I strongly dislike people not using sand flags, they make such a difference spotting people an extra dune away rather than as you crest. Especially on Sand dune based WA tracks.
True, plus his opinion was rather illogical. I mean its implied that you dont rely on them 100% but they're one extra warning of a vehicle coming. Its better to have some people using them on the dunes than nobody.
With the amount of vehicles on the tracks these days we don’t leave home with out a sand flag - even just for normal tracks. Once you’ve had a close call you’ll know why…
The scariest part of a sand dune is when you’re out with the boys, the place is full of people, and you can’t make it to the top to impress the ladies and kids!
I used to have a 2010 Wrangler 2door for my 4x4. In Canada we don't have sand dunes but I used it for piping pluver conservancy on beaches. 25psi all around did the job in 2nd gear 4H. As long as you have momentum
Excellent info Ronny! W.A. is spoiled for choice when it comes to sand driving. Learnt so much when i was over there with the Zuki, especially the "not to panic" bit. 🙂👍
Great video Ronni. I noticed that all the vehicles you had are manuals how about teaching us how to drive autos up and down sand dunes would be great cheers
Like all, depends on the car, but almist the same thing, with my wrangler JK, on low gear, I drive in D, rarely 4th, in high gear, it's switching between 1st and 2nd, sometimes 3rd
Have seen so many drop off's over a dune out at Stockton. Many don't check before they go over. Have seen dunes collapse when brakes are applied and wheels lock going down. Sand bowls are for going round and around in a buggy. Never rely on past experience there. The dunes can change so much.
Great video, never gave it much thought but I can see how it could go wrong. I live a day trip away from some big dunes so will probably try it at some point
Sand dunes are a lot of fun but very dangerous. I used to like to ride them but stopped after seeing so many devastating crashes. If you're going out for the first few times find yourself an easier area than what he was on and walk it all first so you learn it. One bad drop can be catastrophic.
For the record for his LC 79 series he doesn't like any after market rear side mirrors. Towing a trailers of all sizes the stock ones always get the job done. It is good enough no need to replaced them with a foldable multi-purpose, rigid, expensive after market products like the ones Clear view Mirrors made for off road and towing purposes😃
Night time driving. I share a different opinion. Back in the early 2000s when Kurnell was still a descent place to sand 4wd (and it was free), night time was the only driving I ever did as it was safer. Why? Headlights, better than any sand flag and you quickly learnt to read the long shadows cast by you lights. This was well before the days of light bars and [affordable] 9inch spotties. We had the best times 4wding the old dunes at night.
"Never drive the dunes at night" 😅 damn then i shouldnt have spent my last weekend doing a night crossing also a quick tip, if your car's engine temp goes up, run the AC at full heat to heal cool it off. Worked wonders for my jeep
I would also add, consider not beach driving at the interchange of seasons, because the sand is shifting heaps more than usual and gets super, super soft. A park ranger told me that after nearly losing a vehicle, lucky we had a caravan park with a tractor to pull us out near by after a failed attempt to get our boat out, pulled the trailer and boat out by hand, tractor lifted the front, let the sand level out and then started pulling, thought the tractor was gonna rip the car in half. The ranger had a scrap book of recoveries with him at the time, the park obviously called the ranger, saw some pretty serious sh!t.
spent two hours bogged out the back of the lancelin dunes in deep wind blown sand. dig fest and tyres down to 10 psi got us out. this was back in 94, way before maxtrax. a shovel a high lift jack and 20m of wire rope was our recovery gear back then. ahh good times
Hi Ronny, thanks for all the advice and tips. I have a question, Do I need to lock my center differential or rear diferrential as well whenever driving on the sand dunes apart from engaging it to Low Gear? Or differential lock is only needed when the car is bogged? Im still in doubt about this on my LC300. Thanks!
Always, always, always use a sand flag - preferably on the right front of the rack. And a Simpson Desert sand flag with a cross is compulsory - may as well buy one now.
I have to admit that the most terrifying thing that I have ever done in my life was to go down a huge dune in reverse after failing to get to the top. Just the thought makes my palms sweaty.
p=mv p is momentum, m is mass and v is velocity. The equation shows, proved by Newton's mechanical experiments and mathematical analysis (involving calculus), that the less mass you have then velocity needs to be increased. Conversely, the greater your mass, the less that velocity is required. Small vehicles need to speed up to get over a sand dune. Low and slow doesn't work. It takes practice.
Great video, however some techniques are less suited to fast paced drives like this one ua-cam.com/video/SDZ0Q6lLsqI/v-deo.html Side cresting is preferred because you can see what's on the other side and decide to take the crest or not, but it requires more technique to stabilize the car and can be done only at relatively high speed. I agree that a flag is not very relevant in discovery trips, but it's always a good practice and it's a must in fast drives. Also, it is impossible to get out from some big bowls front cresting like in the video, you need to keep spinning inside the bowl enlarging the circle gradually using the centrifugal force to your advantage until you reach the edges.
Run or don't run a flag, all up to you. I agree that people shouldn't rely on sand flags as a way to see and get seen, but just because you can't rely on them doesn't mean you shouldn't have them / they are useless. Wearing a seatbelt and having airbags isn't an excuse to drive like a moron, but they do help. I feel the same way about sand flags. Otherwise, very good video. I did have a question, when reversing down a dune, do you ride the clutch? Or do you fully disengage? I saw a landrover perentie video that suggested you should turn of the car, put it in reverse, lift off the clutch, and start the vehicle while it is in reverse, to give you the best stability. But I'm not sure what to make of it.
In your experience, how do 245/60R20 street radials compare to 265/70R17 street radials on the beach? Assuming equal soil conditions for both tire sizes. I'm specifically asking about Michelin Defenders. My concern is the smaller sidewall of the 20" tires. Thanks, Keith
Unfortunately the local @ss(o)s have disrespected our sandbox. So not much sand skills can be acquired,.. looks like a great place to be, Respect what you have guys, old and young blood,,
Second time out in my 4x4 the group I drive with went exactly where Ronnie is now and spent the day doing different dunes. Everyone had so much fun I’m sure we will be returning often.
I strongly dislike people not using sand flags, they make such a difference spotting people an extra dune away rather than as you crest. Especially on Sand dune based WA tracks.
True, plus his opinion was rather illogical. I mean its implied that you dont rely on them 100% but they're one extra warning of a vehicle coming. Its better to have some people using them on the dunes than nobody.
With the amount of vehicles on the tracks these days we don’t leave home with out a sand flag - even just for normal tracks. Once you’ve had a close call you’ll know why…
@@Turbofte Agreed. Real reason he doesn't use sand flags is trying to look cool. Needs to grow up and put safety first.
It was basically mandatory with a buggy.
The scariest part of a sand dune is when you’re out with the boys, the place is full of people, and you can’t make it to the top to impress the ladies and kids!
Great video Ronny!
You gave some excellent advice on how to tackle different types of sand dunes!
Thank you for the video!
Great content.
Wouldnt say ive done heaps of dunes so gave me a bit more confidence and some basics.
Thanks
Thanks for the info. I'm going to the dunes in Michigan. Love your channel and information.
I used to have a 2010 Wrangler 2door for my 4x4. In Canada we don't have sand dunes but I used it for piping pluver conservancy on beaches. 25psi all around did the job in 2nd gear 4H. As long as you have momentum
piping plovers are lovely. thanks for looking after them. You may not have sand dunes but you gave stunning lakes and mountain forests
Excellent, thank you 👍👍🇺🇸
Lake Havasu 🌞 Az
Excellent info Ronny! W.A. is spoiled for choice when it comes to sand driving. Learnt so much when i was over there with the Zuki, especially the "not to panic" bit. 🙂👍
Ronnie, another great video! I've not seen Torb in a while. I trust he's doing well??? Cheers, Mate.
Great video Ronni.
I noticed that all the vehicles you had are manuals how about teaching us how to drive autos up and down sand dunes would be great cheers
Like all, depends on the car, but almist the same thing, with my wrangler JK, on low gear, I drive in D, rarely 4th, in high gear, it's switching between 1st and 2nd, sometimes 3rd
Another great vid guys, thanks for your insight, but if it is busy put a sand flag up, safety first 😀 cheers
Have seen so many drop off's over a dune out at Stockton. Many don't check before they go over. Have seen dunes collapse when brakes are applied and wheels lock going down. Sand bowls are for going round and around in a buggy.
Never rely on past experience there. The dunes can change so much.
Great video Ronnie 👍👍👍👍
Thanks for the tips Ronny.👍
Nice video as usual, what is the rim size of the lc79 and the brand name
they are PCOR rims from Patriot Campers -25 offset
@@Ronny_Dahl Hey Ronny, what brand tyre deflator are you using in this video?
Great video, never gave it much thought but I can see how it could go wrong. I live a day trip away from some big dunes so will probably try it at some point
Sand dunes are a lot of fun but very dangerous. I used to like to ride them but stopped after seeing so many devastating crashes. If you're going out for the first few times find yourself an easier area than what he was on and walk it all first so you learn it. One bad drop can be catastrophic.
I run 10 PSI on my 200 Series Sahara. It has Toyo OPAT3 tyres on it.
For the record for his LC 79 series he doesn't like any after market rear side mirrors. Towing a trailers of all sizes the stock ones always get the job done. It is good enough no need to replaced them with a foldable multi-purpose, rigid, expensive after market products like the ones Clear view Mirrors made for off road and towing purposes😃
Nice video Ronny thanks for sharing
Great vid Ronny .. I’m happy try some bigger dunes with this info .. hey, where did you get your hat?
Night time driving. I share a different opinion. Back in the early 2000s when Kurnell was still a descent place to sand 4wd (and it was free), night time was the only driving I ever did as it was safer. Why? Headlights, better than any sand flag and you quickly learnt to read the long shadows cast by you lights. This was well before the days of light bars and [affordable] 9inch spotties.
We had the best times 4wding the old dunes at night.
Great video. Very informative
good job bro
My favorite content.
I used to drive at Grover City Beach and Red Rock Canyon in Crappyfornia. I’ve loved driving in the sand since I was 5yo.
"Never drive the dunes at night"
😅 damn then i shouldnt have spent my last weekend doing a night crossing also a quick tip, if your car's engine temp goes up, run the AC at full heat to heal cool it off. Worked wonders for my jeep
I would also add, consider not beach driving at the interchange of seasons, because the sand is shifting heaps more than usual and gets super, super soft. A park ranger told me that after nearly losing a vehicle, lucky we had a caravan park with a tractor to pull us out near by after a failed attempt to get our boat out, pulled the trailer and boat out by hand, tractor lifted the front, let the sand level out and then started pulling, thought the tractor was gonna rip the car in half. The ranger had a scrap book of recoveries with him at the time, the park obviously called the ranger, saw some pretty serious sh!t.
do you downshift mid climb? how do you do it smoothly and maintain momentum?
spent two hours bogged out the back of the lancelin dunes in deep wind blown sand. dig fest and tyres down to 10 psi got us out. this was back in 94, way before maxtrax. a shovel a high lift jack and 20m of wire rope was our recovery gear back then. ahh good times
Good one Sir!!
When are you and the crew heading east again, mate? Great vid by the way.
What is better when climbing soft dunes wide or narrow tires ?
Hi Ronny, thanks for all the advice and tips. I have a question, Do I need to lock my center differential or rear diferrential as well whenever driving on the sand dunes apart from engaging it to Low Gear? Or differential lock is only needed when the car is bogged? Im still in doubt about this on my LC300. Thanks!
What would you recommend on a 2008 Suzuki jimny with AT’s?
Great video
Always, always, always use a sand flag - preferably on the right front of the rack. And a Simpson Desert sand flag with a cross is compulsory - may as well buy one now.
I got stuck in a sand bowl at lucky bay near Kalbarri and had my tyres at 20 psi I had to floor it in 1st gear hi range and that got me up
Here in the states most places require sand flags. Here in Oregon the flag has to be at least 9 feet above the ground.
I have to admit that the most terrifying thing that I have ever done in my life was to go down a huge dune in reverse after failing to get to the top. Just the thought makes my palms sweaty.
"light vehicle": *shows hilux
jimny: *sad noises
If he called hilux light vehicle. So jimmy is calcified as no weight vehicle or too light to be recorded
@@stellularbeef7109. Calcified and Classified as well .
What about hill descent control going down a dune compared to 1 gear low range?
Hey Ronny, can you share the brand of flares on your troopy? They’re great, cheers Frank
I honestly can’t remember mate I bought too many things on eBay lately 🤦♂️😂
@@Ronny_Dahl yep, doing a troopy build too 👍🏻
I haven't been around for a while. What happened to your SR5 Hilux ?
Are you in 4low when climbing a big dune?
Looks like Drummonds🍻
Yes Ronny 🤘🤘🇨🇦
How do you rate you’re tires in the sand?
Everyone knows u need twin staino snorkies and a stubby holder slipped onto 1 or all of your bullbar mounted aerials to go anywhere on sand
5:12 eye and ear candy 🍭
How do I reverse down with trailer, when I lose momentum to climb,..
Wish my 2 door Rubicon had a v8 diesel with all that low range torque
p=mv
p is momentum, m is mass and v is velocity.
The equation shows, proved by Newton's mechanical experiments and mathematical analysis (involving calculus), that the less mass you have then velocity needs to be increased. Conversely, the greater your mass, the less that velocity is required.
Small vehicles need to speed up to get over a sand dune. Low and slow doesn't work.
It takes practice.
hello how drive side dunes ???
front wheels wont lock up if you are in 4wd (center diff locked), either all of them are gonna lock up or none of them
Great video, however some techniques are less suited to fast paced drives like this one ua-cam.com/video/SDZ0Q6lLsqI/v-deo.html
Side cresting is preferred because you can see what's on the other side and decide to take the crest or not, but it requires more technique to stabilize the car and can be done only at relatively high speed. I agree that a flag is not very relevant in discovery trips, but it's always a good practice and it's a must in fast drives.
Also, it is impossible to get out from some big bowls front cresting like in the video, you need to keep spinning inside the bowl enlarging the circle gradually using the centrifugal force to your advantage until you reach the edges.
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Thank you for sharing.
What’s up mate
Run or don't run a flag, all up to you.
I agree that people shouldn't rely on sand flags as a way to see and get seen, but just because you can't rely on them doesn't mean you shouldn't have them / they are useless.
Wearing a seatbelt and having airbags isn't an excuse to drive like a moron, but they do help. I feel the same way about sand flags.
Otherwise, very good video. I did have a question, when reversing down a dune, do you ride the clutch? Or do you fully disengage? I saw a landrover perentie video that suggested you should turn of the car, put it in reverse, lift off the clutch, and start the vehicle while it is in reverse, to give you the best stability. But I'm not sure what to make of it.
You talk about engine braking what if the car is petrol how would you do it then
Do it the same way
Petrol cars have engines too believe it or not
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Its me noah you noe from denmark
your 3rd low is faster then my fith low at max rpm lol
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In your experience, how do 245/60R20 street radials compare to 265/70R17 street radials on the beach? Assuming equal soil conditions for both tire sizes. I'm specifically asking about Michelin Defenders. My concern is the smaller sidewall of the 20" tires.
Thanks,
Keith
Unfortunately the local @ss(o)s have disrespected our sandbox. So not much sand skills can be acquired,.. looks like a great place to be, Respect what you have guys, old and young blood,,
Aren’t sand flags compulsory in some places?
Yes and of course in that case I’ll use them
Yes in S,Aust
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who drive their car on sand dunes? 100? maybe 500 people in Australia?
They all must be in Lancelin WA then!
Plenty of people in Western Australia do. So many great places to drive on beaches, and dunes, when out fishing or camping or just the fun of it.
1000's upon 1000's.
You meed to get out more sir.
Second time out in my 4x4 the group I drive with went exactly where Ronnie is now and spent the day doing different dunes. Everyone had so much fun I’m sure we will be returning often.
Sand flags are mandatory in most sand driving spots in the USA. Great video Ronny, wish I had seen it before going to Oregon Dunes. @muddyruttzz