This is of course a subjective thing! Late game Junpei kinda slaps. And I probably underrated Ken, I just didn't value the Screens/2nd Theurgy much and prior to learning his characteristics, his SP felt a bit uncomfortable to manage. If you really like what he provides, he could definitely move up to even the highest Tier and Yukari could drop down (ultimately whoever you use more between the two is preference based). This was more to discuss each char (though it went rather long lol), rather than their specific placements
Ken is made to not have enough sp, all his attacks burns his Sp, his theurgia charges each time you consume sp and when you have extremely low sp he charges each turn. Ken and Yukari are used for different purposes. Yukari is a healer for a long battle and Ken is a healer for a hard battle, his second theurgia is overkill against everything, is the strongest support attack in the game. Can protect you of everything with the exception of almighty damage. For me there isn't a C character in reload and the game is made to change of party the whole time. The worst party member is probably shinjiro, but he gets firm stance and have endure and bloody charge is very powerful. Mainly because he only have 1 theurgia.
Ken's 2nd Theurgy is why i generally find Makarakarn and Tetrikarn a waste of slots unless youre playing on merciless because the MC is rarely going to die in a 2nd turn on any other difficulty unless you make a bad play or bring in a bad built persona. I bring ken into reaper fights but I feel like he doesn't offer as much as Yukari in some other fights mid-late game cuz her 1sit Thuergy does way more damage than Ken's first and her 2nd Theurgy gives the entire party support outside just shielding 1 hit.
To be fair, Junpei sucking in the early to mid game and only getting really good during the late game is a great way to parallel his role and growth in the plot with his gameplay
I do agree but at the same time MC gets stupid powerful in late game so in a gameplay perspective I think early and mid game is the hardest and where it matters the most persona series been always easy (except for super bosses like velvet room attendants)
Ken was a staple of my party pretty much as soon as I unlocked him. Not only does he have great coverage, but also can provide the best defense for the party without relying on any other character. Pair that up with dekaja and he becomes one of the best late game party members due to most bosses having heat riser. His second Theurgy basically completely turns around a losing battle as well, which is honestly busted.
I know youre talking about as a whole when ranking the party members but i just want to say for the endgame, what im gonna call the physical party has insane synergy. Mc, junpei, Aigis, and Koromaru go insane together. Koromaru gets revolution and power howling makes the other phys party members just absolutely insane. Aigis also provides great support by buffing attack and defense while koro boosts ability. Aigis can also heal while Junpei just absolutely nukes everything.
My A-team in endgame was Yukari, Junpei, and Mitsuru. Mitsuru + Junpei’s characteristics work perfectly together, especially when you put the Apt Pupil accessory and high crit rate weapon on Junpei. Once you get ambush and start most encounters with distressed enemies it trivializes them. Then for bosses, MC (or Mitsuru/Yukari, but I never kept ailment skills on them) can tag them with an ailment and Junpei usually crits after that too. And Yukari can keep everyone healed on the cheap cheap, which is great when using a lot of physical skills.
My final team was Mitsuru, Yukari and Aigis. It was liberating to have another party member take care of the buffing department and another to handle the debuffing, so I could just use Makoto's turn to use either Charge or Concentrate while the rest of the team would set things up for me
A lot of tartarus and monad bosses actually are susceptible to at least one ailment in the early-mid game, so mitsuru's ailments are actually really useful when you first get them if you poke for what can work. I spent a good portion of the game keeping foul breath on me, because there kept being situations where either mitsuru or yukari could eliminate any difficulty in the fight with an ailment.
My final party ended up being Yukari, Koro, and Ken. Yukari was the necessary white mage, Koro was too good of a boy not to add, and then I felt bad for Ken so I had a well thought out and put together team.
I think overall Yukari is on another level of usefulness then the other party members. She has no downsides, she covers every type of healing a party may need, she can be a decent offensive option and can buff and charge the party. In the early game also being able to apply Pulinpa can cheese lots of fights given the low resistance to ailments on the first floors of Tartarus. I completed the game using Yukari, Ken and Koro. I mainly choose Ken and Koro to help MC to hit enemy weakness and I think, especially when Koro learns auto masukunda, the best options for exloring tartarus. That being said, while Koro was a great choice even during boss battles, Ken struggled a lot. He is a very slow character, he fill lots of roles but cannot keep up with all of them enough to be a great party member during long boss fights. I wanted to mention one thing on Aigis that you didn't said in the video and that is the main reason I never used her instead of Ken. Aigis unfortunately is being held back by how powerful Yukari is in P3R. They both share an electric weakness and since Yukari is a must on every party, that means that Aigis is usually not a great choice to use with her
I ran a Aigis/Shinjiro/Koromaru glass cannon type team back in September it felt hella satisfying starting a turn with Koro using Revolution, Aigis using her phys skills and Orgia Mode, Shinji using his own already hard-hitting phys skills, and seeing the crits come in like crazy. I haven't tested it myself since I felt like I was getting too overleveled at that point but I imagine putting Junpei in place of Shinjiro when he leaves would do wonders considering how hard he rebounds lategame.
I'm surprised you didn't mentioned Dekaja for Ken. Literally SUCH a good buff to his moveset. Tartarus enemies love spamming buffs and Heat Riser. He was pretty much a mainstay in my party because of that
My comp I've been running is Yukari, Mitsuru and Koromaru. The coverage is already good enough, but I would put Mitsuru on the best tier with Yukari just because how good defense debuff is. Also, having Concentrate is extra good when you have Theurgy. I honestly don't know who could replace her
I have the exactly same composition as you, I couldn't agree more. I love debuffing m'y opponents way to much, Doggo for Debilitate and it's the crit festival for MC with a full strike Persona. Yukari's here to save my butt in case I greed too much while trying to crit xD
You don’t use Ken well; Heat Riser is a “this turn you get all your buffs back” spell you use on a Concentrated or Charged target who just lost their attack buff, or a Debilitate answer, or to refresh one of the buffs you need but wore off/was removed right before the boss attacks. Ken mostly exists to make sure enemies don’t get Knock Downs on your weak targets. He’s great for Reaper or forcing Megidolaon casts you can just heal through rather than having a Shadow get a 1 More and, say, buff themselves or attack again.
Good list i do think aigis is better than koro tho since by the late game youd have a lot of debilitating sutras. Playing on merciless having aigis be such a tank is so nice. At the end of it i gave her firm stance on an accessory to make her an unkillable support with sometimes really good dmg if fuuka charges her.
I used Yukari Junpei and Mitsuru pretty much exclusively post lvl 70, i didn't see a huge use for Aigis ever bc i didn't know when i was gonna be facing someone who resisted physical moves and figured occasionally having a fire weakness with Junpei could potentially be useful, even though he has awful magic scaling and doesn't even get decent moves till later, i mostly used the MC and for buffing and debuffing and went for high physical moves for crits on Junpei and shielded Mitsuru and had her use concentrate to blow up enemies with her strong ice moves. Honestly had i not had bad luck using Aigis earlier with her weakness always being hit, I'd probably have tried her more but I didn't see her buffs as too relevant since i was using the MC as a buffer and physical damage dealer in the moments that mattered so i found myself passing turns with Aigis never using her SP or getting nuked by her weaknesses
To be fair Junpeis Crits aren’t amazing till like Koro joins. His Skills early game only hover around 10% Crit + Characteristics +10% Crit. So he basically is Critting around 1/5 of the time before Koro comes and pushes it to 1/3. Even despite this Junpei is the Best Dps throughout the game because he just has the hardest hitting Skills out of all the party members. Torrent Shot is not far off of Deathbound in effective Base power and Blade of Fury outdoes Akis Gigantic Fist.
A couple things I'll add for mitsuru is mc can get those sprint skills that automatically cause distress when you ambush enemies and since she's one of the faster party members I began almost every non boss encounter with her critting and that immediately led to shift boosts so that's why she was an easy pick for that synergy. That and she's the only character other than protag that gets spirit drain so completing entire sections of Tartarus in a single night was easy with her and mc farming sp from low lv enemies
i really have to try late-game Junpei sometime. crit builds seem to be the best in the game, and with Koromaru Power Howling and an auto-matarukaja, you can get both Junpei and the MC to hit stupidly hard while ignoring resistances with their best weapons
I went full physical damage so Aigis and Aki stayed in my team the whole time. I also had Ken though I kept getting frustrated on how easily he would die and I’d just have to heal anyway. However the amount of times Ken’s theurgy saved my ass by team reviving/healing was too many to count😂. Plus I murdered the reaper by letting him buff and reflecting his team attacks back at him for massive damage. New Game plus I’m definitely replacing Ken for Junpei and making a persona strictly for healing. Overall the game was hard until Aigis was on my team, her skill set is broken af.
In the mid game to late game I mostly just used heals and melee because of how scarce SP was. SP for big fights but regular mobs or even some bosses/farming was easily done with 1 healer, 2 meleers. Usually Aegis and doggo.
When you unlock the 2nd Half of Arqa (When Mitsuru Joins) you can get Invigorate 1 Accessories from 1 Fragment Chests. Also Kens Characteristic restores 10Sp and if that wasn’t enough he also has the Fastest Theurgy Charge with Divine Intervention in his Kit. He can Spam Divine Intervention (Makrakarn + Tetrakarn + Mediarahan + Full Revive to All Allies) every 3 Turns.
@@helpihavebats6392 Yeah I used the SP accessories in P5 religiously, but I didn't use them at all in p3. I mostly used accessories that gave high evasion to their weaknesses, as (from what I remember) in p5 it's way easier to cover your weakness with a skill/ item etc. I think p3 just had fewer options so I went with what was safest. Also I enjoyed ken, but Yukari was just a staple on my team for the cheap heals.
@@nosleepforme2242 Ken also generally comes with cheap heals its not that unique to her. Mediarama is 16Sp to use and Spirit Restore recovers 10Sp per turn so Ken gets 6Sp Mediarama to Yukas 4Sp Mediarama. He gets Divine Intervention in October way before Yukari gets Mediarahan so he also gets that earlier and for free on top of Walls.
Great video, as for Persona 5 Royal, you always have been my personal "get good" guide haha. I just would like to ask you a question tho: how come that every teammate that you showcased had their natural weaknesses nullified?
I’m not surprised with junpei and I rarely used him at all unless my party ran out of SP in a Tartarus run, i was surprised he or even Akihiko didn’t have a charge level up skill for being the main physical damage dealers. Mitsuru also feels a bit limited in a bad way because all her Skills cost ALOT and she doesn’t have a Teammate buff rather a debuff and once you unlock concentrate... say good bye to your SP. Akihiko is really underrated due to his buffs and Amazingly fast theurgy charge always came in clutch plus Shock is incredibly useful. I don’t think I need to talk about Yukari, Aigis and koromaru because they are always my go to party when it’s time to fight tough enemies but for Ken is on and off because besides magic there’s really no other way to deal damage as he’s so focused on defence. And also I was so annoyed that only Yukari and P3MC can cure ailments because so many enemies use it against you and most of the time they are always targeted leading to frustrating battles.
I use Ken a lot and while like his SP generation while exploring, his support capabilities and OP theurgy... he isn't strong enough to say carry you against an enemy your whole part is dying like the Reaper cause he loses his theugy meter on death and on other enemies it feels like overkill to shield everyone against attacks that Yukari can just heal off. He sounds powerful on paper but I think devs gave him some counterproductive mechanics to represent his inexperience as a child, maybe??
I slapped on that one knife that gives Koromaru uhhh a think its Apt Pupil in English (クリティカル大UP in Japanese) and over 80% of his attacks are straight up crits. I didnt even bother to use his final weapon because Koro's just so broken.
Ken is very underrated as most people got used to using Yukari as the healer since she is available right from the start and Ken joins the party pretty late. No doubt Yukari is the better healer as she can cure status ailments too but Ken offers more utility while still being able to perform his duty as the healer. His screens, heat riser and dekaja are much more useful than Yukari's masukunda which is pretty irrelevant approaching the late game. Yukari is easy to use as you just need to cast mediarahan every turn. Ken's moveset give you more options apart from healing. I think Yukari's battle characteristic is better than Ken's but Ken is more versatile for sure and definitely should not be placed at the bottom if you know how to use him. Factoring everything, both are pretty even in my opinion. You could even argue Ken is better in late game as he could save your party members from instakills which Yukari can't
My main party was Koromaru (S tier in this game), Ken (so usefull), Junpei who goes well with Koro crit buff and charge atk buff. Edit: Junpei should be replaced by Aigis for a better team comp but i wanted to use him.
It's so easy drop ken's sp. Just use some phsyical damage and restore everyone's hp with ken after the fight. His theurgy fills up very quickly. I think he's really solid.
I’m not bragging or anything but didn’t use any buffers in late game because I had persona specifically built to cast auto-buffs right in the beginning of battle, koromaru then debuffed enemy and everyone is strong enough to deal lots of damage Sound good by me That’s solely the reason I dropped Ken off my team since there was yukari with all the healing you could possibly need and bottomless sp
i used yukari, mitsuru, and junpei. mostly bc these are characters i like + i didnt use junpei or mitsuru in FES despite rlly liking them. mitsuru and junpei have rlly good synergy together bc her freezes guarantee that junpei gets his theurgy faster.
The party I used to defeat the reaper for the first time was p much level 76 CRITpei, Akihiko and Koromaru. I went in with A LOT of homunculi, but with buffs and debuffs, the insta kills didn't hit once. Next, I tried to go Yukari + Mitsuru + Koromaru and they just kept dying so eventually I just gave up and replaced Aki with Ken. His second theurgy is GOATED.
Personally in fes I grinded a lot because I actually enjoy Tartarus and thought it was waist full not to use up everyone before going home, also that they go home when tired so I got eventually a surprisingly accurate sense for when they would get tired so I would go and save to refill sp and then keep grinding. I usually got sick in Tartarus, which apparently most didn’t know you could get if you grind for too long. Anyway so all my teammates was level 90 for final boss and I don’t really remember what they used for it But now in reload it’s Yukari for healing and Aigis because it’s Aigis I went with Akihiko also but I’m not really a fan of him, it’s so annoying that even if he’s last in the lineup he’s always first to act (I’ve maxed everyone’s stats and honestly he annoys me, can’t go a second without saying “training” Same reason I don’t like koromaru, having him in the team just makes every one repeat his name over and over Koro-chan Koro-chan Koro-chan Koro-chan Koro-chan Koro-chan * Koro-chan* aauuugh! So annoying
Yukari is so overrated in this game ngl. Amrita shower is borderline useless by the point you get it, you are only saving money which you don't need (you can just buy AoE ailment heals at the shop). It is exceedingly rare that multiple patty members are statused with different status effects. Earlier on status heal skills are somewhat useful but not too many enemies use ailments anyway. On top of that, relying on a specific member to heal ailments instead of items is asking for trouble if that specific party member is the one status'ed. Lower SP cost healing on Yukari would be insanely useful earlier on, but you don't need it that badly when you can just return to the entrance of tartarus and use standby member SP for heals if you need it, and Fuuka Theurgy / the clock exist. It is a nice bonus for sure but is not that big of a boon. The other healer is Ken, and he heals for 10 SP every single turn whereas Yukari effectively heals for 30SP but only on turns that she heals the party; I'd say that Ken's is better as most fights do not need you to heal that often, and it lets Ken easily have infinite SP even while attacking with spells while climbing tartarus. Sukunda is also the worst debuff in the game unless you're fighting something like a golden hand so it's not a super big draw. I think Koromaru is the best party member (auto-include) in the game and he already has auto masukunda for golden hands, so I don't think you ever need to cast this past earlygame. You'd rather have basically any other buff / debuff skill. Mass concentrate is great, her damage is solid and AoE heals on a party member is very good, but a lot of her utility is not very useful at all. Ken is just as good as her as a party member if not better but for some reason people think Yukari is the best thing ever and Ken is still as bad as he was in the original game.
Everyone knows why Shinji isn't included in this ranking. If you did all his linked episodes, he ends up with auto-heat riser and the best charge skill in the game. Sadly, you only get this version of him for like maybe a week before his.... event. Easily the most broken persona side character ever.
My party for Nyx in P3P: Junpei, Akihiko, Aigis My part for Nyx in P3R: Junpei, Akihiko, and Aigis. Man, i thought Akihiko was stupid in the original. His theurgy is just asinine. I damn near one shot Takaya.
Ken is much better in my opinion, I've used him for my endgame because I think he just does more than Yukari. Yukari can revive and heal ailments. Ken can create shields, has Dekaja and his shield Theurgy is just so good, it protects from damage and deals damage by reflecting at the same time. I think it's just insane.
I mean towards the end of the game my team wasn’t taking as much damage, but 11 SP Mediarahan and 3 SP Amrita Shower are absolutely nuts, especially due to Yukari’s massive SP pool. Plus I would just cycle Mediarahan for 5 turns and just give my entire team Concentrate with her Theurgy. Unfortunately for the sake of variety, Yukari is absolutely insane
Ngl, Shinji is one of the best ones you can get, i pretty much adopted his playstyle of auto buffing and using auto rebellion to clear with crits, defeated two moons with that strat on MC and many gatekeepers, truly a legend (i know, most people would say that crit playstyle is a given, but I got it from him :p)
Personally I used junpei almost the entire playthrough (except when switching out for levels) and he lands crits rlly reliably whenever he has multi target physical attacks. Idk maybe I just got lucky
He gets access to some really strong attacks rather early ex At level 25 he gets Torrent Shot Torrent Shot if it hits 3 out of the 2-4 hits is genuinely stronger than a Heavy Mag (same with Blade of Fury)
Tbh even though I haven’t finished the game yet (at 1/10 rn but I have alr played FES 3 times.) I agree with your takes with the only thing is that I think that Koro might be a little better than Yukari, Aki and Aigis are better than Mitsuru, and personally I think Junpei s a little better than Ken. Overall good list 👍🏾.
I might keep Junpei until the end of the game if he can learn apt pupil and maybe Gigantic fist or God hand for full physical skills Akihiko is seriously lost most of his debuff skills Maybe if he got Debilitate I will keep him as well until the end of game. And I was hoping Yukari could learn Salvation just like Yukiko in P4G. but I guess she still quite broken if all her characteristic was unlocked
I think strongest party overall is probably Junpei, Akihiko, Koromaru. MC can do both damage and support which is not bad since Persona switching builds his Theurgy gauge. Also with your Akihiko build, the Dragon Boots are uncontested best in slot for him and Junpei. But Ken is the ultra safety boy especially with how much he can spam Divine Intervention. One downside of Yukari and Mitsuru that's not really discussed is that phys is straight up stronger than magic because of how crit scaling works.
I’m a Ken defender for life, his +10 SP characteristic makes him so broken, the best theurgy in the game IMO, great coverage and lowkey outshines akihiko at his own game while also being the teams support while you can argue that Yukari has better theurgy charge and heals, Ken just has so much utility that it’s hard to decide which ones to keep on him by the time you reach endgame. I honestly think that Ken is the best party member in the game tbh
Yea, he's def good. Main reason he wasn't higher was cuz I wanted to look at the entire game, and prior to learning his characteristics, it kinda feels he runs of SP really quickly. And when you have the characteristics, everyone feels like they have infinite SP cuz of Invigorate 2/3 accessories. And I didn't find the screens/Heat Riser that useful personally
@@bainz Sure the invogorate accessories are nice but you need to take up your accessory slot for that. I was able to put the phoenix charm on ken so when my party got wiped out and ken survived, he can put a theurgy up and revive them all to full HP with a barrier. Way more useful imo
I felt that they done Aigis dirty. Not being abie to Orgia Mode out of status elements is a huge turn off. the one character with a gimmick really doesn’t anymore.
What about aragaki i believe his name is he just joined ghe team last night and he's pretty strong i've been waiting for him to join the party since i first saw him im surprised it took so long for it to happen
Imo mitsuru kinda fades towards the end. She has the same issue as Ann in P5R. Physical skills are much more superior than magic in this game, many bosses don't have weakness so you need to rely on crits, the same reason why Siegfried is so op when you got him. Koromaru is undoubtedly the best party member at the end due to auto-masukunda, debilitate and revolution. And his full party charge synergises very well with Aigis/Junpei. Akihiko is subpar bc he can't crit as consistently as the other 2 physical attackers and his support skills are pretty weak. He will be better if he at least gets mediarahan. Personally in the late game, I would rank Mitsuru and Akihiko at the bottom. They're good in the early game. Yukari and Ken are interchangeable in my opinion. Junpei slaps in the late game once you got his final weapon
idk man i used mitsuru and aki on merciless and they did a lot, mitsuru with concentrate and a ton of ice boosts just did so much dmg and had a lot of sp, and same for aki except he also had some utility as well (and a more spammable theurgy)
@@wheatleythebrick2276 Well they're good in early to mid game, but near end of game the MC should be the one doing the most damage if you've been building your personas optimally and the two of them just do not offer support as well as the other party members in my opinion. Mitsuru, being a magic attacker, just couldn't compete with the physical attackers in the late game if you give them the right equipment as all bosses can be crit now. Hitting a crit will do more damage than hitting weakness, plus many late game enemies do not have weakness. Ice is a commonly resisted element as well. For Aki, if you like him you can build around his God's Hand by giving him the right gear. But I feel his theurgy only supports his own selfish playstyle and do not benefit the party much. Plus he couldn't get crits as well as Junpei in the late game. His electric damage is mediocre also as he doesn't learn a severe spell. Koromaru is a no brainer in the late game due to its utility so would suggest building your team around him and the MC. Of course, this is all just my opinion from testing raw damage on late game enemies such as the reaper
@@DeepFreierthat’s kind of the point, he’s mean to be the all rounder and he does it great. He can become one of the best tanks thanks to buff amp and still have the dps to one shot the reaper if built right.
@@samsclubhouseAkis not just a tank though hes also consistently the 2nd Best Dps throughout the game(1st is Junpei). He even does the most Magic Damage until Mitsurus Diamond Dust. On top of all that he has the 3rd Fastest Theurgy Charge (1st is Shinji 2nd is Ken).
@@vernessawashington9007 if I remember Yukari is pretty middling in Speed as her Theurgy is coded weirdly and is slower in Full Moons. Koro with Apt Pupil outspeeds her I believe.
Akihiko is very underrated thanks to the misleading description of his Theurgy. He is actually one of the fastest characters to build theurgy, and also buff amp and his sinnergy with Yukari`s party concentrate makes him a beast.
Dude if you could please explain what boosts his Theurgy? I still dont quite get it and im on my 3rd playthrough Nevermind lol i watched more of the video
Concentrate + his 2nd Theurgy can legitimately melt any Tartarus gatekeepers. The only flaw is that it requires others' Theurgy (Yukari or MC) to work.
@@izanagiforsmite4365 Whenever Aki starts a turn, if he has a buff active, it will boost his theurgy. It doesn't matter who it's cast by as long as it's active. He also gets extra stat boosts from the buff? But I'm not 100% sure on that
Listen, the ken 2nd theurgy comes in clutch so hard sometimes. "Oh no the reaper just charged" *Uses Theurgy, Reaper uses Asakha Arts* "Oh no the reaper is dead"
Yeah, but do that easily be you'll need to be at least level 84 and have maxed the star and devil social links. Meanwhile, Ken's second theurgy unlocks for free, two thirds into the game.@@bruced09
In my experience, Aki slaps the hardest. Buff amp does wonders. Auto skills as well as any shuffle time that charges the team before hand makes Aki strong AF to the point when I use his second theurgy, he mows down reaper's HP to %20 with ONE MOVE! I request a revison of this tier list lmao
Koromaru is OP the entire game. Early game he alleviates MC's SP use by targeting Fire & Dark weaknesses. Midgame, Koro is the first ally to really come to fruition as a Crit build character, with armor that gives auto Atk&Crit up. Endgame, Koro has Debilitate. Throughout the entire game, Koro has full party charge, and Theurgy that lowers the opponents Agi. 90% of my gameplay after getting Koromaru had the entire team agility debuffed, and my team agility buffed with MC's Auto Agi^. The chances of getting hit and missing were in my favor tenfold. Weapons with 85-88% accuracy would pretty much never miss. You can also choose to only raid Tartarus close to full moon, and Koromaru's slash skill does more based on how full the moon is -- making him relevant on full moon shadow bosses too. Koromaru is best boi. He could only be better if Crit Rate+ was on his final weapon or armor, as all other characters besides Ken finally pass him in damage, but he should be using Debilitate endgame anywho.
His ultimate weapon has Ali dance, which combined with his incredibly high evasion, makes him untouchable. I think that’s better than the extra crit rate.
I'm at September right now, and while he's still useful, especially with auto masukunda, but he runs out of sp way too fast to be a permanent party member for me. I still think Akihiko is the best all around fighter/damage dealer. I also have multiple personas with life aid at this point, so mc isn't bad on sp costs.
If this video has done anything it’s helped me finally understand how Akihiko’s theurgy works. I spent the whole game just saying to myself “what does that even mean”
2:10 This information is unfortunately wrong. It actually boosts them up to a maximum of 13 levels. For example: if my character is at level 99, all other members affected would only go up to level 14 assuming they are all at level 1
I feel like mentioning Dekaja on Ken is important for the mid game. Because a lot lf enemies like buffing one stronger enemy and Ken can just get rid of that which protects your team quite well.
I few notes to add for Ken - If you really want to have Ken's SP in range for his personality, you can manually reduce his SP as much as you want by using any equipment with HP increase. You can just equip, heal with ken, unequip, and repeat until your sp is low enough - If the previous point sounds like is just a death sentence for Ken's utility, due to his low SP pool, not really. Ken Characteristic is not at the start of his turn, is every time he gets action. You can trigger spirit restore 2 or 3 times per turn with shifts, this effectively makes Ken's SP infinite in tartarus, as with proper shifts he will always get more SP than what you use on every non boss encounter without needing invigorate accesories, basically creating this mini game where you can pick if you want Ken to Gain SP or lose SP each battle. - And similar to the previous point, Ken's personality is also every time he gets action, which again means you can trigger it 2 or 3 times in a single turn, which makes it really spammable in tartarus.
Hmm, yeah if you Shift over to him, you could farm the SP regen more often. I just... generally Shifted over to MC. I also didn't unlock Ken's characteristic til fairly late, and before that point, his SP seemed to disappear pretty quickly. And by the time I had the characteristic unlocked, every party member felt like they had infinite SP (albeit at a slower rate), cause I had the Invigorate 2/3 accessories.
@@bainz and I think you used ken in the wrong way, ken is the best member, taking yukari out of my party, I used aigs yukari and ken, ken with his barriers being quite strong, any buff on the enemy he could debuff to then apply debuff so ensuring that the enemy doesn't have a buff he can give barriers to people like yukari to guarantee survival or mc so it's simply a situation where you focused on making him a healer while in reality he serves for survival and deskaja aids removing in buffs
and to add to this ken has the second best theurgy in the entire game, your team could be half dead with ken and the mc both having a foot in the grave and with two buttons everyone is at full health with one hit being reflected (except almighty)
@@1tsjustpastabut yukari (and aigis with marakukaja) can prevent that situation from happening in the first place while providing more utility. Ken is good but his role compression is ultimately too niche in comparison to other party members
@@JustMeSavywhat Utility does Yukari provide? Her big thing is that she heals and does wind damage? Sukunda is pretty bad. Ken can cover up Someones weakness with Makra or set up reflect damage with Tetra or Remove enemy Buffs with Dekaja. Mediarahan is all Ken really needs.
Great list! The only one I actually disagree is Koro-chan. Based on my own experience ofc this dog SMASHES, he literally can solo tartarus from the moment he joins the team up until late game. I've been playing on merciless btw. It feels like the majority of the shadows are weak to his elementals, and even when they aren't, getsu-ei + auto tarukabellion from his armor that you can buy fairly early from the antique shop + distressed enemies from ambush = almost guaranteed crit. He also joins your party the same month as Shinji, and I don't even have to say the synergy they have, trivializing any fight, even bosses. He is very SP hungry yes, but SP items are very accessible and also Fuuka can take care of that. He just gets better as the game progresses. Definitely Best tier for me, or at least top of Great ahead of Mitsuru.
Finally you drop a video on party members, as legends would say “I’ve been waiting for this!!!” Your posts on party members for 4 and 5 have helped me out so much in figuring out how I wanna use them and learn anything i didnt know so appreciate the great content many. Edit: I think there are other weapons for Junpei besides his ultimate one that grant him crit skills, juzumaru gives him crit boost and another gives from the antique that’s not his ultimate weapons gives him apt pupil as well, so he does gain access to crit skills fairly into mid game as well but that’s me rambling.
Whoooaaa! Looking cool, bainz! This is an awesome video and I love your thought processes on the potential of each team member! It’s great that characters got such massive glow ups so we don’t have to just default to Akihiko, Aigis, and Yukari again 😅I’ve been thinking way too much about how to break the game and what the best party members are lately and have way too much to say on these topics… but this list pretty much encapsulates my thoughts entirely on where most party members rank! The only difference in placing for me on the whole list was switching Ken with Yukari because I often found she didn’t have enough impact when the party didn’t need support since wind skills (along with fire skills for that matter) aren’t useful elements to spam in this game if the enemy isn’t weak to them, when compared to ice/electricity (since they have freeze/shock chances that help get critical hits). Also her sukunda skills aren’t really useful outside of gold hand encounters and her other utility of umm poison mist is well, something we don’t talk about... In my subjective opinion as far as a wide healer goes, I actually think Ken’s reflecting screens, light/electricity element coverage, and life wall theurgy are overall more useful than Yukari’s kit. As Yukari’s revive move, single target heal move, and two ailment recovery moves can all be done by any character through very easily findable, accessible, or purchasable items and I often found that the only party member that would die and ever need reviving was Yukari herself 💀Although Ken can be just as frail as Yukari at times, I found his weakness is mitigated naturally through equipment and homunculus, also his screens help his survival ability if you have a down turn to cast one... Additionally, since physical skills are so dominant and strong in this game because they cost HP and most bosses don’t have an elemental weakness (meaning fishing for critical hits is often the best approach for highest damage output), I ended up feeling that Yukari’s party wide concentrate wasn’t that valuable and was only really good in a magic focused party along with members like Mitsuru and Akihiko who could take advantage of concentrate alongside the protagonist. On the other hand, I found that a party of Ken, Aigis, and Koro pushes physical/crit to the limit and helps the protagonist maximize damage (buffs/debilitate/koro wide power charge), crit chance (revolution), and protection (Ken wide heal/theurgy/single use screens). Also it seems that the reaper doesn’t punish reflecting screens with megidolan anymore and he killed himself for me when attacking with concentrated wide magic into Ken’s widescreen theurgy, which made me give him a slot on the team permanently after that for just how much it made me laugh 😂 TL;DR The way I look at it, the two best parties with the most synergy in my opinion are Ken, Aigis, and Koro for physical focus and Yukari, Mitsuru, and Akihiko for magic focus… but like you said you can beat the game with arguably anyone even on the hardest difficulty, so people should have fun experimenting and using who they like! Here’s a 🍪for any poor soul that read this way too long of a post, now if you’ll excuse me I have to get back to grinding Shinji to level 99…🔫
Yeah, I could for sure see someone preferring to use Ken cause of his skill set. For me, the MC does so much more damage than everyone else, I value the Concentrate theurgy a lot still (even if it doesn't benefit everyone sometimes). And before I unlocked his characteristics, it felt like Ken would run out of SP after so few Tartarus floors lol. Thanks for writing this though, good luck on the Shinji grind!
The way I see it, there are two types of teams you can have, the Yukari Team, and the Koromaru Team. Yukari Team would look something like: Yukari, Mitsuru, and either Akihiko for damage output, or Ken for survivability Koromaru Team would look something like: Koromaru, Aigis, and your choice of Junpei for raw damage and self-sustain, Akihiko for a mix of damage and support, Ken for a dedicated healer with a little extra damage from with Vile Assault, or Shinji. Alternatively, there is another secret third team build that I would like to dub "Fuck em up Akihiko" which looks something like: Yukari, Koromaru, and Akihiko. This team has one simple goal, Koromaru debilitates the enemy and gives team-wide charge. Yukari provides support and gives team-wide concentrate. And then Akihiko raises hell with boosted God's Hand, Ziodyne, and his theurgy attacks. I've been using just about every party member and all of them can feel strong in the right team comp, although Ken has felt the most lacking by far, due to his overlap with Yukari as a dedicated healer, without having Yukari's extreme strengths. Overall though I do love the changes made to party member balance compared to FES, where there was basically no reason to use anyone besides Yukari, Akihiko, and Aigis. I'm glad they're really finding their footing with designing the teammates, they got close with Royal but kinda messed up and made the Ryuji + Makoto combo way too strong compared to everyone else.
Funnily enough, Junpei has been, consistently, one of the most reliable teammates since the transition from early to middle game. Many Tartarus bosses not being weak to something make the fight a bit harder, but if they don't resist all physical damage basically can hit them with a critical many times. I mean, it was not everytime, but often enough that he and Yukari could become the most fixed party members, if I didn't want to train everybody a little bit for my amusement.
Hey there pretty ok list. I learn a bit more for this video but I will say that there was a few things I felt like you kinda missed in this. Ken is more under rated having three types of attacks makes his kit super useful just like Koromaru. Ken learns a heavy piece move a bit later on where it deals extra damage on downed foes. Having the combo of Ken, Koro and main protag having a pretty decent physical sweep with two good element attacks makes his utility much higher overall with a massive self heal SP with back up healer. I would say single person revive is a wasted slot for Ken's kit. At end game I had enough items for downed people. But his ult move being able to bring someone back also full heal party also give double shield is overpowered as hell. Ken is the tool box of the team while being able to deal damage in anyway you need at a given moment. Koromaru has some good physical moves even for late game that helps his kit round off better that. Also you failed to mention the auto debuffs at the start of each fights if you have certain characters which really really helped with golden hand grinding and less setup turns.
I agree 100% with this list. I just finished my play through yesterday on hard and my party was pretty much always Yukari, Mitsuru, and Koromaru. Koromaru in particular felt very strong considering he has such a high agility stat, meaning in most battles he will be the first to attack. There were many battles that ended within the first turn simply by using revolution with Koromaru, and then using a heavy damaging phys move with the MC that would instantly delete whatever is infront of them. The fact that there’s no cap to how much you can stack your crit rate is pretty insane imo.
Regarding the grand clock, it spawn on your current floor everytime you have cumulatatively used 20 twilight fragments on locked chests. This carries over per tartarus run, and does not reset to 0 if you end your run. Using the healing/sp clock does not count towards the 20. You can game it in a way by getting the devil tarot card, which causes more spawning of twilight fragments and locked chests.
Can you get more than one Grand Clock per Run? Or if you spend 40+ fragments in one run the next clock won't show up until you exit an enter Tartarus another day?
18:10 Is it actually random? Her Theurgy for me seemed to react to conditions in the fight (she would most often than not heal hp/sp or ailments if the conditions applied) But also, after she aquired Juno, her theurgy gave me Charge/Concentrate over Party Heat Riser more often, but idk why.
I got the same feeling. I've just completed the game on merciless and everytime Fuuka was ready to use her Theurgy I waited to use it when I was low on SP so that I could have a higher chance to heal back my SP without using the clock.
Yeah, not truly random. If you're low HP/SP, she will prioritize restoring those. If you have many buffs, she'll prob Charge/Concentrate you, etc. I didn't keep track of her AI before getting Juno or after, so I couldn't say
This is controversial but at late game yukari is the most replaceable character in the entire game. She is good at two things, healing/reviving and ailment protection. For the healing/reviving it is better just to take Ken in every scenario because he not only learns aoe full party heal and full health revive but he has heat riser, dekja, barriers, an amp for his heavy attack and the second best theurgy in the entire game divine intervention. But ik that the main part of yukari people like is her anti ailment as its spammed more and while she is the only one to learn these skills and eventually getting amrita shower there are better ways to deal with them. Aigis learns insta heal and since she is best girl she shouldnt leave your party, mc has a shit ton of anti ailment skills at his disposal and grinding in Tartarus will give you access to the 500k anti ailment charm at club escapade and some charms at the antique shop, and even if you dont wanna do all that just running aigis with anti ailment items from the pharmacy or just having amrita shower on mc is more than enough of a reason to run mitsuru or koro over yukari any day. Also dont take aigis or ken out the party they are the two best characters have you seen their skill sets.
The reason Mitsuru's second Theurgy is almighty is because it's supposed to be a more powerful version of life drain, as she does get that move. You can pretty clearly see in the animation that she drains something from the enemy and then destroys it.
Seeing as Yukari was in my party 24/7, Aigis, Akihiko, and Koromaru were all flex picks, and Junpei and Ken never really saw much action, I agree with this list 100%. I didn't get as much use out of Mitsuru as I would've liked to, but she was good any time I needed her to be.
Here are my ratings after beating the game: S: Yukari/Koromaru A: Mitsuru/Shinjiro B: Akihiko/Aigis/Ken C: Junpei S tier: Yukari is easily S tier. Her Theurgy actions are brained easy to charge, best healer, etc. You won't need Diarahan seeing how she gets a "built in" spell master - so it's better to pick something like Wind Break or Pulinpa for supporting coverage. Her high magic stat means that she will dish out some pretty good dmg on anything that doesn't resist wind. Koromaru gets Debilitate pretty late, but once he does he can fit on an team and his high speed stat is often overlooked since he will move first in most battles. Koromaru's Theurgy charge is very exploitable and the final build seen in the video is exactly what I used. His ultimate weapon is very good and his Light weakness can be managed very early with the right Armor setups (Revolution is also very good for physical party team). S tier characters can fit on any team given any situation. A: Outside the MC, Mitsuru probably has the highest dmg ceiling. Concentrated Diamond Dust hits exceptionally hard with a 60% chance to freeze with Aliment Boost (her Almighty Theurgy also hits stupidly hard). Aliments are very good on red shadows early on too, and you will be depending on them depending on which difficulty you play on. Mitsuru is pretty much useless against anything that blocks Ice, so Ice Break is an absolute must on her in place of eerie sound (this will also help out on those pesky treasure hands that start blocking everything on higher Tartarus floors). You only get Shiniro for a month, but he is a physical monster that hits extremely hard around the moment you get him. His moveset sorta "builds itself" and I don't remember him having any weaknesses the enemy can exploit. A tier characters are very tempting to use because of their high dmg potential while requiring minimal setup. B: Characters are very well rounded in this tier. Depending on how you look at it, some of these picks could even be A or S tier. Everything is subjective, but I feel that they are missing something that would overwise push them into A or S tier. Akihiko has an easy Theurgy charge, which thankfully saves him because his dmg is not hot. While God's Hand hits very hard, it also takes a good chunk of HP and needs to be accounted for by having Arm Master accessory/support. Akihiko might be a little "too well-rounded" for my taste, but his buffs/debuffs are extremely good for the early game. Aigis is a very solid character that seems to suffer from a slow start - Orgia Mode is not that impressive (it might be up there with one of the worst Theurgy skills actually). Correct me if I am wrong, but could she not learn all Kaja spells in the original? She is very versatile, but I dunno. I just think the Aigis from the original game had a lot more going for her than this one. Ken is a fantastic supporting unit, but Yukari just outclasses him every step of the way. He does get a "built in" Invigorate 3 which is nice, but it seems to offset the point of his Theurgy charge. His Ziodyne is a good coverage move, but without boost don't expect much from it outside of getting cheezy all-outs. C: I don't think Junpei is bad by any means. On paper, he looks like a really solid character that should be placed higher. My issues with him is that he doesn't do something that another character can do better. His magic stat is waaaaay too low, so Agidyne should be removed in favor of Koromaru's magic/amp support (in the beginning of the game you can get away with using fire spells since there really isn't another option outside MC). His Theurgy depends on....luck I guess? Sure, you can increase the odds of him getting criticals with the proper setups, but it will never efficient to the point where I have to consider him high tier. On all of the teams I placed him on, he seemed to weigh the team down the most and I only really place him on all out physical teams due to this reason. EDIT: My end-game party was MC/Mitsuru/Yukari/Koromaru
Personally destroyed the game with Yukari Ken and Koromaru. Double healer makes sure we never ever wipe or barely even die and Koromaru has debilitate and his Theurgy charges the whole team. I was one shotting every phase of Nyx with the MC. Last phase i went for Armaggedon just for overkill xD
I have to say this game has the best party members in persona they are so well balance and good for almost every situacion, i had a loot of fun just swaping my party for almost holle game, my final party was koromaru for debuff yukari for her god healing and aigis buff and of course the MC to nuke everything
Great video, bainz! Always love to see your content and especially your Persona and party builds. We built the characters pretty similarly for the most part. I ran Breaks on Yukari and Mitsuru, but honestly I didn't use those skills very often. In retrospect I would have done Neuro Slash or another ailment skill on Mitsuru; not sure about Yukari. I opted not to keep Diarahan since Healing Apex makes Mediarahan only cost 11 SP, and I always found it worth the extra 6 SP to top everyone off. I struggled a lot with Junpei since he learns so many good skills. I ultimately chose to drop Marakukaja since Aigis has it and you can also get it as a consumable from the antique shop. I wanted to keep Gigantic Fist so he had full access to the physical triangle in case something resisted slash/pierce. I thought his crit rate was terrible in the early game too, but he improved after getting his upgraded characteristic. Also, it's worth noting that Insta-Heal can be dropped on Aigis when she gets her best armor (which nulls ailments), though that comes pretty late.
@@bainz Yeah, probably either that or Dekunda. Maybe Diarahan since it's easy to not get debuffed if you're diligent about maintaining buffs, but I found I had so many Beads and equivalent items by endgame from dorm activities, Tartarus, and such.
I think the reason Mitsuru’s second theurgy does allmighty damage is because there would be NO reason to use her first theurgy otherwise, even at it’s current state your probably going to use the first theurgy 5% of the time just to hit a weakness and get a shift or an all out attack, but most of the time MASSIVE damage WITH DEBILITATE in one move makes it a contender for one of the best theurgys in the game or at least top 5
I feel like there's still some incentive for her first one since I would imagine it would stack with her innate Ice Boost/Freeze boost, or maybe Ice Amp if you have it as her weapon
For me, the best party members for bosses are Yukari, Aigis, Ken. For general grinding, I swap Yukari for Koromaru. Ken and Koromaru's element coverage is handy for grinding, and Aigis just does a lot of damage. So in that sense, I would say Ken is the best overall party member, but where it really matters(in bosses) Yukari is still queen. As you said, you can beat the game with anyone. I feel like I'm the only person who ever ranks Mitsuru last. Nothing wrong with you ranking her highly, I just don't favor her. Like everyone else, she is viable. My rankings would be: 1.Yukari 2.Ken 3.Aigis 4.Koromaru 5.Junpei 6.Akihiko 7.Mitsuru
My final team was actually Yukari, Aigis, and the goodest boy himself Koromaru. I kept Yukari around because she is unequivocally the GOAT. Koromaru I kept for magic(the real reason was I refused to remove him from the team, because I love him too much) And Aigis did lots of heavy phys damage + buffs
That's the great thing about Ken's abilities, theurgy, and characteristics. You don't really have to hold back too much because he will always have SP, and keeping him low on SP 24/7 is pretty damn easy. So not only can he go ham more than most, he has multiple weaknesses to attack, is great for healing/support AND his theurgy comes back fast as hell! The ONLY negative i have experienced is keeping him TOO low on SP will prompt Fuuka to restore everyone's SP rather than the team wide heat riser with her theurgy. -_- Overall i find Ken much better than Yukari.. unfortunately I'm just not a huge fan of Ken as a character :P
akihiko is good, but i think that is one of the worst character, by a simple fact: his early game my god his early and mid game are horrendous. He cant do a good neither physicall nor magic damage, and his one target skills can be easily replaced by using mc personas, that probably have multi target buff or debuff by that point. due to this, using akihiko is not very worthy, and thus you wont be leveling him up, diferent from junpei, that you would probably use becuse is the only physicall ataccker by almost half of the game
This is of course a subjective thing! Late game Junpei kinda slaps. And I probably underrated Ken, I just didn't value the Screens/2nd Theurgy much and prior to learning his characteristics, his SP felt a bit uncomfortable to manage. If you really like what he provides, he could definitely move up to even the highest Tier and Yukari could drop down (ultimately whoever you use more between the two is preference based). This was more to discuss each char (though it went rather long lol), rather than their specific placements
I understand why the choice to skip over him was made. but I wish you touched more on the last party member
@@vendettaduck1288 Given he gets Charge, a lot of good Phys moves and eventually Debilitate, he'd be right at the very top
But... But... Where's Shinjiro?
Ken is made to not have enough sp, all his attacks burns his Sp, his theurgia charges each time you consume sp and when you have extremely low sp he charges each turn.
Ken and Yukari are used for different purposes. Yukari is a healer for a long battle and Ken is a healer for a hard battle, his second theurgia is overkill against everything, is the strongest support attack in the game. Can protect you of everything with the exception of almighty damage.
For me there isn't a C character in reload and the game is made to change of party the whole time.
The worst party member is probably shinjiro, but he gets firm stance and have endure and bloody charge is very powerful. Mainly because he only have 1 theurgia.
Ken's 2nd Theurgy is why i generally find Makarakarn and Tetrikarn a waste of slots unless youre playing on merciless because the MC is rarely going to die in a 2nd turn on any other difficulty unless you make a bad play or bring in a bad built persona. I bring ken into reaper fights but I feel like he doesn't offer as much as Yukari in some other fights mid-late game cuz her 1sit Thuergy does way more damage than Ken's first and her 2nd Theurgy gives the entire party support outside just shielding 1 hit.
To be fair, Junpei sucking in the early to mid game and only getting really good during the late game is a great way to parallel his role and growth in the plot with his gameplay
I do agree but at the same time MC gets stupid powerful in late game so in a gameplay perspective I think early and mid game is the hardest and where it matters the most persona series been always easy (except for super bosses like velvet room attendants)
His second theorgy is reason enough to use him
Literally the way I dropped him early on and picked him back up after Shinji
Junpei is actually pretty good in early game having the first physical wide attack in the game even before main protag
@@Superstarearth AoE Physical is very little compared to what other party members offer
Ken was a staple of my party pretty much as soon as I unlocked him. Not only does he have great coverage, but also can provide the best defense for the party without relying on any other character. Pair that up with dekaja and he becomes one of the best late game party members due to most bosses having heat riser. His second Theurgy basically completely turns around a losing battle as well, which is honestly busted.
The worst character, low endurance and hp, basically dies most battles
@@elvisboafo446 if you don't heal him he might. I didn't have that issue.
I know youre talking about as a whole when ranking the party members but i just want to say for the endgame, what im gonna call the physical party has insane synergy. Mc, junpei, Aigis, and Koromaru go insane together. Koromaru gets revolution and power howling makes the other phys party members just absolutely insane. Aigis also provides great support by buffing attack and defense while koro boosts ability. Aigis can also heal while Junpei just absolutely nukes everything.
Replace aigis with yukari and yeah thats the dream comp
My A-team in endgame was Yukari, Junpei, and Mitsuru. Mitsuru + Junpei’s characteristics work perfectly together, especially when you put the Apt Pupil accessory and high crit rate weapon on Junpei. Once you get ambush and start most encounters with distressed enemies it trivializes them. Then for bosses, MC (or Mitsuru/Yukari, but I never kept ailment skills on them) can tag them with an ailment and Junpei usually crits after that too. And Yukari can keep everyone healed on the cheap cheap, which is great when using a lot of physical skills.
@@Xenoborg0519 the thing is tho in terms of crits and survivability, koramaru is way better
@@DoneThatSeenThati think ken over yukari
@@Xenoborg0519 koromaru is better than mitsuru without a shadow of a doubt in an optimal setting revolution gives way more than mitsuru
It’s pretty rare to see a JRPG where there are no bad characters. It’s cool to see that every party member in this game is viable.
My final team was Mitsuru, Yukari and Aigis. It was liberating to have another party member take care of the buffing department and another to handle the debuffing, so I could just use Makoto's turn to use either Charge or Concentrate while the rest of the team would set things up for me
Tbh, basically wasting Yukari's 2nd Theurgy on Aigis feels so bad tho. But if you're just using them for support related stuff it doesn't matter lol.
Mine was Makoto JunGOAT Yukari and Aigis, ez merciless
Basically the harem team
my team is the same too
Mine was mitsuru, yukari and kuromaru
A lot of tartarus and monad bosses actually are susceptible to at least one ailment in the early-mid game, so mitsuru's ailments are actually really useful when you first get them if you poke for what can work. I spent a good portion of the game keeping foul breath on me, because there kept being situations where either mitsuru or yukari could eliminate any difficulty in the fight with an ailment.
My final party ended up being Yukari, Koro, and Ken. Yukari was the necessary white mage, Koro was too good of a boy not to add, and then I felt bad for Ken so I had a well thought out and put together team.
The first time I played FES (Way back into 2016) that was my party lol
I think overall Yukari is on another level of usefulness then the other party members. She has no downsides, she covers every type of healing a party may need, she can be a decent offensive option and can buff and charge the party. In the early game also being able to apply Pulinpa can cheese lots of fights given the low resistance to ailments on the first floors of Tartarus.
I completed the game using Yukari, Ken and Koro. I mainly choose Ken and Koro to help MC to hit enemy weakness and I think, especially when Koro learns auto masukunda, the best options for exloring tartarus.
That being said, while Koro was a great choice even during boss battles, Ken struggled a lot. He is a very slow character, he fill lots of roles but cannot keep up with all of them enough to be a great party member during long boss fights.
I wanted to mention one thing on Aigis that you didn't said in the video and that is the main reason I never used her instead of Ken. Aigis unfortunately is being held back by how powerful Yukari is in P3R. They both share an electric weakness and since Yukari is a must on every party, that means that Aigis is usually not a great choice to use with her
Them sharing a weakness is almost never relevant.
Just equip Electro evasion buffs lol
Lol Aigis is a tank, she's the last party member you need to worry about dying, similar to Ryuji in P5R. Plus she got enduring soul
I ran a Aigis/Shinjiro/Koromaru glass cannon type team back in September it felt hella satisfying starting a turn with Koro using Revolution, Aigis using her phys skills and Orgia Mode, Shinji using his own already hard-hitting phys skills, and seeing the crits come in like crazy. I haven't tested it myself since I felt like I was getting too overleveled at that point but I imagine putting Junpei in place of Shinjiro when he leaves would do wonders considering how hard he rebounds lategame.
this is my first persona game. I brought junpei to every single fight. My 🐐
I'm surprised you didn't mentioned Dekaja for Ken. Literally SUCH a good buff to his moveset. Tartarus enemies love spamming buffs and Heat Riser. He was pretty much a mainstay in my party because of that
My comp I've been running is Yukari, Mitsuru and Koromaru. The coverage is already good enough, but I would put Mitsuru on the best tier with Yukari just because how good defense debuff is. Also, having Concentrate is extra good when you have Theurgy. I honestly don't know who could replace her
I have the exactly same composition as you, I couldn't agree more. I love debuffing m'y opponents way to much, Doggo for Debilitate and it's the crit festival for MC with a full strike Persona. Yukari's here to save my butt in case I greed too much while trying to crit xD
You don’t use Ken well; Heat Riser is a “this turn you get all your buffs back” spell you use on a Concentrated or Charged target who just lost their attack buff, or a Debilitate answer, or to refresh one of the buffs you need but wore off/was removed right before the boss attacks.
Ken mostly exists to make sure enemies don’t get Knock Downs on your weak targets. He’s great for Reaper or forcing Megidolaon casts you can just heal through rather than having a Shadow get a 1 More and, say, buff themselves or attack again.
Good list i do think aigis is better than koro tho since by the late game youd have a lot of debilitating sutras. Playing on merciless having aigis be such a tank is so nice. At the end of it i gave her firm stance on an accessory to make her an unkillable support with sometimes really good dmg if fuuka charges her.
Ain’t no way you named Makoto as “Door” 😭 Only true persona fan would know this 😭😭
I used Yukari Junpei and Mitsuru pretty much exclusively post lvl 70, i didn't see a huge use for Aigis ever bc i didn't know when i was gonna be facing someone who resisted physical moves and figured occasionally having a fire weakness with Junpei could potentially be useful, even though he has awful magic scaling and doesn't even get decent moves till later, i mostly used the MC and for buffing and debuffing and went for high physical moves for crits on Junpei and shielded Mitsuru and had her use concentrate to blow up enemies with her strong ice moves. Honestly had i not had bad luck using Aigis earlier with her weakness always being hit, I'd probably have tried her more but I didn't see her buffs as too relevant since i was using the MC as a buffer and physical damage dealer in the moments that mattered so i found myself passing turns with Aigis never using her SP or getting nuked by her weaknesses
How dare you put crit god junpei in bottom tier
To be fair Junpeis Crits aren’t amazing till like Koro joins. His Skills early game only hover around 10% Crit + Characteristics +10% Crit. So he basically is Critting around 1/5 of the time before Koro comes and pushes it to 1/3.
Even despite this Junpei is the Best Dps throughout the game because he just has the hardest hitting Skills out of all the party members. Torrent Shot is not far off of Deathbound in effective Base power and Blade of Fury outdoes Akis Gigantic Fist.
My team progress was
Yukari, Junpei > Yukari, Junpei, Akihiko > Junpei, Akihiko, Mitsuru > Aigis, Junpei, Akihiko > Aigis, Junpei, Shinjiro > Aigis, Akihiko, Shinjiro (hermit) > Aigis, Junpei, Akihiko > Aigis, Akihiko, Koromaru (medea)
And my final team was
Aigis, Junpei, Akihiko
A couple things I'll add for mitsuru is mc can get those sprint skills that automatically cause distress when you ambush enemies and since she's one of the faster party members I began almost every non boss encounter with her critting and that immediately led to shift boosts so that's why she was an easy pick for that synergy. That and she's the only character other than protag that gets spirit drain so completing entire sections of Tartarus in a single night was easy with her and mc farming sp from low lv enemies
Mitsuri with an ice amp accessory spamming Diamond Dust was my main damage dealer by the end, she's nuts
just my personal list
1. Mitsuru
2. Shinjiro
3. Yukari
4. Koromaru
5. Akihiko
6. Ken
7. Junpei
8. Aigis
Yukari stayed with me for the whole ride and id say a mix of mitsuru amada and koromaru mostly did it for me !
i really have to try late-game Junpei sometime. crit builds seem to be the best in the game, and with Koromaru Power Howling and an auto-matarukaja, you can get both Junpei and the MC to hit stupidly hard while ignoring resistances with their best weapons
You underestimate the power of the harem build…
Yukari, Mitsuru, and Aigis is my party regardless of anything
I went full physical damage so Aigis and Aki stayed in my team the whole time. I also had Ken though I kept getting frustrated on how easily he would die and I’d just have to heal anyway.
However the amount of times Ken’s theurgy saved my ass by team reviving/healing was too many to count😂.
Plus I murdered the reaper by letting him buff and reflecting his team attacks back at him for massive damage.
New Game plus I’m definitely replacing Ken for Junpei and making a persona strictly for healing.
Overall the game was hard until Aigis was on my team, her skill set is broken af.
Also Siegfried broken af as well, I maxed out his damage and luck with incense.
In the mid game to late game I mostly just used heals and melee because of how scarce SP was. SP for big fights but regular mobs or even some bosses/farming was easily done with 1 healer, 2 meleers. Usually Aegis and doggo.
When you unlock the 2nd Half of Arqa (When Mitsuru Joins) you can get Invigorate 1 Accessories from 1 Fragment Chests. Also Kens Characteristic restores 10Sp and if that wasn’t enough he also has the Fastest Theurgy Charge with Divine Intervention in his Kit. He can Spam Divine Intervention (Makrakarn + Tetrakarn + Mediarahan + Full Revive to All Allies) every 3 Turns.
@@helpihavebats6392 Yeah I used the SP accessories in P5 religiously, but I didn't use them at all in p3. I mostly used accessories that gave high evasion to their weaknesses, as (from what I remember) in p5 it's way easier to cover your weakness with a skill/ item etc. I think p3 just had fewer options so I went with what was safest. Also I enjoyed ken, but Yukari was just a staple on my team for the cheap heals.
@@nosleepforme2242 Ken also generally comes with cheap heals its not that unique to her. Mediarama is 16Sp to use and Spirit Restore recovers 10Sp per turn so Ken gets 6Sp Mediarama to Yukas 4Sp Mediarama. He gets Divine Intervention in October way before Yukari gets Mediarahan so he also gets that earlier and for free on top of Walls.
The only tier list I agree with 100%
Great video, as for Persona 5 Royal, you always have been my personal "get good" guide haha. I just would like to ask you a question tho: how come that every teammate that you showcased had their natural weaknesses nullified?
Thanks! Late game, the Antique Store has Null Element accessories available
@@bainz Thank you! :D
@@bainz I scrolled to confirm this as well since in the video they were carrying other accessories so I thought there was some alternate method to it.
I’m not surprised with junpei and I rarely used him at all unless my party ran out of SP in a Tartarus run, i was surprised he or even Akihiko didn’t have a charge level up skill for being the main physical damage dealers. Mitsuru also feels a bit limited in a bad way because all her Skills cost ALOT and she doesn’t have a Teammate buff rather a debuff and once you unlock concentrate... say good bye to your SP. Akihiko is really underrated due to his buffs and Amazingly fast theurgy charge always came in clutch plus Shock is incredibly useful. I don’t think I need to talk about Yukari, Aigis and koromaru because they are always my go to party when it’s time to fight tough enemies but for Ken is on and off because besides magic there’s really no other way to deal damage as he’s so focused on defence. And also I was so annoyed that only Yukari and P3MC can cure ailments because so many enemies use it against you and most of the time they are always targeted leading to frustrating battles.
It seems using mitsuru and junpei in tandem would be a interesting combo
I use Ken a lot and while like his SP generation while exploring, his support capabilities and OP theurgy... he isn't strong enough to say carry you against an enemy your whole part is dying like the Reaper cause he loses his theugy meter on death and on other enemies it feels like overkill to shield everyone against attacks that Yukari can just heal off. He sounds powerful on paper but I think devs gave him some counterproductive mechanics to represent his inexperience as a child, maybe??
I slapped on that one knife that gives Koromaru uhhh a think its Apt Pupil in English (クリティカル大UP in Japanese) and over 80% of his attacks are straight up crits. I didnt even bother to use his final weapon because Koro's just so broken.
my current team is the harem group for the memes which still works surprising well outside of having 2 zio weaknesses.
Putting Ken in the bottom is actually wild.
Ken is very underrated as most people got used to using Yukari as the healer since she is available right from the start and Ken joins the party pretty late. No doubt Yukari is the better healer as she can cure status ailments too but Ken offers more utility while still being able to perform his duty as the healer. His screens, heat riser and dekaja are much more useful than Yukari's masukunda which is pretty irrelevant approaching the late game. Yukari is easy to use as you just need to cast mediarahan every turn. Ken's moveset give you more options apart from healing. I think Yukari's battle characteristic is better than Ken's but Ken is more versatile for sure and definitely should not be placed at the bottom if you know how to use him. Factoring everything, both are pretty even in my opinion. You could even argue Ken is better in late game as he could save your party members from instakills which Yukari can't
My main party was Koromaru (S tier in this game), Ken (so usefull), Junpei who goes well with Koro crit buff and charge atk buff.
Edit: Junpei should be replaced by Aigis for a better team comp but i wanted to use him.
It's so easy drop ken's sp. Just use some phsyical damage and restore everyone's hp with ken after the fight. His theurgy fills up very quickly. I think he's really solid.
Once i unlocked Ken's second thurgey, i never had a single death on any of my party members
I’m not bragging or anything but didn’t use any buffers in late game because I had persona specifically built to cast auto-buffs right in the beginning of battle, koromaru then debuffed enemy and everyone is strong enough to deal lots of damage
Sound good by me
That’s solely the reason I dropped Ken off my team since there was yukari with all the healing you could possibly need and bottomless sp
i used yukari, mitsuru, and junpei. mostly bc these are characters i like + i didnt use junpei or mitsuru in FES despite rlly liking them. mitsuru and junpei have rlly good synergy together bc her freezes guarantee that junpei gets his theurgy faster.
The party I used to defeat the reaper for the first time was p much level 76 CRITpei, Akihiko and Koromaru. I went in with A LOT of homunculi, but with buffs and debuffs, the insta kills didn't hit once.
Next, I tried to go Yukari + Mitsuru + Koromaru and they just kept dying so eventually I just gave up and replaced Aki with Ken. His second theurgy is GOATED.
Personally in fes I grinded a lot because I actually enjoy Tartarus and thought it was waist full not to use up everyone before going home, also that they go home when tired so I got eventually a surprisingly accurate sense for when they would get tired so I would go and save to refill sp and then keep grinding. I usually got sick in Tartarus, which apparently most didn’t know you could get if you grind for too long.
Anyway so all my teammates was level 90 for final boss and I don’t really remember what they used for it
But now in reload it’s Yukari for healing and Aigis because it’s Aigis
I went with Akihiko also but I’m not really a fan of him, it’s so annoying that even if he’s last in the lineup he’s always first to act (I’ve maxed everyone’s stats and honestly he annoys me, can’t go a second without saying “training”
Same reason I don’t like koromaru, having him in the team just makes every one repeat his name over and over
Koro-chan Koro-chan Koro-chan Koro-chan Koro-chan Koro-chan * Koro-chan* aauuugh! So annoying
Yukari is so overrated in this game ngl. Amrita shower is borderline useless by the point you get it, you are only saving money which you don't need (you can just buy AoE ailment heals at the shop). It is exceedingly rare that multiple patty members are statused with different status effects.
Earlier on status heal skills are somewhat useful but not too many enemies use ailments anyway. On top of that, relying on a specific member to heal ailments instead of items is asking for trouble if that specific party member is the one status'ed.
Lower SP cost healing on Yukari would be insanely useful earlier on, but you don't need it that badly when you can just return to the entrance of tartarus and use standby member SP for heals if you need it, and Fuuka Theurgy / the clock exist. It is a nice bonus for sure but is not that big of a boon.
The other healer is Ken, and he heals for 10 SP every single turn whereas Yukari effectively heals for 30SP but only on turns that she heals the party; I'd say that Ken's is better as most fights do not need you to heal that often, and it lets Ken easily have infinite SP even while attacking with spells while climbing tartarus.
Sukunda is also the worst debuff in the game unless you're fighting something like a golden hand so it's not a super big draw. I think Koromaru is the best party member (auto-include) in the game and he already has auto masukunda for golden hands, so I don't think you ever need to cast this past earlygame. You'd rather have basically any other buff / debuff skill.
Mass concentrate is great, her damage is solid and AoE heals on a party member is very good, but a lot of her utility is not very useful at all. Ken is just as good as her as a party member if not better but for some reason people think Yukari is the best thing ever and Ken is still as bad as he was in the original game.
Too long
Cool opinion, still gonna use her
Everyone knows why Shinji isn't included in this ranking. If you did all his linked episodes, he ends up with auto-heat riser and the best charge skill in the game. Sadly, you only get this version of him for like maybe a week before his.... event. Easily the most broken persona side character ever.
where would you put shinji if he was permanent though?
I think maybe in Great
My usual team tends to be Yukari, Akihiko and Mitsuru. Occasionally swapping out others for certain bosses.
I actually really loved using junpei late game, he ended up outdamaging aegis even on aoe scenarios wich is really impressive
My party for Nyx in P3P: Junpei, Akihiko, Aigis
My part for Nyx in P3R: Junpei, Akihiko, and Aigis.
Man, i thought Akihiko was stupid in the original. His theurgy is just asinine. I damn near one shot Takaya.
Man I wonder why shinji isn’t here that’s weird
Ken is much better in my opinion, I've used him for my endgame because I think he just does more than Yukari.
Yukari can revive and heal ailments.
Ken can create shields, has Dekaja and his shield Theurgy is just so good, it protects from damage and deals damage by reflecting at the same time. I think it's just insane.
I mean towards the end of the game my team wasn’t taking as much damage, but 11 SP Mediarahan and 3 SP Amrita Shower are absolutely nuts, especially due to Yukari’s massive SP pool. Plus I would just cycle Mediarahan for 5 turns and just give my entire team Concentrate with her Theurgy. Unfortunately for the sake of variety, Yukari is absolutely insane
Ngl, Shinji is one of the best ones you can get, i pretty much adopted his playstyle of auto buffing and using auto rebellion to clear with crits, defeated two moons with that strat on MC and many gatekeepers, truly a legend (i know, most people would say that crit playstyle is a given, but I got it from him :p)
I just had a thought, about how aigis with her ultimate armor from the antique shop learns null ailment, i gtg see what I replace insta heal now…
Personally I used junpei almost the entire playthrough (except when switching out for levels) and he lands crits rlly reliably whenever he has multi target physical attacks. Idk maybe I just got lucky
He gets access to some really strong attacks rather early
ex At level 25 he gets Torrent Shot
Torrent Shot if it hits 3 out of the 2-4 hits is genuinely stronger than a Heavy Mag (same with Blade of Fury)
Sorry but kens second theurgy is literally the best ability in the entire game.
If a person has skill issue, sure
@@bainz Damnnnn
My final party was yukari, aigis, koro
Tbh even though I haven’t finished the game yet (at 1/10 rn but I have alr played FES 3 times.) I agree with your takes with the only thing is that I think that Koro might be a little better than Yukari, Aki and Aigis are better than Mitsuru, and personally I think Junpei s a little better than Ken. Overall good list 👍🏾.
I might keep Junpei until the end of the game if he can learn apt pupil and maybe Gigantic fist or God hand for full physical skills
Akihiko is seriously lost most of his debuff skills
Maybe if he got Debilitate I will keep him as well until the end of game.
And I was hoping Yukari could learn Salvation just like Yukiko in P4G. but I guess she still quite broken if all her characteristic was unlocked
I think strongest party overall is probably Junpei, Akihiko, Koromaru. MC can do both damage and support which is not bad since Persona switching builds his Theurgy gauge.
Also with your Akihiko build, the Dragon Boots are uncontested best in slot for him and Junpei.
But Ken is the ultra safety boy especially with how much he can spam Divine Intervention.
One downside of Yukari and Mitsuru that's not really discussed is that phys is straight up stronger than magic because of how crit scaling works.
I’m a Ken defender for life, his +10 SP characteristic makes him so broken, the best theurgy in the game IMO, great coverage and lowkey outshines akihiko at his own game while also being the teams support while you can argue that Yukari has better theurgy charge and heals, Ken just has so much utility that it’s hard to decide which ones to keep on him by the time you reach endgame. I honestly think that Ken is the best party member in the game tbh
Yea, he's def good. Main reason he wasn't higher was cuz I wanted to look at the entire game, and prior to learning his characteristics, it kinda feels he runs of SP really quickly. And when you have the characteristics, everyone feels like they have infinite SP cuz of Invigorate 2/3 accessories. And I didn't find the screens/Heat Riser that useful personally
@@bainz Sure the invogorate accessories are nice but you need to take up your accessory slot for that. I was able to put the phoenix charm on ken so when my party got wiped out and ken survived, he can put a theurgy up and revive them all to full HP with a barrier. Way more useful imo
I felt that they done Aigis dirty. Not being abie to Orgia Mode out of status elements is a huge turn off. the one character with a gimmick really doesn’t anymore.
What about aragaki i believe his name is he just joined ghe team last night and he's pretty strong i've been waiting for him to join the party since i first saw him im surprised it took so long for it to happen
He is broken when you get him, but quickly falls off hard.
Imo mitsuru kinda fades towards the end. She has the same issue as Ann in P5R. Physical skills are much more superior than magic in this game, many bosses don't have weakness so you need to rely on crits, the same reason why Siegfried is so op when you got him. Koromaru is undoubtedly the best party member at the end due to auto-masukunda, debilitate and revolution. And his full party charge synergises very well with Aigis/Junpei. Akihiko is subpar bc he can't crit as consistently as the other 2 physical attackers and his support skills are pretty weak. He will be better if he at least gets mediarahan. Personally in the late game, I would rank Mitsuru and Akihiko at the bottom. They're good in the early game. Yukari and Ken are interchangeable in my opinion. Junpei slaps in the late game once you got his final weapon
idk man i used mitsuru and aki on merciless and they did a lot, mitsuru with concentrate and a ton of ice boosts just did so much dmg and had a lot of sp, and same for aki except he also had some utility as well (and a more spammable theurgy)
@@wheatleythebrick2276 Well they're good in early to mid game, but near end of game the MC should be the one doing the most damage if you've been building your personas optimally and the two of them just do not offer support as well as the other party members in my opinion. Mitsuru, being a magic attacker, just couldn't compete with the physical attackers in the late game if you give them the right equipment as all bosses can be crit now. Hitting a crit will do more damage than hitting weakness, plus many late game enemies do not have weakness. Ice is a commonly resisted element as well. For Aki, if you like him you can build around his God's Hand by giving him the right gear. But I feel his theurgy only supports his own selfish playstyle and do not benefit the party much. Plus he couldn't get crits as well as Junpei in the late game. His electric damage is mediocre also as he doesn't learn a severe spell. Koromaru is a no brainer in the late game due to its utility so would suggest building your team around him and the MC. Of course, this is all just my opinion from testing raw damage on late game enemies such as the reaper
Was i naive to expect a mention of shinji😂?
there’s a reason he wasn’t mentioned
@@ssxlfless4378 I can guess why....
@@ssxlfless4378he's actually OP though
@@Hyp3rSonic yes while you have him
Haha, you forgot Aragaki! How silly! (I’m not in denial I swear)
This is the most balanced rpg team I’ve ever seen. There are no bad party members.
I might be stupid but Akihiko kinda sucks. He doesn't really excel at much of anything, just very underwhelming.
@@DeepFreierthat’s kind of the point, he’s mean to be the all rounder and he does it great. He can become one of the best tanks thanks to buff amp and still have the dps to one shot the reaper if built right.
@@samsclubhouseAkis not just a tank though hes also consistently the 2nd Best Dps throughout the game(1st is Junpei). He even does the most Magic Damage until Mitsurus Diamond Dust. On top of all that he has the 3rd Fastest Theurgy Charge (1st is Shinji 2nd is Ken).
@@helpihavebats6392wait isnt third yukari i might be dumb
@@vernessawashington9007 if I remember Yukari is pretty middling in Speed as her Theurgy is coded weirdly and is slower in Full Moons. Koro with Apt Pupil outspeeds her I believe.
Akihiko is very underrated thanks to the misleading description of his Theurgy. He is actually one of the fastest characters to build theurgy, and also buff amp and his sinnergy with Yukari`s party concentrate makes him a beast.
Dude if you could please explain what boosts his Theurgy? I still dont quite get it and im on my 3rd playthrough
Nevermind lol i watched more of the video
@@izanagiforsmite4365 Just buff him and let the bar go up lol. I recommend putting some auto buffs on him
Concentrate + his 2nd Theurgy can legitimately melt any Tartarus gatekeepers. The only flaw is that it requires others' Theurgy (Yukari or MC) to work.
@@izanagiforsmite4365 Whenever Aki starts a turn, if he has a buff active, it will boost his theurgy. It doesn't matter who it's cast by as long as it's active. He also gets extra stat boosts from the buff? But I'm not 100% sure on that
@aidennicholson2109 I think he gets the Shin Megumbo Tension doping treatment and gets extra stats from buffs
love shinji rank
Same!
especially with the ability he learns on October 4th, crazy stuff
@@wantediscool I know right? That’s easily the most damaging move in the game.
@@The_Chocolate_OneYeah. The new skill he learns is so good it damages you in real life.
@@wantediscoolI know the Fucking Dies Theurgy is so OP
Listen, the ken 2nd theurgy comes in clutch so hard sometimes.
"Oh no the reaper just charged"
*Uses Theurgy, Reaper uses Asakha Arts*
"Oh no the reaper is dead"
Your own character can one shot the reaper though
second best theurgy in the game
Yeah, but do that easily be you'll need to be at least level 84 and have maxed the star and devil social links. Meanwhile, Ken's second theurgy unlocks for free, two thirds into the game.@@bruced09
@@bruced09 ...Sure, in the VERY late game...
Happened EXACTLY to me
In my experience, Aki slaps the hardest. Buff amp does wonders. Auto skills as well as any shuffle time that charges the team before hand makes Aki strong AF to the point when I use his second theurgy, he mows down reaper's HP to %20 with ONE MOVE! I request a revison of this tier list lmao
Mitsuru is still stronger
@@quatrowr1280 NUH-UH!!
Koromaru is OP the entire game. Early game he alleviates MC's SP use by targeting Fire & Dark weaknesses.
Midgame, Koro is the first ally to really come to fruition as a Crit build character, with armor that gives auto Atk&Crit up.
Endgame, Koro has Debilitate.
Throughout the entire game, Koro has full party charge, and Theurgy that lowers the opponents Agi. 90% of my gameplay after getting Koromaru had the entire team agility debuffed, and my team agility buffed with MC's Auto Agi^. The chances of getting hit and missing were in my favor tenfold. Weapons with 85-88% accuracy would pretty much never miss.
You can also choose to only raid Tartarus close to full moon, and Koromaru's slash skill does more based on how full the moon is -- making him relevant on full moon shadow bosses too.
Koromaru is best boi. He could only be better if Crit Rate+ was on his final weapon or armor, as all other characters besides Ken finally pass him in damage, but he should be using Debilitate endgame anywho.
His ultimate weapon has Ali dance, which combined with his incredibly high evasion, makes him untouchable. I think that’s better than the extra crit rate.
I'm at September right now, and while he's still useful, especially with auto masukunda, but he runs out of sp way too fast to be a permanent party member for me. I still think Akihiko is the best all around fighter/damage dealer.
I also have multiple personas with life aid at this point, so mc isn't bad on sp costs.
Early game you don't even have Koromaru lol
If this video has done anything it’s helped me finally understand how Akihiko’s theurgy works. I spent the whole game just saying to myself “what does that even mean”
2:10
This information is unfortunately wrong. It actually boosts them up to a maximum of 13 levels. For example: if my character is at level 99, all other members affected would only go up to level 14 assuming they are all at level 1
Yeah I just experienced that with my Mitsuru wondering why she didn't go to level 75 where as Kormaru did.
Yeah, it’s a good way to force you to use everyone throughout the whole game
I feel like mentioning Dekaja on Ken is important for the mid game. Because a lot lf enemies like buffing one stronger enemy and Ken can just get rid of that which protects your team quite well.
I always found mitsuru doing almighty was a reference to her being able to use Megidoloan in the Answer.
I few notes to add for Ken
- If you really want to have Ken's SP in range for his personality, you can manually reduce his SP as much as you want by using any equipment with HP increase. You can just equip, heal with ken, unequip, and repeat until your sp is low enough
- If the previous point sounds like is just a death sentence for Ken's utility, due to his low SP pool, not really. Ken Characteristic is not at the start of his turn, is every time he gets action. You can trigger spirit restore 2 or 3 times per turn with shifts, this effectively makes Ken's SP infinite in tartarus, as with proper shifts he will always get more SP than what you use on every non boss encounter without needing invigorate accesories, basically creating this mini game where you can pick if you want Ken to Gain SP or lose SP each battle.
- And similar to the previous point, Ken's personality is also every time he gets action, which again means you can trigger it 2 or 3 times in a single turn, which makes it really spammable in tartarus.
Hmm, yeah if you Shift over to him, you could farm the SP regen more often. I just... generally Shifted over to MC. I also didn't unlock Ken's characteristic til fairly late, and before that point, his SP seemed to disappear pretty quickly. And by the time I had the characteristic unlocked, every party member felt like they had infinite SP (albeit at a slower rate), cause I had the Invigorate 2/3 accessories.
@@bainz and I think you used ken in the wrong way, ken is the best member, taking yukari out of my party, I used aigs yukari and ken, ken with his barriers being quite strong,
any buff on the enemy he could debuff to then apply debuff so ensuring that the enemy doesn't have a buff he can give barriers to people like yukari to guarantee survival or mc so it's simply a situation where you focused on making him a healer while in reality he serves for survival and deskaja aids removing in buffs
and to add to this ken has the second best theurgy in the entire game, your team could be half dead with ken and the mc both having a foot in the grave and with two buttons everyone is at full health with one hit being reflected (except almighty)
@@1tsjustpastabut yukari (and aigis with marakukaja) can prevent that situation from happening in the first place while providing more utility. Ken is good but his role compression is ultimately too niche in comparison to other party members
@@JustMeSavywhat Utility does Yukari provide? Her big thing is that she heals and does wind damage? Sukunda is pretty bad. Ken can cover up Someones weakness with Makra or set up reflect damage with Tetra or Remove enemy Buffs with Dekaja. Mediarahan is all Ken really needs.
Great list!
The only one I actually disagree is Koro-chan. Based on my own experience ofc this dog SMASHES, he literally can solo tartarus from the moment he joins the team up until late game. I've been playing on merciless btw.
It feels like the majority of the shadows are weak to his elementals, and even when they aren't, getsu-ei + auto tarukabellion from his armor that you can buy fairly early from the antique shop + distressed enemies from ambush = almost guaranteed crit. He also joins your party the same month as Shinji, and I don't even have to say the synergy they have, trivializing any fight, even bosses. He is very SP hungry yes, but SP items are very accessible and also Fuuka can take care of that. He just gets better as the game progresses. Definitely Best tier for me, or at least top of Great ahead of Mitsuru.
I agree! Koro is top-tier, just too good and useful to omit from the party. You forgot to mention the auto-masukunda
Listen, he is mandatory. The coverage, crits, auto masukunda? He's amazing 👏
Main party should be Mitsuru, Yukari, Aigis and Fuuka..
Be-because they're cute..
Finally you drop a video on party members, as legends would say “I’ve been waiting for this!!!”
Your posts on party members for 4 and 5 have helped me out so much in figuring out how I wanna use them and learn anything i didnt know so appreciate the great content many.
Edit: I think there are other weapons for Junpei besides his ultimate one that grant him crit skills, juzumaru gives him crit boost and another gives from the antique that’s not his ultimate weapons gives him apt pupil as well, so he does gain access to crit skills fairly into mid game as well but that’s me rambling.
Whoooaaa! Looking cool, bainz! This is an awesome video and I love your thought processes on the potential of each team member! It’s great that characters got such massive glow ups so we don’t have to just default to Akihiko, Aigis, and Yukari again 😅I’ve been thinking way too much about how to break the game and what the best party members are lately and have way too much to say on these topics… but this list pretty much encapsulates my thoughts entirely on where most party members rank!
The only difference in placing for me on the whole list was switching Ken with Yukari because I often found she didn’t have enough impact when the party didn’t need support since wind skills (along with fire skills for that matter) aren’t useful elements to spam in this game if the enemy isn’t weak to them, when compared to ice/electricity (since they have freeze/shock chances that help get critical hits). Also her sukunda skills aren’t really useful outside of gold hand encounters and her other utility of umm poison mist is well, something we don’t talk about...
In my subjective opinion as far as a wide healer goes, I actually think Ken’s reflecting screens, light/electricity element coverage, and life wall theurgy are overall more useful than Yukari’s kit. As Yukari’s revive move, single target heal move, and two ailment recovery moves can all be done by any character through very easily findable, accessible, or purchasable items and I often found that the only party member that would die and ever need reviving was Yukari herself 💀Although Ken can be just as frail as Yukari at times, I found his weakness is mitigated naturally through equipment and homunculus, also his screens help his survival ability if you have a down turn to cast one...
Additionally, since physical skills are so dominant and strong in this game because they cost HP and most bosses don’t have an elemental weakness (meaning fishing for critical hits is often the best approach for highest damage output), I ended up feeling that Yukari’s party wide concentrate wasn’t that valuable and was only really good in a magic focused party along with members like Mitsuru and Akihiko who could take advantage of concentrate alongside the protagonist. On the other hand, I found that a party of Ken, Aigis, and Koro pushes physical/crit to the limit and helps the protagonist maximize damage (buffs/debilitate/koro wide power charge), crit chance (revolution), and protection (Ken wide heal/theurgy/single use screens). Also it seems that the reaper doesn’t punish reflecting screens with megidolan anymore and he killed himself for me when attacking with concentrated wide magic into Ken’s widescreen theurgy, which made me give him a slot on the team permanently after that for just how much it made me laugh 😂
TL;DR The way I look at it, the two best parties with the most synergy in my opinion are Ken, Aigis, and Koro for physical focus and Yukari, Mitsuru, and Akihiko for magic focus… but like you said you can beat the game with arguably anyone even on the hardest difficulty, so people should have fun experimenting and using who they like! Here’s a 🍪for any poor soul that read this way too long of a post, now if you’ll excuse me I have to get back to grinding Shinji to level 99…🔫
Yeah, I could for sure see someone preferring to use Ken cause of his skill set. For me, the MC does so much more damage than everyone else, I value the Concentrate theurgy a lot still (even if it doesn't benefit everyone sometimes). And before I unlocked his characteristics, it felt like Ken would run out of SP after so few Tartarus floors lol. Thanks for writing this though, good luck on the Shinji grind!
The way I see it, there are two types of teams you can have, the Yukari Team, and the Koromaru Team.
Yukari Team would look something like:
Yukari, Mitsuru, and either Akihiko for damage output, or Ken for survivability
Koromaru Team would look something like:
Koromaru, Aigis, and your choice of Junpei for raw damage and self-sustain, Akihiko for a mix of damage and support, Ken for a dedicated healer with a little extra damage from with Vile Assault, or Shinji.
Alternatively, there is another secret third team build that I would like to dub "Fuck em up Akihiko" which looks something like:
Yukari, Koromaru, and Akihiko.
This team has one simple goal, Koromaru debilitates the enemy and gives team-wide charge. Yukari provides support and gives team-wide concentrate. And then Akihiko raises hell with boosted God's Hand, Ziodyne, and his theurgy attacks.
I've been using just about every party member and all of them can feel strong in the right team comp, although Ken has felt the most lacking by far, due to his overlap with Yukari as a dedicated healer, without having Yukari's extreme strengths. Overall though I do love the changes made to party member balance compared to FES, where there was basically no reason to use anyone besides Yukari, Akihiko, and Aigis. I'm glad they're really finding their footing with designing the teammates, they got close with Royal but kinda messed up and made the Ryuji + Makoto combo way too strong compared to everyone else.
Lmao I love team "F*ck em up Akihiko"
Funnily enough, Junpei has been, consistently, one of the most reliable teammates since the transition from early to middle game. Many Tartarus bosses not being weak to something make the fight a bit harder, but if they don't resist all physical damage basically can hit them with a critical many times. I mean, it was not everytime, but often enough that he and Yukari could become the most fixed party members, if I didn't want to train everybody a little bit for my amusement.
Same, until Arigaki showed up Junpei alone was helping me crit my way to victory
Hey there pretty ok list. I learn a bit more for this video but I will say that there was a few things I felt like you kinda missed in this. Ken is more under rated having three types of attacks makes his kit super useful just like Koromaru. Ken learns a heavy piece move a bit later on where it deals extra damage on downed foes. Having the combo of Ken, Koro and main protag having a pretty decent physical sweep with two good element attacks makes his utility much higher overall with a massive self heal SP with back up healer. I would say single person revive is a wasted slot for Ken's kit. At end game I had enough items for downed people. But his ult move being able to bring someone back also full heal party also give double shield is overpowered as hell. Ken is the tool box of the team while being able to deal damage in anyway you need at a given moment. Koromaru has some good physical moves even for late game that helps his kit round off better that. Also you failed to mention the auto debuffs at the start of each fights if you have certain characters which really really helped with golden hand grinding and less setup turns.
I agree 100% with this list. I just finished my play through yesterday on hard and my party was pretty much always Yukari, Mitsuru, and Koromaru. Koromaru in particular felt very strong considering he has such a high agility stat, meaning in most battles he will be the first to attack. There were many battles that ended within the first turn simply by using revolution with Koromaru, and then using a heavy damaging phys move with the MC that would instantly delete whatever is infront of them. The fact that there’s no cap to how much you can stack your crit rate is pretty insane imo.
Junpei never came off my party. I gave bro every strength card I got. Paid off soooooo hard late game
I didn’t know you could do that lol 🤦♂️
Regarding the grand clock, it spawn on your current floor everytime you have cumulatatively used 20 twilight fragments on locked chests. This carries over per tartarus run, and does not reset to 0 if you end your run. Using the healing/sp clock does not count towards the 20. You can game it in a way by getting the devil tarot card, which causes more spawning of twilight fragments and locked chests.
Can you get more than one Grand Clock per Run? Or if you spend 40+ fragments in one run the next clock won't show up until you exit an enter Tartarus another day?
So it does have a fixed pattern? I assumed it was random.
Great info. How did you find out about this?
18:10 Is it actually random? Her Theurgy for me seemed to react to conditions in the fight (she would most often than not heal hp/sp or ailments if the conditions applied)
But also, after she aquired Juno, her theurgy gave me Charge/Concentrate over Party Heat Riser more often, but idk why.
I got the same feeling. I've just completed the game on merciless and everytime Fuuka was ready to use her Theurgy I waited to use it when I was low on SP so that I could have a higher chance to heal back my SP without using the clock.
Not sure why and how the acquisition of Juno changes the AI of the Theurgy, but I too noticed the difference
Yeah, not truly random. If you're low HP/SP, she will prioritize restoring those. If you have many buffs, she'll prob Charge/Concentrate you, etc. I didn't keep track of her AI before getting Juno or after, so I couldn't say
I really hated Junpei he's so childish i hate him .. i stopped leveling him from level 40
This is controversial but at late game yukari is the most replaceable character in the entire game. She is good at two things, healing/reviving and ailment protection. For the healing/reviving it is better just to take Ken in every scenario because he not only learns aoe full party heal and full health revive but he has heat riser, dekja, barriers, an amp for his heavy attack and the second best theurgy in the entire game divine intervention.
But ik that the main part of yukari people like is her anti ailment as its spammed more and while she is the only one to learn these skills and eventually getting amrita shower there are better ways to deal with them. Aigis learns insta heal and since she is best girl she shouldnt leave your party, mc has a shit ton of anti ailment skills at his disposal and grinding in Tartarus will give you access to the 500k anti ailment charm at club escapade and some charms at the antique shop, and even if you dont wanna do all that just running aigis with anti ailment items from the pharmacy or just having amrita shower on mc is more than enough of a reason to run mitsuru or koro over yukari any day.
Also dont take aigis or ken out the party they are the two best characters have you seen their skill sets.
The reason Mitsuru's second Theurgy is almighty is because it's supposed to be a more powerful version of life drain, as she does get that move. You can pretty clearly see in the animation that she drains something from the enemy and then destroys it.
Or it could be because if it was Ice based, there would actually be no reason to use her first theurgy since they're both single target.
What I did with yukari is give her aliment resist, late game I gave her the jewelry that made her immune to all ailments
Seeing as Yukari was in my party 24/7, Aigis, Akihiko, and Koromaru were all flex picks, and Junpei and Ken never really saw much action, I agree with this list 100%. I didn't get as much use out of Mitsuru as I would've liked to, but she was good any time I needed her to be.
Here are my ratings after beating the game:
S: Yukari/Koromaru
A: Mitsuru/Shinjiro
B: Akihiko/Aigis/Ken
C: Junpei
S tier: Yukari is easily S tier. Her Theurgy actions are brained easy to charge, best healer, etc. You won't need Diarahan seeing how she gets a "built in" spell master - so it's better to pick something like Wind Break or Pulinpa for supporting coverage. Her high magic stat means that she will dish out some pretty good dmg on anything that doesn't resist wind. Koromaru gets Debilitate pretty late, but once he does he can fit on an team and his high speed stat is often overlooked since he will move first in most battles. Koromaru's Theurgy charge is very exploitable and the final build seen in the video is exactly what I used. His ultimate weapon is very good and his Light weakness can be managed very early with the right Armor setups (Revolution is also very good for physical party team). S tier characters can fit on any team given any situation.
A: Outside the MC, Mitsuru probably has the highest dmg ceiling. Concentrated Diamond Dust hits exceptionally hard with a 60% chance to freeze with Aliment Boost (her Almighty Theurgy also hits stupidly hard). Aliments are very good on red shadows early on too, and you will be depending on them depending on which difficulty you play on. Mitsuru is pretty much useless against anything that blocks Ice, so Ice Break is an absolute must on her in place of eerie sound (this will also help out on those pesky treasure hands that start blocking everything on higher Tartarus floors). You only get Shiniro for a month, but he is a physical monster that hits extremely hard around the moment you get him. His moveset sorta "builds itself" and I don't remember him having any weaknesses the enemy can exploit. A tier characters are very tempting to use because of their high dmg potential while requiring minimal setup.
B: Characters are very well rounded in this tier. Depending on how you look at it, some of these picks could even be A or S tier. Everything is subjective, but I feel that they are missing something that would overwise push them into A or S tier. Akihiko has an easy Theurgy charge, which thankfully saves him because his dmg is not hot. While God's Hand hits very hard, it also takes a good chunk of HP and needs to be accounted for by having Arm Master accessory/support. Akihiko might be a little "too well-rounded" for my taste, but his buffs/debuffs are extremely good for the early game. Aigis is a very solid character that seems to suffer from a slow start - Orgia Mode is not that impressive (it might be up there with one of the worst Theurgy skills actually). Correct me if I am wrong, but could she not learn all Kaja spells in the original? She is very versatile, but I dunno. I just think the Aigis from the original game had a lot more going for her than this one. Ken is a fantastic supporting unit, but Yukari just outclasses him every step of the way. He does get a "built in" Invigorate 3 which is nice, but it seems to offset the point of his Theurgy charge. His Ziodyne is a good coverage move, but without boost don't expect much from it outside of getting cheezy all-outs.
C: I don't think Junpei is bad by any means. On paper, he looks like a really solid character that should be placed higher. My issues with him is that he doesn't do something that another character can do better. His magic stat is waaaaay too low, so Agidyne should be removed in favor of Koromaru's magic/amp support (in the beginning of the game you can get away with using fire spells since there really isn't another option outside MC). His Theurgy depends on....luck I guess? Sure, you can increase the odds of him getting criticals with the proper setups, but it will never efficient to the point where I have to consider him high tier. On all of the teams I placed him on, he seemed to weigh the team down the most and I only really place him on all out physical teams due to this reason.
EDIT: My end-game party was MC/Mitsuru/Yukari/Koromaru
Personally destroyed the game with Yukari Ken and Koromaru. Double healer makes sure we never ever wipe or barely even die and Koromaru has debilitate and his Theurgy charges the whole team. I was one shotting every phase of Nyx with the MC. Last phase i went for Armaggedon just for overkill xD
I have to say this game has the best party members in persona they are so well balance and good for almost every situacion, i had a loot of fun just swaping my party for almost holle game, my final party was koromaru for debuff yukari for her god healing and aigis buff and of course the MC to nuke everything
The most well-written cast too
Yukari is so amazing with her healing skills, but honestly Ken is good too!
Great video, bainz! Always love to see your content and especially your Persona and party builds.
We built the characters pretty similarly for the most part. I ran Breaks on Yukari and Mitsuru, but honestly I didn't use those skills very often. In retrospect I would have done Neuro Slash or another ailment skill on Mitsuru; not sure about Yukari. I opted not to keep Diarahan since Healing Apex makes Mediarahan only cost 11 SP, and I always found it worth the extra 6 SP to top everyone off.
I struggled a lot with Junpei since he learns so many good skills. I ultimately chose to drop Marakukaja since Aigis has it and you can also get it as a consumable from the antique shop. I wanted to keep Gigantic Fist so he had full access to the physical triangle in case something resisted slash/pierce. I thought his crit rate was terrible in the early game too, but he improved after getting his upgraded characteristic.
Also, it's worth noting that Insta-Heal can be dropped on Aigis when she gets her best armor (which nulls ailments), though that comes pretty late.
Thanks! Yeah I haven't gotten around to getting Aigis' best gear, what would replace Insta-Heal though, maybe just Diarahan?
@@bainz Yeah, probably either that or Dekunda. Maybe Diarahan since it's easy to not get debuffed if you're diligent about maintaining buffs, but I found I had so many Beads and equivalent items by endgame from dorm activities, Tartarus, and such.
I think the reason Mitsuru’s second theurgy does allmighty damage is because there would be NO reason to use her first theurgy otherwise, even at it’s current state your probably going to use the first theurgy 5% of the time just to hit a weakness and get a shift or an all out attack, but most of the time MASSIVE damage WITH DEBILITATE in one move makes it a contender for one of the best theurgys in the game or at least top 5
TLDR it does almighty because there’s no reason for that theurgy to be stronger than it already is lol
@@tekwizwa It also does not look like an ice type attack.
I feel like there's still some incentive for her first one since I would imagine it would stack with her innate Ice Boost/Freeze boost, or maybe Ice Amp if you have it as her weapon
Nvm lol I should have watched further because he brought this up too
For me, the best party members for bosses are Yukari, Aigis, Ken. For general grinding, I swap Yukari for Koromaru. Ken and Koromaru's element coverage is handy for grinding, and Aigis just does a lot of damage. So in that sense, I would say Ken is the best overall party member, but where it really matters(in bosses) Yukari is still queen.
As you said, you can beat the game with anyone. I feel like I'm the only person who ever ranks Mitsuru last. Nothing wrong with you ranking her highly, I just don't favor her. Like everyone else, she is viable.
My rankings would be:
1.Yukari
2.Ken
3.Aigis
4.Koromaru
5.Junpei
6.Akihiko
7.Mitsuru
My final team was actually Yukari, Aigis, and the goodest boy himself Koromaru.
I kept Yukari around because she is unequivocally the GOAT.
Koromaru I kept for magic(the real reason was I refused to remove him from the team, because I love him too much)
And Aigis did lots of heavy phys damage + buffs
That was my final team too!
That's the great thing about Ken's abilities, theurgy, and characteristics. You don't really have to hold back too much because he will always have SP, and keeping him low on SP 24/7 is pretty damn easy. So not only can he go ham more than most, he has multiple weaknesses to attack, is great for healing/support AND his theurgy comes back fast as hell! The ONLY negative i have experienced is keeping him TOO low on SP will prompt Fuuka to restore everyone's SP rather than the team wide heat riser with her theurgy. -_- Overall i find Ken much better than Yukari.. unfortunately I'm just not a huge fan of Ken as a character :P
akihiko is good, but i think that is one of the worst character, by a simple fact: his early game
my god his early and mid game are horrendous. He cant do a good neither physicall nor magic damage, and his one target skills can be easily replaced by using mc personas, that probably have multi target buff or debuff by that point. due to this, using akihiko is not very worthy, and thus you wont be leveling him up, diferent from junpei, that you would probably use becuse is the only physicall ataccker by almost half of the game