Honda Civic Type R Transmission Problems | Have We Found the FIX??
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- Опубліковано 20 гру 2017
- After a few months of searching for the fix, Honda of Hackettstown agrees to try something to see if it will fix the transmission grinds I am getting in my 2017 Honda Civic Type R (FK8).
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I’m an Amsoil dealer; if Honda says Amsoil voids your warranty contact Amsoil immediately and we’ll get lawyers involved on your behalf.
oh they were cool with it, but unfortunately it didn't fix the issue.
Except they didn't say that. He thought that was a possibility.
Honda should pay you for testing and fixing their car.
haha! I would be happy to just find the cure!
I hope this change of fluid works for you and others. Please keep us posted and nice job on the videos.
Thanks John!
The FK8 is growing on me, i think its a great car. Nice and smooth shifting too! Keep it up gato👍
Sounds good..I hope its an easy fix though. Great info...Oh Gato, did you get the typr R engine oil changed yet, if not how much miles your planning on getting it done?
+Marcus Wright hey Marcus, I haven't changed it yet, I'll be doing it at 6k miles, just have to decide what weight I'll be using
I’ll be honest with ya, I’m not sure if this is how you drive everyday, but it looks like you’re moving the shifter unnecessarily quick between each shift. Not saying you need to, but it would make your driving experience much better if you learn to move the shift lever with a more SMOOTH transaction between each gear rather than a quick shift. I had the same impression with my evo x gear box. It was making the same noise when I shifted from 2nd gear to 3rd gear. Took my car to my tuner to find out everything was okay with my transmission. My tuner told my I should try to learn how to shift between each gear with a more smooth transaction rather than a quick one. So I began the learning process of shifting each gear with a more smooth transaction. Ever since then, the grinding went away 😬 again, this is just my opinion, you can take it for what it is but I hope you could give it a shot, maybe this could help you as much as it did with me?
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Love your channel btw man
Thanks!
glad this worked. Im skeptical if it's a complete fix though. What you described sounds more like a shift fork issue. Amsoil is def better than the stock fluid though. What made you choose Amsoil over Motul? I'm running Motul and it's notchy as fuck when cold. Curious what made you go with Amsoil.
Yea we shall see how it goes
Thanks for the informative video. It’ll definitely help some people
Happy to help!
Here in Poland people are changing clutch fluid to motul rbf 660 and put heat cover over clutch secondary cylinder to prevent heating up clutch fluid. And it works.
Although I don't have the issues with the transmission as you and others have reported. I'm curious to see if the higher quality oil resolved the issue. I used a synchromesh oil from BG back in the day with my Integra and it completely cured a grind I had going into 3rd gear.
We shall see, in any case the trans shifts better for sure
Hi, are they using the Manual Synchromesh Transmission Fluid 5W-30? Thank you!
I am
Did you purchase the trans oil and take it to them or did they get it themselves? Also, when you got your oil changed did you go with OEM oil and filter? Im due for an oil change myself. (on a side note. I finally got my aFe exhaust and put it on. Got a video on my channel.. First youtube upload!)
I brought my own trans fluid for them to change as well. No motor oil change yet.
Great to hear they will be doing an oil analysis. I'm hopeful that will reveal the cause or clue to your issue!
I'm just hoping to get this thing fixed so I can move on to more fun things
FlyinGato worst case you could force them to buy it back through the lemon law. Would need to document the issues and do a bunch of paperwork. Hopefully it doesn't have to come to that.
Installing an upgraded cmc, upgraded motor mount and fluid change did it for me. The upgraded cmc made a massive difference
Did they actually find the issue? If so, lmk. Planning to get the type R-currently driving the S2k
Hi there, I was curious how the Amsoil handles when it's still cold. I read a few years ago, especially with the S2K guys, that while the Amsoil was good after warm-up, it felt really rough when still cold. Would love the feedback! I am also an Amsoil dealer and have been advising to stick to the Honda MTF over Amsoil to Honda customers. Thanks!
Amsoil works great, but especially in the R transmission, you have to be very ginger when you're shifting for the first 10 minutes, after that, it's all good. I recommend it.
You didn't downshift from 3rd to 2nd, went right to 1st. Are you noticing grinding is happening when you don't downshift?
So I didn't use Amsoil in mine but I did go with BG Syncro Shift 2 and had very good results. I replaced my shift bushing with new one from Acuity and now I have had no more issues
My si does the 1-2 grind usually shifting right after turning or during a turn. No clue why
I've been seeing that the grind happens more when I'm mid turn
I just got a 2021 with the same issues (at only 3,700 miles) so I’m hoping to try the same fix on my car.
Had no problems with my gearbox, nice and slick changes.
that's great!
i just had a leaky timing cover gasket in m y 17 rebel the front diff was wet and i saw a line of fluid in the street going to my driveway they fixed right away. i am skeptical to though about miracle repair in a can.
wow that's crazy, didn't Rob also have warranty issues with his truck? Scaring me away from Ram trucks...
his were loose moldings and fender flairs at least i caught it and it cost me nothing my plan is to take any factory flaws and make them better
I don’t know where, but I’m pretty sure you could have sent the transmission oil off for analysis.
It my have been possible to get clues from that analysis as to what is causing your grinding issues
I was tempted to, but I wanted Honda to get it, I want them to hurry up with the fix. I already know what they will find - lots of synchro material since I've been grinding the hell out of 2nd gear synchro
15 year Honda Tech here... I would have first off driven with you, then watched your video then started a Techline file then pulled the transmission apart and checked the synchro's as well as an inspection. My reason is from 06-11 I replaced so many 2-3 synchro sets in that gen of six speed that I had 13 files open one time.. during that time they came out with a service bulletin. Premature wear, replaced with Carbon lined ones, fixed everyone, even the accords. We have two out in the field and no issues with them yet and I know that the R trans is new but I am guessing that when enough get sold and the complaints start coming in more frequently there will be more attention at Honda brought to it. Ya it's a pain and I bet they are already working on a fix or at least looking into but they won't say anything till there is a repair. Either way if the problem gets worse or the transmission hand grenades it's covered for 5year/100,000km here in Canada , then they replace it.
Awesome, always nice to have Honda Techs comment!!! You guys are always insightful. Our trans is covered for 5 years too, but that means that you can't mod it for a bit of extra power if you think your trans will die off rather quickly. It's a bit of a conundrum.
3 Year/60,000km in Canada for Type R
I saw on the vtec academy channel that the trans has a water cooler. He mentioned that it doesn’t just cool but it warms the Tran oil up quicker too. That was interesting!
Traditional trans coolers are air cooled. This may have something to do with a special need for this trans? Not sure
Yea I saw that too, I just hope to get this thing sorted ASAP
My initial plan was getting this car to replace my current hot hatch but after watching your videos. I will wait out for your feedback if this is the permanent solution for the transmission grind. Hopefully it is!
Good idea
Did you take a sample of the old fluid to check what’s in it?
no they sent it out, I looked at it, no shavings surprisingly
when do you start having these problems? I haven't got it yet, but I only have 700 km on mine.
at 600 miles
I just had 1st to 2nd gear grind. And i also had the 5th to 4th lock out. Kind of upset as i just bought it.
Watch tonight's video
Hey I know this is off topic but in the video I heard ur brakes squeal mine do this too any advice?
1BadCTR do some hard braking which will sort it.
DC5dotty Ok thank you it drives me crazy. It's like it's brand new and squels like an old one but they say Brembos r known for it.
Woot hopefully the fix sticks (pun intended) But seriously Gato I really hope this works.
haha, yea I hope it works, we shall see
Also try Kaaz 80w90 Gear Oil since your Type R has aggressive gear ratio and built in LSD so using Honda Genuine MTF wouldn’t solve the problem. Good start with the AMSOIL Syncromesh I’ve heard good things about AMSOIL
Amsoil is definitely good, but didn't fix the problem. go look at the video I released last night
I still have had the transmission grind after amsoil swap. But only once .
That's not good...
Flyin gato I have a question. I have a 2017 Honda Civic Si and when I go into first gear going pass anything 5 mph it seems a bit hard to get in to. It’ll feel clunky and not smooth. Is that normal?
It’ll only feel smooth to get into 1st gear while I’m come to a stop around 1-2 mph ( or if I’m already at a stop )
Charles Xiong I have a 2017 civic SI as well. That's unusual to shift back into 1 st while the car is still moving. If you really need to go back down to 1 st gear, rev match first, by blipping the gas pedal to engage the synchros.
john bauer I do rev match to engage the synchros. Maybe I’m just gently pushing it into 1 gear a little too much. I tried pushing it into 1st gear with a little more energy and it felt smooth soo.. idk
They actually didn't design the transmission to go into first gear unless you're stopped at a light. The only way to do this is to carefully revmatch the shift.
Accidentally ran into your video. Noticed how you drive and shift those gears, i can see why you get those grinds,and lock out? Youre lucky it doesnt do it in all the gears shifting like that
Amsoil is King! Been used and proven since the 8th gens civics and newer. Redline MTL is awesome too.
I definitely recommend it
Hope this fixes the problem! Fingers crossed! Seriously, this possible unknown $60 fix is the reason I didn't buy this car.
We shall see!
FlyinGato sooooo did it?
Nope!
FlyinGato ugh, this is aggrivating. I can't even go to the track because I grind. To make matters worse, my ADS (suspension) is having issues. Light came on today.
Get it to a dealer fast
Good luck with the car. However being an 8th gen owner and a type r owner, I don't see this as the fix. Honda spent 1800.00 fixing my second gear grind on my Si and I appear to have the same issue with the type r.
ugh, why can't we have nice things
the highlight of this video has to be that blue subaru wrx at the beginning
You like it?
I use amsoil in my 5speed turbo built r18a1 civic 320whp no issues. This fluid is much better than the honda mtf
Can you please link the oil you are using?
Hey Jonas, it's just Amsoil Synchromesh 5w-30 uniquesynthetics.com
the fluid needs to be heat cycled for it work at its best some gearboxes have grinding syncros from new and get better with time .some don't. I dare say unless this is a widespread problem they wont fix it. just curious do they have a restrictor pill in the clutch line if so remove it
Sup Gato I'm sitting at 1,700 miles on my R. So far I have not had the grind issue but if it ever does happen I plan on switching to Amsoil.
What's up Miguel! I think you should switch it up now, you'll like it.
FlyinGato how many quarts of syncromesh did you need?
I heard the true fix is the rear motor mount. The movement of the engine and transmission in between shifts is what is causing the crunch.
It smooth because the fluid has no life to it, it's still thick and has it's minerals and vitamins in it (lol) , give it a few days/months let the fluid really get hot and try your crazy shifting again , I wouldn't do crazy shifting all the time putting wear on your transmission components, I'm thinking it will do something once the fluid starts to age I always used Pennzoil synchromesh in my cars because it's a little thicker than honda m/t fluid , could also try regular oil like 5w30 I use 10/40 in my car and change it out every time I do oil changes .
I'll keep an eye on the issue as I keep driving the car
Did the syncromesh fix the issue?
Check out last night's video
Wow I didn't realize how good it sounds. Is your exhaust still factory? (Edit: BTW, thank you for sharing this great feedback and insight. It gives me a lot of hope as I too am seriously watching this awesome car. / Edit 2: Answered my question on this, sorry!)
OMG sorry. Just realized you recently did your exhaust mod. Came out really good!!!
glad you liked it!
if its fixed would love to know the actual oil you got
I'll let you know in a few days
I'm over 3k miles and only had it happen once so I'm not sure if you got screwed or if I'm lucky lol
maybe a little bit of both? haha
If this is like the older K-series, 8th and 9th gen Si, deleting the CDV and adjusting the CMC will 100% fix the issue.
its a construction error, exoust pipe is to colse clutch slave cylinder, cylinder getting hot due of this. Change Orginal HONDA DOT4 to MOTUL RBF660 also try to mount a cover for clutch slave cylinder.
Looks like there's some hope , if it feels better already
Definitely feels smoother
haha thats good man, im a honda tech myself and i have been hearing about these issues as well, but hey if its just a matter of having some better fluid in it, then thats an easy fix, i have an evo 9 and im running redline MT90, thats really good stuff too, not sure what viscosity your amsoil is amsoil is great too, i use that in my engine, doesnt burn at all
I've seen from experience the only people having the trasn issues are guys who don't know how to shift. Either smashing gears or shifting too early. 2017 type R and mine has never had any kind of grinds.
It's not the case for everyone. I haven't changed my shifting habits, been shifting gears for 18 years without issue. After I got it fixed, haven't had an issue shifting at all since.
Fingers crossed, but the dealer should have payed for this.
Honda should have, for sure, but the dealer couldn't charge Honda as Honda Corp says it's not an issue.
Hope this fixes it for you. Haven't had the 4th gear lockout in a long time now. Seems to have gone away as suddenly as it started for me. At the peak it seemed like 20% of all shifts from 5th to 4th had the lockout. It just cleared up 600 miles ago though. Haven't yet had the gear grind.
that's great!
Car that price and age should not have problems at all.
100% agree
I was cringing on that grind, like nails on a chalkboard.
ea it's not pleasent
Omg...That sounds torturous!! Every time I hear it it’s like fingernails on a chalkboard!! Fingers crossed.........
I agree, it's awful
Do a slave cdv delete. Then properly adjust your clutch pedal, and cmc. This is not a new "problem". It's literally every manual honda made the past 15yrs+ now.
Try adjusting your clutch
Not double clutching my guy lol
Mate I'm surprised the gearbox still there who puts gears in and out like that it's stupid you've wreck the gearbox yourself
I don't know. It would just leave a bad tasted in mouth having paid what many people have paid for this car and have this kind of a problem. The automotive industry has years and years and years of experience building transmissions. Sure, you can miss something in testing or what not, but what happened to standing behind your product? I've had no issues with my EX-L coupe and the CVT, so I'm inclined to think that the design is there. Of course, I drive it fairly easy 99% of the time. But, a Type R, with it's more honed and defined purpose, ought to be designed to handle the more aggressive driving, right? I'm sure Honda has to deal with customer of all sorts, but they should respond in a collaborative manner to those who are demonstrating a good faith attempt to solve an issue.
it is definitely leaving a bad taste in my mouth..
Was there a recall?
TBills 3000 there won't be a recall unless Honda gets more of these coming to the dealerships, once that happens Honda will release a Service Bulletin for the Service Manager(s) to review and inform Technicians and Service Advisors, within the bulletin it will give a repair procedure(s) for the techs to preform.
No recall yet, still waiting
2:04 - 2:06 -- That's what she said....heh...heh... :D
HAHA!
the dealership shouldn't charge you for the service because the reason you getting it done is to fix an issue the car has
+turbocars4fun I agree, but it's out of their hands, Honda won't pay for it since their official position is that there's no problem
FlyinGato I had the same issue with my evo 9 Mr it started grinding once in a blue then a few months later it was every time I shifted to 3rd the dealership ended up changing the synchros took a month smh
I'm a tech at one of my local Honda dealership, the reason why it's not under warranty is because they just drained the fluid and put new fluid in. That is considered regular maintenance for example an oil change. This may have solved the issue but for us techs the real question is what caused the problem.
Edgar Dominguez do you have good favor with your warranty manager? If so can you give us an update on what they believe the problem is "unofficially".
I had to pay for my dealer to swap my trans oil in my type R to fix the same issue.
But it’s the best hot hatch and you still trying to fix it lol
yea, aside from mechanical issues, it's the best hot hatch.
Get into some snow and make sure your LSD is working LSD = Limited Slip Differential
I was considering buying this car but I don't want to be a beta tester for any car manufacturer. I bought a 2018 Civic Sport in a manual. I know this is the car you owned before you traded it in for the Type R. I'm going to wait a year or two before I consider the R. Plus there are rumors they are going to release several variants to this vehicule. Maybe an even more powerful version. I would more likely consider this car if it didn't have that big wing in the back. I'm not going to drive it fast enough to have that thing be functional. You would probably lose your license if you get caught driving it fast enough to have that thing actually be functional lol. But I love your videos and good luck with the vehicule.
Then why buy a Type R if you're not going to utilize its performance? ;)
I would utilize the 0-60 performance like I did with my S2000, and the handling. You don't need to drive 120 MPH to have fun. I also own a Mazda MX5 ND and that's a blast to drive within the speed limit. Of course I'll speed here and there. All I'm saying is do you realize how fast you will need to be driving to need the downforce that wing provides? If you are tracking the car then that's another story. It's a style preference thing. I'm not crazy about the wing, but I understand other people are and that's just fine. I'm going to wait to see what the variants look like and enjoy the hatchback for now, and the MX5.
Same here. Im going to buy Type R probably a year later when they fix small things like this issue.
Not the lubricant. It's all the plastic internals that used to be made of metal.
Could you show us how to money shift?
Absolutely! Let me borrow your car, I'll make a video of a good moneyshift
Theres one here for 35000 but I might stick with my initial plan.
+WingKing76 are you going to get an Si?
FlyinGato That was my third choice. Type R is second.
+WingKing76 what's your first?
FlyinGato Going to save it for the reveal video.
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As most of us know High performance transmissions from Honda usually have this grinding/gear lock out behaviors. In personally own a DC5 Type S and it had this same behavior. I used fresh green label Honda fluid, amsoil fluid as well none did the job.
I have been using ACDelco Synchromesh Transmission Fluid, It solved all my issues for over 2 years now. It has NEVER come back.
I recommended it to all my DC5 fellows (6k+ on IG) they all solved their issues as well. They are extremely happy.
Give it a try if this Amsoil fluid doesn't work for you.
Very good info here
This is not a problem tranny oil will fix (it does help a hair). You need to delete the cdv in the slave. Then go ahead and properly adjust your clutch pedal and cmc. Every single person who's purchased ANY manual Honda in the past 15yrs+ should be doing it the moment they take ownership.
I've done that as well, and added the acuity upgrades, has helped a lot
It may be a cold transmission on start
It actually hhappens mostly when it's hot
That’s where I live lol
Hackettstown?
FlyinGato yup
I've posted before, I will post again. The grinding, notchiness, apparent lockout of certain gears is purely an issue with the syncronizers along with the clutch delay valve compounding the problem. As others have posted, this is not unique to the Type R manual transmission, the tolerances in all Honda manual transmissions are very tight, throws are short, and engine RPM's are typically higher for Honda cars. There were similar issues when Honda released the S2000, the one easy fix was to change out the Honda MTF for another kind. Back then GM Syncromesh FM was what everyone was using, it made the transmission shift smoother, removed the notchiness and all but eliminated the gear grinds. My 2002 S2000 was one the cars that had notchiness and an occasional grind when shifting. Changing to a different MTF resolved the issue, made shifting feel very smooth, and I ran GM Syncromesh for many years, until Honda reformulated their MTF upon which I switched back to the Honda fluid. The new Honda fluid is good, much better than the old, but probably not quite as good as a Syncromesh fluid (Amsoil or GM or Royal Purple or Redline). Once the fluid was changed, it was a permanent fix for pretty much all AP1 owners that were complaining of shifting issues. However, you did need to change the fluid regularly, every 20k-30k miles. When Honda released the AP2 S2000 they changed some of the low gear synchro rings from brass to carbon which also improved the shifting feel, however GM Synchromesh fluid was not compatible with the carbon synchro rings, so using that fluid was not recommended for anyone with an AP2 who might have had some shifting issues, although I think most shifting issues were resolved with the carbon synchro rings. I'm a bit surprised Honda may not have learned their lesson and not using carbon synchro rings for all of their high performance manual transmissions (maybe they are and it's still a problem). If not, it makes me wonder if once again Honda will change to carbon synchro rings on 2019 models of Type R transmissions.
this is very good info. I can't wait for Honda to fix it...
Best post ever right here. I had a turbo EK civic with a nasty 3rd gear grind above 4k rpm and it went away when I went to GM synchromesh. Amazing stuff. Honda used to specify that you could use engine oil if didn't have honda MTF so clearly they just didn't give a shit because any quality fluid would say that there is no substitute.
Amsoil is better then any oem fluid
#Placebo #Skeptical
agreed
Honda fluid is pretty trash lmao, a synchromesh fluid will make it smother, and eliminate any grind issues
+drklwo39 it's definitely better, that's for sure
Maybe Honda just used cheap oil
Yikes!
I’d be angry if they washed my car 😂
haha, I'm happy they did, I don't like washing my car lol
that's weird
Haha..
Sooo, we're at the point where we buy a brand new $40,000 car and the freaking transmission doesn't work? We have to immediately put in a new transmission oil? Back when Honda was good I drove an Accord Hatchback DX and NOTHING ever went wrong with it over 5 years!
By the way, your transmission is still broke. Honda does it on purpose so they can still keep the money train rolling. Sure, they'll be nice and professional to your face but if you notice they've got their hand in your back pocket while doing so.
God them wheels are ugly ass hell.
Those wheels are ugly as, why would you put those on.
A lot of people like em, some hate em, I got them because they were cheap and functional, and I think they look ok :)
Honda Pakistan.......
:)
This car has lot of problems it seems like and Honda is one the shittest companies assholes don't want to help you I have one it doesn't start the bastards want you to bring it by towing it cost you a lot of money to tow it