location and the difficulty to put out feel like there’s interesting discussion
@@Stepbystep74generic straw man fallacy response, the universally used defence by EVangelists. The residents of Kilwinning or the crew of Fremantle Highway or felicity ace may have strong opinions on battery fires, statistics on what’s more likely to catch fire , EV or ICE is irrelevant really.
Apart from the electrical safety issues you've outline, and ignoring the potential trip hazard these slots pose, what's going to happen when (inevitably) some utility company or other, decides it's time plough yet another trench down your pavement? Are they going to put all those charging slots neatly back?
Not just this, but if Earth bonds on different phases fail you could get a very large potential difference between outputs, and one cars chassis could be at a different earth potential than one next to it..
Completely baloney statement. If what you claim happens then the circuit breakers will terminate the electric connection - that's what they are meant to do. It's the same as in your bathroom. You can no longer electrocute yourself by tossing the hair dryer into your filled bath because of similar circuit breakers and they are standard everywhere - including in connections to the car. The car itself has such circuit breakers built in for a second level of security.
LOL - "If your interested in that kind of stuff" - No one is until they need to be. I had a grounding problem in the arctic one time, long story short - deeply frozen ground is non conductive and the fix got complicated. Of course consider the following - Bad grounding will kill people and reduce their carbon footprints. The policy is a win win for the environment.
I'm an electrical engineer in the Australian Power Generation and Wholesale Distribution space. I have been for 45 years. I generally have a huge problem with the EV push, system assumptions and the overwhelming science and physics arrogance on display. To give the audience some perspective, when power plants are designed the earthing grids get particular attention and for good reason. The amount of energy in and around these facilities, even from induction where their is no physical connection, can kill workers and people in general. So it's pretty serious from a design perspective and how equipment is made safe to do maintenance on. If you allow voltages to "float" because they aren't tied solidly to a common earth then a circuit for electricity to flow can be created, the conductors of which can be human beings in the worst of cases. So this kind of stuff driven by bureaucrats is extremely dangerous. At a fundamental level, installing a 350kW fast charger is like connecting a few hundred new homes to the electricity network, add four or five and it's like adding a small town or village in a handful of little boxes. This is really crazy stuff.
this is how my £££ tax is spent by our government! Portsmouth UK applied to built 100s of on street slow chargers for several million ££. Couple of years later every single chargers had to be turned off because safety concerns... all those millions of £££ from taxpayers money Now asking for another millions of £££ taxpayer money to install chargers in front of every property, completely ignoring that space in front of your house is not guaranteed. Actually to get your space in front of your house is like 1% chance. 99% of the time you will be parking completely somewhere else... dont worry about spending my hard earn tax money on something useful... I am glad its wasted on this pile of garbage! and then 2 years later turned of for safety concerns!
Last year, staying in my cousin’s home, in Streatham Hill in London, my wife and I had a 300 metre walk to the Streatham High street in order to catch a train or bus into central London. Two problems confronted us on Amesbury avenue, EV power cable protectors across the footpath and dog turds! The first one is a new trip hazard we’re all being forced to accept, however, the second one (equally obnoxious) I haven’t seen on an Adelaide street for 3 or 4 decades!
I don't know if that proposal is about OVER the sidewalk. Here it is illegal to run any cords across a sidewalk since it creating a tripping hazard. If you need to charge your EV, it should happen in your garage -- so maybe you need to buy a more expensive home with a garage -- or maybe you need to spend thousands to improve the electrical of your current home -- or maybe we should stop this crap to force everyone to buy EV.
Another great point, as a former electrical engineer, perhaps we could get the EV owners to test the continuity by licking a lamp post with there wet hand on an EV charging cable???
Hi Simon, yet another example of EV lunacy that's not been thought through. Is there nothing this Government won't do to shoehorn EV's into the "net zero" agenda. Assuming all of the regulatory safety requirements are met, what happens in the depths of winter, when trying to fit a a cold, stiff and somewhat unwieldy cable into a relatively narrow and shallow trench in the pavement? It will be a "trip hazard" waiting to happen!
I used to drive nightliners (i.e. tour buses for music groups) and we always run cables out from venues to power the bus, usually 240v single phase but sometimes 415v 3-phase if the vehicle has an electrically operated air-con generator installed. I've never really thought about this high potential difference between different grounding points, but I can categorically claim that the issue had never been drawn to my attention. Then there's festivals where groups of 25-100 of these types of vehicles could be parked in close proximity of each other and not necessarily be connected to the same generator. Scary now to think of the potential risks involved.
Since this video is just FUD - scare mongering for the act of scare mongering - I wouldn't worry about what you did. You did nothing wrong and were in no danger because of it.
Are you going to do a video on how people issued with EVs as company cars are being demoted and generally being overlooked in the workplace because they can no longer travel and attend all the meetings they used to?
@@karlgunterwunsch1950 politics is important... However failure to attend meetings or not to be around in branch offices will eventually lead to your demise in the company. Kind of like having lots of sick days. Best to sneak around in your own ICE car on the days where the EV requires multiple charges.
I do recall back in the 1980"s about a local inventor with an EV and his biggest problem was pedestrians and push bikes riders because his car made Zero noise
Madness, which forgets that the chances of you being able to park right outside your own home each night in a street like that, are extremely low. Waste of time and money.
Also, when you live in a busy neighbourhood with only on-street parking, the chances of parking outside your own home are really slim, in my experience, maybe 1 in 50 times I could park right outside my house in my previous house (I now have a driveway). Often, maybe 1 in 4 times, I couldn't even park in the same street!
The footpath is owned by the local council, so any work to alter the footpath MUST be done by the council or a contractor working for the council. Why the hell would they give you a grant when they are the ones that by law will have to do the work. ?
@@EllieMaes-Grandad It's been 12 years man and yet no one has been zapped. How much longer do I have to wait before I can start comparing numbers of gas station fires against ev charger fires and other incidents?
We haven't even managed to get fibre broadband to everyone yet and that's been going on for years. Electric points for everyone and cables everywhere will be interesting! not to mention damage either accidental or stolen for the copper. I would love a crystal ball to see what actually happens.
You don't need fiber to put down an ev charger lol All you need is some electricity. Also theft of charging cables is relatively low because it's hard to cut them and because they don't contain much copper.
Copper theft will be on the rise and fix the issue. Besides, how many faulty installs will allow random EV drivers from tapping juice from your extention cord, unless there is some contactor in the house switching off the current unless the owners EV is hooked up?
Today I stumbled upon some articles. On Sunday an EV crashed into a tree in Lower Saxony (Germany) and very quickly went up in flames. A severely injured child could be rescued by first responders but the 2 adults died in the wreck. On the same day 2 other accidents occurred with cars hitting a tree. Sadly it was not mentioned which type of car it was. But I assume they were ICE because they didn’t catch fire.
In NA, ground/neutral is provided by the guy wire that holds the low-voltage wires between poles and houses with each pole having its own grounding rod. Pole-mounted EVSEs can tap into the pole's ground/neutral wire and that should take care of keeping it pretty close to the same ground potential as anything else nearby that is properly grounded to avoid having a dangerous potential difference with the nearby utility poles. In those instances, the electrocution risk would come primarily from the presence of non-code-compliant stuff around the installation site, not the installation itself.
Forget the electrocution implications. What about the fights because someone has parked legally outside your house and is blocking you from charging, or uses your socket to charge their car. Let alone the potential lawsuits for trip hazards, because you have not placed the cable correctly. These are the people that govern use, priceless.
There's no such thing as a 'government grant' it's taxpayer's money.
Fair point
100%
The paltry sum offered is not sufficient to cover the total cost of installation.
@@gaiustacitus4242 then give that ‘paltry sum’ off everyone’s council rates. Right across the board.
Or they just print it.....
Just yet another example of why politicians should *_NOT_* be allowed to make decisions.
I was thinking more that politicians should be plugged into the grid. :-)
@@adenwellsmith6908 In a Supercharger or any high voltage outlet, preferently by the bollocks or the titties, as needed😂
@@adenwellsmith6908 To a Supercharger or any AC high voltage source, preferently by the plums or the mammary glands as required😂
Mine got hidden too.
Censorshit!!😂
@@adenwellsmith6908 May I suggest using a special chair connected to the grid. We could call it a "charge chair". That way it would sound good while it does good!
The unseen sign at all of these says: _Free Copper Cable._
Great isn’t it
Disconnect at your own risk.
That's what is happening here. Scrappers are vandalizing EV chargers for the copper and aluminum.
Good point 😂😆
@@bobpitt1261I saw that they cut a life three phase cable under a load of 500 amps with an axe.😁
Attention Lawyers: A new potential lawsuit cash cow has appeared on the scene.
PPI claims not producing the cash? Move onto to other ways of legally generated profits.
new potential lawsuits grounded in a failure of proper cross agency bonding - whose fault is that?
Might b time 2 buy get sum money back to pay it off if ya not fried😅😅
@@ragtowne You sue the owner of the charging system responsible for the injury or loss. The owner can then sue the installation company, and on it goes down the line. 😉
Won't be long now.
Where do they get their loopy ideas from? Typical politicians!
They are paid. That is, line their pockets. “Ideas” have no room in the equation.
@@k.chriscaldwell4141always follow the money!
To be fair, it was the idiot public servants who had the brain fart they call an idea, but the moron politicians just go along with it and nobody is ever held accountable.
Lol, you guys are going to lose it when you find out that underground power delivery is everywhere! How on earth do you manage cope with the anxiety when you go outside. It's a mystery. As is your ignorance of devices like RCD's that trip instantly on a short to ground.
@@drumphil00 That's funny, good one. The difference being that power networks are maintained by people who understand stuff but now you have Mrs Miggins leaving power cables in the street gutters. What could possibly go wrong.
WEF agenda at all costs!,
@@badchefi Educate yourself or say nothing (or at least have it make sense).
Exactly !
@@badchefi Found one, found the usual suspects here
Why is he even here ?
Power pole chargers have no leads .only the plug in.
These EVs are complete lunacy.
Fascinating. A few weeks ago I was chatting to a (UK) railways electrician who was building a trackside electrical cabinet. The railway is beside a footpath. As we chatted, he realised that the cabinet required a common Earth with everything nearby. The metal railway fence, a lamp post etc. The reason being, a pedestrian could reach the electrical cabinet from the footpath. Your post is explaining exactly the same thing!
Oh look. Another artificial support by the taxpayer of rich peoples toys. Wonder if I can get a taxpayer funded rebate to instal a petrol pump in my front garden?
Like how the US government paid off loans from people that were affluent enough to attend college.
Meanwhile nothing for people that paid their own way for technical certifications like IT or HVAC
It's not of about rich/poor. The ev push is purely about societal control through technology.
@@sabastian4858it’s ALWAYS about rich and poor, the oligarchs are rich and keep us poor
Yes and these POS are giving electricity rebates if you are charging an EV while many of our Canadian population couldn’t afford heat this winter due to profit driven huge pricing.
@@sabastian4858 the entire ‘saving the planet’ just conveniently involves spending huge amounts of money making everyone change cars, building new charging stations, rebuilding the grid network to cater, building massive amounts of renewables while decommissioning useful power stations at the same time. Believe me isn’t it convenient that it just happens the elite are making bucket loads of money out of all this while we subsidise the purchase of cars. I’ve never had my car purchase subsidised in 50 years by the government.
Those regulations were enforced when politicians pretended to care for actual public safety.
No, they just got paid more than the petrol companies - for once!
The government is offering "grants" to install charging point for EV's. TRANSLATION: Those who can afford a $60k car are being subsidized by those who can't afford a $60k car.
That's funny. My EV cost $41,000, not $60,000. And there are plenty of fossil fuel subsidies that leave people who walk or bike to work subsidizing those who drive.
@@drumphil00 What fossil fuel subsidies are these, then?
@@vincentcausey8498 Lol, try googling "Australian fossil fuel subsidies".. around 11 Billion in 2022-2023.
@@vincentcausey8498 Lol, try googling "Australian fossil fuel subsidies". Around 11 billion in 2022-2023. Lets see if this comment gets deleted again.
@@vincentcausey8498 Sorry, trying to reply, but they just get deleted.
sounds like the same people who are offering 350 pounds are the same people involved in the Post Office debacle....
“You’re the carbon they want to reduce…”
Boiled down truth
Correcto
So the government's idea is that you run a cable to your parked car on the street? It's nice if there's a space right outside your house.... but a good chance you'll be parked a way away. What's the solution? Very long cables I guess. We are being lead by complete idiots.
And when someone else parks outside that house, there will be much angst from the EV owner who can’t charge his car. We already see complaints here from people who don’t like others parking in front of their house.
Your last seven words sum it up. Indeed we are.
And as for the poor souls living in blocks of flats etc- I predict mayhem 🤔
Council with rent you the parking space outside your house. More money for them. Should be interesting in narrow terraced streets.
That's the solution to range anxiety- just plug your wonder wagon in before you leave home and let the cable spool out behind you. If you have a cable say 300 km long you should be right. I see no problems with this amazing new EV system. Vote Me 1.
If these lunatic politicians think this is such a good policy, maybe they should be the ones individually sued instead of the taxpayer via the government.
Abso-blooming-lutely.
I was watching a re-run of a police programme where an EV was involved in an accident, They mentioned that emergency services are not permitted to touch the car to rescue the occupants until an electrician has deemed it 'safe' & the bodywork hasn't become live, Now just imagine if you are stuck in the thing while the batteries are blowing up & the emergency services are just having to stand there & watch, pretty frightening i would say.
Makes sense. I mean new EVs have 800 volts running through them.
When you have to continually revisit the concept of EV’s and their charging to correct faults you didn’t think of in the first place you know the whole process was rushed through without proper thought.
Oh there was proper “thought” just not the kind that values the average consumer
@@badchefi Are you 77th brigade, or are you just clueless?
@@badchefi I suppose when you have wasted a huge amount of money on a complete dud you have to justify it to yourself.
Yes an idiot and his money are easily parted
@@badchefi So you're both. Thanks for clearing that up.
I recently watched a YT video from a UK electrician who said that most of the home chargers that had been installed by him and others in the UK were now "non-compliant" with current regulations. As they had changed their recommendations on how they should be protected by circuit breakers. He didn't think that many would ever be updated.
That's why wall boxes have the mandatory circuit breakers built in. Whoever installed cabling without using a wall box should be connected to mains circuit for an hour..
Plus there's a whole load of guidance on home solar type Battery installation coming along apparently - like not placing them in the roof and isolated etc
How hard is it to replace a circuit breaker lol
He's an idiot and not to be trusted. He's passing the buck and making it My Energi's fault when in fact its his failure to follow the instructions and provide additional protection. My dad had no issue in getting his sorted so why is that moron having such an issue, hint, its his fault.
@iscadean3607idiotic comment. Your battery car won't charge anywhere near as fast than if you had a dedicated charging point. You know that, I know it, so what's your point?
Ah yes indeed. On a rainy day, the el cheapo EV charging connection from someone's house begins to work like a giant Bug Zapper on the local pedestrian traffic using the footpath. Now the Misanthropic EcoMarxists may be ecstatic over the rates of human depopulation potential, but the rest of us will be wholly unimpressed with this development.
A giant bug zapper? Any short to ground will trip an RCD instantly. You seem to have very strong opinions for someone without a basic understanding of electrical distribution, safety devices, and physics.
That's just a bunch of BS. As is this whole FUD video.
The wires will catch fire from overcapacity before that ever happens.
Well, reducing population from billions down to 250 millions is one of their goals listed on the Georgia guidestones.
Ive charged many times in the rain yet I'm still somehow alive
Why should I pay for their stupid choices??
I haven’t lived in the city of Toronto for several decades, but at one time, small metal access covers embedded in concrete sidewalks would often become electrified when runoff from salted sidewalks during winter caused corrosion of the cables buried beneath. Several dogs were electrocuted as a result. This idea is madness.
I was advised by a friend who contracts to my local council, they are dead against this on a liability basis. Lets put it this way if you trip on a object like building stuff etc, then the Council could still be held liable.
They will make themselves immune from liability and thus prosecution
Only if the Council has given permission. If the Council has explicitly prohibited it and you do it anyway, they are in the clear.
@@starpawsy People will pretend to have an accident, just to make a bullshit claim. And if the council wriggles out of it, the EV owner will be held liable. I'm quite looking forward to this. It's going to be hilarious.
@@matthewgodwin3050 Partially agree with you. At a higher level, the EV circus will be an interesting one for years to come.
Keep talking sense. Good man.
If you think he's making sense then you'll love 'E for Electric' He got banned for dunking on the id. Buzz
This is crazy. In the UK you're not allowed to work on certain electrical items in your home under part B regs. Apparently the govt. now thinks it's OK to chuck high voltage cables around outside, without consulting anyone as far as I can see. There have been several councils that have banned this practice under advice from insurers and lawyers - it really is a non-starter.
Sadly I have to disagree with you.The very fact it's crazy dangerous is the reason why I think it is going to be rolled out.And as for anyone injured by it well that will just be their fault somehow.
@@stevengriffin7873If it's crazy dangerous then find me a single example of someone who was zapped by a public ev charger. I'm not including home chargers because some people are stupid enough to try and install those without any experience, wiring them wrong and killing themselves.
@@Luka_3D Give it time.
@@stevengriffin7873 It's been 12 years since the launch of the model s and the supercharger network. How much more time do you need? Also how many gas station fires caught fire in the meantime?
Like, EVs have a PLETHORA of issues. This just isn't one of them.
@@Luka_3DPeople have been shocked by these.
Good thing it doesn't rain much in the UK.
When a crappy idea is promoted by the people in power, it is touted as a good idea even though it is a dangerous one.
I have a really bad feeling these people are never going to give up. They are going to do anything and everything to force us against our free will to drive EV'S.
That is the point to give up our free will Don't do it.😎👍
There were some Irish fellas that got HMG to leave them alone. Just saying…
As the casualties in the various EV affairs continue to escalate the resulting lawsuits will eventually bankrupt so many people, businesses and maybe industries it will collapse into a steaming heap
@ragtowne We can only prey to the fuel ⛽️ gods that happens 😁.
@@ragtowne Which is the intended result, I suspect. Then the "experts" can rebuild society the way they want it.
I well remember a firm being sued when a blind person tripped over a cable they had put across the footpath. They were deemed to have ignored the risk that it may cause injury to a blind person. Nowadays people walk around paying no attention to anything but their phones, so they're going down. Not to mention the elderly or the young or anyone for that matter.
This off street charging just proves how stupid the politicians are and that they’ll do anything to get their own way
They aren’t stupid. They are actively forcing the wealthy to buy EVs which limit their freedom. The rest of us can walk or take a bike.
And, much more simply, a trip hazzard.
Ooh you could get a combo, tripped and then zapped.
I thought that's why they run in and not on the pavement...
anyway, EV's are honkus. they should better be looking for a combustion engine without emissions... which already exists... but... oil
@@las10plagashm, combustion without emissions, must be magic
@@Stormcrow_1 The cords are supposed to be in a channel below the surface.But don't be surprised if some entitled virtue signalling f'wit just lays it on the footpath and expects everyone to walk around it.
@@stefanth8596 I think it's a refence to hydrogen fueled engines.
Let me get this straight
people are supposed to plug in an extension cord to their house
and run the cable over the sidewalk
to their BEV?
I bet that violates a dozen code laws...
And some thief might take the cable for the copper in it 😄
But you forget one of the highest tenets of progressive policies:
"It is OK when we do it, because we have good intentions." In this case: good for the climate. One of the bestest intentions!
They are cutting a channel in the sidewalk to put the cable in, to avoid being a tripping hazard and to avoid damage to the cable from people walking on it. I've seen other videos that show it. Still likely a code violation, with the risk of the cable wearing through over time. Maybe a temporary solution, but not something that should be made permanent.
How many people will have tripped over the cable and, luckily, landed on a Claims4U lawyer?
@@my3dviews How on earth does underground power work all around the world?? And what fault do you imagine that an RCD wouldn't protect against?
and dont forget that the incoming cables of houses etc are on a 3 phase system , each house has a single phase , the neighbour has the next phase , there is a potentiality there of 415 volts between phases , the idea of close proximity different phases is very dangerous and risky , the lunacy just to promote something that is NOT good for the environment should be banned , we have the REGS for a reason , SAFETY
Close proximity between different phases is very dangerous??? How on earth does every shed on earth with three phase outlets not burn down? Crikey, we really are delving deep into the well of grumpy cranks.
The street lighting can be on an entirely different transformer. Without the luxury of Ground Fault Detectors, only a fuse.
"Each house has a single phase" is simply a false statement. Houses are connected to all three phases and there are even appliances already that require connection to all three, for example electric ovens or your warm water boiler. So stop spreading FUD.
@@karlgunterwunsch1950 My house is only one phase and 230 volts. If it had all three phases it would be 415 volts. You need to explain this one in detail as it makes no sense as I don't have a 3 phase cooker and never heard of one being available as a consumer item. All the three phase cookers I see for sale are professional ones for commercial sites which may very well have 3 phase supplies. How many houses in the UK are you saying have 3 phase supplies?
@@karlgunterwunsch1950 Not in the UK. If you want 3 phase to a house you have to apply for it and it costs a lot to have it approved and installed. So your statement is, in your own words, simply a false statement. You need to specify location since there are probably as many different systems as there are countries. If I want 3 phase in my house it will involve digging a trench from the cable running under the path outside the property to the meter location. I do not have an overhead supply. Some older properties near me do have overhead supplies so will be cheaper to connect to 3 phase but would still have to go through the approvals process.
and remember fellow sparkys , YOU are liable , personally i would never do this install
Our parliament in the UK and probably Australia, not a single engineeting degree amongst them........
They never had any scientific or medical qualifications either. Didn't stop them 4 years ago though, did it?
too many lawyers
Yes, this won't go 'south' at some 'point'. I'm surprised they haven't had any pushback from their insurance companies because somebody is going to get a shock and somebody is going to have to pay
That's because insurance companies are smart and know how likely it is for someone to get zapped. Unlike this guy who is making up stuff half the time.
@iscadean3607 comparing an iphone cable with a high voltage one? lol.
When I was a kid, you had to put on slippers to open our fridge because it had developed some sort of electrical fault and would zap you if you touched it while barefoot. If you happened to be in contact with a car that had this problem and a nearby lamppost that didn't share the same grounding system how does insulation help here?
@iscadean3607 Here's a challenge, buy a 10m extension lead, leave it outside 24/7 in the elements, let me know how long it takes for the 'insulation' starts to degrade and become brittle. The voltage between your house and EV is 120vac [America], 230vac [nearly everywhere else, (not 2.3vdc phone charger)] provided they are referencing the same earth. EV charger leads cost a min $100 USD, is the owner going to replace that regularly? Btw, I'm an electrician by trade, I may not know all things electrical but I do know the above.
Typical uneducated politicians.
Part P?
Also You do NOT own the road outside your house.
Do the councils also give the home owners the parking spaces in front of their houses for free or can anyone still park there .This is going to create a lot of problems with people parking in front of a house who has a ev and needs to charge to get to work the next day.
Yeah this is kind of bs where you don’t have off street parking, as a homeowner you don’t have the right to the space so anyone can use it. I feel like if your street is permitted it might be reasonable to pay for numbered spaces or something?
@@Stepbystep74 Yup, want to park outside your house to charge up only to find a petrol car there
Even the 'disabled' spaces marked out on the road are advisory. It would take an act of parliament to change the rule of the road which in the UK says that anyone can park their car on any adopted road. And if they tried to change the law, which would of course require a debate in the House of Commons, that in turn might expose all sorts of problems with EVs, who is going to enforce it? The UK police aren't turning out for burglaries or shoplifting.
I guess locally they could split parking permits and provide something like a “Zone B” and on request a “Zone B-e” or something, charge a little more for the added utility
@@Stepbystep74 No one enforces the parking regulations that exist now - except for paid car parks where money is involved. The police would not enforce it.
And where does the plug go when you're not using it? Also, how do you stop naughty people from charging their milk-float for free whilst YOU PAY?
Companies that issue public liability insurance to electricians will start having exemption clauses for fitting these potentially dangerous systems. That'll put a stop to it pretty darn quick!
It can’t happen quickly enough! Of course, that will mean some people try and do it themselves then……..
No electrician will be able to responsibly sign off a simultaneous contact assessment as they wont be able to determine the circumstances of use and hence the risks of potential difference at the time, there are too many unknown possibilities. Different properties can have dissimilar earthing values and It is known that one property can have a fault that effects their neighbour's supply to put it simply. This situation carries the problem outside the property to the public domain, hence the concern. The other point worth mentioning is that once this information from a accredited source is publicised ignorance is no defence from responsible persons and as such I cant see these being passed as safe. ( retired electrician)
I passed them as safe. I don't wanna be disrespectful to my seniors but please read up on the ev charging standards. There's a great amount of thought that went into making these as safe as they are, to the point where we haven't had a single case of someone getting zapped by a public charger.
@@Luka_3D Standards can and will be manipulated to suit (for example allowing 800V DC in a vehicle when that is never allowed for domestic installations) you must be well aware of the danger of taking an uncontrolled supply in to the public arena (and I mean uncontrolled use) If you had experienced and investigated the fatalities I have over 40 years I suggest you wouldn't dismiss it so lightly. Sadly It will happen and I suppose you will then say It was only one person. This is uncharted territory as far as usage of supply outside property boundaries. If you don't understand the potential dangers attached I would respectfully suggest another job that matches your attitude to risk.
I doubt your insurance company would be willing to take responsibility for an EV cable running from your house,
out across a public walkway, to your car. They'll give a very loud, "Oh, heck no!"
It is always great, when the government incentives rednecking your high voltage system.
That's just great. I always was afraid to get petrolocuted or dieselocuted in the parking lot, now this...
Keep these reality truth videos coming Counselor! I appreciate you VERY much sir! Cheers! 👍
The phrase “charging solutions” brings to my mind a vision of charging a large battery not with electric power but with one of various mysterious liquids…
One of my neighbours has a sensible solution. Forced to have an (S)EV by the government ( disability car - no choice!) they park it at the top of the drive - away from the house and easy access for fire brigade when needed, or on the road. They don’t seem to have a charger for it either attached to the house. They don’t go far so I presume they just use public chargers (might get reduced rate as disabled?). I must thank you for their sensible life choices when I see them next!
What about the other 99.99% of the people?
For the Australian viewers, we use a multiple earthed neutral system. That ensures there wouldn't be a potential difference in this scenario provided the installation is compliant with regulation. Fundamentally it's covered under AS3000:2018 but I suspect such a scenario wouldn't be allowed in any case. Keep up the good work Simon.
I worked on multi-story building projects all throughout Australia and Tasmania in the 80s and 90s.
Rules at the time said that trades men had to have their power extensions cords above the ground to prevent execution and trip hazards.
Most building managers on these sites would supply support stands to facilitate this need.
I've seen building sites shut down for days if extension cords were found on the ground/floor by safety officers.
How can Gov get away with not protecting the public from tripping, etc, on EV power cable on footpath, etc ?
Not a requirement in NSW. Well it wasnt in 2012, anyway LOL.
@@starpawsy
Most sites, not all.
@@charliepearce8767 I was an electronics technician at that time. I had to pass an electrical safety induction (that choice of words was hilarious) to work at Coles, Myer and Woolworths. All of which are heavily unionised and OH&S to the eyeballs. There was nothing about not running cables on the ground in any of those induction courses.
@starpawsy
Like I said, "not all buildings sites" in the in the 80s..
You being educated in your profession would understand what we're talking about in regards to electrical safety.
The same safety standard that's not being adhered to by local governments.
Or what, you think I'm, making storys up, or lying ?
@@charliepearce8767 No. I quite believe you. I think what it is is that there was no government mandate, and different industries having different standards.
Isn't it amazing how regulations go out the window when it suits the agenda.
And human rights violations like when the cv mandates were around! Still are actually!
How about tower blocks? Hundreds of cables across pavements? I thought we had to have wheelchair friendly buildings and footpaths.
Why not just route the cables the same way you route them for block heaters?
@@Luka_3D I don't think many people in the UK would even know what a block heater is. It's not that cold here!
@@edmundholmes7559 True but it's still an idea. If they can run cables for block heaters they can probably run them for slow chargers
Apply for the grant, put the money in the bank, spend the interest.
“Similar ground”! Lol
Stop! 😂
It hertz!! 🤣
I remember studying electrical engineering. The electricians book reminds me of almost a white pages thick book. It's amazing how the updates keep getting inserted into it as well. I wish I would have done the 4 years, but had too much on my plate and it was an intensive course. At the time I was studying from about 7am - 4pm then driving home, getting changed and then working about 5pm - 11 pm then getting home by midnight, eating dinner and sleeping by 1am. I'd then get up at 5am to start it all again.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out that I didn't last long doing that (a few months)
Apparently you are never going to run out of content for this channel. The planet is suffering from the irrationality of EV's when it should be rejoicing over rationality and human achievement and freedom.
As a retired electrician I can say that proper grounding is the most important and also the most violated of electrical codes. Sadly, too many people are ignorant of the risks to life. as I’ve heard it said: “You can’t regulate against stupid.”
It’s impressive how quickly governments ignore legally enforced
Electrical health and safety regulations when they have an agenda they want to push through. What could possibly go wrong. We are only ignorant peasants after all. Blame can always be attributed to the installers . “They are the experts,after all. They should have known better. “
How come the two best guys on UA-cam are based in Stralia ? MGUY guy and John Cadogan are true heroes and give power to the people and we the ordinary people owe them a massive thank you.
Running a cable from a house to the street could pose a public danger and should / will not be allowed.
Some genius left his extension cord running across the public sidewalk to charge his car. He did it for over a year until a kid broke their arm after getting their skateboard wheel caught on the wire one day. He was fined and told he was legally responsible for the injuries as it is a public walk way and he had no right to leave things there for people to trip on.
Nah, I'll stick with my ICE car.
As competent and responsible as the average punter is, clearly this will never ever become a problem.
Worked for a electricity supply co once upon a time and the though of plugging a HV cable into a car makes me nervous.
Yet the number of people who were zapped by a public ev charger is still zero. Don't know when you were in the industry but I think you need a refresher.
Must be correct if you say so.
@@marklittle3551 Don't trust me and do your own research. Or listen to this guy who made an entire video about an issue of which he couldn't find a single example of.
Let's hope it never happens. It happens occasionally in the power distribution industry and it ain't pretty and that's an industry that drums safety into its employees constantly and the infrastructure is fixed and static. In the case of the charging infrastructure it is accessible to the general public and involves plugging a HV cable into a vehicles of various condition and repair. Add to this the charging network is subjected to tampering due to copper theft and possibly vandalism. What can go wrong?
@@marklittle3551 Yeah making stuff like this idiot proof is probably hard af. Although I'd wager that that's why we seem to have so many issues with the infrastructure. Providers would rather have their stuff not work because it wasn't 100% sure it's safe than getting sued for killing someone.
Thermal runaway is more fun. Come on you EV people, pick one.
The fire risk is about 1/20 of an ice car. And usually happen slower the numbers are out on this. If you want to debate the difference in location and the difficulty to put out feel like there’s interesting discussion
no, just corrupt ones who sold their soul!
I'll choose Thermal runaway. There's a chance you'll live whereas electrocution is always fatal.
@@Stepbystep74 Arrrrr yes that old chet nut that is proven false... but hey you keep pushing it as it makes you feel better..
@@Stepbystep74generic straw man fallacy response, the universally used defence by EVangelists.
The residents of Kilwinning or the crew of Fremantle Highway or felicity ace may have strong opinions on battery fires, statistics on what’s more likely to catch fire , EV or ICE is irrelevant really.
Apart from the electrical safety issues you've outline, and ignoring the potential trip hazard these slots pose, what's going to happen when (inevitably) some utility company or other, decides it's time plough yet another trench down your pavement? Are they going to put all those charging slots neatly back?
Children will be attracted to colourful cables and dogs could poop on it.
Thanks for the idea.
I'm going to teach my dog a new trick. 😂
It’s not the my dog pooping on it I am worried about!
Apart from the cables are a nice colourdul shade of black.
Not just this, but if Earth bonds on different phases fail you could get a very large potential difference between outputs, and one cars chassis could be at a different earth potential than one next to it..
Completely baloney statement. If what you claim happens then the circuit breakers will terminate the electric connection - that's what they are meant to do. It's the same as in your bathroom. You can no longer electrocute yourself by tossing the hair dryer into your filled bath because of similar circuit breakers and they are standard everywhere - including in connections to the car. The car itself has such circuit breakers built in for a second level of security.
This is actually a good sign. They are scraping the bottom of the barrel for anything that makes EVs practical. This insanity will end soon.
LOL - "If your interested in that kind of stuff" - No one is until they need to be. I had a grounding problem in the arctic one time, long story short - deeply frozen ground is non conductive and the fix got complicated. Of course consider the following - Bad grounding will kill people and reduce their carbon footprints. The policy is a win win for the environment.
This topic never gets cold!
I'm an electrical engineer in the Australian Power Generation and Wholesale Distribution space. I have been for 45 years. I generally have a huge problem with the EV push, system assumptions and the overwhelming science and physics arrogance on display. To give the audience some perspective, when power plants are designed the earthing grids get particular attention and for good reason. The amount of energy in and around these facilities, even from induction where their is no physical connection, can kill workers and people in general. So it's pretty serious from a design perspective and how equipment is made safe to do maintenance on. If you allow voltages to "float" because they aren't tied solidly to a common earth then a circuit for electricity to flow can be created, the conductors of which can be human beings in the worst of cases. So this kind of stuff driven by bureaucrats is extremely dangerous. At a fundamental level, installing a 350kW fast charger is like connecting a few hundred new homes to the electricity network, add four or five and it's like adding a small town or village in a handful of little boxes. This is really crazy stuff.
this is how my £££ tax is spent by our government!
Portsmouth UK applied to built 100s of on street slow chargers for several million ££.
Couple of years later every single chargers had to be turned off because safety concerns... all those millions of £££ from taxpayers money
Now asking for another millions of £££ taxpayer money to install chargers in front of every property, completely ignoring that space in front of your house is not guaranteed. Actually to get your space in front of your house is like 1% chance. 99% of the time you will be parking completely somewhere else... dont worry about spending my hard earn tax money on something useful... I am glad its wasted on this pile of garbage! and then 2 years later turned of for safety concerns!
Mandatory reading for Blackout Bowen! 😂
Add some rain and things will be so much more interesting x)
Especially after a few prams, Childs bikes and dog urine has weathered the cables……..
I said I’d never get a EV but now that I’ve heard that it will give me a shock while charging it I’m sold it’s the new fun way to clear your mind
Reminds me of a punk age song from the 80s . I like to plug them in,I like to watch them spin ,I like electric motors....😄
Patrick D.Martin !!!! 🎉❤😂
Last year, staying in my cousin’s home, in Streatham Hill in London, my wife and I had a 300 metre walk to the Streatham High street in order to catch a train or bus into central London. Two problems confronted us on Amesbury avenue, EV power cable protectors across the footpath and dog turds! The first one is a new trip hazard we’re all being forced to accept, however, the second one (equally obnoxious) I haven’t seen on an Adelaide street for 3 or 4 decades!
I don't know if that proposal is about OVER the sidewalk. Here it is illegal to run any cords across a sidewalk since it creating a tripping hazard.
If you need to charge your EV, it should happen in your garage -- so maybe you need to buy a more expensive home with a garage -- or maybe you need to spend thousands to improve the electrical of your current home -- or maybe we should stop this crap to force everyone to buy EV.
If there are cables lying around and someone trips and injury's themself who is going to be liable?
The householder I am guessing. Just another reason you won’t be able to get house insurance if you have an sev! (Sev=spontaneous explosive vehicle)
Another great point, as a former electrical engineer, perhaps we could get the EV owners to test the continuity by licking a lamp post with there wet hand on an EV charging cable???
I've already put my hand on a wet charging cable soo... Yeah still not dead
I find that most people who are well grounded, down to earth individuals, are those who avoid EV technology shockingly enough.
Don't quit your day job to do comedy.
Hi Simon, yet another example of EV lunacy that's not been thought through. Is there nothing this Government won't do to shoehorn EV's into the "net zero" agenda.
Assuming all of the regulatory safety requirements are met, what happens in the depths of winter, when trying to fit a a cold, stiff and somewhat unwieldy cable into a relatively narrow and shallow trench in the pavement? It will be a "trip hazard" waiting to happen!
As I interpreted this it was meant to stay in the trench. Not that this would be any safer…
I used to drive nightliners (i.e. tour buses for music groups) and we always run cables out from venues to power the bus, usually 240v single phase but sometimes 415v 3-phase if the vehicle has an electrically operated air-con generator installed. I've never really thought about this high potential difference between different grounding points, but I can categorically claim that the issue had never been drawn to my attention. Then there's festivals where groups of 25-100 of these types of vehicles could be parked in close proximity of each other and not necessarily be connected to the same generator. Scary now to think of the potential risks involved.
Since this video is just FUD - scare mongering for the act of scare mongering - I wouldn't worry about what you did. You did nothing wrong and were in no danger because of it.
@@karlgunterwunsch1950 Really? I don't think there'd be regulations against the practise if it was just 'scare mongering', do you?
Are you going to do a video on how people issued with EVs as company cars are being demoted and generally being overlooked in the workplace because they can no longer travel and attend all the meetings they used to?
Interesting point. There are so many of them.
Interesting, all my colleagues now drive EV and nobody got demoted except the guy who insisted on an ICE...
@@karlgunterwunsch1950 politics is important... However failure to attend meetings or not to be around in branch offices will eventually lead to your demise in the company. Kind of like having lots of sick days. Best to sneak around in your own ICE car on the days where the EV requires multiple charges.
I do recall back in the 1980"s about a local inventor with an EV and his biggest problem was pedestrians and push bikes riders because his car made Zero noise
Are you talking about the 8-bit-guy? I think i heard him talk about that. He was one of the first to convert his car.
Madness, which forgets that the chances of you being able to park right outside your own home each night in a street like that, are extremely low. Waste of time and money.
Also, when you live in a busy neighbourhood with only on-street parking, the chances of parking outside your own home are really slim, in my experience, maybe 1 in 50 times I could park right outside my house in my previous house (I now have a driveway). Often, maybe 1 in 4 times, I couldn't even park in the same street!
The footpath is owned by the local council, so any work to alter the footpath MUST be done by the council or a contractor working for the council.
Why the hell would they give you a grant when they are the ones that by law will have to do the work. ?
The grant is used towards the payment you are paying the council.
Retired PE & electric engineer. Totally agree on dangers. Maintaining good grounding among various metal equipment always a concern
Providing it is the owner of the EV who receives the high voltage, I see this as a benefit, and not a problem.
I understand perfectly! It's the difference in potential!
What's the significance of a few electrocutions when you're saving the planet?
Find me one example of someone who's been electrocuted by a public ev charger.
@@Luka_3D Not happened yet? Give it time . . .
@@EllieMaes-Grandad It's been 12 years man and yet no one has been zapped. How much longer do I have to wait before I can start comparing numbers of gas station fires against ev charger fires and other incidents?
We haven't even managed to get fibre broadband to everyone yet and that's been going on for years. Electric points for everyone and cables everywhere will be interesting! not to mention damage either accidental or stolen for the copper. I would love a crystal ball to see what actually happens.
You don't need fiber to put down an ev charger lol
All you need is some electricity. Also theft of charging cables is relatively low because it's hard to cut them and because they don't contain much copper.
Why does this require a government grant?
Because they are desperate to see more (S)EVs on the road! They think if they throw money at people enough of us will comply.
It would be free money from taxpayers to people who already have more money than sense.
Politicians base all of their decisions on politics, not on reality.
Copper theft will be on the rise and fix the issue. Besides, how many faulty installs will allow random EV drivers from tapping juice from your extention cord, unless there is some contactor in the house switching off the current unless the owners EV is hooked up?
When ever I see an unattended electrical device plugged in consuming power I unplug it. It helps save the planet.
@@adenwellsmith6908 I helped improving sockets by removing the N wire from it's screw and leaving the F one. Measuring across you still read 230V
@@ttkddry Three phase, you get more volts if you cross the phases.
@@adenwellsmith6908 you mean between a phase and the neutral (if present) you get 380 V while between the phases there is only 230 V
@@ttkddry Wrong way around. Between any phase and ground you will get 230V but between phases you'll get 380V (phase offset of 120°)...
Today I stumbled upon some articles. On Sunday an EV crashed into a tree in Lower Saxony (Germany) and very quickly went up in flames. A severely injured child could be rescued by first responders but the 2 adults died in the wreck.
On the same day 2 other accidents occurred with cars hitting a tree. Sadly it was not mentioned which type of car it was. But I assume they were ICE because they didn’t catch fire.
The media often reports hybrids, which do often catch fire as EVs. Also the other car could also be a hybrid or ev. You never know.
Definitely Trump's Fault
No,no, it's Brexits fault.
Hopefully they indict him for these crimes! 🤣
@@Cincy32 Only a matter of time.
Few people know it, but Trump is responsible for the extinction of dinosaurs, too.
@@Cincy32they won't. Money talks he'll buy himself out
In NA, ground/neutral is provided by the guy wire that holds the low-voltage wires between poles and houses with each pole having its own grounding rod. Pole-mounted EVSEs can tap into the pole's ground/neutral wire and that should take care of keeping it pretty close to the same ground potential as anything else nearby that is properly grounded to avoid having a dangerous potential difference with the nearby utility poles. In those instances, the electrocution risk would come primarily from the presence of non-code-compliant stuff around the installation site, not the installation itself.
Safety goes out the window when they want something so desperately.A few dead bodies but look how much we made
Find me a single example of someone who was zapped by. A Public charger lol
Forget the electrocution implications. What about the fights because someone has parked legally outside your house and is blocking you from charging, or uses your socket to charge their car. Let alone the potential lawsuits for trip hazards, because you have not placed the cable correctly. These are the people that govern use, priceless.