Phil Hellmuth Is STEAMING, Doesn't Want Tom Dwan To OWN Him Again
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- Опубліковано 6 жов 2024
- Tom "Durrrr" Dwan and Phil Hellmuth have quite a history. Phil has been known to berate Tom after getting the worst of it, and gets absolutely furious when losing to him. Perhaps that's why he stubbornly refuses to let go of unsuited rags for a massive pot in this high stakes cash game. Should Phil be looking up Tom so aggressively, or is he just setting himself up to get owned once again?
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Phil Hellmuth is a great player. One of his most admirable qualities is that he never tilts and always behaves rationally.
He also accepts losing hands without ever throwing a tantrum
That pic is not of me lol
He also says "fuking smart internet players" after losing a hand.
Phil's a fucking beauty.
I mean you have your own reasons with all his bracelets but I personally feel he is not a good poker player in terms of the competition out there. Tom is fearless and when he has a hand he can cause major damage as demonstrated the the above hand.
Honey, Honey I lost my whole stack with 97 off again
Lmfao AGAIN??
These jokers... Think they can run me over. I'm gonna set him up and he's gonna ship me all his chips next time honey... Oh Philip u are golden 😂
Best comment 🤣
”I call, I play the board” is an amazing sentence 😂
lol
What started as an easy fold, became a 200k lose for Hellmuth.
He is just a nice guy who paid for us to have a good laugh at his expense XD
97o became an expensive hand. This might have worked in a tournament, but this is beyond retarded in a cash game.
"He called me with 10/J suited and I had 9/7 rag, honey."
Has Phil Hellmuth ever won a hand on UA-cam?
C W J they are a rarity
C W J 14 WSOP brackets and loses in UA-cam all day.... hmmm 🤔
Julian Walker *15
@@JAYDUBYAH29 what are WSOP "brackets"?
Rikistoteles world series of poker a tournament of worldwide poker
I wonder what Tom is thinking when he goes into Durrr stare mode.
He's imagining Doyle's limp penis resting gently on his ear.
John Palmer haha, great call John
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"Duuurrr... Breathe in... Breathe out... Breathe in... Breathe out... Durrr"
threepointer1087
Vegas and the fucking Mirage!
True statement every time I play live poker when I decide to play a hand I hear Doug's voice telling what to do or not to do on every street
Jamaul Smity Same but it always ends with "All options are ok"
Maz Illisimo Yes both options have merit
Lol glad I'm not the only one who has this happen
hahahaha
"all options are ok" I just died laughing
Elezra looks like a Sopranos character.
He looks like big puss
Pocket queens!? Bring it ovvvaaaaa heaaaaaaa!
Phil’s first mistake was that jacket... 😂😂😂
No, it was the bowl of potatoes he ate before buying the jacket.
God what a cooler
classic cooler ! so sick !
lul
A classic Cooler indeed... I feel bad for Phil because he was unlucky
yep classic cooler there lol
Cooler? Am I missing a meme or in-joke? This is definitely not a cooler.
ye you are.
Honey! He called my 4bet with 97o!
you left out, 'I'm supposed to go broke here'
...... oh wait, Helmuth did.
I think it's pretty clear Dwan is exploiting the fact that Phil desperately wants to outplay him and win the pot. Hence the flop check, big sizing on the turn and overbet on the river. And it worked!
what drug is dwan doing that allows him to appear semi comatose throughout the entire hand? Is it that stuff the amazonian indians get from frogs?
Andrew Russell
Adderall.
He looks like he drowned and washed up dead on a beach.
@@PigHumanoid to qoute our forspeaker "adderall"
Ketamine.
@@hymnofashes i like you.
the shove on river was pure genius play
this is not general play this is psychological warfare
if he knew Phil was on tilt it is genious play ! if he didnt it was stupid.
The river commentary is just bad. River jam from Dwan is just perfect. Everyone understands that he can totally do it with a bluff given that he's a fucking animal and against such a man like Hellmuth who doesn't want to be bluffed at all cost that's a perfect decision
S Xyua Li and what about the times he doesnt have a TX? I mean is he overbeting JJ?, QTs? QJs? KQ? All the other bluffs? Or is he allways overbeting? And if he isn't, then when he makes it half pot in this Spot what does it mean?. Thats not a good strategy. Doug isn't talking about this exact hand, he is talking about all of Tom Dwans range.
S Xyua Li he is tottaly basing in hes image of crazy and hellmuth tilting to shove there (hellmuth insta called the turn bet). But Doug always based his análisis in a more gto play and how you would make money in the long term if u face the exact same spot a ton of times. But in live póker It tends to be more explotative, in fact i dont think dwan is ever bluffing in this exact same spot, hellmuth is tilted and he es just gonna call. Shove is the best play for me here too
dude the analysis is game theory based...again that's why it's not bad, it's just you play the game differently...for you it's a mind game, on this channel Doug analysis the maths!
Hugo Buenrostro you're thinking as if you're playing against a computer. Against different opponents he will act differently.
Dude...these guys give you some really good advice and you're apparently not taking it. In Poker, trying to maximize the value of one single hand in a single spot can be detrimental to your overall strategy as pointed out above. Being greedy and forgetting about all the other hands you could have in that situation is not how you want to play poker, unless you don't care about winning longterm. That river commentary is just exactly how you want to think about poker and it is successful on any limit out there.
GUY CALLS ME WITH A 9-7 OFFSUIT!-What Hellmuth WOULD have said if the shoe were on the other foot
This is one of my favorite TV poker hands, so glad that Doug took a look at it. I think Phil's comment about not wanting to look stupid highlights a mental state that is common, and one that you don't want to influence your decisions
"How does 9-7 run into J-10 on that board". Good shit
Managing to create a 330k pot with 200/400 blinds with 97o on a board of QTT75 CALLING DOWN ALL THE WAY is really some kind of accomplishment
Hey Doug,
awesome work!!
I can't believe you havent done hand analysis on James Bond Casino Royale final hand yet!
Phil did say to Tom that “I’ll never put more than 3000 on tens, son” at the heads up game
Yeah !!!
Dwan bet almost pot on the turn with his trips for two reasons 1) protect against a draw heavy board and 2) more importantly, he knows phil knows his rep - such a big bet looks like a bluff and disguises his strength. Phil meanwhile does a poor job acting, snap calling to rep strength when if anything it looked weak
12:23 There is his problem. The most important issue for him is how he looks on tv with his decision.
Hellmuth STEAMING got me to watch video end before Hellmuth starts STEAMING!
...and don't say that he made the call because he was STEAMING.
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That's how he made over 20 million with his reading abilities!
Not sure how observant Tom Dwan is, but Phil showed discomfort when he grabbed his hat and pushed his glasses up when calling.
The edge Tom Dwan has over Phil Hellmuth is the same edge Phil Hellmuth has over a bowl of potatoes.
grutopsy lmao
grutopsy lmao
Except the difference is Tom Dwan actually IS better than Phil Hellmuth... Kind of a toss up between the potatoes and Phil
Ian Quinton Banno I dunno the bowl of potatoes have really come on leaps and bounds recently
Lmao
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If you listen to the other players when the hand is playing in the background
Eli elezra is discussing ,trying to organize a game ,asking other players if they will play ,if they are staying around and for how long.
And one of the things hes says is "people will bet with anything with T.V money".
basically saying play not real /or as they would with there own money on the line.
Could be bad english to give him the benefit of the doubt .
but hard to believe any of these Poker T.V shows are real money or dollar=dollar amounts.
Disregarding the level of dynamic between Tom and Phil this hand is a good example of, how big losses on the river can often be traced back to mistakes in the preflop game. The problem with a hand like 97 is, that even when you hit, you usually hit a weak second or third pair, which never beat any of your opponents value range. But you have "something", so you gradually let yourself suck into a larger and larger pot with a mediocre hand.
Doyle aged 15 years while they played this hand. Rip Van Winkle woke up refreshed and my grass grew three feet.
i think its near impossible to know durrrrs range. im sure,all those guys play him differently than everyone else
So rigged! 97 loses wtf.
JokersAfterDark
I do have to give Hellmuth credit for his reaction though. He just accepted his loss, and quietly left. Would have been so easy for him to tilt and lose several more buy ins. He at least knows when he's off his game, and when to quit.
"Let's see if you'll still be around in five years kid"
Well I mean Dean looks like shit these days and Phil looks happy and healthy....
Tom Dwan is not poker elite anymore but Hellmuth looks like complete fish nowdays.
@@nikolayskvotsov3868 Tom Dwan still plays the highest cash games in the world. What does it take to be 'elite' for you?
@@daandemeyer1708 elite are top players. Tom Dwan doesnt play in internet on the level where elite plays(trueteller, koon and others). Tom Dwan and Ivey for many years playing cash games with asian millioneers. They play high stakes but obviously asian millioneers are amateurs and their level is not as high as level of professional players.
Nikolay Skvotsov you are talking about internet poker. If the games in Macau are easy every poker player in the world would move there. Dwan and Ivey are still elite live players.
"Honey, he four bet me with a better hand!"
Hellmuth doesn't seem to understand ranges. He put Dwan exactly on AK.
I have concluded that Helmuth is an average poker player who got into tournaments when not many people did, and won 11 bracelets against not much competition.
That bet by dwan on river was perfect
Hey Doug, when you play live, do you have the internal monolog in your head running like you do in your videos? If you do, awesome! Thanks for sharing your expertise with us. It's highly appreciated.
2 years later and these comments ended up funnier than the call with 9 7 off. And the call with 9 7 off was fucking hilarious.
To be fair to Hellmuth, Dwan checkback on the flop would have thrown me for a loop. After Phil calls the turn, particularly against Durr, he has to ready to call the river after the board bricks out. Nevertheless, I think this hand is just a lesson why not to play 97 in a 4 bet pot, because you end of in a bad situation about 99% of the time (having said that, I am still gonna do it).
Terrible Analysis on the river Doug. Tom jamming it against Hellmuth is perfect play. And Hellmuth is just the perfect person to do that against. Hellmuth's ego is too big and he hates it when younger poker players think they can bully him. That's why in this situation, Hellmuth is likely to call even though it's an easy fold.
He’s talking about a more long-term, mathematical approach. If Dwan isn’t playing these stakes all the time, it’s not bad to be exploitative in this one instance. But people at home shouldn’t be pulling this online at their regular tables, it’s -EV.
+12InchesUnBuffed Here's what it comes down to, if your opponents bluff rate isn't zero in this situation then your call rate with a small pair can't be zero, otherwise you give your opponent immunity to bluff the river every time, cause most of the time you haven't got it, it's an intentionally polarizing bet from Dwan, he either has the goods or he's bluffing, you just need to decide how often you are going to call in this spot.
But what you don't see is the long term effect this call does have, cause Hellmuth likely doesn't make such a light call against Dwan again for another 100 times this spot arises because he knows it's unlikely that Dwan will 3 barrel bluff him as often knowing he will face the possibiity of being called light, but also Hellmuth just needs to play his monsters in exactly the same way he played this hand and he will get paid off by hands like TPTK that might think Hellmuth is calling light.
Note calling here shouldn't be your go to play, only use it when up against people you are likely going to be playing a lot in the future. Make the light call, show it then tighten up and watch your monsters get paid off when you play them the same way.
@@timmtheilig6827 If you are only calling with top pair you are giving your opponent immunity to bet every time profitably.
Even if your opponent bets 2x the pot every time you need to call at least 1 in 3 times just to make that bet not profitable for your opponent to do so blindly. You will have top pair less often than 1 in 3 times.
If you are folding every time you don't have top pair or better then I invite you to my home game I'm going to just bet every hand cause I know you aren't calling unless you've got it, and as long as my bet sizing is in proportion to often you don't have it I'll make a shit ton of money from you.
I love how Phil berates hands that guys play then on the next video Phil is playing the same hand
Going all in on the river was genius.... Tom knew that if phil had a ten who wouldn't have snap called the turn the way he did......... He puts helmuth on a queen or a flush draw.
If it was the flush draw any bet wouldn't get helmuth to call really and if it's the queen might as well go all in on the hopes that helmuth really snap called cuzz he's frustrated.....
And he does look frustrated lolol. I guess you just gotta hope he doesn't have two queens.... but again...... if he did, then he wouldn't have snap called the turn.
I like Dwan's bet on the turn. Phil can certainly have hands like a 7 or a weak Q. He checked he flop and the 10 is not that good of a card, so it's highly unlikely he is going to bet if Dwan checks over to him.
So Dwan misses on a lot of value by not betting.
Doug, even though your analysis sometimes runs long, you always kill it with some kind of montage like the one at 11:08! I love you bro!
In this spot it was brilliant over bet shove. They had just had that heads up match and Tom knew Phil was after him and didn't want to get bluffed. The shove looked bluffy
Dwan clearly recognises that given his 4bet preflop, a Ten shouldnt be in his range, making him either have quads, Qs full or a bluff. Thereby his overbet shove looks like its often a bluff. Great bet !
I feel like Dwan def had a read Phil was going to station this hand. If 97o is in your opponent’s calling range obviously jamming JT prints.
I hate this guy saying its an easy fold, I mean third pair its a great hand in a 4-bet pot. Plus he blocks 77 and 99 fam. I bet this Doug guy is stuck playing 1$ sit&go´s.
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Tom representing a bluff on the end was perfect. Dwan isn't checking usually on the flop with a pair of 10's or Q's. So another 10 coming makes it less likely that he has a 10 and Helmuth's 7 is good. Especially with Dwan betting reasonably big on the turn.
I would love to know what range Tom is putting Phil on when he bets the river ?
AQ KQ and 99 make the most sense IMO
"Honey,he called with 10 Jack. He called with 10 Jack,honey."
I get that phill is world class player but most players wouldn’t even make the initial pre flop call on 9 7 off
Dwan always looks like he's a little afraid of something!😳
pretty sure i own all footage of the Jack of Hearts playing card. expect an email shortly.
glad to see you`re not set back by the drama.
+LLlap Gotta keep grinding
you sure you're allowed to show this hand? haha
Tom bluffs a lot, so the probability of Phil calling thin with a Q or 7 is way more likely than him having a better T or boat. Jam is perfect play given Tom's image, and given that tons of draws missed. The fold is only obvious if your opponent is super ABC and only shoves with the nuts and never bluffs, which is not the case with Tom.
From Dwans perspective I would have put helmuth on trying to trap him with aces or kings so I would have used the same line as Dwan only fearing queens full.
I have a question. when Tom checks the flop after 4-betting, isn't his hand kind of face up as JJ,99, pair of 10s or pair of 7s? I know it makes sense to check those hands but in general it really caps players' range. do people really check a set or an overpair on that board?not likely, especially since its fairly wet. do people check AK/ on that board? not likely, since its just giving up on a 30k pot after you 4-bet and it makes your 4-bets suck. the best hand I can see people checking in Tom's spot is QJs and the worst one is 76s while a bunch of draws bet.
As a novice player my first thought on the river shove by Dwan is Hellmuth seems to like to slow play AA KK post flop especially against aggressive players, With regards to value Doug didn't mention those as holding that might call, it seemed to me Hellmuth might take a similar line with those cards, what am I missing? Thanks!
Dwan has a huge history of playing junk or near junk. Hellmuth was probably banking on the 3 barrel bluff by Dwan instead of a hand.
hellmuth will ALWAYS be a target for durrrr; ever since phil tried to humiliate him and his play of 1010 vs. phil's AA at the heads up championship. durrrr doesn't show it but he's a little hot-head. if you insult him at the tables, he will try his best to run you over. (just ask bob safai). phil pretty much knew he was beat but he'd rather lose a huge pot than take a chance on getting his ego bluffed out on national television.
Hellmuth is clearly the best of all time. I mean, who of us hasn't donked off $120,000+ every now and then?
He's always trapping and just can't wait until he sticks Dwan for $200k...which we never see him do. Does all that trapping work if you lose 95% of the hands? xD
12:40 Eli is just worried about stacking bread
That's why I don't play crap cards like that. You always hit low or middle pair and get caught having to make tough decisions. 77 on that board looked really bad, can't believe he called all in
So the message of the lesson is not to call with shitty hands?
I think Doug doesn't take in count of toms tragedy of poker in general where he gets into people's heads and make them believe he'll bluff in a lot of spots. I know it's a vague statement but that's why tom was so good back in these days bc he knew how to play the typical high stakes live players back in the day.
I think you're wrong about the reason for the overbet on the river. Dwan knows that Phil wants to beat him badly. He knows that Phil wants to make a sick hero call. Plus, Dwan had 4-bet out of the blinds preflop and could have AK diamonds that missed. The overbet is a polarizer: "Either I have it or I don't". With the flop being so textured, a missed draw is very likely. I suppose if Dwan really had a big draw on the flop, he probably would've bet it, but since he is playing out of position and Phil had already raised Eli and then called Dwan's 4-bet, he could also have put him on a big hand as well and checked the flop instead. In the end, however, the overbet shove on the river is something that Dwan does a lot with bluffs or monsters. I think there is no question in his mind that he's good here, though, and he's relying on Phil trying make a hero call with garbage.
As I continued listening to you discuss the river after typing the above, I think we are both basically saying the same thing. Nice analysis. No matter how much you want to beat someone, though, you have to find the right spot. Phil just couldn't resist looking like a beast by hero calling against his nemesis.
Love the show, feel like I've been progressing alot. It would be great if you could add a graphic poker range matrix while you're talking about ranges!
Doug, I will tell you what Helmuth is thinking....he doesn't think Dwan would bet that big if he had a ten or if he had a queen either. Plus there is so many flush and straight draws out there.
Maria Jämsén But Durrr is kinda famous for his overbetted bluffs. everything is possible with him.
Tom is a cash player. Phil is not a cash player
@Doug Polk Poker By including Alec's footage, are you implying that there was "no strategy" in his calldown and he was just "sending a message that you can't target him"?
Is he saying at the end they made the hand up for the tv?
You guys need to stop with the hate on Doug declaring that a spot is a close decision. Poker is about solving the puzzle your opponent is creating, while creating one yourself. Sometimes, calling in a spot creates a good puzzle while missing out on value, and raising is great for value, but bad for your puzzle. When Doug says a spot is close, what he means is it that that specific decision isn't without sacrifice.
Not only do decisions run close in poker for the most part overall, the exact hands Doug decides to review are almost always really interesting and dynamic in nature, so decisions will be even closer on average.
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Thanks Doug, just a thought if You could mention how much they start the hand with would be nice to know, Over-bets are Fun for Everyone, Thanks take care and may the Run Good be with You . . . -D1G1TALFOX
BRO YOUR VIDEOS AND MONTAGES KEEP GETTING FUNNIER. i like watching your poker videos cause you put humor in them. even my girlfriend who knows little about poker finds you hilarious. keep it up doug.
Go's all in with pair 7's.....
This is shocking by hellmuth. Not surprised though he plays with emotion
Hahaha! You had to show your bluff at the Bike.
Hey Doug, love your analysis! Is there nothing to be said here for the fact that the larger bet sizing of Dwan on the turn and river indicate he's betting a polarized range? Hellmuth was clearly bluff-catching in this hand, and shouldn't he be correct to do that once the flop checks through and none of the draws (diamonds and the various straight draws, which he mostly does not block) complete? I agree that Hellmuth's mistake in this hand was clearly preflop - he should just fold to Elezra's open, and certainly to Dwan's 4bet - but once he gets to the flop couldn't it be argued that there is some merit to his play? I think this train of thought was in his mind once he says "I'm gonna look like an idiot if I'm wrong and a genius if I'm right."
Anyway thanks again for vid, I have learned a huge amount from all your analysis on UA-cam and various articles you wrote for Upswing.com. I was sorry to hear that you retired from poker but I remember you saying in one video that sometimes great players decide to amass a fortune and ride off into the sunset, and I guess that's what you decided to do. Would love to see you back one day and wish you all the best with your future endeavours!
- Sean
How in the world Phil won 15 WSOP bracelets with the way he just played with Tom... it’s doesn’t makes no sense !
Song Jyong Choi hahahahaha maybe in his era people dont know how to gamble,bluffing shit etc 🤣
Idiots from Northern Europe don't play the way Dwan plays
He called me with J HiGH! Amozing
I love how tom played the hand
damn u still salty about the torelli hand huh
Doug, at the end of this vid, you say, "Sometimes, seems a little bit too strange, if you ask me". What do you mean by this?
he's a "pro" and he got busted with 9-7... lesson of the day... DON'T BE THAT GUY!!!!
I assume dwan puts hellmuth on kk, aa, aqs at worst. the tight v the uber aggro. great to watch
Tom Dwan..no sunglasses, no hat, no hood, no nothing..just a zombie look to intimidate the hell out of you to make a bad call..but I didn't see a steaming Phil here, WTF//
what the hell is that coat Hellmuth is wearing. It's like he raided his dad's closet to go on late night poker
Where can I watch the original videos of these
The Daniel Negranu UA-cam ad on your videos are killing me
Doug Polk, would you argue that there is merit in discussing the K2/K10 hand where Dwan puts in a ton of money calling down Phil's bluff with bottom pair?
Love Music Interlude w/Alec Torelli in HoTY. You're at your best when you throw in the hijinks. Seriously, though...you see too many "Sharks", lock in to a clever pre-flop play. Hellmuth typically would never dive in with 9-7off, but he got cute with the pre-flop raise and NEVER reassessed...and it IS Tom Dwan, so half the time he's full of sh%t. Reminds me of another clown trying to make a "genius move" 3-betting 8-6suited pre-flop, and jamming the River with air....%#It Happens
After seeing several poker videos, I've come to the conclusion that there should be two additional rules poker should adopt:
1) A clock. There should be a time limit on how long you get to make a decision.
2) You touch the chips, you have to play them... either call or raise. Otherwise, leave the chips alone.
You can try that in your homegame. Also, tell Major League Baseball to have a pitch clock and ban gum, chew, and fidgeting by players during games. LOL
Doug, wasn't the original quote also from you, but delivered to A.Torelli after he called your bluff in that very hand just featured in that montage ? Pretty sure you said, then, "What are the chances that 8 - 6 runs into Jacks?" LOL! - my ALL-TIME favorite live comment immediately after losing a HUGE pot!