Xbox Series X Back-Compat: Red Dead Redemption 2, Ark, Just Cause 3, Assetto Corsa Competizione!
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
- One last look at Series X backwards compatibility vs Xbox One X across a range of demanding games. Just how much more performance are we getting - and can some of Xbox's worst performing titles get whipped into shape by the Zen 2 CPU architecture and 12 TFLOPs of GPU compute?
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It's reassuring to see that even on next-gen hardware, Ark is a terrible game.
I actually downloaded that game last night, all 112GB of it, and uninstalled it within 15 mins. Horrendous.
This is all filler content from DF.....I knew it when I saw the title....and timing considering all the Playstation news this morning and yesterday..LOL
@@Lewdicrous Same I downloaded on gamepass a few days ago and 5 mins after i deleted worst gaming experience ever ..My PC was a chugging
It has it's moment's. But yes the coding for it is below standards. But it is a low budget studio that developed it
@@chrisbullock6477 these titles just got added to back compat, so DF made a video since there's interest in it. What's with the weakass conspiracy theories?
the dream has finally come true, Just cause 3 running at a stable 30fps
@@DeadPhoenix86DP maybe 60 but the game was not built for new architecture
All those particles and explosions are heavy on any cpu. Not even a Beast pc can do better than 60 frames for Just Cause
I actually haven't even finished the second mission in JC3 because I couldn't look at the performance on the PS4 Pro xD
🤣😂
This was the worst running game I played on a PS4 by far.
The sad thing about the Batman games is that since they're running on Unreal Engine, it's literally just one number in a config file to change the framerate cap with no negative side affects. But WB can't be bothered.
All they have to do is grant permission to Microsoft and they can do FPS boost.
Jah 45 frame az an option is fine, but there should be a toggle for capping it …. Is it fixed by now ?
Even worse is that there are so many games trapped at 900pthat would easily be moved to 1080p with no performance hit, but better upscaling. And it would be the same simple kind of config adjustment. I get that studios wouldn't want to rigorously test native 2K or 4K performance throughout a game, but just enabling 1080p would be effortless.
Funny thing is the 1.0 code for City actually has no fps cap. The game came out later than PS4 for Xbox so if you want 60 fps on city you need an un-updated PS4 version
Good to know that even on a Series X, Ark still runs like a man with no legs.
Haha, yeah I think anyone could of guessed that it would still run like shit on next gen consoles.
People still play Ark?
Ark doesnt run on anything
Blame devs
Hahahahahah
The fact that I’m going from an original Xbox one to a series x has me so excited for the difference that I know I’ll be experiencing. I finally get to utilize the 4k tv that I have had for years now
I have a One X and THAT was a huge leap. Going from a ONE to a Series X you're gonna shit your pants!!
@@AH20XX 😂😂
Same here!! Going from 900-1080p straight to 4k!!
@@raptordcuo6879 I think the original Xbox one runs at 720p for a lot of games. Let’s just say it’s going to be a big improvement😂
You will notice a big difference. Playing game at 60fps will probably be the most impressive thing. When I built my first PC playing at high fps was like night and day, no crappy motion blur needed.
My brain just can't comprehend Just Cause 3 not having frame drops every time an explosion happens
It's twenty twenty.... It's a bit overdue I think.
i was going to make a snarky comment about pc having this for years but the new consoles are better than my pc
Here is the dude telling you that pc had this for years lol
This is an example of the specific reason I bought a Series X - plenty of games I want to play at PROPER FRAME RATES - now I finally can.
@@fwabble and why didn't you just choose a pc to have this experience like 5 years ago?
You guys are an asset in gaming analysis for us average consumers. Appreciate your insights. 👍
😂😂😂
@@billpogi23 I know what console you own 😂
You should check nx gamer and battlenonse if you haven't
Average Xbox consumers*
@@icarus9980 hey its not their fault Sony is shy giving consoles to tech experts.
I'm almost certain Red Dead 2 will get a next gen remaster, hopefully running at 60fps
Edit: assuming it has the same or just slightly better than the quality settings as current gen, 60fps is very possible, maybe not if they crank up the quality settings then maybe 30fps is the best they can do, we'll see what they end up doing
Good luck very hard to do even on 2080ti but should be easy good as they did on one x
hopefully with smart delivery, don't want to buy the game a second time
@@senor.molina sorry to disappoint but R* will make you pay again
A remaster??
I wouldn't be too certain, R* haven't done much in the past to give confidence in this.
Expectation: Next-gen will achieve 4k 60fps.
DF: Old games at 30fps is a Christmas miracle!
Well, Just Cause 3 can be considered the 7th gen Crysis, and not because it is beautiful, but because it has a terrible record of huge frame drops even on top tier PCs
@@andrewcruz3656 well 3090 gets over 100 4k sooo
@@ollierobinson2956 Yeah, a GPU whose value is worth two Series X's, lol. The main point of every new gen console is the balance between cost and performance, and for now they clearly have the advantage in this matter. And by top tier PCs, i'm referring to the previous RTX gen
Actually 3 series x s lol
@@bokchoy5898 Didn't remember it was that expensive, holy shit lmao
I absolutely adore and love the amount of effort Microsoft has put into backwards compatibility, sometimes you have a itch to jump back into a older game and it’s great to know that not only will they play better, but they’ll look and have added features as well. Can’t wait for the Series X to come out already, really looking forward for more Ps5 content to come out soon hopefully!
Edit: btw please don’t start any fights in the comments, to many times y’all can’t behave in regards to what piece of plastic is better.
Sony fans saying all they care about is new games , there's only so many new games out at a time plus the cost of them , after a week or two of them playing a game like spiderman they ll move on and then be stuck what to play other then old games , but yet with xbox all these back compat titles running so much better and the whole catalogue coming over is just so good 👍
@@sean7332 Wait but the PS5 runs every ps4 game bar 4 shitty ones and 2 niche okay ones, what do you mean?
It just seems to me like the series x is getting way more attention than ps5. Wait till it releases...
yea can't wait to play OLD ASS games I've already beaten on the series x. tehehe.
@@madanevs yeah I'm xbox player and on behalf of the fanboy i apologize. PS5 have backwards compatibility also
I'm coming from a One S, so the leap is going to be huge. And, I'm getting a 4K early next year. Console and TV generation combo leap is going to be sweet!
Why would u game on a tv instead of a monitor??
@@corn2167 why wud you ask that question for?
Thas the problem now.... stay outta his pockets....
@@corn2167 What 43 or 50 inch 4K HDR monitor would reccommend? My budget is $600 or around €500.
I don't need 120fps.
Lol, I'm upgrading from an original xbox one. It's going to be even better for me.
@@quirkypurple a good TCL tv as they are known for the smallest input lag and best prices. Samsung and other tvs are just too Overpriced cause of the brand.
Can’t believe nobody has done Jedi fallen order yet that game doesn’t run at a remotely stable 60 on Xbox one x
Jez shown it on his twitter when they first got the console, runs smooth 60
Finally gonna play that game now. Jeff grub showed it and it was really smooth
they havent shown alot of games.. I have a feeling those games need patches.
Not only that but the load times in that game were brutal. Everytime you died it took about 2 solid minutes to reload
Yeah it's PITITFUL for 2020
It still amazes me how slow this channel grows when they put out the best content for gaming reviews and analysis
most jackas don't sub.. i had nearly 100,000 view and only 100 sub.. yeah.. that why i don't care about what i made...
Not now tho. Especially with the console wars going on, digital foundry has gained like 20 thousand subs now in about a week. That isn't bad.
Ngl I had forgotten to subscribe
"... they put the best content for gaming reviews and analysis".
Actually, they don't. The quality of their work is very much dependant on who is behind said reviews and analyses, which on its own repulses potential subscribers. And while they indeed have high-quality content every now and then, much more often it is mediocre at best.
11:26 That low-key "VOLFHEN-SHHTEIN" near the end.
As a German, I can say that he pronounced it absolutely correctly.
@@DerFabian1997 As a non-German who appreciates comedy gold, I can say that I wholeheartedly agree.
@@elcapitan008 he does it because of Alex (a German), right?
@@KizaruB Yes, Alex pronounces it in a distinctly German way and sometimes the rest of the DF Crew poke a little fun at him for it. I for one like that he's committed to adding a bit of German to his presenter style.
whenever they do this, always gives me a good giggle
What I really like, aside from the performance, is the image quality looking so much crisper. It's like putting glasses or contacts on/in and really getting to appreciate the detail.
Background music:
Bjørn Lynne - New Tech Haven
@123 At least 28 people.
K m9
@123 yeah just cause you don’t doesn’t mean others don’t
@@TheIshikawaRin now 72
So if anyone DOES care, Bjorn did a whole load of kickass Amiga music for Team17 back in the day. The Alien Breed 3D CD32 OST is a personal favourite
Thank you for analyzing Evil Within 2! Definitely plan on playing through this one again on Series X!
Next recommendations: Resident Evil 3 (Pre-Patch) , Redout
The way he pronounced "wolfenstein" was EPIC lol
It's nothing new though..
Its because thats how Alex pronounces it.
And its the correct pronounciation haha
no it is not the right way to pronounce it! He got the stein part right but not the wolfen part
I thought his little dorky laugh afterwards was more epic
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God I hope this reduces the amount of remasters that release
Oh no because next they will offer remastered with ray tracing
@@FrontLineMarine84 NNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I love remasters and remakes they are fun to go back to also i like the back compatibility alot too i still play games now that run like crap that i wanna try on series x
@@x-coin6740 While I agree, they just hamper the release of new games by the developer doing the remaster
@@x-coin6740 I like remasters and remakes but those games need to be at least an entire generation old, like Demon Souls is, but Spiderman not so much, just 60fps and further car and crowd rendering distances and its good for me.
First thing I'm doing when I get series x is replaying Halo 3, then red dead 2, then DOOM eternal. Then playing watchdogs legion, cyberpunk, Crash bandicoot, battletaods, AC etc... what I'm looking forward too the most is hellblade 2 but that might come out late 2021
Yeah retrying your favorite games with a new graphics card on pc is the same way. So fun to see how much better they run.
Why red dead 2 doom run exactly same as one x
@@djbpresents9584 I have the OG xbox one why tf would I get a one x
I'm replying GEARS 5, COD Modern warfare! Well I've actually not finished them yet! It will keep me busy till PS5 comes 19th November. 👍 Great Gaming this November. Cyberpunk 2077 aswel. Looks cool.
@Ragnos TLDR... did you really expect anyone to read any of that as if someone actually cares about your opinion online? 😐 also u idiot I have a PS4 and miles Morales is coming to it... demon souls is trash I'd rather play cyberpunk and and Watch dogs thank you very much
Evil within 2 man... that game is criminally unappreciated.
convinced my friend to buy it and he hated it, some people just hate good things
Yes
indeed petty the engine it uses is kinda shit, for reference it doesn't fully utilise any GPU properly lol
@@CoCo.-_- Same engine as the first game used and same problems lol. Thank god its still a great series
@@bootmanbill6973 They just don't understand. And the only they need is better graphics. They don't give a fuck about the story!
@Digital Foundry Do you think you guys could test the latency difference between XBSX backward compatible titles and their original version on XB1X. Thank you.
That would definitely be interesting
FYI, we already have some of those numbers AFAIK, but I can't wait to see more.
xbox one and x/s using same disc.... it will basically xbox one box.. and had x sticker on it... just got to see watchdog xbox disc and it just show like that... so ps5 is a ripoff...
Yeah. Doesn't the series X have a technology to reduce latency in games?
This is one of the few times that you hope that your favorite games were terribly optimized or possibly just overly ambitious
Nah, Panzer Dragoon Orta was well optimized back then AND on gen1 backcompat . . . and I'll be playing that one again for the HDR!
@@rowanunderwood that's a good reason to go back and play too, but wouldn't it be even better if it just happened to get 50 percent better frame rate too?
xbox one and x/s using same disc.... it will basically xbox one box.. and had x sticker on it...
@@campkira could you please say that in a way that is understandable to the general public
Cole Warner I believe what he meant was how the Series X won’t perform any better than a One.
Thanks for testing just cause 3, it's time to finally finish playing that game!
Really disappointed RDR2 still runs at 30fps, hopefully a official patch makes it 60.
Rtx 2080 ti can't even run rdr2 on 4k60
Probably cause they try setting all the graphics options on high or near max which severely tanks your fps even on a Nasa computer. Volumetric Fog and some other options i cant remember, you have to have em on medium or on low for you to run the game at 100fps on a good gaming pc like mine. Hardware Unboxed has a video on it. Im not surprised Series X can’t handle it at 60fps.
@@kevinhard2473 - At X1X settings, the Series X should be able to run RDR2 at or close to 60fps most of the time like other titles.
@@AnalogFoundry i think you're right
@@kevinhard2473 yup I remember some UA-camrs talking about RDR2 hard to run at max 4k60 with 2080ti.
If a game was locked at 30fps on last Gen it can't magically become 60fps, idk why people don't understand this
Fallout 4 waves a hand.
The Xbox back compat team have been able to do some impressive wizardry. Yes most caps can’t be bypassed but it seems some can. Again Fallout 4 has gone from 30fps with a cap to 60fps on Series X.
@@MythicMarty do you think that has something to do with Microsoft owning the fallout series though?
@@user-gy4co8ss6f yes its 100%
Consoles are basically PCs nowadays and PC has unlocked framerate so I cant see why Series X couldn't.
@@user-gy4co8ss6f back compat team has figured out a way to double the framerate of selected older games without touching game code. You should know that by now.
I feel like Microsoft held back on Scarlett/One X to make the generational jump more impressive.
When I grow up, I want to be like Rich Leadbetter. I'm 34.
>when i grow up
>34 years old
A comedian I see
RIP SERIES X
How old is Rich anyway
@@leonthesleepy 40 but he looks like in the 60's
@@darkknight2864 I mean as soon as Kojima left Konami he aged about 20 years. RIchard is 24 just a life of hard drinking, partying & being a hellraiser aged him
Just cause 3 running well, brings tears to my eyes
30 fps is not what i call running well for a next gen console
@@xsawra6333 then talk to the developers dont blame it on the console
@EMagnificent Clown.
Just cause running 60 frames, leaves me 🤤
@@p-dot2595 Mind you a lot of these games can’t hit native 60 FPS because they weren’t originally made for it or the game has its mechanics tied to its frame rate
I'd love you to see how the Series X deals with X-Com 2. This was a particularly demanding game, even on XB-X with its frame rate and loading times.
Ark Is just so poorly optimized when it launched on Xbox one it was like 5-15 fps not exaggerating. It wasn't even playable
I can't wait to get my hands on the Series X.
@Awaken dont even bother with those type of people. They are desperately craving the attention they didnt get as children.
@Ragnos He said he was buying a Series X, not a PS5.
@Rowen Thomas lmao he probably is but just wait he’ll say he has both consoles, a pc, and a 4K tv
Like i agree. For example i dislike/hate Nintendo BUT i NEVER commented on ANYTHING Nintendo related whether it be positive or negative from whichever youtuber....i just ignore it and move on. Like all these weirdos WANT the whole world to know that they dont like a console...like get the fuck outta here!!!! You couldve easily NOT typed. This goes for ALL fanboys of Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo or PC. Dont get me wrong people are entitled to their opinion but if you not backing it up with useful facts and open minded convos then shut the hell up.
@@mosescharles people just have this mentality of “the piece of plastic I own is end all be all” so fanboys rather they be from Microsoft, Sony, or Nintendo tend to be cringe and mindlessly support the console
I'm so happy the Xbox series X is so powerful. I cannot wait to play Sekiro and Evil Within 2 at 60 frames. Really hope they enhance the first evil within as it's only 900p and MS bought Bethesda.
Would be great if the back compat team put in some extra work for Bethesda titles that have framerate caps etc. Such as the Dishonored series, Prey and even Wet (if they make it compatible).
I can’t wait to see the Series X vs Series S comparisons
Series X vs PS5 it is
@@becerra5872 nope, ps5 is way better than x and s
You'll gonna be disappointed by how weak the series s will run multiplat games.
Bro the x and the s is the same x on 4k and s on 2k the same framrates but 2k and 4k
@@billpogi23 good joke :p
Damn rainbow six runs over 125fps, thats awesome
Honestly it could prolly run higher
It runs so high because the character moves so slow. Show me Call of Duty at 120 frames on Xbox Series X, then we have 🎂
@@Keepskatin this is a pre patch version that’s not optimized for the series x and call of duty is ass
@@Keepskatin no
I get 400+ fps on my rig 😂 game isn’t impressive at all and is easy to run....
Your videos are awesome, very informative. You are a wealth of information. One suggestion though, when you are showing a game benchmark comparison, maybe you could put the name of the game of screen. A couple times I missed you saying the name and never saw the game before. Keep up the good work!!!
Yup I agree, either this or put timeskips in the video description with attached game names to them. Would really help cause I still missed like 3 title names
Its amazing to see how this generation is shaping up to be WAY before the actual systems are available for purchase!
Next up Xbox and steam partnership, maybe for XBOX VR? Digital F. On the money all the time
@@sb5253 Someone underestimates what it means to have 1 trillion dollars lmao.
@@sb5253 have you seen the hints
that could be a thing seeing as gabe is positive about the series x
Phil Spencer said last year that "nobody is asking for VR". Although they made Minecraft for PSVR after that so who knows.
I have my doubts about steam coming to xbox. Maybe it's because I don't know much about business and i find it difficult for valve to lock multiplayer behind a paywall since they're free on pc: Besides, steamstore and msstore would compete against one another in the same platform.
Can't wait for my SX!
Never ever incel
@@halinanowak781 shut up simp
@@halinanowak781
Omg you said buzzword wow you just owned that guy epic style
@Ragnos ok,fanboy
@Ragnos lol.
The whole Arkham series DESPERATELY needs some Series X love, there’s no reason why they can’t all run at a solid 1080/60fps at least
Why is everyone avoiding Metro Exodus.....that's the real test of next gen consoles
They're allowed access to only a number of titles, Metro Exodus is more than likely not available to download on Series X at the moment. Nothing insidious, just Microsoft letting batches of games out at a time.
Probably not allowed to. Console is still under NDA
Money
Mainly because everyone, including the developers, wants to forget that abomination. Open World Metro? Please, never again.
@@Javier-yd5qf ?
can't wait to finally play fallout 3 at REAL FULL 10FPS
New Vegas with a 60fps patch is the dream
Can't wait to play Mass Effect finally at 30 frames locked 😢
@@KizaruB I played new Vegas with a shit of mods 4k maxed out at 120fps earlier today lol pc master race
@@yaboirichard591 I beat it on pc recently as well. Level 50 and all the DLC. Some of the best gameplay I’ve ever enjoyed. I’m just saying that I sometimes prefer to play on console. Also, I thought 120fps breaks old Bethesda games?
@@KizaruB it sorta does because you move slightly faster but I downloaded a mod to fix it
When did 'after' switch to the left it's so confusing.
It would be nice to see more games on console offer an option to simply cap the framerate at 60 or unlock it completely (provided that doesn't break aspects of the game). I can't really see it taking up much dev time at all, it's not like they need to develop and optimize a new mode. Just let players change the fps cap if they want. Sure, that mode will probably be a stuttery judder-filled mess at launch, and very very few people would use it; but it pseudo-futureproofs it for the next generation of back-compat, giving it a lot more replayability later on. I think more games might actually offer this option this generation, due to the rise of VRR on TVs and Monitors which smooth out variable framerate experiences.
Also have 1080/1440/2160 resolution options would be great too. If the console could do 1080p120fps I should have that option rather than always trying to hit 4k60fps.
Or given the choice I would rather have 1440p60fps over 4k30fps. Next-Gen consoles are great but developers should code in these "future proof" options because there are so many old games that will be locked to crappy settings.
Make the settings more like PC so we can choose how we want to play the game.
@@VanSanProductions Even Mobile games give better frame and gpu options than consoles, but it is improving on consoles.
Depending on the engine, FPS cap unlocks can be anything from completely trivial to an entire remaster of the game (especially when physics is FPS dependant).
Anything that has a PC release should be able to at least offer 60 FPS cap modes though, if not unlocked.
@@Keepskatin wayyy too slowly! The new console generations BC can't even figure out a way to give us a way to run old games at 60. Instead, it needs to be one of the ten whole games that have an unlocked framerates to see gains. Meanwhile, 98% of console gamersvdon't understand this, they think BC on "next gen" automatically means drastically better.
On PC you can get real improvement with BC but console companies know they can get away with the least effort possible because console gamers are too dumb to understand what is what or because more gamers these days will defend these companies instead of demand better.
Case in point- God of War confirmed today its not getting a patch. No 4k/60 mode only 1080p/60 on ps5 through boost mode.
Sonys best game of the gen not even getting a patch to take advantage of ps5
@@CC42_ to get old locked framerate games to run 6p frames will require reprogramming. Nobody is going to waste money doing that, unless many people will repurchase the old games.
Finally, siege is slept on when it comes to console benchmarks
Wow, the clarity improvement in Hellblade is crazy.
As a playstation fanboy, i'm in absolute awe of XBOX's backwards compatibility. I just hope the PS5 will be just as good in the BC departement as the Series X
it won't be
@@oshjames9648 Fanboy alert.
@@MrMaurice1124 It's the truth. It wont be. Go on any gaming mag site, even anti-xbox ones. Xbox series can play, Xbox, Xbox 360, and Xbox one games. The PS5 will have a very limited back compatibility list compared to Xbox as it can only play PS4 games. Sony doesn't prioritize it. Not even store purchases will work. Both consoles have their pros and cons.
"PS5 is not backwards compatible with PS3 games, although it is backwards compatible with PS4 games, meaning some remasters are playable on PlayStation 5. ... It's worth noting that PS3 Blu-ray discs and PS3 PS Store purchases will not be compatible with the PS5, however."
@@ThatCarGuy If you are meaning the list of games then yeah PS5 won't be. I was talking in terms of performance wise.
@@MrMaurice1124 Performance wise the Xbox series is the stronger console. So while they will be similar 2+ Tflops difference is a lot( It's like saying their is no difference between a GTX 1060 and a 1080), especially if not all back compatibility titles use PS5's boost mode to get to the 10tflop mark, since emulating older games seems to take up more resources then it should for both Xbox and PS. So at it's worst if they don't use boost mode that is 9tflops to to 12 tflops, that is a 25 percent difference among all the resource hogging BC games take. This is just one of MS selling points since Sony has a larger exclusive library. Like I said above both systems have their pros and cons. But Xbox does have the leg up in this department.
For RDR2, would be interesting to see auto HDR compared with Rockstar's shoddy HDR.
Rockstar's HDR is a joke. What's wired is the calibration screen looks pretty good and you're like "this is going to be great" then you leave the menu and the game is flat and colorless.
@@praisethesun4997 What TV do you both have? HDR is very different depending on the TV.
I actually think red dead 2 looks awesome on hdr on my PS4 slim. Maybe it’s not great hdr but it makes the game look beautiful to me.
This is why frame caps need to be thrown into a fire. No excuse for some of these older games, especially dumpster fires like Ark.
Next-gen couldn't come soon enough.
Frame rate caps are for games that will have massive frame drop if they didn’t have it
Hope we start to see more inclusions to backwards compatibility soon.
Would love to eventually have every game available on series X !
Jet Set Radio Future would be a great start 🙏
@@jerryharrison-ford1120 id much prefer a remaster , just imagine it in 60 fps improved textures maybe bigger map , no loading times, all them neon lights 😍😍😍
Should’ve been available for the Series X from the start. Just imagine EVERY GAME from the past generations of Xbox, that’s a HUGE selling point that Xbox could’ve taken advantage of.
fingers crossed for max payne trilogy, bummer its still left behind on the og xbox and 360
that would honestly be a reason for me to buy a series x at some point, as i am a huge fan of the original xbox. playing jet set radio future at locked 60fps? hell yeah !!!
ah man super disappointed there's no 60fps for red dead
I am confident that console games should come with resolution sliders and framerate options (30, 60, and 120). Not only can that future-proof those games to a certain degree, it will give the user the option to find their preferred setting. This should also strike a healthy balance between keeping consoles "plug and play" friendly and giving users control over their gameplay experience. The game developers can fine tune the actual quality settings to meet the variety of combinations.
How does kingdom Come: Deliverance perform on Series X?
That will be interesting to see for sure
I REALLY hope so :D
Absolutely. Wondering if they'll have improvements to framerate and draw distance.
I believe that game has a 30fps cap, so you will only see slightly better frame rate - unless the devs or Microsoft step in and release a patch to fix draw distance and unlock the fps.
At this point any games that are capped at 30fps, the series x will definitely run these games at a stable 30fps.
I thought Arkham City from the Return to Arkham physical disc had an unlocked framerate if left unpatched?
@@DeadPhoenix86DP so if i play the game offline and die asap, i will be getting an unlocked famerate for rest of my play through?
I have tried this unpatched on SeriesX and offline. It runs at a smooth framerate that looks 60fps (i can’t measure it) without the need to die. Pre-rendered cutscenes are messy but gameplay was smooth from the start.
I see Richard as a far relative of mine that visits from time to time and tells fascinating stories of tech, games and future.
Make sure you pay him a visit for thanksgiving.
This literally shows that devs had to deal with anemic system last gen. We finally get to play these games the way they were meant to be
so true. last gen was such a let down. those stupid jaguar processors held back an entire generation of gaming. this upcoming gen might be one of the best gens in gaming though. no bottlenecks at all
@@6ch6ris6 When last gen started they used hd7850 and hd7790 amd graphics and i aleady had 2 x hd7950 and got them for 300$ each... This was already old tech when last gen started to give you an idea . Its a big letdown to be honest
@Transistor Jump Same as 7850 .. Just a bit overclocked and node change is i remember right . Its basicallly lile comparin rx 580 and 590
Funny, i found myself wishing for games running terrible back them so we can get a way better experince with series X.
Yep 30 FPS still for £450 "next gen" is a pisstake
No point to upgrade between the 2, if they can't hit 60 FPS in last gen no way they'll hit 120 in next gen. I would've bought Series X but no point will get the S, what a shame
@@wasteland8544 pc
@@wasteland8544 they cant hit because the original devs put fps caps on thier games.
Someone must have sneaked in some really good stuff to smoke in the office that one day they decided that a 45 fps frame cap made even a fraction of a percentage of sense.
Serious question, why would a 45FPS frame cap be worse than 30FPS?
@@S0UNDWAVE Because at 45 FPS on a 60hz panel, frames are divided unevenly compared to 60 fps and 30 fps. Digital Foundry actually goes into more detail on this in their "Batman: Return to Arkham: Xbox One X's Most Disappointing Upgrade?" video.
next: witcher 3
witcher is getting an upgrade no? I assume that these games are ones without upgrades that just get boosted by the new hardware.
YES! I had started a new playthru and I'm excited to finish it on Series X!
It's performance mode should run a solid 60fps. The One X does an admirable job with it, but it really struggles in populated areas like Novigrad or the bog area, Series X should have no problems whatsoever there
Underrated indie gem
@@ayaan7031 nerd
Xbox Series X in two weeks! Here we gooooo!
If I can preorder one😭.
Me too brother. Then my PS5 Disc Edition on the 19th November!! Gaming is going to be great! Really looking forward to playing Cyberpunk 2077. 👍
@@flelllilx good luck my friend. Walmart is supposed to have day one consoles available. Some UA-camrs noted this by actually going to Walmart and asking. Probably with Target and BestBuy also.
@@jamieslater8991 12th here. You must be in the EU? But soon enough.
Mental innit
It’s the back compat mode that convinced me to buy a Series X. Not just to One, but older. I’d _love_ to be able to play PS2 and PS3 games on modern hardware.
PS2 emulation is possible on series x, pretty easy to set up
YAY!! More Xbox, more Richard!! It's a great Monday!!
I’m still curious about Witcher 3 in performance mode on Series X.
The Witcher 3 ran at 1080p-1332p 45-60fps on the one X. It did run at dynamic resolution scaling above 1080p, so I think it might be even able to reach 4k 60fps on the series X with performance mode.
But it isn't compatible with the series X and cdpr is releasing a next gen optimized version of the Witcher 3 with raytracing for free.
The game’s in this video which aren’t hitting 60fps on Series X isn’t because the Console isn’t more than capable of doing it but rather it’s because these are unpatched game’s which aren’t taking full advantage of the new hardware, and they’re not yet optimized or enhanced since they’re basic unoptimized plug n play back compatibility ports !
Game’s like RDR2, and or Corsa Racing can both do locked 60fps without breaking a sweat if the devs actually spend the time to push a Series X optimized patch or enhancement, and I’m pretty sure at the very least eventually rock star will definitely unlock the frame rate, and deliver a 4K 60fps experience for RDR2 at some point in the future after launch 🚀
Microsoft seem to be focusing a lot on old games. I wonder if its because they dont have anything good to come out for a while and have to rely on older games and 3rd party games ?
Xbox announced first party games:
The Elder Scrolls VI
Hellblade 2
Halo Infinite
Avowed
Fable
Forza 8
Starfield
EverWild
State of Decay 3
MS Flight Simulator
Gears Tatics (coming at launch)
Sony doesn't have any of that, neither old nor new. As in every start of generation.
Or you know, they're giving their studios time to do a good job.
@@alexcla9445 And let alone the fact that they have 23 studios producing games...
@@lucasanderson99 Xbox will be a first party empire this generation.
Xbox Series S needs more love from your channel, please try Xbox Series S vs Xbox one X, that will highlight whether a faster cpu vs slower gpu helps in any games.
I'm pretty sure they don't have a Series S.
LOL anybody that's asking for Series S is a Playstation Fanboy and needs to be blocked immediately we know what you're doing stop it
@@Fatheroftearsx 😂😂😂
I don't think they have the series S in office
His entire page is about PlayStation and final fantasy 7 😂😂c'mon now
I'm just happy that both MS and Sony are going to release boxes that are significantly faster than previous gen.
Even though on paper, Xbox One and PS4 where faster than their previous counterparts, I never felt that it was a "massive" leap.
Now, this stuff looks great!
Yeahh hopefully we get a series x optimized version of red dead 2
@Cryer24597 Most of it is good, but the first person modes in Rockstar games are almost unusable for me at 30fps. Their movement and animation system is already quite slow, but having more input lag on gun firing and moving the stick makes it undesirable. 30fps only really works in third person games.
Yeah with pc ultra graphics plz
I wanna see how GTA Online runs on the new consoles. At the moment, it drops to 15-20 fps in full sessions. Nearly unplayable.
Phill : xbox runs games at 4k and 60fps with Ray tracing
Xbox : calm down!
I wonder how Oblivion would play, I remember that game had those Stupid loading while walking around, would it be the same or it will disappear with the Series X?
It better had as that is one of the games I am buying the series X to FINALLY play at proper STABLE frame rates and loading times... It's fucking TWENTY TWENTY can I PLEASE play Oblivion properly....
Thank you DF for these tests.
Please compare the series X with the base Xbox one, thats the upgrade most people get
Xbox Series is taking console gaming to new levels
@Jermaine Lucus Amazing games
@Jermaine Lucus most console and pc gamers like old games.
I would love some Soul Calibur VI test, since it takes forever to load on Xone OG
THIS. Even on the one x it is slow.
@@DeadPhoenix86DP is it true that the PC version has a casual lobby browser?
Same thing for Tekken 7, it feels like loading takes longer than playing the actual fights :-/.
Could you guys make a quick video explaining exactly what your graphs are showing on screen? I feel like I’d get so much more out of these breakdowns if I knew what the hell a frame time was.
I really want you guys to test series s it will ne very interesting to see how it stacks up against its bigger brother.
Why test series S, we all know it will be weaker.
@@Keepskatin But how much weaker, is it even worth buying?
@@mitchmcdonald3168 It is weaker in the GPU only. No 4k games, only upscaling.
Just Cause 3! I was waiting for this. Like, I have a base-ass 2013 XB1 so the performance would absolutely be way worse.
Doing a Video on unpatched siege would be interesting as there was no Xbox One X patch at the time. I wonder how well the game could run on the Series X as a result.
When you ever get the chance, please check how unpatched Lichdom Battlemage fares on the Series X.
^ YES PLEASE
Oh yes! Those in-game tutorial videos where such a tease !
Its already 2020, 30fps isn't an excuse! Utilize the full potential of the hardware and optimize the damn game!
Backwards compatibility is a great excuse for 30fps, when you played PS1 games on PS2 there wasn't an improvement, there was no improvement when you played PS2 games on PS3, or when you played GameCube games on Wii
This is the best it's been done, I feel like people complaining about it are just really confused about what this is
Some games are capped genius, they can't run at 60 fps until the developers put a patch to unlock the frame rate...
@@user-gy4co8ss6f Bruh, there is tons of difference when playing on PS2 and even PS3 compared to Ps1. PS2 loads faster than PS1 and PS3, while PS3 has more stable framerates. Then even among the different PS2 model numbers there's differences in how they run PS1 games, with something like the 9000 series PS2 having artifacting on text.
Hey I had a question for Digital Foundry. If I am playing a backwards compatible game on Series X but from an external hard drive, will I lose out the benefit of a better resolution and stable FPS (ie Monster Hunter World and Witcher 3)? I do understand loading times will be affected.
No
I'm so excited to see how the PS5 handles backwards compatibility. I especially want to know if PS4 exclusives get some sort of patches to at least get 60FPS
Really impressed with the Xbox BC though
@Tronam none of European outlets have a ps5 they may get one few days before release
@Tronam I think Europe is finally getting their PS5s this week. Me may see Digital Foundry get one relatively soon
Have you noticed that several games are getting patches this past days... even 3rd party, looks promising.
Maybe train an AI to define things on Clarify and make a "Clarity Score" thing by training things *Relative* to a High-Res, High-Quality Image?
Pronouncing the names in the correct form should be the norm. Rich shouldn't feel uncomfortable doing so and I appreciate that everyone on camera at DF is doing that. What the hell is even a Wulfenshtine?
Assetto Corsa Competizione the worst...
Looking forward to some Series S tests - seems like nobody is doing them! I imagine there may be an embargo on the S! Can someone at least try playing games in 1440P / provide results?
Did MS send any out for review?
Series S is for people who don't care about resolution and performance. But the console use the same CPU as Series X, so the frame rate is pretty much the same we see here
The issue with the Series S is it will have to run games in One S compatibility mode so the games wont have a 1440p option.
@@eliteshergio7375 I'd like to know how many people can actually see a noticeable difference between 2K, 4K and 8K on a TV at 40° FOV.
@@PSNGormond The biggest problem with the series S is that you are only going to have like 300GB of HD space for games. S+1TB expansion cost more than a series X.
Damn its pushing 135fps cant wait to get mine 😃
Did u not see the screen tearing ?
@@kaneiii3342 yes thats to be expected for a unoptimized game my guy 😂 until a patch releases it will continue
@Foaad Hisham ???
@Foaad Hisham understandable
@Aputsiaq Lennert what about ubisoft games
Really cool to see your team's desire for a better metric of image quality beyond mere pixel count. There is a lot of research in the area of no reference image quality assessment, which is an incredibly hard problem due to the apparent need to understand the context of a scene in order to determine whether blur is aesthetic or defective. Anyway, there is some very cool progress in this area using deep neural networks, so I'm glad to see another potential application for such work.
Unfortunately FSR came along and set us back in this context by at least half a decade.
10:10 Damn, that holografic sight really impared the frame rate on One X :P
LOL.
Developers really need to include a non capped framerate option, even if the change its not that big, its dissapointing seeing batman at 30fps and RDR2 at 30fps, and they also need to add 1080p and 4k options, i would rater 1080p60 in RDR2 than 4k30, and the bad thing its that even 1080p is capped
Rockstar lazy sadly, they have the manpower and money to do it, but, why do anything when you can sit around and earn money, like, valve steam
@@Aaron-xr7oc That is sad, but if there would be new things on the gen this would be one of the bests
@@whatif7351 right, we haven't had a new gta since the 360 lmao, they just ported gta 5, and they are doing it again, they are porting a 360 game to next gen, its weird because I thought Sony didn't care about old games, but I guess it brings them lots of money.
@@Aaron-xr7oc Yeah, even if they did changes to the ports with graphics still the same 2 gens ago game, even tho thats not Sony's or Microsoft's fault, its Rockstar games, cause they still making a lot of money with gta v, so they don't really need to do another one
Still don't fully understand why Series S doesn't get One X backwards compatibility features. I thought that the One X was capped to 3Tflops GPU in back-compat mode which the Series S should be able to match and then some.
I am so excited to play through Just Cause 3 without the frame drops
I really want Conflict: Desert Storm 1, 2 and Vietnam to be backwards compatible. I can dream
Loved The Desert Storm games and Global Terror. I wish that series would come back because the realtime character ordering and switching was great. Also playing co-op with two characters each or a 4 player team was some of the best co-op gaming I have played.
@@ChrisWTube I feel exactly the same dude. So many good memories from the split screen, the order relaying system and actually just the different tactical approaches you could take in each level.
I also have the same feelings for the old SOCOM and Ghost Recon games which used similar order relay systems but that's for another time.
I'm so happy I landed a preorder. Still bummed that I didn't get a PS5 but 1/2 isn't bad.
I've been running on the OG XB1 and PS4 so these upgrades are gonna be substantial lol.
I would love to see how a 4x game like Stellaris runs on the new gen! Hopefully it will be a good improvement
Like to see an Update for RDR2 for 60fps....
That would be great !
It’s videos like this that sold me on the series X. It had no killer exclusives. Yet there are so many games that the current generation couldn’t run at acceptable levels. I can’t wait for this.
But I am also now worried that rockstar won’t allow the game to be upgraded without paying for it.
Have Xbox actually shown any next gen games yet? Because all I've seen so far are games that are Current Gen with modern enhancements..
REQUEST PLEASE: I would really love to know how ESO runs on the Series X.
its locked 30
I believe that game will be getting an update when the new consoles release, so that will be interesting to see in the future.
E s o ?
@@vladimirfasyura8191 Elder Scrolls Online
It’s confirmed to run like ass, as always (since morrowind dlc). Play ff14 it’s way better.
Maybe a bit late to the party on this one, but Fortnite: Battle Royale has a campaign mode ("Save the World") that is normally capped at 30 on consoles, but has an option to uncap the framerate. PS4 Pro is such that it hits 60fps about 75% of the time, but there's lots of weird micro-dips. I wonder how that stacks up here.
I think putting "4K 120fps" on the box wasn't such a good idea.
120 fps in 1080p
Why not, just ge a 2.1 hdmi tv/monitor and u can experience the full 120 fps 4K on the games that supports it like cod Cold War
Not really, gears runs at 4k 120fps in multi-player and looks amazing, only a fool would argue otherwise.