How YouTube Changed Hollywood
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- Опубліковано 3 лип 2024
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0:00 Why filmmakers hate UA-cam
2:22 Editors used to hate Netflix
3:34 UA-cam’s secret advantage
4:58 Why Sven’s film students reject UA-cam
6:35 How Sven started his UA-cam channel
11:00 Comment “We love Stir”
11:43 Film vs UA-cam intros
15:55 Why do music video work on UA-cam?
17:54 How creatives use social media to tell stories
20:17 ThisGuyEdits’ biggest UA-cam lesson
22:14 How James Cameron hired from UA-cam
24:41 Secrets behind ThisGuyEdits
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Why do filmmakers hate UA-cam? James Cameron has hired someone immediately after watching their UA-cam video. But if you’re posting your artsy film on UA-cam, and working with UA-cam’s “retention rules” doesn’t that mean you can’t make your film the way you intend?
We honestly don’t know if UA-cam is a good or bad place for new filmmakers, but we wanted to explore these ideas with Sven Pape. He has edited films that have been to Sundance and Cannes, but he is best known for his UA-cam channel ThisGuyEdits. Sven is the rare content creator who has a foot both in the UA-cam world and in the traditional film world. And so we wanted to have the conversation. - Фільми й анімація
This just opened me up to knowing about “This Guy Edits” And now I subscribed to him and i’m watching his videos lol
Your are going to have the BEST afternoon binge watching his channel. Enjoy!
I was literally watching a "This Guy Edits" video when I got the notification for this video. My world's collide. Love it
Less than 6 minutes in and what I'm taking away is we need to make a "UA-cam Film Festival." A focus on Long form, Extended form, and Short form.
stop stop it's too good oh my gosh that intro is so masterfully created i've watched it like 4 times already, your timing and storytelling choices for motion graphics are literally unmatched, there is not a single better editing team on this whole platform holy shiitttt
Love to see more professional filmmakers get involved with UA-cam. Film festivals have such lil exposure and, most traditional media is bloated with unnecessary costs. Awesome interview.
Film Festival says UA-cam is a ban to 🎨
Great episode! I'm a filmmaker & post monthly shorts on YT and love it. I have a platform where I can make whatever I want & not be restricted.
This must have been one out of the best episodes. Like Sven said, they filmmaking x youtube crossover is still a code to be cracked. I loved him as a guest. It just hits different when people are in the same space as the hosts.
His video on The Square made me watch and study the film. Much gratitude for his channel.
This is the collab I think we have all been waiting for 🎉
I was hoping for this interview /pod! Stoked you guys did it
Great episode. And tbh, I wish it was longer. You two and Sven are a great mix.
I never thought I would have somewhere with such specific content that is relative and beneficial to my editing work. Sven, Chancler and Hayden are three editors I’ve followed for a while, absolutely grateful for you guys making this quality content.
A perception orchestrated by... *gasp* Vimeo! Oh and all traditional media platforms slowly losing audience share to UA-cam. Love this channel--every intro is an absolute banger and gets you hooked for the full conversation. Terrific insights from Sven!
You can use a preview of the video as a hook. You can either have the preview as a separate video or right before the beginning of the film. As soon as the preview is done, the video can start.
There’s a pretty clear few reasons why UA-cam is not taken seriously:
1 - There is no barrier for entry. ANYONE can upload something, and there doesn’t appear to be any curation of who gets to produce anything.
2 - Movies are, generally, perceived as art while UA-cam is perceived as CONTENT. Both have crossover, but often don’t.
Your little sibling’s cat video taken on a random cell phone shot with no clear motivation, meaning, or direction gets 25 million views. It changes nothing about a person’s life except for getting a slight chuckle.
Additionally, look at the most popular channels on UA-cam vs the most popular films. What do Mr Beast and Marvel have in common? Where do they differ? Look at the most respected UA-cam creators vs the most respected filmmakers: Scorsese vs Dude Perfect (?). The platform seems to appeal to different sensibilities.
However, if I were in film school, the process of making films - from pre to post production - gives less opportunity to practice and hone your craft. I sense that there is less opportunity to get better at what you’re doing because you may be doing it less than someone rigorously editing videos for 1-2x/week release.
3 - Not paying for the content you watch, and it’s effect on the viewer’s expectation. Great films seem to reward viewers patience. Great UA-cam videos seem to reward viewers impatience - and impulsivity. If I don’t pay to watch these videos, why should I wait and see what happens next?
Click.
And how do I know I can trust that the person who is making what I’m watching can be trusted to make something intentional and worth watching?
I love making videos and am learning so much all the time. I consume resources like your podcast rabidly. Thanks for making stuff, it has been a huge influence on my journey!
Damn that intro was so good it didn't full hit me when it ended and the interview began 😅 great job boys!!
Love your editing podcast! Such a wealth of information
Please interview Dan Mace! He also comes from traditional Film and moved into UA-cam. A conversation with him could be so interesting!
As a UA-camr from Ghana🇬🇭, the bar can be very low in terms of producing great content, but there has never been an episode where I don't get to learn from this podcast and apply that wisdom to my UA-cam Channel. Thanks a lot, Haden and Jordan.
These are all so interesting, and such great info. Having Sven was a great bonus, too!
In the netherlands, we have a film school that focuses on the students making loads of content regarding interviews and news items and posting it on youtube. It is the best way to learn about presentation and quality of your productions.
man this video is freaking cool. jhus right from the music selection to everything. loved the knowledge you shared. you guys are so great at what you doing
UA-cam is a huge waste of time and a massive addiction, there I said it.
What is happening to me? I watched all the ads even the "cheeky" ad all the way through. That's the only gift I know to give you. Don't spend it all in one place. Keep it up.
You've both allowed me to fanboy, love these podcasts! So THANK YOU!!! 😁
First off. I love these podcasts, learn so much about editing here. Second. Making narrative stories on UA-cam is super hard. We've been making videos and telling stories and it's been really hard to get views or traction for our content. So frustrating.
great. thank you!
This one was the last video,
I basically watched all videos, 😢
Many things that I will stare using here in my Chanel,
It’s incredible the amount of good information and knowledge it’s possible to obtain from a Chanel like this one.
Congratulations and thanks for charging these experiences, it’s good, very good for people like me who are just starting at editing and filming
This is my favorite episode so far!
I was wondering where you get your music, because I really love it and I also love the intro.
You found the guy that taught me to begin thinking in "story" and how to cut...and cut again...and cut even more....with confidence.
Keep up the great work!! 👍😁
I love Sven channel and his editing analysts. The second I saw him I was embarrassed with my community post guesses lol. My favorite video of his is "Why Does an Edit Feel Right? (According to Science)"
Hi! Thanks for this good and inpiring conversation. It was great to hear that story from Sven how James Cameron hired some creator because he had done an interesting video. This is good content. Keep up the great work!
Oohh finally, i've been waiting for this Guys to be in the Editing podcast
🎉Sven is the best guest u can hv as a guest. he is a phenomenal editor and a human being. I am so lucky to learn frm him and also started working from him. As a small youtuber learning softwares and stuffs on youtube .. never belived that one day i will edit fr someone like sven. he is my mentor and my editing has evolved so much after coming under him. loved tge podcast.
This podcast makes me realize how much I actually love UA-cam.
Lads, I absolutely love this podcast/channel. So much has been learned in launching our channel in the last four days, its a very valuable tool in a rapidly growing market and i think there is a place for everyone. Please keep it up.
Epic , hope he’s back on soon
Thank you Sven, Hayden and Jordan! Raza :)
Man! Main point of the video for me:
"Tell them WHY they should watch."
What problem are you solving or how does the viewer benefit from watching - I gotta figure out how to do this in my videos!
let's gooo! I knew that somedayy you will have a collaborative content with thisguysedits!!! woohuu!
This is the best podcast show.
I think Kane Pixels has cracked the code for film making on youtube
There's no substitute for having a live, in-person guest.
I am getting my bachelor's in screenwriting this month... My plan is to study youtube while posting as a media sharing platform and the next thing next to film and tv. It sure has a thing or two to do with its own way of storytelling.
6:22 I feel like this has already happened! At a much smaller scale though. I immediately thought of channels like Marble Hornets...granted their videos catered to the horror game/found footage niche so it didn't garner as much interest, and when the channel was still posting, it was around the time when UA-cam content creation wasn't even a true concept compared to how we see it now. I think they were ahead of their time.
That channel is a great example of crafting a narrative from short-form videos that makes you want to watch more and dive deep into the lore
I’m a young filmmaker and content creator! ❤️ I view UA-cam as a good way to learn how to keep deadlines, plan videos better, edit better and film better. After I started my channel I made a commitment to creating, and it has definitely pushed me to work better on shortfilms as well, because now I have the tools on how to plan better and how to work better.
Oh Jeah!! Good day if a podcast drops ❤😜
Wow👀 "ThisGuyEdits" love his contents ❤️
There he is!!!!
Good stuff
Best collab ever!!!
so good like always! Where do you get your music from?
you know when you've been subbed to someone for ages, but have forgotten why/when... so you assume its been because of their current content... so when Sven mentioned his chicken video... hahaha - that's when and why I subbed... totally forgot that, but remembered in a flash. i just liked the storytelling and his passion :D
Chris Stuckmann used his UA-cam fan base to crowdsource his movie "Shelby Oaks".
Power of UA-cam.
Good job bro
My favorite podcast on UA-cam!
I don’t know why, but I really liked this episode so much I put it in the watch later playlist. Thanks guys.
Be undeniable. That's it. If you can do that you'll be fine, no matter what angle you are attacking
Love this podcast
*unpopular opinion*
Filmmakers focus on making long format stories that they want to last for decades that are watched time and time again and shared with friends, family, date nights, loneliness and much more. People see Beasts 50 Million views and only focus on money and likes, a couple of the videos may be continuously viewed but the majority of them will not even be remembered. The quality may say authenticity to some but for others it may say "i dont really care about quality, i just want views" if everybody copied what he does the uniqueness of his style would become generic. i think it works for beast because his niche, his personality and him and his friends are all elements that cant really be replicated. we shouldn't focus on algorithm and money, chase making something timeless........in my opinion lol
A friend of mine has a film going on in festivals and was warned not to upload it to UA-cam
The only thing I wanna clarify here is that UA-cam Originals actually did pull from a lot of outside talent. Most famously was Cobra Kai with Jon Hurwitz. Originals largely failed because the UA-cam ecosystem had people trained for a different kind of consumption method & the main value draw of UA-cam RED (now YT Premium) at the time was the lack of ads for normal YT videos. The main value proposition was ad free viewing experience & most people were plenty entertained by what was already on UA-cam. They also largely had their long form content habits formed on other platforms. It was an uphill battle for change people's viewing habits without cutting into the bottom line for UA-cam's other content.
Love this
Well this throws light on the different expectations that the traditional platform and the digital platform build to fulfill us. What I think is missing and is rightly pointed out by hiller's example in dark knight is that silent exposition that requires a keen sense of attention.Good movies do that without us realising the fact that we are crying at a scene and all the built up tension is released. What i took away from both your experiences is that UA-cam is actually a private experience but we act as if it's public in our psychology rather a theater is a public experience but people cry that bringing their family to decorate the occasion isn't that strange? We need a decorated private experience that can happen on UA-cam which hasn't been figured out yet. Let's try our best future editors 🙏🙏.
I think an episodic format might be a good way to feature a movie on UA-cam. Similar to what Marvel did with their limited series. 6-8 12-20 minute videos, cliffhanger at the end that seamlessly goes to the next video.
Would be cool if UA-cam made a short films section, similar to what they’re starting to do with podcasts.
Great podcast! While UA-cam is a great place to put up your content, I just wish it to be more content creator-friendly and handle copyright issues well. There are many folks whose videos were taken down by UA-cam just because some "fake, duplicate" creator requested them to do so and claimed copyright.
Twitter is often filled with such complaints and UA-cam "can't do anything" as per their "policy". Hope this scenario changes soon.
Information got really good in middle towards the end. I definitely need advice how to edit better or story tell.
My last couple videos are. Small channel
#1 video 2.9 views ctrl 15.9% 4.53 out of 13 minutes /still trying how to do better.
You guys gotta check out Danny Gevirtz. He started his channel to teach people about filmmaking and also capture his journey as a self taught filmmaker. He just finished shooting a feature film that was funded by other creators and has made videos throughout the whole process. It’s insane and fits right along with what you were talking about with artists showing albums etc. behind the scenes.
You should invite Danny Gevirtz. He came from UA-cam and now made a feature
I was wondering if there was anywhere to watch the videos Sven talks about, the ones they opened up the editing bay at 09:00
Top tier podcast
I love this guy!
The obscure filmmaker on youtube has to contend with the algorithm.
What crew gets residuals???? I've never heard this from our business agent!
in photography at art schools / university there was a quite similar discussion around 20 years ago between commercial/fashion vs reportage, art photography. The commercial side was deeply hated and trashed, they all wanted to do 1:1 what the Bernd and Hilla Becher did, Gursky or the typical social porn photography ( white dudes going to then still super poor East Europe or to a tribe in Africa or rural India and doing reportage about how awful this is… with their Leica or Hasselblad (important everything else they saw also as trash). Shure after they finished art school - no one was able to do it as a photographer - no one needs another Bechers or Gursky. The money was in the commercial world, where photographers with an artshool background where non-existent.
TOP!
Excellent shirt Hayden, why do creatives dress like they work in finance?
Thks for this episode. Why we can't find the link of your personnal channels ?
Just added them to the description :)
@@EditingPodcast nice ! Thks
I thought this was a this guy edits video. 😂
UA-cam is a great place to learn.
0:42 MAD Clown Destroys City To Prove A Point
Other titles to test:
Clown Destroys City in 2h (timelapse)...Start to Finish
How to Destroy a City if you are a clown? ---This is a more niche title
How to Destroy a City?----- for a wider audience
I destroy Gothat City in 2 hours (account name: Joker)
Any other ides @GoranJurica?
Not entirely, if you're into animation tons of animation directors upload their stuff on UA-cam
Link to This Guy Edits channel doesn't work.
With more of the bigger UA-cam creators dipping into mini-series like jacksepticeye and markiplier, I can see enough consumer trust for those longer payoff content types
so their saying that fight club is the best for youtube
This episode ended too early. I could’ve easily watched an 1 hr more of this talk
I think film is too slow, but the storyline will work on UA-cam
This channel is gonna be HUUUUUGE
W video
Regarding Stir - This does not seem to support EU Creators?
This felt like 5 minutes ugh
notice me guys
I don't think these guys understand what UA-cam actually is, let alone what a film is. If all the big Hollywood directors came to make films on UA-cam, it wouldn't be UA-cam anymore, it would be Netflix. Also these guys don't make narrative films, so really what advice can they give anyone? Big thumbs down.
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