Women cannot have any power as a group. Their brains just aren't made for it; they go collectively insane without men to keep them in line. Basically every major social problem in the western world can be traced back to women having too much influence and power.
First of all how dare you. Second it's actually huWOmanity's journey. You're dismissed. This is the end of the conversation. The conversation's over. End of conversation.
Its more Misandric bs aka: toxic discrimination against anything slightly male, not equality but dominance over males is what they seek, not long ago two of them mutilated and killed a boy for being a boy.
These people could not even hold a candle to D.C. Fontana. She is credited for writing some of the finest Star Trek episodes ever. They could learn much from her.
Indeed. Although I want to point out she had big influence and help from Gene Roddenberry for decades. Just saying: an apple does not fall far from the trunk.
And yet Judakahn, Fontana used just the initials of her first and middle name to avoid BEING KNOWN AS A WOMAN in a male-dominated space, (Sci-Fi writers), so she can be taken seriously. For the life of me, I am just blown away by all the misogyny and threatened masculinity brought on by some, because this show focuses on 50% of the population as capable and being more than just Orion slave girls...
Nope, Dr Shepherd. Pretty sure I meant what I said. But you can keep on side stepping that - just like I’m sure you’re going to continue to PAY FOR your subscription to CBS for season 3, just to keep the snark coming.
As a fandom, we must cast out every Discovery fan, because they are nothing but a danger to the entire franchise. They encourage the rape and pillaging of the franchise, and are not true sci-fi fans. There is no word in any language that can accurately describe the anger that emerges within me when I see a "person" claim that they are a fan of Discovery. Like, no. They aren't people. They are gremlins who ruin Trek. Full stop.
PERIOD. It will even be denied the "Kelvin time line" maneuver where you last second go "oh...it's an alternate universe! That's what we were doing!" NOPE. Just garbage and disgusting pathetic liars who have no shame lol
@BrokenMikrofone I wouldn't even go that far. I imagine most viewers are just normies who have their phone or their switch going while "watching it" or just mindlessly consume the garbage sequels/reboots that Hollywood keeps throwing at them.
Dax and Kira were badasses, yet never had to demean or belittle men around them to be strong. If you're strong, you don't have to bully people around you. Only insecure people do that.
@@grantkruger3689 There were even times I thought they went overboard with Kira like when she beat the hell out of Dukats 2nd in command like no problem, I thought that was gay, but yeah shes a damn masterpiece character compared to this shit show and these so called"women".
@@danielhicks4826 Dumar deserved it. We was a blowhard, drunken fool with virtually no hand to hand combat training or experience, and attacking Zihael was highly provocative. I was surprised it took six years for Kira to lose control and beat the shit out of him to be honest.
In thinking about gone with the wind I consider Scarlett to be the equivalent of these discovery women (albeit written far better). Scarlett is insecure and belittles the people around her to boost her ego. Melanie is plainer but content with herself and remained mostly happy through the war and reconstruction much like Dax or Janeway she was a lady and a marvelous one at that.
“This is the first time women decided what the future of Star Trek was.” God help us then, it's being led by amoral sociopaths. A crew member died on that captain's watch and her justification is ''He was an idiot''. Strong? A character can be strong without putting others down, they can independent and still ask for help.
The sad thing is there's plenty of female writers who make decisions in various franchises. Yet its often the ones who want to make a big deal out of them being a woman who write this drivel. This has the unfortunate side effect of instead of their actions proving "women can lead great franchises!", it instead creates the impression that they can't, because the ones making a big noise about it are unfortunately the bad ones.
In a lot of respects, yes. Captain Janeway is a joke. While the writers of Discovery think feminism is about disdain towards men, the writers of Voyager thought that a good female lead character is one who is always right. Everyone involved with Voyager was so concerned about not making Janeway come off as a tough character that they never allowed her to actually develop as a character. From Caretaker to Endgame, she never develops.
@@gilly9666 But that doesn't make for a character one would get invested in. They come off more as a 'one-note' plot device than a person who is on an actual journey.
So they're disrespecting Captain Pike now? Come on, he's been captured in every episode/movie I remember him being in, the guy's had a rough enough life
"Women's journey", completely forgetting two key things: - Katherine Jeanway, who literally journeyed half the galaxy to get her crew home after being flung well beyond unexplored space and managed to keep her crew mostly alive and keep good moral. - The fact that Star Trek is supposed to set an example for Humanity in general. Not specific parts of Humanity. All of Humanity.
They forget Janeway but also forget other important characters. Colonel Kira Nirys: Survived a brutal genocide and fought in the trenches of a civil war. Shows little fear and is willing to fight what she belives in and takes no nonsense. Lt Commander Dax: The wisest and most intelligent crew member, strong enough to defeat Klingons in bat'lith fights yet retains her feminine charm. Those two never had to bully anyone or try to humiliate someone simply for being male. That short trek captain is just an obnoxious bully, I have genuinely seen children lead a team with more grace, I respect women but she is a proper see you next tuesday.
@@Josh23761 There's even more female characters of the same vein forgotten DISCO, most notably: Dr. Bev Crusher: A gentle, compassionate healer who can be assertive when needed while maintaining a calm composure. K'ehleyr: Trapped between the Klingon & Human cultures, yet able to become a remarkable individual in her own right and becoming a major ambassador & emissary. Despite being fearless and assertive, she was also feminine, loyal and loving to those she cares about. But best of all, she is exceptionally wise, freethinking and principled, and wouldn't hesitate to stand up to injustice and calling it what it is, to the point of sacrificing her own life. She fought for the underdogs, NOT belittling them. Lastly, she runs planet-sized rings around all the DISCO quasi-girlbosses seen above!
Excellent comment. In fact, as in TOS, all of the crew work hard to overcome their considerable differences, and as a result the Orville (the ship) is a very successful ship.
And in Star Trek Voyager, Captain Janeway don't have to cuck all male crewmembers to be strong character. She is a great captain like Picard, Sisko or Kirk
Your right STD is in the middle of a soft cancellation( they are saying season 4 is “in production” and will remain there until most people forget about the show and then it will be quietly cancelled)
Imagine this in reverse ("STFU woman, I was asking (male character)", "your tiny female brain") and I cannot recall any show/movie ever having been that sexist against women except if it was the villains doing it. Well maybe Sean Connery Bond in like the 60s but even that would be pushing it.
That thought pops into my mind with a lot of tv series and shows these days. A LOT of shows targeted at women would not be possibly if the sexes were reversed because there'd be a major outcry.
Exactly, if the characters of this show were 1 for 1 genderbent, it would have never have gotten a season 2, the directors/writers would have been crucified, and the actors would never find work again
Star Trek - the most egalitarian depiction of science fiction ever. Always on the forefront of a humanistic world-building of equality between sexes. YET IT STILL WASN'T QUITE EQUAL ENOUGH, thought the STD writers. So they wrote a show where mean are belittled, disrespected and spoken down to. This is the problem with feminist writers. They see themselves as some sort of champions for justice, while in reality, they are bitter avengers driven by anger. In defence of some of these clips, some of them simply depict women in power, which in itself isn't wrong. But more than half of the clips are actual sexism, and it's funny to watch. It's hilarious and cute to see feminist women vent their frustration on a sci-fi universe. These people are so small and petty.
the first star trek series had "legitimate sexism" with sexy outfits so this new series needed to have legitimate sexism the other way? or we could just never be stupid and not do "revenge writing"
This really is sickening. What kind of actresses would even agree to say such narcissistic, arrogant, self absorbed lines and claim to be playing "righteous" characters.
@@destronia123 Because they were not "perpetually" acting demeaning. Did you actually watch the show? You would know what I mean. You remind me of those sjws that pick lines of dialogue out of context and cry racism/sexism.
@@niicommey4117 You defelected rather than answer my question. In what context is it OK to demean all men and act like one is superior and righteous in all instances. That is the bogus narrative that the new fake Start Trek is pushing.
@@karimblix4378 Are Joined Trill any stronger than normal Trill though? I thought the symbiote only gives knowledge and experience. I don't think they come with any physical enhancements, do they?
@@karimblix4378 In DS9, Klingons are apparently printed on "Clone-Board" since the entire star cast just mows them down like a lawn on Sunday when they invade the station.
I mean, they do? There's a famous incident where some mentally ill slash shippers essentially bullied Rodenberry into "admitting" (as in they twisted his words) that Kirk and Spock were written as a gay romance. This was back in the 60 or 70s.
It's painful to watch this shit as a long-time Star trek fan. I've got no problem with strong lead women, when it's done correctly. Like Ripley from aliens.
That will not ever happen ever,good news is ya dont need it to, go buy some land get a good wife and lead them and have like 5 kids,home school them, as for movies or tv at all basically dont watch anything made after 2005 short of a few select examples,Hollywood is a dying shit hole and there entire purpose is subversion and it always will be.
I highly doubt this will stop. In fact, it will get even worse. They don't care about ratings, they are the money. Modern Hollywood is a shithole, so it's time to move to anime and asian cinema.
I wish for that too, but the woke political agenda has infested just about every sci-fi franchise vehicle I can think of. I've heard it as being called 'The Great Reset', in reference to killing off of what we had previously had as mentor hero-type characters(white male leads), and focusing solely on female characters, African American, lgbtq+, and non-white ethnic type peoples. It's all about identity politics now with a good helping of white male bashing thrown in for good measure. I fear the days of good script writing are over.
The feminists kryptonite, the very fact that once a month, they bleed in anguish from the orifice between their legs. Nature, by its very definition, is sexist. That's why I love nature.
This perfectly illustrates what I've thought about this kind of writing for a long time: when you write an arrogant, sadistic, domineering character giving them girl parts won't make them any less hateable than if they were a big bad toxic male. It says a lot about the kind of people writing this stuff if they think this is what power looks like.
3:30. Jeez. Vulcans suppress emotion. He was trying to help, not cop a feel. Also, Vulcans are impassive, they're not dumb. He would have suggested giving her a leg up or something. He wouldn't have gone to "hug" her like that. Imagine if this scene had featured Seven of Nine and Tuvok on Voyager. Would Tuvok have just grabbed Seven around the waist like some klutz, offending her? Of course not. Tuvok would never have been that tactless. They would have worked together as a team, respectfully and efficiently. 90s Star Trek did representation and equality perfectly. This kind of vengeful, domineering feminism intended to humiliate and humble men is regressive, not progressive.
Because these writers today say they are interested in representation and equality but they are demonstrably not. Their REAL interest lies in dominance and superiority. And when pressed on the matter they will think it's excusable because it used to be the other way around, as if to say two wrongs make a right. The 90s in general did equality better, in all of culture and media. But certain people didn't like that, because true representation and equality would remove any cause for them to whine and demand concessions.
I'll give them credit for making it really "alien", by having every man being an incompetent loser and every woman being confident and skilled, leading the way. So completely distant and unrealistic from our situation it feels like a parallel universe. In reality this is just some ridiculous power / cuckhold fantasy - depending on the gender of the writers. To the same degree some elementary student power fantasy essay of being cool, talented, liked by everyone and girls love him.
The first star trek series I have not finished watching and every other series I have watched at least twice. Surely that says something, they don't give a damn about their fan base
I watch episodes of TNG, voyager and enterprise every week, even though I have seen most of then dozens if not close to 100 times. But I didn't finish Discovery and I stopped watching Picard after episode 5 where 7 of 9 decides to revenge murder a woman she may have had a sexual relationship with after that person brutally murdered Icheb. It was absolute garbage!
Iv been watching star trek since i was a kid and watch tos tng ds9 Voyager and enterprise regularly , diversity i stopped after 4vor 5 episode's, discard i stopped after episode 3 , and will never watch them
It gets even worse. I've seen every Star Trek series and movie multiple times (even the Kelvin ones). I was only able to watch STD Season 1 and haven't even seen a single episode of Picard. As long as Kurtzman is doing these shows there is really no point anymore in watching. That guy couldn't make a good Star Trek show if Roddenberry himself wrote the script.
I hate how they just ignore all of Star Trek when they talk about this shit. They're delusional, it's as if they actually believe they're the only ones who have ever seen or done anything that portrays women positively. I've been watching a few of my favorite episodes of Deep Space Nine recently, and there's more and far better "female representation" in those episodes than in this entire fucking show.
That scene with Spock(?) being told to get on his knees to lift the officer, when he was already trying to lift her in a less demeaning way... God, that shit makes my blood boil
Mary Cheiffo JUST tweeted some bullshit about how the next writers for STAR Wars should only be black, women, or LGBTQ or all three. What a sexist thing to say. Also, The female captain was certainly not star trek (or even adult) material . Who acts that childish?!
In truth, the whole "it's the first time women are in charge of Star Trek" probably makes the think; "Wow. Women really shouldn't be put in charge of things." That was my first reaction until I calmed myself down and told myself that just because a lot of famous women are stupid doesn't mean all women are stupid.
I've never watched this series, (though I am a fan of Star Trek) and when she said "on your knees Spock" I literally winced. Gross. And a literal representation on screen of men being made to "take a knee" for the encroaching feminazism. I'm a woman, by the way. Not that it's important.
If there were no SJWs, it wouldn't. By saying you're a woman and that you don't endorse this behaviour, you're saying not all women are murderous feminists.
"I think this is the first time where a group of women, with no one else in the room, decided the future of Star Trek." Ah, so that's where it went wrong.
For a show it should be about the writers and producers talent not their gender. I would be insulted if my employer hired me just because I'm a man. Janeway wasn't a great captain because she's a woman, she's a great captain who just happens to be a woman.
@@captainspire9094 You may be right: they could just meld them together, should CBS and Disney make a deal. After all, the writers seem to be trying so very hard to turn _Trek_ into Disney _Star Wars_ . I say "go all-out or go home." There's no risk at this point.
A female character stating that men have "tiny male brains" is not feminism, it is sexism against men aka misandry. Stuff like that is why, while I support equal rights for women, I am against the contemporary wave of 4th wave feminism which is really just a hate group against men. Think about it, if a male character said that the women had "tiny female brains:" on this show, there would be outrage, for true equality, a female character saying that about a man should cause the same kind of outrage, people need to start calling out sexism against men for what it is and stop supporting movies and TV shows that promote it.
Honestly, the writing on this show seems like these four women got together and vented to each other about every single negative experience that they’ve had in Hollywood, real or imagined, and then wrote out a revenge fan fic set in the Star Trek universe.
Holy crap. I mean, they basically admitted that it's important to them that they have a show not just where women are involved, but that *only* women run it, and no men. The first rule of feminism is very simple: Anything predominantly enjoyed by women is a woman's space and men need to accept that. Anything predominantly enjoyed by men is a problem that needs to be fixed and changed to appeal more to men. That's the primary rule of feminism from the second wave on.
I can barely watch highlights of this show, let alone actually sit through it. The Special effects and set design look interesting, but god the rest looks insufferably cringe. Star Trek always had strong female characters but they were always realistic. Get those shitty feminist writers out of there please
"I love that Star Trek Discovery is this woman's journey" excuse me, did you watch Voyager? Didn't you see a female captain, half an hour into her first mission, get thrown hundreds of light years away from everything she knew and lose half her crew, and didn't you watch over the next couple years how she and everybody under her leadership fucking thrived?
Janeway's the worst example of a good female Trek character because she's a raving psychopath that got her crew stranded being an idiot. DS9's female characters were far better handled.
@@BlazingOwnager You may not like her and some episode were bad but she wasn’t a psychopath. Unlike Mickey Spock and Bat woman. Now that’s how you write a psychopath.
Seven of Nine had a really good journey too, embracing her humanity and learning to cope with the imperfect humans. Not to mention she was about as intelligent as the ship's computer and possessed a great deal of physical strength. There's a strong female character for you. I really don't know what these writers are thinking, presenting themselves as pioneers of equality in writing.
Imagine if the men in this show treated the women this way. Think it would still be funny? This is why I don't watch garbage like this because it's always a one-way street. None of the former Trek franchises ever treated women like this, yet somehow they think it's acceptable to treat men like idiots. This is why sjw's and feminists are so despised... because they don't really want equality. They want superiority.
Voyager, a female captain...who was strong leader, mother figure, able to express emotions and control them. An engineer who was better qualified to be the chief engineer that any male on the ship. An ex-borg, learning what it means to be human who develops her own identity despite difficulties and setbacks. Discovery, a girl with a screwed up childhood who makes mistakes, bad choices and who didn't really develop or change much. A nervous girl who was smart, but no matter how much others helped, she didn't really get much better. A captain from a mirror universe, who by design is a negative example of how to act. And the klingon woman...well she just didn't look or act the way klingons look or act. Where exactly was the positive female representation there? And why the hell were there only 4 people in a room deciding the fate of star trek? That is too much power for just 4 people, no matter what gender they are!
Yes, on November 14, Computing Forever uploaded a video titled "The Wokeness of Modern Star Trek" which makes extensive reference to Major Grin's excellent video "The Difference Between TNG and Star Trek Discovery / Short Trek".
I see your clips, but I ask myself, "Does anyone actually watch this show?" The people who think like this don't watch SF, so unless there are a lot of SF fans who like to be insulted continuously, who's watching?
ArchEnema 67 a year or so ago I met an Sjw (dyed red hair , entitlement ,the whole shtick) and she said her boyfriend watched the show.... so it might just be cucks
You know these female writers really haven't felt much success if they always have to make women the smart and always correct ones, always proving the men wrong or upstaging them. Just a fantasy that will never come true just like Star Trek itself, but at least the old Star Trek was good and not blatantly sexist.
Voyager exists and is a better show than this and has better messages of equality by just simply showing people of all races and genders working together
I cant even react seriously to this anymore so here goes: "Get on your knees spock" "No, you get on your knees" Or "Get on your knees spock ..... now turn around"
Let's just say that in almost all shows and films, men do not have to stoop so low to be powerful. No need to attack the other sex to boost egos. As a matter of fact, many who are written as heroes, never once attack women at all. This is mostly sexism being preached as positive, trying to normalize abusive behavior. Virtue signaling pukes at their finest. Nope. I am glad I have not watched it. I was waiting. But now I am not going to bother. Thanks for that.
Anyone who elevates themselves by tearing other people down do not deserve to be "empowered". A truly empowered person stands on their own achievements and their own merit.
The character of Major/Col. Kira Nerys of Star Trek Deep Space Nine was a competent, strong, intelligent, & beautiful military officer (as well as a complete “badass”!”) and not once did she degrade men or had to remind everyone that she was a powerful woman presence. The characters they created for this new Star Trek are garbage and don’t hold a dim light to any of the past Star Treks .
I'm all for enjoying a woman's journey when it involves good writing and interesting characters. This show has neither, just trendy lighting, music video editing, and a lead who is nearly flawless and therefore extremely boring.
0:06 "Tiny male brains". The male brain in humans is larger than the female, although brain size is a poor metric for intelligence: Einstein's brain was smaller than average. Also, "you can't rely on sensors"???? What?!
I know the "Kelvin Timeline" film trilogy has its fair share of detractors and critics, many of whom I love, such as the Critical Drinker. But let's be honest. They're fun, they're exciting, they're emotional, they show great strong characters who respect and balance each other, and they're ONE MILLION TIMES BETTER than this woke Discovery/Short Trek/Picard garbage!!!
I agree. The Kelvin Timeline was my introduction to Star Trek and that made me watch The Original Series and its movies. The characters were great in the Kelvin Timeline and it reminded me of the Original Series characters. There was a family dynamic to the crew for both versions and they were all working together to solve problems. That's what Star Trek is. People that are different from one another, but all in a starship going on adventures in space. That's Gene Roddenberry's dream. This show is just an atrocity to something he created.
Star Trek - Use intellect when resolving problems with other individuals. Shit Parody - Use basic emotions, preferably arrogance, anger and condescension. Oh well.
The biggest irony in ALL of this is (anyone who's watched these episodes will know) is that the men mostly want to do things by the book, they do what you would think is logical like reading sensors, following the prime derective, try to engineer a solution etc and the women characters belittle them. Everything goes to shit because the women characters went for the "feelings" instead of "facts" route but ALWAYS some crazy bullshit ends up saving their skin and not calculated problem solving and forward thinking. If you want to make women look good why not make them the logical calculated forward thinkers? And make the men emotional off the rails crew members? They weren't even 100% effective at making the men look useless. They can't get anything right. All these episodes are like how in SW TLJ Poe Dameron begs Holdo to tell him the plan but she doesnt so he resorts to drastic action which through some bullshit turns out is the wrong move. Even though if Holdo put aside feelings she could have stopped a mutiny occuring.
Guinan comes to mind when I see this cringe fest. She was the wisest, oldest, and probably smartest person on the Enterprise, but her wisdom didn't come from belittling others. Plus, she was a black woman, but that was an insignificant part of her character arc. If there was a centuries old wise black female character on Discovery, I'm sure she'd be a finger snapping, head bobbing caricature who dunks on all the dumb white men at every opportunity.
These writers are genuine psychopaths.
Indoctrinated young sjws
dont forget narcicism
No. Just psychopaths.
@@mrmrsgamer6938 I stand corrected.
Women cannot have any power as a group. Their brains just aren't made for it; they go collectively insane without men to keep them in line. Basically every major social problem in the western world can be traced back to women having too much influence and power.
Woman’s journey? I thought Star Trek was about humanity’s journey?
they're going where no woman gone before
First of all how dare you.
Second it's actually huWOmanity's journey.
You're dismissed.
This is the end of the conversation.
The conversation's over.
End of conversation.
Shame on you! Your choice of words is so alien segregating!
Its more Misandric bs aka: toxic discrimination against anything slightly male, not equality but dominance over males is what they seek, not long ago two of them mutilated and killed a boy for being a boy.
*humynity
These people could not even hold a candle to D.C. Fontana. She is credited for writing some of the finest Star Trek episodes ever. They could learn much from her.
Indeed. Although I want to point out she had big influence and help from Gene Roddenberry for decades. Just saying: an apple does not fall far from the trunk.
And yet Judakahn, Fontana used just the initials of her first and middle name to avoid BEING KNOWN AS A WOMAN in a male-dominated space, (Sci-Fi writers), so she can be taken seriously.
For the life of me, I am just blown away by all the misogyny and threatened masculinity brought on by some, because this show focuses on 50% of the population as capable and being more than just Orion slave girls...
@@trainsurgeon The word you were looking for is Misandry. You are blown away by all the Misandry and bad behaviour in this show
Nope, Dr Shepherd. Pretty sure I meant what I said. But you can keep on side stepping that - just like I’m sure you’re going to continue to PAY FOR your subscription to CBS for season 3, just to keep the snark coming.
@@trainsurgeon lmao! you are funny ;)
It's called "STD" for a reason...
Woman's?
Stop stealing my jokes ;.;
yep it infected the star trek franchise
The romans had the right idea
Can you explain what is STD for non-native English speakers. Sexually transmitted diseases?
I miss the time when Trek was made for everyone from the ground up.
Me too. Trek used to be for everybody before everybody became in vogue
It still is for everyone
@@airrider-jk9ik cause putting down males is for everyone.
@@airrider-jk9ik bullshit.
It was made for boys and men
It's OK, everyone. This need not be canon. Or acknowledged. At all.
As a fandom, we must cast out every Discovery fan, because they are nothing but a danger to the entire franchise. They encourage the rape and pillaging of the franchise, and are not true sci-fi fans. There is no word in any language that can accurately describe the anger that emerges within me when I see a "person" claim that they are a fan of Discovery. Like, no. They aren't people. They are gremlins who ruin Trek. Full stop.
That's been my approach all along.
PERIOD.
It will even be denied the "Kelvin time line" maneuver where you last second go "oh...it's an alternate universe! That's what we were doing!"
NOPE.
Just garbage and disgusting pathetic liars who have no shame lol
I really can't understand why people like this show.
Nobody likes it. Its just they have a rich agenda thats backing this shit
People like this show?
@@bman2cool4u68 - Unfortunately. Agent47 claims that no one likes this show however.
@BrokenMikrofone I wouldn't even go that far. I imagine most viewers are just normies who have their phone or their switch going while "watching it" or just mindlessly consume the garbage sequels/reboots that Hollywood keeps throwing at them.
@@piranhaplantX thats it. just normies consuming everything with a big label and a lot of pewpew, gore and fuckedifuck
Dax and Kira were badasses, yet never had to demean or belittle men around them to be strong. If you're strong, you don't have to bully people around you. Only insecure people do that.
Which makes these women weak, and the only thing that saves them from embarrassment is the production of the show.
@@grantkruger3689 There were even times I thought they went overboard with Kira like when she beat the hell out of Dukats 2nd in command like no problem, I thought that was gay, but yeah shes a damn masterpiece character compared to this shit show and these so called"women".
@@danielhicks4826
Dumar deserved it. We was a blowhard, drunken fool with virtually no hand to hand combat training or experience, and attacking Zihael was highly provocative.
I was surprised it took six years for Kira to lose control and beat the shit out of him to be honest.
Yea if these writers actually watch ds9 they would have a better show
In thinking about gone with the wind I consider Scarlett to be the equivalent of these discovery women (albeit written far better). Scarlett is insecure and belittles the people around her to boost her ego. Melanie is plainer but content with herself and remained mostly happy through the war and reconstruction much like Dax or Janeway she was a lady and a marvelous one at that.
So basically women admit to ruining Star Trek in those interviews? Well, okay then. :D
sad things is, in their world they made nothing wrong and we are just selfish patriarchal idiots.
@@drshepherd6567 aye
*GET BACK IN THE KITCHEN*
@@theclubvids the usual suspects
@@SirDankleberry get a brain
Wait... did a starfleet captain just enjoy torturing someone?
Spookki I guess the idea to avoid conflict was lost on the dipsticks leading this shit
It was a mirror universe episode
@@theodenking169 Not really an episode, but a character from a mirror universe. That's why she's behaving in such a way.
@@anthot7361 The way some women secretly want to act. Or at least the female writers of this show.
@@Dogheadpunch BINGO.
“This is the first time women decided what the future of Star Trek was.” God help us then, it's being led by amoral sociopaths. A crew member died on that captain's watch and her justification is ''He was an idiot''. Strong? A character can be strong without putting others down, they can independent and still ask for help.
The sad thing is there's plenty of female writers who make decisions in various franchises. Yet its often the ones who want to make a big deal out of them being a woman who write this drivel. This has the unfortunate side effect of instead of their actions proving "women can lead great franchises!", it instead creates the impression that they can't, because the ones making a big noise about it are unfortunately the bad ones.
"I'm glad Star Trek is about a woman's journey"
Janeway: Am I a joke to you?
In a lot of respects, yes. Captain Janeway is a joke. While the writers of Discovery think feminism is about disdain towards men, the writers of Voyager thought that a good female lead character is one who is always right. Everyone involved with Voyager was so concerned about not making Janeway come off as a tough character that they never allowed her to actually develop as a character. From Caretaker to Endgame, she never develops.
@@Kalaida Was she really always right? Wasn't she tough? Not my takeaway.
@@Kalaida a captain must always project being confident, acting right all the time even when they are unsure is how captain's are ment to be
@@gilly9666 But that doesn't make for a character one would get invested in. They come off more as a 'one-note' plot device than a person who is on an actual journey.
@@Kalaida I just got into Voyager, on season 4. I don't know what the fuck ur talking about
So they're disrespecting Captain Pike now? Come on, he's been captured in every episode/movie I remember him being in, the guy's had a rough enough life
Nii Commey shutup cant understand normal thinking men are talking
@@niicommey4117
And she was right, because he wasn’t a Mary Sue.
Apparently just being MALE is enough for the women in this shit show to disrespect you.
@@niicommey4117 everything is fucking propaganda, even this comment.
"Women's journey", completely forgetting two key things:
- Katherine Jeanway, who literally journeyed half the galaxy to get her crew home after being flung well beyond unexplored space and managed to keep her crew mostly alive and keep good moral.
- The fact that Star Trek is supposed to set an example for Humanity in general. Not specific parts of Humanity. All of Humanity.
They forget Janeway but also forget other important characters.
Colonel Kira Nirys: Survived a brutal genocide and fought in the trenches of a civil war. Shows little fear and is willing to fight what she belives in and takes no nonsense.
Lt Commander Dax: The wisest and most intelligent crew member, strong enough to defeat Klingons in bat'lith fights yet retains her feminine charm.
Those two never had to bully anyone or try to humiliate someone simply for being male. That short trek captain is just an obnoxious bully, I have genuinely seen children lead a team with more grace, I respect women but she is a proper see you next tuesday.
@@Josh23761 There's even more female characters of the same vein forgotten DISCO, most notably:
Dr. Bev Crusher: A gentle, compassionate healer who can be assertive when needed while maintaining a calm composure.
K'ehleyr: Trapped between the Klingon & Human cultures, yet able to become a remarkable individual in her own right and becoming a major ambassador & emissary. Despite being fearless and assertive, she was also feminine, loyal and loving to those she cares about. But best of all, she is exceptionally wise, freethinking and principled, and wouldn't hesitate to stand up to injustice and calling it what it is, to the point of sacrificing her own life. She fought for the underdogs, NOT belittling them. Lastly, she runs planet-sized rings around all the DISCO quasi-girlbosses seen above!
@@Josh23761 I can explain that Short Trek Captain in four words: 'Aisha Tyler was busy.'
The cringe level, I think it’s 9000.
On the contrary, IT'S OVER 9000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@finrodbrs 9000?!
There's no way that can be right!
And THEN some...
It's OVER 9OOO
Meanwhile we have actual strong women (who don't need to look down on men) on the Orville.
bingo
Excellent comment. In fact, as in TOS, all of the crew work hard to overcome their considerable differences, and as a result the Orville (the ship) is a very successful ship.
And in Star Trek Voyager, Captain Janeway don't have to cuck all male crewmembers to be strong character. She is a great captain like Picard, Sisko or Kirk
@@jeancabaille Janeway is a psychopath, but it has nothing to do with her gender.
the first scene in the ORville is the main character getting fuking cucked! fuck orville too!
I am female and I am shamed by this overreach. Give me TOS and TNG.
The future of Star Trek is cancellation.
Maple A. 😐 😆😂
@Maple A. Picard ruins Star Trek further
Maybe it'll crossover with Doctor Whoke and the daleks can exterminate everyone.
Your right STD is in the middle of a soft cancellation( they are saying season 4 is “in production” and will remain there until most people forget about the show and then it will be quietly cancelled)
Tfw all the garbage new franchises are too big to fail and are stuck in SJW jail
Imagine this in reverse ("STFU woman, I was asking (male character)", "your tiny female brain") and I cannot recall any show/movie ever having been that sexist against women except if it was the villains doing it.
Well maybe Sean Connery Bond in like the 60s but even that would be pushing it.
I thought about the same thing. And if this did happen in reverse, the men would be castrated for it. It's so hypocritical it hurts.
That thought pops into my mind with a lot of tv series and shows these days. A LOT of shows targeted at women would not be possibly if the sexes were reversed because there'd be a major outcry.
THEY. DONT. CARE. They hate you. They want you dead. They want your family dead. Stop pretending hypocrisy matters.
TOS was sometimes like this…
It doesn’t make discovery ok, but there was sexism in TOS and early TNG.
Exactly, if the characters of this show were 1 for 1 genderbent, it would have never have gotten a season 2, the directors/writers would have been crucified, and the actors would never find work again
Star Trek - the most egalitarian depiction of science fiction ever. Always on the forefront of a humanistic world-building of equality between sexes. YET IT STILL WASN'T QUITE EQUAL ENOUGH, thought the STD writers. So they wrote a show where mean are belittled, disrespected and spoken down to.
This is the problem with feminist writers. They see themselves as some sort of champions for justice, while in reality, they are bitter avengers driven by anger.
In defence of some of these clips, some of them simply depict women in power, which in itself isn't wrong. But more than half of the clips are actual sexism, and it's funny to watch. It's hilarious and cute to see feminist women vent their frustration on a sci-fi universe. These people are so small and petty.
The irony is that these women like most are privilaged
the first star trek series had "legitimate sexism" with sexy outfits so this new series needed to have legitimate sexism the other way? or we could just never be stupid and not do "revenge writing"
WTF are They "Avenging" ???
WTF do They Even HAVE to be frustrated about ???
@@leafyisherearchive4484 CAN NOT COMPLAIN ^_^
The LADIES on TOS were TRULY Desirable :D
@@leafyisherearchive4484 Also, Jadzia in the TOS skirt.
But TNG also had men wearing the skant.
STD is crap. I can't even watch this.
I didn't know cancer was an STD
Lords of Media Hep B leads to liver cancer..yep std is cancer.
This really is sickening. What kind of actresses would even agree to say such narcissistic, arrogant, self absorbed lines and claim to be playing "righteous" characters.
The same actresses who are narcissistic, arrogant and self absorbed
The clips are out of context
@@niicommey4117 How does perpetually acting superior and demeaning all men need a specific context?
@@destronia123 Because they were not "perpetually" acting demeaning.
Did you actually watch the show? You would know what I mean.
You remind me of those sjws that pick lines of dialogue out of context and cry racism/sexism.
@@niicommey4117 You defelected rather than answer my question. In what context is it OK to demean all men and act like one is superior and righteous in all instances. That is the bogus narrative that the new fake Start Trek is pushing.
Turning the tables of oppression isn't "representation."
2:10 A small, human woman using Klingon weapons against a Klingon? Definitely stands a chance.
she beat him easily
Yeah, aren't Klingons supposed to be stronger than humans? And she _is_ a human.
In DS9 Jadzia Dax couldn't beat an old Klingon geezer when both were using Klingon weapons
@@karimblix4378 Are Joined Trill any stronger than normal Trill though? I thought the symbiote only gives knowledge and experience. I don't think they come with any physical enhancements, do they?
@@karimblix4378 In DS9, Klingons are apparently printed on "Clone-Board" since the entire star cast just mows them down like a lawn on Sunday when they invade the station.
You have no idea what I'm thinking. Im a WAHMIN!
They were talking about her views about section 31 in that scene, you would have your stretch your imagination to make it about gender politics.
@@niicommey4117 hOw DaRe YoU!!!
This is what Malcolm McDowell had to watch in A Clockwork Orange.
"Stop it! Stop it! Please, I beg you!"
Agreed! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The writer thinks young girls watch Star Trek? HAHAHHAAH
I do but I don't watch STD lmaooo
Not THIS Shit.
Girls have been into REAL STAR TREK From The Start.
@@nunyadambidniss yea but now the normies want to change it to suit them. DOnt be such a toxic fan or somthing...... lol
Guess I’ll show myself out then...
Plenty of us watching; just not THIS shit
I mean, they do? There's a famous incident where some mentally ill slash shippers essentially bullied Rodenberry into "admitting" (as in they twisted his words) that Kirk and Spock were written as a gay romance. This was back in the 60 or 70s.
It's painful to watch this shit as a long-time Star trek fan. I've got no problem with strong lead women, when it's done correctly. Like Ripley from aliens.
If only they would have taken a moment to identify as female, these guys would have fared better.
Maybe they did and we'll never know. Crypto-transphobia is clearly rampant in the Discovery writing room...
I can't wait until Hollywood is over this trend of putting political agenda before good writing...
That will not ever happen ever,good news is ya dont need it to, go buy some land get a good wife and lead them and have like 5 kids,home school them, as for movies or tv at all basically dont watch anything made after 2005 short of a few select examples,Hollywood is a dying shit hole and there entire purpose is subversion and it always will be.
Hollywood was created by the same israelis that control everything else.
I highly doubt this will stop. In fact, it will get even worse. They don't care about ratings, they are the money. Modern Hollywood is a shithole, so it's time to move to anime and asian cinema.
I wish for that too, but the woke political agenda has infested just about every sci-fi franchise vehicle I can think of. I've heard it as being called 'The Great Reset', in reference to killing off of what we had previously had as mentor hero-type characters(white male leads), and focusing solely on female characters, African American, lgbtq+, and non-white ethnic type peoples. It's all about identity politics now with a good helping of white male bashing thrown in for good measure. I fear the days of good script writing are over.
It's not about making money anymore
Why the hell does everyone in charge look like they are about 19-27
“This is the first time women decided what the future of Star Trek was.”
...I hope you’re proud. clap clap
Star Trek: Rag Week
The feminists kryptonite, the very fact that once a month, they bleed in anguish from the orifice between their legs. Nature, by its very definition, is sexist. That's why I love nature.
Remember in old Trek when everyone was competent at their jobs?
This perfectly illustrates what I've thought about this kind of writing for a long time: when you write an arrogant, sadistic, domineering character giving them girl parts won't make them any less hateable than if they were a big bad toxic male. It says a lot about the kind of people writing this stuff if they think this is what power looks like.
Sick people, maybe psychos. Because this kind of writing is pure hate towards men.
3:30. Jeez. Vulcans suppress emotion. He was trying to help, not cop a feel. Also, Vulcans are impassive, they're not dumb. He would have suggested giving her a leg up or something. He wouldn't have gone to "hug" her like that.
Imagine if this scene had featured Seven of Nine and Tuvok on Voyager. Would Tuvok have just grabbed Seven around the waist like some klutz, offending her? Of course not. Tuvok would never have been that tactless. They would have worked together as a team, respectfully and efficiently.
90s Star Trek did representation and equality perfectly. This kind of vengeful, domineering feminism intended to humiliate and humble men is regressive, not progressive.
Because these writers today say they are interested in representation and equality but they are demonstrably not. Their REAL interest lies in dominance and superiority. And when pressed on the matter they will think it's excusable because it used to be the other way around, as if to say two wrongs make a right.
The 90s in general did equality better, in all of culture and media. But certain people didn't like that, because true representation and equality would remove any cause for them to whine and demand concessions.
given how strong Vulcans are, he could literally have just picked her and thrown her up there
I'll give them credit for making it really "alien", by having every man being an incompetent loser and every woman being confident and skilled, leading the way. So completely distant and unrealistic from our situation it feels like a parallel universe. In reality this is just some ridiculous power / cuckhold fantasy - depending on the gender of the writers. To the same degree some elementary student power fantasy essay of being cool, talented, liked by everyone and girls love him.
The first star trek series I have not finished watching and every other series I have watched at least twice. Surely that says something, they don't give a damn about their fan base
I watch episodes of TNG, voyager and enterprise every week, even though I have seen most of then dozens if not close to 100 times. But I didn't finish Discovery and I stopped watching Picard after episode 5 where 7 of 9 decides to revenge murder a woman she may have had a sexual relationship with after that person brutally murdered Icheb. It was absolute garbage!
Iv been watching star trek since i was a kid and watch tos tng ds9 Voyager and enterprise regularly , diversity i stopped after 4vor 5 episode's, discard i stopped after episode 3 , and will never watch them
I couldn’t even finish the first episode of STD
Y eso que STD y STP durán como 10 episodios por temporada, y las demás durán 25 episodios por temporada xD
It gets even worse. I've seen every Star Trek series and movie multiple times (even the Kelvin ones). I was only able to watch STD Season 1 and haven't even seen a single episode of Picard. As long as Kurtzman is doing these shows there is really no point anymore in watching. That guy couldn't make a good Star Trek show if Roddenberry himself wrote the script.
And people wonder why this show is crap
I hate how they just ignore all of Star Trek when they talk about this shit. They're delusional, it's as if they actually believe they're the only ones who have ever seen or done anything that portrays women positively. I've been watching a few of my favorite episodes of Deep Space Nine recently, and there's more and far better "female representation" in those episodes than in this entire fucking show.
They do not ignore it, they have never seen it.
Indeed. Kira is 200 times the character of these FemiNazis. Jadzia, too.
compilations like this also show they ARENT portraying women positively
That scene with Spock(?) being told to get on his knees to lift the officer, when he was already trying to lift her in a less demeaning way... God, that shit makes my blood boil
"She aborted the rescue mission"
Excuse me but she has the right to choose.
I developed an inoperable brain tumor just by watching this; holy moly this show is terrible
Mary Cheiffo JUST tweeted some bullshit about how the next writers for STAR Wars should only be black, women, or LGBTQ or all three.
What a sexist thing to say.
Also, The female captain was certainly not star trek (or even adult) material . Who acts that childish?!
She is a child, especially compared to most of her subordinates.
Tilly grew 3x the size in a season
I wonder if they think this is helping women become more respected.
In truth, the whole "it's the first time women are in charge of Star Trek" probably makes the think; "Wow. Women really shouldn't be put in charge of things."
That was my first reaction until I calmed myself down and told myself that just because a lot of famous women are stupid doesn't mean all women are stupid.
I've never watched this series, (though I am a fan of Star Trek) and when she said "on your knees Spock" I literally winced.
Gross.
And a literal representation on screen of men being made to "take a knee" for the encroaching feminazism.
I'm a woman, by the way. Not that it's important.
If there were no SJWs, it wouldn't. By saying you're a woman and that you don't endorse this behaviour, you're saying not all women are murderous feminists.
Go make me a sandwich
"I think this is the first time where a group of women, with no one else in the room, decided the future of Star Trek."
Ah, so that's where it went wrong.
For a show it should be about the writers and producers talent not their gender. I would be insulted if my employer hired me just because I'm a man. Janeway wasn't a great captain because she's a woman, she's a great captain who just happens to be a woman.
It's sort of like poetry, it rhymes.
There's so much in the frame...
wrong franchise
@@ZeroB4NG Can you even tell any more?
@@captainspire9094 You may be right: they could just meld them together, should CBS and Disney make a deal. After all, the writers seem to be trying so very hard to turn _Trek_ into Disney _Star Wars_ . I say "go all-out or go home." There's no risk at this point.
Star Trek: Strapon. This show is such fuggin’ trash.
Pondimus Maximus Star Trek: Pegging
How to write scripts for TV as a true SJW/LGBT activist:
Step 1 - Yell "REPRESENTATION"
Step 2 - Forget to include men.
Job done.
This show should be called STC, you know what the C stands for
Cancer, crap or cancelled
@@TheBungle699 or cunts
star trek cringe
1:25
The true genius of this iteration of Star Trek is that it's an alternate universe where the franchise sucks. Mission accomplished.
A female character stating that men have "tiny male brains" is not feminism, it is sexism against men aka misandry. Stuff like that is why, while I support equal rights for women, I am against the contemporary wave of 4th wave feminism which is really just a hate group against men. Think about it, if a male character said that the women had "tiny female brains:" on this show, there would be outrage, for true equality, a female character saying that about a man should cause the same kind of outrage, people need to start calling out sexism against men for what it is and stop supporting movies and TV shows that promote it.
Honestly, the writing on this show seems like these four women got together and vented to each other about every single negative experience that they’ve had in Hollywood, real or imagined, and then wrote out a revenge fan fic set in the Star Trek universe.
"revenge fanfic" is an apt summation of most bastardised media in the last 10 years
Holy crap. I mean, they basically admitted that it's important to them that they have a show not just where women are involved, but that *only* women run it, and no men.
The first rule of feminism is very simple: Anything predominantly enjoyed by women is a woman's space and men need to accept that. Anything predominantly enjoyed by men is a problem that needs to be fixed and changed to appeal more to men.
That's the primary rule of feminism from the second wave on.
And this is WHY i dont watch this show
Because you are a sexist piece of shit?
Okay then I’m definitely NOT watching this rather watch The Orville or Star Trek TNG
Ahhh, I see you are a man of good taste and cultured to boot
Most of the clips are way out of context, and some of them are from a parody video.
@@niicommey4117 Which of those scenes are from a parody video?
@@niicommey4117 P.S. I believe the clips you are referring to are from a Short Treks episode, which is not a parody.
Dear writers...
Who hurt you?
I can barely watch highlights of this show, let alone actually sit through it. The Special effects and set design look interesting, but god the rest looks insufferably cringe. Star Trek always had strong female characters but they were always realistic. Get those shitty feminist writers out of there please
Why would they waste such beautiful VFX on this garbage story? Seriously, each episode looks like a movie, but its just so shit thematically.
How do these kinds of hacks keep getting hired??? It baffles me to no end
"I love that Star Trek Discovery is this woman's journey" excuse me, did you watch Voyager? Didn't you see a female captain, half an hour into her first mission, get thrown hundreds of light years away from everything she knew and lose half her crew, and didn't you watch over the next couple years how she and everybody under her leadership fucking thrived?
Janeway's the worst example of a good female Trek character because she's a raving psychopath that got her crew stranded being an idiot. DS9's female characters were far better handled.
@@BlazingOwnager
You may not like her and some episode were bad but she wasn’t a psychopath. Unlike Mickey Spock and Bat woman. Now that’s how you write a psychopath.
Seven of Nine had a really good journey too, embracing her humanity and learning to cope with the imperfect humans. Not to mention she was about as intelligent as the ship's computer and possessed a great deal of physical strength. There's a strong female character for you. I really don't know what these writers are thinking, presenting themselves as pioneers of equality in writing.
Star trek has never talked down to women. This is such a regression.
Imagine if the men in this show treated the women this way. Think it would still be funny? This is why I don't watch garbage like this because it's always a one-way street. None of the former Trek franchises ever treated women like this, yet somehow they think it's acceptable to treat men like idiots. This is why sjw's and feminists are so despised... because they don't really want equality. They want superiority.
Voyager, a female captain...who was strong leader, mother figure, able to express emotions and control them. An engineer who was better qualified to be the chief engineer that any male on the ship. An ex-borg, learning what it means to be human who develops her own identity despite difficulties and setbacks. Discovery, a girl with a screwed up childhood who makes mistakes, bad choices and who didn't really develop or change much. A nervous girl who was smart, but no matter how much others helped, she didn't really get much better. A captain from a mirror universe, who by design is a negative example of how to act. And the klingon woman...well she just didn't look or act the way klingons look or act. Where exactly was the positive female representation there? And why the hell were there only 4 people in a room deciding the fate of star trek? That is too much power for just 4 people, no matter what gender they are!
3:40 was done better in Austin Powers.
I see you got a shout out from Computing Forever!
Yes, on November 14, Computing Forever uploaded a video titled "The Wokeness of Modern Star Trek" which makes extensive reference to Major Grin's excellent video "The Difference Between TNG and Star Trek Discovery / Short Trek".
BEHOLD THE DEATH OF STAR TREK
I see your clips, but I ask myself,
"Does anyone actually watch this show?"
The people who think like this don't watch SF, so unless there are a lot of SF fans who like to be insulted continuously, who's watching?
ArchEnema 67 a year or so ago I met an Sjw (dyed red hair , entitlement ,the whole shtick) and she said her boyfriend watched the show....
so it might just be cucks
Henry most likely, and guys into bdsm
apparently all the Astroturfers on r/startrek
ArchEnema 67 nope tried it’s a bunch of crap
Brick Schitthouse Half the clips are from season 2, so it’s definitely still as rife there as it was in season 1.
This is not a futuristic meritocracy, it is Animal Farm TNG.
You know these female writers really haven't felt much success if they always have to make women the smart and always correct ones, always proving the men wrong or upstaging them. Just a fantasy that will never come true just like Star Trek itself, but at least the old Star Trek was good and not blatantly sexist.
Voyager exists and is a better show than this and has better messages of equality by just simply showing people of all races and genders working together
Wow, those scenes with the "Captain" wearing the yellow uniform looks like she's 28 and part of a sorority at a local college.
It's not an empowerment, it's a pure sexism
I cant even react seriously to this anymore so here goes:
"Get on your knees spock"
"No, you get on your knees"
Or
"Get on your knees spock ..... now turn around"
what a dumpster fire of a show
I am more enthusiastic for The Orville than ST:D especially since The Orville is currently the closest thing we have to proper Star Trek.
Let's just say that in almost all shows and films, men do not have to stoop so low to be powerful. No need to attack the other sex to boost egos. As a matter of fact, many who are written as heroes, never once attack women at all. This is mostly sexism being preached as positive, trying to normalize abusive behavior. Virtue signaling pukes at their finest. Nope. I am glad I have not watched it. I was waiting. But now I am not going to bother. Thanks for that.
Anyone who elevates themselves by tearing other people down do not deserve to be "empowered". A truly empowered person stands on their own achievements and their own merit.
The character of Major/Col. Kira Nerys of Star Trek Deep Space Nine was a competent, strong, intelligent, & beautiful military officer (as well as a complete “badass”!”) and not once did she degrade men or had to remind everyone that she was a powerful woman presence. The characters they created for this new Star Trek are garbage and don’t hold a dim light to any of the past Star Treks .
Star Trek: Female Supremacy Edition :P
I'm all for enjoying a woman's journey when it involves good writing and interesting characters. This show has neither, just trendy lighting, music video editing, and a lead who is nearly flawless and therefore extremely boring.
1:32 Control Leland: Women stop talking.
Me: Even the A.I. in this show wants them to shut up.
Why are we here? Just to suffer?
Woman want to be congratulated for going poopy in potty.
0:06 "Tiny male brains". The male brain in humans is larger than the female, although brain size is a poor metric for intelligence: Einstein's brain was smaller than average.
Also, "you can't rely on sensors"???? What?!
4 women sat down in a room to decide the fate of Star Trek without male supervision, and what was the result...yum yum. lmao
"It's made of our shit, you know."
I know the "Kelvin Timeline" film trilogy has its fair share of detractors and critics, many of whom I love, such as the Critical Drinker. But let's be honest. They're fun, they're exciting, they're emotional, they show great strong characters who respect and balance each other, and they're ONE MILLION TIMES BETTER than this woke Discovery/Short Trek/Picard garbage!!!
Ah, at last! A man of culture.
^ This.
They may be dumb but they usually dont insult characters over and over
I agree. The Kelvin Timeline was my introduction to Star Trek and that made me watch The Original Series and its movies. The characters were great in the Kelvin Timeline and it reminded me of the Original Series characters. There was a family dynamic to the crew for both versions and they were all working together to solve problems. That's what Star Trek is. People that are different from one another, but all in a starship going on adventures in space. That's Gene Roddenberry's dream. This show is just an atrocity to something he created.
Good lord, this show's writing is so terrible.
.. That woman transfering Archer Bob acts like a spoiled brat, not like a captain of a star ship... Are you kidding me
Star Trek - Use intellect when resolving problems with other individuals.
Shit Parody - Use basic emotions, preferably arrogance, anger and condescension.
Oh well.
It is so nice from those men to let these women to write the script.
"I want to direct this series to talk about my personal issues. I got alot of those, they're very important. This show will be all about them."
what junk
The biggest irony in ALL of this is (anyone who's watched these episodes will know) is that the men mostly want to do things by the book, they do what you would think is logical like reading sensors, following the prime derective, try to engineer a solution etc and the women characters belittle them. Everything goes to shit because the women characters went for the "feelings" instead of "facts" route but ALWAYS some crazy bullshit ends up saving their skin and not calculated problem solving and forward thinking. If you want to make women look good why not make them the logical calculated forward thinkers? And make the men emotional off the rails crew members? They weren't even 100% effective at making the men look useless. They can't get anything right. All these episodes are like how in SW TLJ Poe Dameron begs Holdo to tell him the plan but she doesnt so he resorts to drastic action which through some bullshit turns out is the wrong move. Even though if Holdo put aside feelings she could have stopped a mutiny occuring.
Yum yum.
:))))))
Seriously, i liked that character... right up until that point.
Guinan comes to mind when I see this cringe fest. She was the wisest, oldest, and probably smartest person on the Enterprise, but her wisdom didn't come from belittling others. Plus, she was a black woman, but that was an insignificant part of her character arc. If there was a centuries old wise black female character on Discovery, I'm sure she'd be a finger snapping, head bobbing caricature who dunks on all the dumb white men at every opportunity.
litreally propaganda
And now Star Trek is dead, just like Star Wars, where "The Force is Female". This is what happens when you let villains write hero stories.
I'm definitely not wasting my time on this show.
Cardinal rule of Discovery... a man may never win aginst woman in a fight even if he's twice her size with three times her strength.