How to Make A Grooving Plane for Tong and Groove set
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
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This is still so enjoyable even after all these years! Never gets old lol
Thanks man. That was a fun one.
Interesting video. Just a couple of tips using O1 tool steel. O1 is very forgiving but easy to overheat especially if you are only watching for a particular color. A red color in a brightly lit room will usually result in overheated steel. Overheating the steel tends to reduce the carbon content making for a less than optimal cutting edge. You can use a magnet to aid in reaching the proper temperature. Pre-warm your quench oil. I usually heat a chunk of mild steel and then plunge into the oil a couple of times which will warm the oil... Optimal temperature for the oil is around 140 degrees. Heat the steel to the "non-magnetic" point and then hold it at that temperature for around an 30 seconds to a minute before quenching the steel in oil. Another tip is to not bring the cutting edge to final thickness before heat treating. Leave the edge to the approximate thickness of a dime, harden and then temper the blade, and then do the final shaping of the edge thickness. If you use a power grinder for the final edge profiling, be sure to not overheat the edge.
+William Boggess Thanks I had not thought of preheating the oil. I usually use a magnet but for this one I just decided not to. Probably the wrong choice but oh well. I use to leave a bit more material on the tip but as I only use hand tools in the shop the grinder is out, So I have to do most of it before hand I just try not to directly heat the tip. Thanks for the great Ideas though!
I think you were born 100 years too late. You are a true Craftsman.
.......haaaa....love how you start with wood from the pile, I do the same....what a great show, will watch this several times, the work was well shown, music nice, not to loud, your voice was loud and clear!... Some more details on cutting the mouth and getting it cutting for the 1st time would be a nice....I love T&G panels for back of cabinets,and sides, looks great in the back of a jelly cabinet or hutch...again..what a great show!
+Rick L Thanks! the nice thing about this project is I can show more detail on the tonging plane So I will make sure to show more of the mouth and wedge! thanks for the feedback, and thanks for watching!
That is so nice. In a couple of years you will have a shelve with a full set of molding planes.
I recently brought an old molding plane back to life. Its so much fun to work with these things. I might need to have a crack at this too. I just need more time.
+Willem Kossen That is always the problem no time! but yes I just love the feel and look of curls coming out of these, that is the joy of hand tools!
I too am a fan of socks with sandals
LOL that was before the clogs. wow that is an old video!
Wow. That turned out great. Also like the simple old style shape of the rounded ends. Very very great job. 👍
+John Burkitt I am glad you like it. for me the most important part is that it feels good in the hand, if that is right then it is a joy to use. and to me that is the whole reason for hand tools!
I love your router plane.
Amazing
To proper heat treatment simpliest way is to use magnet. Once steel loos it's magnetism it's ready for quench
I know this is an old video but still very enjoyable and informative for me to make my first grooving plane. The A2 tool steel is air harden. Thanks for the videos.
This looks like it would be perfect for a drawer bottoms.
I see glimpses of the two hand planes you are building...looking forward to the finished plane. You are so close to 1000 subs.
+Sighthound Studio yup I got to get those finished in time!
Sehr schön gemacht
Vielen Dank!
Axe and planes are so nice and complementary. Great job waht you did with the wedge, and fine results. This set will be in a future projet at mi shop. Thanks for sharing !
+Daniel Solowiej Sweet! Looking forward to what you make! I think my friend will be happy!
Excellent work Mr Wright. Greetings from Argentina.
+Hugo Canepa Muskett thank you. Glad to meet you.
Awesome, James keep uploading these great howtos. I'm taking notes.
+OG Timbercraft Thanks! I have so many more I want to make!
Great video. Thank you!
I don't understand how you don't have more subscribers!
+Josh Millar Well I have only been around for 6 months. 1000 was my one year goal. thanks though!
I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who sometimes wears sandals in the shop.
LOL yep I just upgraded to clogs now but still slip on.
Great video. Also you always have sweet music for your videos.
thanks Brian!
Tremendously fun and enjoyable to watch! Way to go! Great project, great video!
+My Garage Woodshop Thanks! it is a joy to use!
that is awesome James. I wonder if I'd ever be able to make hand planes like that. I really need a workbench. So cool.
+Mike Kapotsy In all honesty these are so easy to make. my first one was only about 4 hours from log to adding finish. and it is one I use to this day.
Beautiful plane! I don't plan to make one, but very fun to watch.
Nice boots!
Very nice! Thanks Jimbo
Thanks Man!
Great Woork👍😍
You were good back then, too!
Simple
Very nice James !
+The ShavingWood Workshop Thanks.
Very impressive, great video.
+BearKat Wood Thanks. no carving on this one! LOL
I strongly advise against using olive oil on wood, as it dries at most to a gummy sticky state. I once oiled my kitchen table with olive oil. Well...I had to scrape this goo off manually. I initially tried sanding, but even with the most corse paper, it clogs up immediately. Also, if you put linseed oil on top of the olive oil, initially the linseed oil dries, but the olive oil inhibits full drying and seems to seep up through the linseed layer eventually...and then I had to scrape again to really get all the olive oil removed. Yeah...learned a lot there :)
Hi there from Portugal,
Nice Plane(s)
+Blog das Madeiras Thanks! they are a joy to use!
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excellent...!
cheers...
+Adam Quincey Thanks! I am looking forward to having both done!
good video james you can always make me a set lol
lol thanks Gene!
Very much a novice here. If I wanted a half inch tongue and grove am I using the same procedure just replacing 1/4 numbers with 1/2? I'm trying to make table rails for an extension piece.
Love the video. Look forward to viewing the rest
+Mrcasmac Right on! that would give you a total width of 1 1/2" you can make it any size you need. If you need any help just ask! I honistly would love to help in any way I can! you can find my email in the about of my youtube page.
I like the slippers
+Taylor Starcevic lol yup. That is why I switched to wooden clogs.
I like your dedication to hand tools but wow lol you should have used the hand saw to get your 90 degree then plane it true. Save a lot of work lol and time needing to sharpen those blades again after. Great video again very detailed instructions
well that is the fun of a scrub plane it marches through wood and is often faster than a saw. Plus, I find it far more fun!
Okay, James, you just tossed that firewood in there, and started with the plane (scrub)? No need to get out a froe and split it down etc?
At that time I did not have a froe. But this piece has a flat side that was fairly good so the scrub only took a moment to clean it up.
@@WoodByWright Got it. I liked looking back at this because I saw what was important to you in tools at the time. 8 years ago and you had at least two good joinery saws (the two Veritas). The Veritas marking gauge. I noticed that your marking knife was a cheap craft/x-acto clone. A lot of the rest was basic, even a moderate set of chisels. It's good to see for me to get an idea of what might be important to me as I move forward.
Almost think I could do it after watching this video. Probably a step beyond my skills right now, though. Also, a joking sidenote: everything fits in your videos except the plastic sandals. We need to get you a pair of hand-made leather shoes or something (although, I'm guessing comfort trumps all here). Keep up the great work.
+Matthew Friedrichs LOL. it is on my list to make leather top clogs some day. we do not alow shoes in our house but I need something in the shop so I slip these on and off 20 times a day. but I do need to change something!
And do not sell your self short. this is actually a fairly easy project once you dig in. I will go into a bit more detail with the second one. thanks for watching!
Do you have to heat up the steel in order for it to cut wood properly ?
Heating and quenching it will harden it so the edge lasts longer.
Hello. I have a veritas plow plane, bit being honest is not my favorite it tears out a lot and in some times the tear out ruins the groove. Consider that a 60 degrees plow plane( with a wooden body will make a better job? Like an old molding plane)
And my second question is where can i adquire a blade that i dont have to make the "torch job" ?
With a wooden plane you can close up the mouth in front of the iron and that will give you a cleaner cut. but most of the time it just comes down to how deep the cut you're making. if you take it down to a 1,000th of an inch or so you can generally get rid of most tear out. As the irons, you can use old chisels or by dedicated irons. There are several tool makers that make them. Veritas, Lee Nielsen, hawk tools.
Do you go through alot of vices? I recently did some hand tool work... Found myself on the wrong side of the shop infront of the moxon most the day! Awesome project James. Now i must see "how to make a hand router" didnt even know that was a thing!
+The WoodWorking Junkie LOL is that the next challenge?
Wood By Wright actually if u need a moxon vise.. I would love to see one made by hand! put it on your list for the future at least!!!
+The WoodWorking Junkie When I make the kids bench I am going to put one on there! wanting to do wood screws too.
Wood By Wright awesome project for the kids! wood screws??? thats not a thing.. lol
Nice
+Kilroy1225 Thnaks!
very nice james...a little bit of hand tool making and your nice and calm. ;) i think i have a groove plane..i found it in the garage of my house when we 1st moved in.no iron for it. but the opening/mouth has an engraving that says 5/8"..so does that mean i need a 5/8"iron amd it cuts a groove 5/8" deep and away??i posted a pic on my Instagram of it a while back...happy easter to you and yours man!
+Joe basementwoodworking That is interesting. normally that refers to the groove width, but you should be able to measure the body to find out what will fit. I will have to see if I can dig it out of your IG feed.
+Wood By Wright ok..kool thanks man..lmk if u cant..i could just email ya a pic of it. .looks like it was home made and stained ..happy easter
Sweet if you want to email me it is in the about me tab. I would love to look at it.
Totally amazing. Where can i get plans to make all the wooden planes?
+Woodsconsin Woodworking Plans? Who uses plans? LOL I might have to make some some time!
who would dislike this video?
LOL even the best videos get 1 per thousand. it takes all kinds. LOL thanks Soam
I've maybe missed it but where is the link to the tongue plane that was mentioned?
here you go.ua-cam.com/video/rjvL72H5caI/v-deo.htmlsi=wyJFE3yG0PyblpYx
Do you happen to sell any hand made planes? Or have any recommendations of any craftsman that make wonderful planes?
I do not sell what Make sorry the best for hand made planes would be Red Rose Reproductions. He makes amazing planes.
Thank you Sir!
Groovy plane man... Just had to do that. I noticed pointing the end of the wedge was a bit tricky. Would it be easier to clamp a plane in the vice upside down and use it as a cheese grater? Might just be more setup time for just one piece...
Cool plane looking forward to the Tongue. Will you be making profile planes or do you use the scratch stock for that?
+Nearoth ya there are 100 different ways to do it. but i found this to be quickest and a little more challenging! I like to learn new maneuvers!
Could you post where you bought your blade stock. Also, what's the reason/ exp behind your choice of O1 over A2?
thanks Nathan. here is where I got mine from. amzn.to/2HH19rS untell you have been working with hand tools for a while you can not tell a difference between the two in use. O1 is just a bit more forgiving to temper as it is oil cooled. so that is the main difference, but either will work fine.
This would be perfect for cutting the truss rod channel in a guitar neck. How hard would it be to make and add a movable fence to this instead of having a set 1/4"?
Well the moment you do that you made a plow plane. but it would not be that difficult. I might have to do that one some time.
Wood By Wright ah I see. Still a newbie to this whole world!
Can you just take all my money and make me a set of planes? These things are awesome!
+Michael Vivian LOL! Thanks. I have been looking at what it would take to make them but as of now they would be around $600 a set for the time involved to make them with hand tools. but As I did for these I am wiling to trade. LOL but wait there is more Saturday I will put out the last video on this pair. Thanks for watchang, and thanks for the great complement.
what is the inner grove for? Surely its just a rebate plane?
This is a grooving plane not a rebate plane. It is for making 1/4" x 1/4" x 1/4" grooves for drawer bottoms.
If that groove in the plane didn't exist the cutting iron would not sink into the workpiece. You would get about two light shavings (the distance between the plan sole and the tip of the iron) then it would just skate. A rebate plane would keep cutting because the iron is the full width of the sole but for the grooving plane the iron is only part of the overall width.
nice work! have you made a low angle jack? so far i've made a jointer and a high angle smoother with the veritas kit. I think next up is a low angle jack. young je has a video of making one, but he uses a steel sole and i just can't get into it. My smoother is of hard maple, looks great, very durable, burnishes as it cuts. i'd use that. anyway, you should make one so i can copy yours! cheers
LOL thanks Sott. I have not yet but I do have on my list to make a full set some day. we will see though.
maybe i should send you a piece of this hard maple, and you could build one from it one day. it's great stuff. i see people send you things sometimes. let me know if you're interested. my email is scottmccall1@gmail.com. i'm up in vancouver bc, where cheap white oak is hard to find but i got this maple at a good price from a man who had to move in a hurry haha
thanks for the offer Scott. I have a couple blocks of maple and walnut set aside for that though. got to love a good piece of hard maple!
it's a love/hate thing fo sho
Just to verify, the grooving plane is 1-1/4" thick, and the tongue plane is 1-1/2" thick...?
Something like that. There is no magic size. Just needs to be big enough.
How much does the O1 iron cost? And how long to manually file it to approximately 30 degrees?
+Slap Stick I just purchase it from McMaster each of the two irons for this project were about $7. On the 1/4 X 1/4 it took about 5 minutes to file it by hand, but that was before hardening it. you can also order it from Amazon but they are a bit more expensive
Wood By Wright Got it! thanks.
SOCKS WITH SANDALS!!!! :PI see lots of clamps behind you on the wall. I have only been watching your channel for a month or so, and don't remember you using them. Did you make them? Can you share that process?
+Duncan McRae LOL ya it is on my list to make some clogs but one of the issues of having a shop in the basement of a no shoes house. LOL. Most of the clamps I have purchased and restored, but the 7 furthest to the right I made. the build of those is back in some of my earliest videos but the quality was really bad back then. I should make a new video some time though.
+Wood By Wright please do! I looked previously and could not find.
+Duncan McRae WOW. I just looked and realized I never actually covered there construction! I just mentioned a few steps in a few shop updates. I will have to change that. I was not as interested in dimistrateing back then, it was more documentation for my own benefit.
Merci!
Nice video, would like to have it on paper how can Iget it
There are no plans. it is just made by eye. sorry
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To make a groove plane you'll need a groove plane
You could cut the groove with a chisel, same as you would for a mortise. Pretty sure Paul Sellers has a video on that - maybe in one of his door making videos. You can also make the plane in two layers, cut the groove with a rebate plane then laminate the fence part onto the side - Rex Kreuger has a video on that. Apologies for mentioning other providers but hope it helps and doesn't detract from how good WW's video is.
Nice. Who did you order the tool steel from?
I usually buy it through Amazon amzn.to/2tiSSkR
what brand of planes are you using? Irving?
+Fabian The Angry Almost all of the wooden ones I made. Most of the iron planes are Stanley but I do have a few other names. my newest plane is from the 1920s I do not have anything agents newer planes but for the price older planes have a higher quality to me. Does that answer your question?
Wood By Wright
yes thank you, i have a stanley number 4 and a few wooden planes and I was just wondering if there is a huge difference other than price. thank you.
+Fabian The Angry If you really have the money the Lie Nielsen Planes are so worth it! but in all honesty cleaning up an old Stanley is the best bang for the buck and a better plane then 90% or the ones on the market now. but it all comes down to your maintenance and sharpening ability.
Some like it hardcore
the best way LOL!
Laminating with thinner pieces of wood works if you don’t have a fancy plane.
I feel like I need to a lot of hand tools, to build a hand tool. 🤣
I have a newer video that I did about a year ago using far less.
I think A-2 is air quenched
+macstmanj3 you are corect I misspoke. It is actually O1 steel. Not A2.
O1 stands for oil , A in A2 stands for air, dunno how they do it
Why olive oil?
Not Olive oil. Homemade boiled linseed oil, I have a few videos on how to make it if you want to see more. Though I do know a few people who use olive oil for finishes. It cures a bit slower but it does have its bonuses.
Great work W, thank you, but you forgot one of the main rules of shop: wear shoes, you hippie - joke!
LOL there is a reason I now have wooden clogs for the shop.
Tongue*
not on this channel. lol
Pretty frustrating to find a video on how to make a grooving plane and find that it requires the use of a grooving plane. Right up there with scissors sold in packaging that requires scissors to open. Normally love this channel though.
45s are expensive!
The earlier grooving plane is made without one. You should see that video.
Thanks so much for the reply! I haven't been able to figure out which video you're talking about, but I did find your live groove making video helpful.
here is the video I was talking about. it is an older one and I was experimenting with sped up video. but the info is there. I may have to make another one here soon and do a better-updated video. ua-cam.com/video/UVF5m2MQmMQ/v-deo.html
Ooo that is a good one! Thanks!
sock and sandals seem like a poor choice for a work shop
One of these days I am going to build some clogs for that. but I come and go from the shop 20-30 times a day and these are just convenient.
it looks like your time don´t had any value, with two or three power tools you can make that's in a few minutes, i don't understand the people like you, you are abourred by electricity payments?
+Renato Gigante bus dude. Slower is so much more fun, quiet, and less dust. Not to mention cheaper and safer. Some times it is worth slowing down and enjoying the prosses as much as the product.
I respect that, but still think the same, I enjoy the processes, but like carpenter and upholster that i am, working in this way i would poor...
+Renato Gigante but most Woodworkers do not make things to sell them.
Perhaps you mean tongue
Due to google search that is actually a spelling that is trending. one of those dumb things with SEO that works.