a DEATH OF THE ASSIST Video
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- Опубліковано 23 жов 2019
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This is the FInal scene and the largest case made in the feature "No Left" but since it covered so much interesting stuff I decided to release it on its own. Here are some of the topics you will hear about:
There is only ONE stat that is common for every single championship team. John Stockton may have been Russell Westbrook before russell was even born. Isiah Thomas was the only true point guard. Michael Jordan had no left, and didn't win until he developed one. Magic Johnson is a freak AND a freak. - Спорт
Anyone who dislikes this video: your mom averages 13 Assists per game
Lol
Dude that thumbnail is gold.
I was like is the wb?
Then I was like nah its stockton
Then I was like shiiiiiit that's gold right there
Stockton was a stat padder like Westbrook?
1)Westbrook has 18 FGAs while Stockton had only 9 FGAs
2)Stockton was one of the best defenders in the NBA while Westbrook doesn't even bother about playing defence. He is just waiting under the basket to get the defensive rebound.
3)So Magic was an outlier while Stockton reaching to the Finals twice wasn't?
The Utaz Jazz were such a great team that they reached to the NBA Finals. Twice. The only reason they lost was MICHAEL JORDAN. If Magic had to face 90's Bulls he would have also lost all finals just like he did in '91
For some reason you hate Stockton. Stockton was unlucky because he played the same era as Jordan did. Just like Ewing, Barkley, Malone, Reggie Miller, Kemp
@@BorbaFerreira Equating the 91 Lakers to the 80s Showtime Lakers is insane. Vlade Divac may have been as good in 91 as Jabbar was for Magic's final title in 88, but their defensive ace on the perimeter in Michael Cooper had retired, as had their defensive ace in the post in Michael Thompson. They weren't as deep. Magic was already on a slow decline himself after 87. The 96 record-breaking Bulls may have been better than any Celtics team in the 80s, although the 86 team has really strong argument. But then the 92 Bulls that won 67 games were about as great as the best Lakers team from Showtime, which I think was the 87 team. But the other 4 Bulls championship winning teams (including the 2 that beat the Jazz) were not as great as the best Lakers teams from the 80s. The 90s Bulls benefited a lot from expansion in 89 & then again in 96, diluting the competition, each paving the road to an ensuing 3-peat. If that same Bulls team came together in the early 80s instead of early 90s, pre-expansion, I feel that they would've won 3 championships instead of 6. As great as the Bulls defenses were, the 80s Lakers & Celtics had great defenses too, while the Bulls would've been a bit offensively challenged against some of those stacked rosters.
I wish I cared about anything in my life as much as the NBA storyteller cares about ruining the legacy of John Stockton
or keeping it a buck about his legacy
@@chrism8457 nope, this is just more dumb shit millennial stat geeks take out of context to feed their stupid ass millennial narratives! These are the people that have ruined the game of basketball
Armando De Los Santos well when he backs it up with the stats and facts, you really can’t say that dipshit lmao
@@JH-ij2nm no hes omitting more facts then he stating lmao John Stockton not only one of the best defensive ogs but hes one of the most efficient pgs ever in damn near every aspect and the most durable player ever
@@JH-ij2nm there's nothing to back up the claims this idiot is making, he's speculating on stats that some of us actually watched getting accumulated over the years, so we know the context in which they were collected! The stats are technically facts without context and the rest of the video is straight opinion
John Stockton: *exists*
Nba storyteller: "I'm about to end this mans whole career"
Not only him, all players who assist like him, like Harden and Westbrook.
what career?
@@TheTariqibnziyad not really Westbrook and harden because of they good af at scoring and shit...
Stockton should have taken more shots in his career. Even if he didn't, he should just be included in the outlier with Johnson.
The refs screwed over the Jazz in 1998. This was inevitable since the greatest basketball player who ever lived was retiring after the series. If that hadn't happened, Stockton would likely have a title and this video wouldn't exist.
Also, Westbrook !== Stockton. Westbrook is a stat padding ballhog with a punchable face.
@@TheTariqibnziyad They are not even close. Harden And Westbrook had all time high usage rates (Russ hit 40%!) meaning they used up a record number of possessions aka had the ball all the time, and in a modern league where pace is super high meaning more possessions per game. And even so they still couldn't touch Stockton's peak assist numbers. Stockton's usage was 18.9 for his career. He got all those assists on a low amount of possessions, meaning he made great passes and was a good decision maker.
Being a freak is what made magics career and also what ended it :S
Thats fuuucckkked up bruh 😂😂😂😂
Damn bro ... too funny !!
oof
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Come on mane 😭😭💀
Gets nominated for an award
*Uploads three days in a row*
Cam S lovin all the new content though haha
My explanation to all this: watch games and not statlines
This
Ricciardo right but it gets pretty time consuming
To his point about Stockton racking up assists: the Jazz didn't have any bench players that could pass like Stockton. The "distribution" is uneven cuz the Jazz couldn't get good role players to help Stockon and Malone.
@@theOnyFUFU which is why having a consistent supporting cast and NOT just having 2 all star players win championships.
@@shg45 No argument there. They needed a better bench around their 2 stars. If they were playing today, they would've put a bunch of 3-and-d guys/shooters around them. All I'm saying is that Stockton didn't have any other passers on his team; which is why his playoff numbers went up!
I love that the only exception to your argument is literally magic 😂
Magic had way better assist..
@@chukwu_9 See, this is bullshit. Stockton also had those.
@@kvltizt does he have a highlight worthy assist?
Butter Johnson does he have a title
@@JH-ij2nm did Stockton play with a whole starting lineup of Hall of famers?!
“John Stockton was a stat padder” I think is the most absurd basketball I have ever heard in my entire life. You’re blaming an entire basketball system on one single player. The Jazz general managers assembled a team, the coaches realized what they had and used it. Calling Stockton a “stat-padder” is just insulting to his legacy and insulting to all knowledgeable basketball fans. You defeated your own point that he was an “outdated” player.
Not a top 5 pg
i don't think he called him a stat padder, at least in the sense that he intentionally hogged the ball like russ. your stats can be inflated as a byproduct of being on a team that doesn't have enough talent around you. "stat padder" implies it's his fault, but you can be one without it being your fault. but the fact is that players like that are doomed to lose when it matters, making their stats empty
And, Russ, Harden, and....
😕 some players a have specific incentives like pts rebs assist in there contract BEN Simmons gets a bonus for triple doubles check his contract bro
His assists were bloated and there have been stories about that before. And it’s not like John was making very good passes. All of them were to a wide open Malone with a guy behind him so he could post up with the occasional behind the back pass or no look.
What’s your problem with John Stockton?
Wtf is going on with the thumbnail though? 🤢
Lol
So creepy
Moral of the story, don’t pass kids. Chuck threes till you can’t no more
In the game where Stockton recorded 28 assists, the Jazz team completed a total of eight dribbles while those assists were being recorded. So to some degree, an assist is partially a byproduct of playing with players who don't know how to put the ball on the floor and get their own shot, and also a byproduct of being the guy who holds the ball the longest on offense. The longer you hold the ball during a possession, the more likely it is that the guy you pass the ball to HAS to shoot the ball or risk a shot-clock violation.
Cough...Lebron...cough
Therefore: getting an assist is a diabolical psychopathic narcissistic trait?
@@100mphFastball Did you get that from his explanation? He simply stated the flaw in that system, whether it be by the sole player implementing it or coaching.
@@dgames8900 Well, essentially if you're consciously aware of what he's saying about holding the ball the longest, while intentionally holding the ball the longest. I'm not sure if he's implying Stockton did this purposely.
@@100mphFastball He probably did but that in itself doesnt matter. Its a flawed system. However you want to look at it, Stockton was the guy it involved so his reputation will be affected for the better or worse. Flawed system, whether it was him or coaching.
Im starting to believe this guy really hates Stockton for some reason.
He's exposing him
@@eduardoalegre9075 Exposing what? Stockton is still one of the best and most accomplished point guards in history. This guy is just talking shit for the sake of it. He is just a hater.
@@Akron162 you dont agree with the vid?
Ya think
@@kritav1111 Stockton's achieve is his assist total. But i don't see him in any highlights/top 10 assists highlight. Steals is a different level though. Even Jordan admits that John is very hard to shake or taunt.
NBA rules were really strict about hand placement when dribbling prior to the 90s
You were only allowed to have your hands on TOP of the ball, cradling the ball on its side was considered carrying, which is why you didn't see as many fancy handlers/passers.
Isiah Thomas?
Yall are naming singular individuals allowed to get away with breaking the rules, not unlile today.
Gio Tim Hardaway?
Just admit you’re full of shit! There was no rule against using your off hand in the 90s
@@MrBcam818 🙄
😂
Edit: I really suggest you reread my comment. I think you missed some things.
@@MrBcam818 no you're just a dumbass idiot
Um, Dr. J won two ABA championships during those 1st 11 years and was 32 when the Sixers got Malone.
NBA channel here
And D Wade won one in 06, putting up huge numbers. But he's a storyteller not a stat nerd
You say that the steals leaders isn’t a rogues gallery of all time greats. But then there’s Stockton, Kidd, Jordan, Payton, Pippen, Olajuwon, Drexler, Malone, CP3 and AI............
Dude besides points, steals are the most important part of basketball, period! The way he tried to diminish the steal just let me know ahead of time that this guy is full of shit
Armando De Los Santos To be fair steals and blocks are actually not necessary good defense. It leads to fastbreak opportunities which is actually the big positive about blocks and steals, but more than half of the blocks return to the opponent thus making steals mostly the only really important defensive stat.
I mean I rather have 2 guys in that paint that intimidate everybody into missing a shot and rebound than guys who gamble on steals and blocks.
I mean Adams has one of the highest defensive ratings in the league over the last 3 years of all centers(4th). However hes not in the top 15 of shot blocking centers.
However even the best offensive centers like Embidd can hardly score on him and I think thats more important.
Horford is another example.
@@Dotsetc whaaaat?!? It takes positioning, timing, and athleticism to record blocks and steals and everyone on the all time steals and blocks leaders list were outstanding defenders and were always in position to get the blocks or steals to get them their records! Olajuwon all time blocks leader and #8 all time in steals easily the greatest defensive player in basketball history just look up the videos called Attention to Detail Olajuwon and see how great of a defender he was. Jordan and Payton easily the two greatest defensive guards in history, Mookie Blaylock a lock down defender from baseline to baseline, everyone besides Iverson on the all time steals list were excellent on ball defenders! Stockton's steals were game changers and I'm sorry but Stockton having seasons of 17p, 13.6a, 3.2s, and only 3.8 turnovers a game is arguably one of the most efficient seasons in history! Stockton is easily a top 3-5 PG
@@armandodelossantos736 bro steals are the most slept on part of the game.
@@40savv45 for sure
You know what is insane? You didn't include two HUGE rule changes. The illegal defense and hand-check rules. When hand-checks were no longer allowed guys like Pistol Pete who were innovators in the past were either gone or well beyond their physical prime. The illegal defense laxity more free dribbling because no longer could you steer a defender to a side you wanted to defend him ( why Scottie Pippen was literally disarmed as a great defender when it was banned after Jordan retired and Bulls disbanded). Suddenly the no charge rules were put in place to allow a dribbler to attack the rim without consequence of an offensive foul.
It wasn't a lack of trying but a lack of imagination by the NBA, a lack of imagination which they have been desperately trying to reverse with more and more moves which were illegal in the past ( see the Iverson crossover; if the hand was anywhere near underneath the ball it was considered a discontinued dribble). I'm no big fan of Stockton he was just a guy who competed hard, but he was in fact limited by his era ( ball security era), an era which advanced cross-overs could result in idiotic discontinued dribble calls, an era where taking the shot you wanted was considered more efficient than the run and gun style played only 25 years prior. If you look at the advanced stats you realize Stockton didn't have 100 or even 75 possessions in the game, in fact, he was at one of the lowest pace of play in the league but still managed a ton of assists by dominating the ball, Meanwhile Ervin (Magic) Johnson created so many of his assists from the controlled chaos of a fast pace and thus higher possession numbers while Westbrook (the Ultimate stat padder) had both advantages and shattered all expectation by scoring as well as distributing.
See stats can lie, it takes the context and actual viewership to judge a player. Stockton was a great player, not because he was such an advanced dribbler or he was a competitor that took advantage of the rules in place. Much like the Pistons played a sort of illegal defense that became called much more later to help Jordan or how the Celtics played illegal defense ( 3 seconds) from the weak side daring officials to call it every possession or to shoot from deep, or how the Jordan Bulls took advantage of the illegal defense rules isolated the best athlete in the NBA in isolation against defenses prevented from playing zone against him, or the LA Lakers took advantage of the physical defense hiding Magic's deficiencies on that end while utilizing his passing to unlock Kareem. How the Lebron led Heat took advantage of shooting big men and softer rules which helped guys like Nowitski and Duncan while driving to the basket, how the Cavaliers took advantage of the defensive rules and bind Lebron put defenses in ( no rim deterrent= death by Lebron), or how the Warriors took advantage of how protected jump shooters and off-ball cutters became more protected than the past. Your entire thought process is flawed, as you fail to account for the rules of the era. Watch Isaiah's games, how many times he was called for traveling or carrying then, how many times he was called for fouls which would have been flagrant in the league today, how often he hand checked ( why so many players of that era had such great upper body strength for guards). So calling one style inferior depends on the rules of that era, not the players themselves as much.
Boom! Nail on the head my friend, I wish I had seen your comment before I commented myself
Great reply. it is an offensive game. As a product of the 60-70' game i just can't stand the constant " Greatest of all time:" comments. The accuracy and speed of his shot release Jerry West, the dominance of K.Jabbar and his skill given the physicalness of the defense was amazing. Stockton was great, Earl Monroe spin move with rarely turning his hand over. Great shooters today, great physical abilities BUT no defense, constant carrying of the ball, walking. its a much easier game to look great. In my opinion its a show not a game.
At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what bias you have against Stockton or the Assists stat in general, Stockton was an amazing player. He is the all time Assists and Steals leader. Look at all the players on the all-time Points scored leaderboard, same seasons played as those on the Assists board. What held Stockton back was not being more selfish and taking more shots. He took the Jazz to the playoffs 19 times. He tried everything he could to win, and the most success that he had was in his Assisting.
The "assist-only" hill is one I'm fine dying on
What do you mean?
@@T.H.E.O.R.Y. shoulda specified "assist distributions"***
@@CrazyKonaKai still don't get what you mean
@@T.H.E.O.R.Y. assist distribution is a key for overall team success
@@CrazyKonaKai Oh okay. Thanks.
It was literally illegal to do crossovers back in the 60s so that's why they dribbled like that.
Damn really?
@@well.thy.one. yep. Your hand had stay on top of the ball when dribbling or you would be called for palming
This is the dumbest comment I’ve read in a while. Congrats
@@HBK360MUSIC thanks man
HGC 4E lol I mean it’s comparable to saying curveballs weren’t allowed in the 60s, or jukes weren’t allowed in the nfl in the 60s. Carrying did get called much more often back then but so did every other violation. Didn’t mean It was literally illegal
Stockton never missed the playoffs in his career and made 2 finals with a limited team , Stockton was magnificent
Don't try to explain anything to these young idiots
Stop trying to explain shit
Carl Kelly it’s almost like he had Karl Malone and a all time great coach with him at all times
@@thebrodie3963 hmm i think coach sloan actually restricted Stockton constant pick n roll
Stockton with more freedom cudda been even better
Yes he had malone but look at his other teammates in finals very old hornecek and bunch of journeyman
@@footballbabybaby basically Lakers rn lol
YES, this is an excerpt from the feature length video "NO LEFT" but I really thought this final section stood on it's own very well and made a bunch of my favorite arguments succinctly . And most importantly, Thanks again people, you are genuinely THE best fans/partners/supporters I could have ever hoped for.
I like how you gave props to Isaiah Thomas he was probably the first "modern" point guard. I'm convinced that very few players from pre-1980 that were not physically enormous could play in today's NBA. Not only do I think Isaiah could but I think he'd still be a very good player.
First of all, the way you downplayed steals is one of the dumbest ways to keep a narrative that I've ever seen! Jordans on that list and retired 3 times. Olajuwon's the only center in the top 30 all time in steals, Mookie Blaylock didn't have an extra long career! And since you're trying to keep a narrative, a particularly millennial narrative, you need to include the entirety of how assists were originally measured, by assist to turnover ratio! It was supposed to measure how well you facilitate the ball to your teammates compared to how many times you turned the ball over! Stockton never won a ring for several reasons, and it usually came down to matchups!
And bringing up Magic's numbers to shit on Stockton without bringing up the fact that Magic played with 5 Hall of famer and an all time great coach and the all time leading scorer!
I wish I could dislike this video more than once
Unsubscribed from all this bullcrap. Couldnt even go 5mins in the Video. Basically what haters do is nitpick on players they dont like, John Stockton was a perenial All-Star in a league of giants.
Its a damn shame cause your actually a great storyteller but your page hating on an all-time great shows how little you know about the game as whole💯 Legends and Superstars and they all give Stockton his props. All this hate towards John Stockton makes this page 💩💩💩💩
Stockton was a gentleman. What do you expect.
Stockton was a dirty player
@@nathanlovik1753 how so
@@AlanNadeauIII He was notorious for throwing elbows.
@@nathanlovik1753 Yeah but so are a lot of players, its called getting leverage on the opponent.
Daily reminder that Stockton had no left
Wait... for real for real?
@@johngriller4997 he has a whole video on it
@@eghoseisiramen1892 problem is it's very easy to cherry pick clips and say "he has no left"
@@Aknight292 I guess
airplaneoverthesemen but stockon made a whole left hand lay up on mj lmao. It’s nonsense to say he had no left. You can say lebron has no left either but he definitely does. Every player in the league has a left. You won’t make it past the highschool level without the left
When you realise Lebron is averaging 10 assists this season and is one of the favourites, could he break the cycle?
Lebron averaged 8.5 assists in the playoffs
In all fairness to Stockton, he was inspired by Magic Johnson. Magic had captured the attention of the world with his assists. Laid a blueprint of a prototype point gaurd. After Magic, you were supposed to get 10+ assists.
This is a false premise, trying to insinuate that Stockton was a stat padder! This guy making the video is full of shit
A different game, I'm from that period. You were considered a good ball player if you made your team look good. Not dribbled around and took 30 foot shots. moving, cutting to the basket very different
this video doesn’t take into account for the changes in dribbling rules. in the beginning of basketball, you could only dribble with your palm facing down, and with minimal contact with the ball. the way players dribble now, would immediately be called a double dribble.
I am from that time period. Take a look at Earl Monroe, his spin move, never or rarely turned the ball over. Jerry West, huge hands, stopped on a dime and shot. He, along with others were great. I think the current NBA have great shooters, but there is largely no defense, constant use of the off hand to creaet space from the defensive player are fouls. The euro-step, Hardin step back, stepping after you turn the ball over, used to be discontinued dribble, walking. It all looks good and sells but it is no longer a game its a show. Biggest gripe is no way do these guys compare to Jabbar or so many others who were great within the strict rules. Thanks.
I think you should of gone into detail about how travels were called in the league pre IT. You weren't allowed to dribble creatively back then
Yeah, Magic was a slouch too throwing all those assists to the Murder's Row of Hall of Famers on the Lakers...
Just keep doing what you've always been great at man. Congrats on your nomination but also don't try to change too much because they nominated you for what they saw so just keep that up and stay true. Your content has always been awesome and I always knew something great would happen, just stay consistent and tell great nba stories, mr nba storyteller (:
You didn't watch the games, did you?
This is fantastic content, I hope you win that Streamy
You have to account the rarity of players averaging 10+ assists in the 1st place. Magic and Stockton are the only ones to average 10+ their whole career
It's the assist to turnover ratio that PG's used to be measured by! If you don't mention that ratio while discussing a PG than you're full of shit. Hence this guy making the video is full of shit
Idk how u do this. Such creativity and great editing. The delivery too is the icing on the cake. Incredible.
I must say these videos are worthy of a streamy award in my opinion
more like, a steamy award.
this is horseshit. disjointed narrative with little to no substance
I'm rewatching all your videos today! Best UA-camr on this damn thing!
My you have a keen eye for details, seriously see the game in a different light, mad props bruh !
Assists to turnovers and this whole video was bullshit!
This is a good argument for why the Jazz weren’t well equipped to win titles. However, that doubles as evidence that Stockton and Malone must have been really great to take the team all the way to the Bulls twice in a row. And saying things like “me me me” and “hiding from his weaknesses” just makes you sound like a butthurt geek.
Absolutely agree, Stockton and Malone were unstoppable. They had 2 good players who sometimes played great. But you cannot win championships that way.
This guy is the proof that he doesn't watch basketball, just cares about stats.
Sharp VD debunk what he said tho, is everything he not said facts? Stockton did win anything and did nothing of note besides assist
It's interesting to look at. True winners have a distribution of assist over their team. You can't be a one-trick pony and win.
@@outlawstarjoseph8064 oh I debunk this dumb shit easily! The stat used to be measured by assist to turnover ratio which showed how efficient a player is! The young punks of the last 19-25 years have been trying to get away from real basketball so that their favorite players like Iverson can be an argument for a top 10 PG
@@eduardoalegre9075 that's a bullshit narrative because he compared Stockton with one all star to Magic a starting lineup of Hall of Fame teammates and the all time leading scorer! The fact that this idiot tried to diminish the impact or the importance of the steal is a dead giveaway that this dude is full of shit
Armando De Los Santos To be fair he made better vids. This one isnt that great. Hes right about the fact that teams with more ball distribution generally win, but he uses false argumentation.
Just like one you stated that if you switched Magic and Stockton, the Lakers and Stockton wouldve at least had one chip too most likely. It was a starstudded team.
Also the fact that in untill the 80's virtually everything was or palming or a carry because dribbling like now was illegal.
Isaiah Thomas and even Iverson throughout the 90's received criticism about carrying the ball during crossovers just like Harden now for him challenging the travel rule.
10:00 - End is such a strong conclusion.
If you want you can put that point, "the great dying", on every position.
PG is the most evolved position but the domino effect on every other position following over the years is evident.
Though Paint 4's and 5's became Strech 4/5
D OR 3 wings became 3 & D wings
Rookies are beeing viewed as humans with feelings now
We have "Point-Centers"
This "great dying" actually opened the world up again.
No this is like watching the corpse of real basketball being puppeteered by the media
@@armandodelossantos736 then go watch fishing bruh, nobody forces you. You're free.
@@rgndsnali no bitch, I'm here to ridicule you
Ridicule deez nutz
I'm curious as to whether or not you've looked at any of Thinking Basketball's stuff on changes in officiating. He contends that the greatest changes to the rules was never officially codified and basically amounts to the ways in which traveling was called. Essentially, he argues that people doing stuff like crossovers, palming the ball, and even switching their dribbling hand used to be called traveling. Your video is interesting to view in this light.
Stephen Dedalus that could surely play a big part in the dribbling and movement advancements
If switching their dribbling hand was illegal, why was I taught with hand switching in early 80's? I wouldn't get a passing grade in that PE class until I was able to switch hand. Not trying to questioning you, just want to know. I am not that good at basketball anyway, just a casual fan.
I rarely reply to this stuff but played in NYC in the 60-70's. You could not turn your hand over, most of the dribbling in the NBA would be called carrying, turning the ball over. The Euro-walk, Hardins step back are walks under the rules I grew up under. Take a look at Jerry west, Calvin Muhy, Bird and others once you stopped the dribble you could not take another step and then shoot. It was called stopping on a dime and shooting. Much of what is in the NBA is catching th ball and takin a set up step, thats walking. The use of the off hand by the offensive playing pushing the person guarding him is an offensive foul. You cannot use your hand to creat space, as Jordan did sometimes. You want ot see a great play, look at what Jabbar did for years, 1986-90 Lakers.
I'd say you are right and wrong, I love the video don't get me wrong, but the problem is not having a high assist pg, it's being dependent on one guy to create for others, for example, a guy like wall is a 10 assist guy, not because it's about" him" creating for others, but because he HAS to create for others at that rate for the wizards. Just like with most other skills, if a team was dependent on one player to do 40% of their scoring, like stockton and the jazz with assists, they wouldn't win, that is depending on one player for 40 points at least, it's not about "assists don't matter as much as we thought" but the other way around, 10 assists are at least like 35% of a teams assists, can't remember many championship teams that won with a guy having to score 35+ points a game either, if we lower it to 8, that is around the same percentage of the teams production in assists to 28 points a game, I have seen a lot of teams win with 25-28 points a game from one player, and 7-8 assists from their best assist guy, just like assists can't all be coming from one guy, neither can points, or probably any other stat, the problem is most people understand with more scorers (wich is a good thing) ppg will be lower, and still credit 25-28 points per game guys as amazing scorers, but once a guy is in the 7 to 8 assist range he is no longer in the top passers discussion, a lot of great passers have lower assists in their most successfull years, not because assists are not a good measure of helping your team, but because our preception of "10 assists" is wrong, having 10 assists of 25 your team has, is like having 40 of your teams 100 points, much less those like wesbrook, 10 assists 5 to guys are like a guy that scores 40 points and shoots 33%, you are not going to win with that. And terms like 20 and 10 guy, makes a lot of people think 1 assist = 2 points in terms of distribuiton, when in reality, it's more like 1 assist = 4 points (again not in value, but dependence, based on a hypothetcial 100p 25a), most people would look at a 20p 5a guy as score first, when in truth that player is all around if you look at the percentage of his teams statistical production he is responsible for 20% of his teams points and assists, going by that, if 28 of 100 points of a team is a healthy ratio for a top scorer followed by a guy scoring 24, and a third one scoring 18, then 7 assists would be what you want your top passer to get, followed by 6, then 4,5 (the math may need adjusting). To summerize, anything over a 1 to 3 assist to point ratio is pass first, if a point guard is 20p and 7a, he is a pass first point guard. a 16p 10 assist player is unhealthhy for the offense, just the same as much as a 40p 4a one, and a good balence for a star player in general would be 24p 6a.
henrique miranda good thoughts
Thanks for another good one!!
Fantastic video as always
This was a great video man like straight up
Yo you took an idea from one of COJ videos and made AWESOME video!!! Can't say he doesn't watch him he gave him a shout-out in one of videos lol. You got the streamys in the bag bruh keep doing what you doing!!!
where have the uploads been? you're making some of the best basketball content on UA-cam and i miss seeing you in my sub box
Yo, is there anyway we can vote for you for the shorty’s?
Who else was a playmaker on that OKC roster besides Westbrook dawg
That guy with a yellow-patch hair.
That's the same scenario with Stockton, this guy making the video is full of shit
@@eduardoalegre9075 Schroeder wasnt there Westbrooks MVP season he came when PG and Melo got there the season after
@@websterrollack3820 for me,whoever is your personel it boils down to coaching,system and culture. Sadly,OKC never had a great coach to utilize its talents.
@@eduardoalegre9075 dude you don't know shit STFU
Never knew that a PG with over 10 assists (other than Magic) never won a ring... very informative video.
On a side note, in reference to Malone, I'd love to see an in-depth video on why nobody ever talks about how he raped a 13 year old, got her pregnant, then never took care of the kid. Imagine if that happened TODAY.
Rusty Buckets made a video about it
I'm here after LeBron got a ring averaging 10 assist per game. In the regular season
He averaged like 9 in the playoffs and rondo averaged about 7 and AD about 4. So a good distribution.
These NBA storytelling dudes just can't accept the JS accomplished so much while not being flashy. they'd pick any showboater who flatters to deceive over a legend like JS
2:00 - You must be including Julius Erving’s scoring numbers from his time in the ABA, which nullifies your argument that he had to have reduced stats in order to win due to the fact that he won not one but two championships in the ABA (1974, 1976). He averaged a combined 33.4 points per game in those two ABA Finals series.
Dude he misrepresented so many things on this video just to keep his bullshit narrative
Ah, so John wouldn't get so many assists without Malone. Right, and if they could get another all-star on the team, he would have had even more assists. He was an excellent passer, it's not his fault a passer requires a person to actually catch the ball and do something useful with it.
Do you reckon malone would have won a chip with a kenny smith type pg instead of Stockton, like hakeem did? Would hakeem struggle with Stockton? Furthermore is a large assist average bad for winning or just a by product of bad teamates who cant create their own shot.
Interesting topic. The answer to your last question is probably "both." A sky-high assist average probably means either 1) One guy is holding the ball far too much, and/or 2) The other players on the team may be skilled shooters but lack the ability to put the ball on the floor. If the assist average is WAY too high, it probably means both.
@@iandouglass7135 has their been any player in the nba that hogged the ball that also played with teammates that could put the ball on the floor and score? I feel like in your answer, 1) is only possible if 2) is also happening, in that case hes not really holding on to the ball "too much" and he's just doing what his team needs him to do and if a team is in that predicament, they arent good enough to win
This was very deep .. want more
although players back in the 70s-80s weren’t as skilled as they are today the reason they didn’t dribble like the ones today wasn’t because of a lack of innovation but because carry/traveling rules were very strict back then so you always had to keep your palm parallel with the floor when dribbling
these rules made it almost impossible to create space with dribble moves against a defender as you had less control of the ball. nowadays it almost seems like players almost have their palms under the ball when they’re dribbling and thus they have much more control over the ball. this technique can be seen a lot in guards like isaiah thomas from the celtics and kyrie as well.
trying to do a crossover like kyrie in the 70s would’ve been an easy travel call for the refs
Come on you don’t seem to accept that the low post game was what basketball was all about in those years.
this is amazing
If you're a weak minded sycophant
love this video。 Learn something new today。
His assists are more of an assist then Lebron passing it to Danny Green, Green pump faking a 3, taking 2 dribbles into the lane and Lebron being awarded an assist. What players today get as assists are no more absurd then what Stockton was doing in Utah's offense.
Yeah but none of these chumps can run the fast break as well as Stockton could
Armando De Los Santos This guys infatuation with Stockton is weird.
@@chitownkidd33 they need to realize that if players like Stockton and Bird were gifted with great athleticism also, they would've wreaked even more havoc on the league in it's Golden age
Yo what's up with the random audio effects to distort the voice
This man is really going after Stockton like this?! Dang!
What's Magics record against Isiah Tim Hardaway and such.. do you really think Ben Simmons would win against him ..
John Stockton’s game was not built on flash, it was built on flame. He played simply.
You’re the crossover of NBA YT. Ahead of your time and under appreciated.
Why Harden and Westbrook will remain ringless
Isiah Thomas is easily the second best PG all time behind magic. Stockton barely scratches the top 5
Isiah Thomas is worse than Isaiah thomas
you're wrong and here's why, it's not players faults they don't have players on their team that know how to pass and you're forgetting the level of talent, some of these players get high assist because their the only (one of the few) player on their team that can get their shot so they get clogged lanes, double teams, etc
Facts!
The thumbnail edit of russ + stockton somehow ended up looking like prince 😂
This had me thinking about magic Johnson’s career all day
I like how generally stats aren't important at all. Unless it's for extensive correlation (like he did for all championship winners) and not side by side player comparisons
Lebron broke this rule this year
I think this guy really loves Stockton, I don’t think he would ever admit it though
I think you should watch Gary Payton's interviews about his toughest matchup. Spoiler alert: it's Stockton (not MJ). Also, look up what Stockton's contemporaries thought of him.
Bro, this new thumbnail, which I assume is a face mash of Stockton and Westbrook, looks eerily a whole hell of a lot like the late, great guitar God/Prince/symbol.
Yay! A new one!
Very good job !!!! An attack on the 80s with love for the 80s most hated, the Pistons !!!!!
These videos are SLICK. How do you not have more subs?
This is needlessly depressive I don’t understand the tone whatsoever 😂😂
The best part of these Stockton videos is watching the joke fly over the comments heads.
How this go from a video about assist to the bad boy pistons
Video shouldve been 3 minutes, you talking about a lot of nothing...basically you saying high assists is overrated and use Stockton as the poster child so you tried to simplify his career,doing that you omitted everything he do well. Stockton one of the most efficient, effective pgs of all time. One of the best defenders at the position. All that and you saying he overrated because he didn't have a left hand and got too much assist. Video lame asf.
Yo shout out to youtubes recommendation algorithm
It seems you have uploaded the same video 3rd time
Why is points responsible for (Pts + Ast Pts) not a mainstream stat?
The idea that you called John Stockton a selfish stat grabbing player really, displays your ignorance of anything but stats. You clearly, have not done your homework on the player and his character or even the game employed by Jerry Sloan. Your discussion is provocative, but your overall research terribly flawed.
Thank you bro! At least some people are catching on to this non basketball playing phony!! He literally tried to overlook Stockton's all time steals record by downplaying the importance of steals in the NBA
Amen!
petition to rename to "The NBA Stockton Roaster"
One of the reasons Bron loses more finals than he wins. He is so talented that he still wins but his style of play is flawed. Dominating the ball all the time and passing it to guys who will only shoot because they are not allowed to stuff the paint. He needs the space for his scoring. If Bron would move more off the ball and also the ball itself (not only looking for the direct assist or score but also hockey assists, pass and move etc.) his stats would suffer but he would win more and people would perceive his teammates not as bums that can't do nothing. LeBron helps shooters but everyone else he makes worse. It could change this year with AD tho.. let's wait
But that's not what Stockton did!! Stockton distributed assists to anybody and everybody that was open! Watching Stockton run a fast break was like watching an art form
Gets better each time you watch it.
Only three players ever led the league in assists AND won the NBA title the same year: Bob Cousy, Jerry West and Magic Johnson. The two years the Jazz made the Finals, even if they'd won, Stockton would not have altered this, because he did not lead the league in assists (for the first time in a long time) in either of those two seasons. With that in mind, it's practically a curse to have the league assist leader in on your team. It's almost a telltale sign that you're not going to win.
Man, you should win the UA-cam award
Amazing
Please make more videos ...
Stockton is the NBA All time leader in assists and All time leader in steals BY FAR
john stockton gonna be out of the HOF if this keeps up
Only in stupid ass ignorant little kids minds
@@armandodelossantos736 YOUR mad your era was a joke
@@pinkyellow1able 8 of the all time top 10 scorers are from the 80's and 90's, 10 of the all time top 20 rebounds leaders are from the 80's and 90's, 13 of the all time steals leaders are from the 80's including Jordan, Stockton, Alvin Robertson, and Olajuwon who were all drafted in 84' lmao the 80's and 90's had the most athletic 2 way players in NBA history, 3 of the 4 players that ever recorded a quadruple double were Olajuwon, Robertson, and David Robinson from that era. Only 4 players ever won MVP and DPOY in their careers, David Robinson, Kevin Garnett, Jordan and Olajuwon. Only 2 players ever won MVP and DPOY in the same season, Jordan and Olajuwon. Only one player ever won MVP, DPOY, and Finals MVP while winning a ring with zero all stars and that's Olajuwon. You children don't even know what basketball is
Damn this is really good. A few comments, Magic was still too future even for this era. Still the most innovative passer I've ever seen on the break. I may give it to Steve Nash in the half court though. Secondly the problem with these great dribblers except Isiah and Curry who are balanced with it, is the same with overly high assist men. It discourages distribution and creates stagnation. See Kyrie who ruined what Boston had, and is currently canceling out what made the Nets, the new Nets. So it doesn't equal more winning, just more show.
Even in 2019 Kyle Lowry averaged 8.7 assists, close but still below 9. And 34% of the team's assist total, and the next four players had 4.8, 3.9, 3.3, and 3.1 assists. So this video and your rule still holds up
No jackass it just proves once again that Stockton had to play thru much, tougher competition that would laugh in the raptors faces
@@armandodelossantos736 you gotta chill my man... the point here isn't even that last year's sixers and bucks were really tough teams that will probably both win rings in the next few years, its that yet another year holds up the same pattern TNBAST has found held for decades. he said a title-winning team hasnt had one player with 9+ assists or an a huge gap between the top and 2nd top assister. his rule held for one more year. its not an opinion on who's good or bad, its just a fact that his rule applied again. what you mad at me for lol
@@za5528 like I said unless you include context it's just speculating on stats
@@armandodelossantos736 this whole video is literally context. from the entire history of the nba. with examples and a theory and explanations. literally this whole video is nothing but context
@@za5528 no it isn't in context WTF you talking about?! There's more footage of lists of assist leaders, no game footage, no analysis of the competition of each championship team, no breakdown of guards on the Jazz compared to other teams, no context on the teammates that played with the jazz compared to those other teams! The only thing that was factual about this video was the stats, but the rest of it is literally just a story based off his interpretation of how those assists were accumulated! He didn't mention that Magic's Lakers were called the Showtime Lakers cuz they ran teams out the building with their fast break offenses and multiple guards and forwards that could finish in traffic! There's so many factors that he didn't think about or just completely ignored just so this video wouldn't be complete bullshit
so then discredit cp3, lebron, james harden, lance stephenson (not that we credit him) but you get the idea
Flacko what exactly do they need to be discredited for. All of those players have actually proven to be great passers and the Cp3 and LBJ are the only two considered to be on Stocktons level or higher there, despite if you break down their games honestly Lance Stephenson might be better. Like really think about this, how many things in the game of basketball is Stockton better then Stephenson at?
new point. good!