not for this script obviously, but if the summoner picks the puzzle drunk, is that just a drunk demon for the rest of the game now? :) Also if the puzzlemaster guesses correctly before the demon is summoned, I guess they learn that nobody is the demon?
What happens if the Summoner creates Lil' Monsta? Does the chosen player hold the baby on night 3? Do the minions choose who holds the baby on night 3? Does the chosen player become a minion or evil?
That N3 was ROUGH. Killed the Damsel, and then didn't Po charge at the optimal time. In Final 3, Nicky could've dropped. If it only gets 3 votes (ie someone realized and stepped in) the evil team would've had an automatic win.
There's a lot of characters that are like that where it's "X but Y" like "On death, you become super powerful by voting/converting/learning target/learning demon"
I was wondering, obviously normal goon and summoner interaction is sad times for both. but with the poppy grower jinx, since the summoner isn't actually choosing a player. Can the ST choose to change the goon into the demon If they wanted to?
The answer to this is Yes but don't, in the sense that the ST can do that but they'd have to inform the players they're running it counter to how it actually works. It's in the Goon's interest in a Summoner script to openly play mercenary, since they're going to lose with the Summoner if they don't, so it's not that big of a sad time. Best way to do it with a Goon or Summoner who is new to the Summoner to grab them at some point and explain the interaction to them, i.e. grab the Goon and tell them "Just so you're aware, if a Summoner chooses you N3 you're losing with them". Only explain this explicitly to a Summoner who you know got a hard Goon claim from the Goon, since players should be allowed to make mistakes.
15:51 I find most Russians actually like the stereotypes, because they make us look tough when in reality we're just a bunch of village people, and many find that funny. I certainly don't take offense to it.
do you mean, alive, because thats just a reverse Oracle. but if you mean the player count in general then I can see that being useful with roles that add evil, like mez, BH, fang gu, so very very niche and very amnesiac
Yeah there's a lot of games featured on this channel where good just kinda gives up and I think it's cause they all play clocktower so much individual games don't matter to them anymore, which is kinda lame for a viewer experience. Like I don't think Patryk ever claimed their role to Ryan there, so that's just one of several artist questions that Ryan could've asked at the behest of the dead good team to figure out how to prove themselves as the philo-artist instead of just asking if the obvious demon (from their perspective) is the demon which is what every fake artist asks.
I have not really enjoyed watching Summoner games. Half of the roles feel useless without a demon in game, and evil can't really show strategy early. May be super fun to play with but not the best watching.
I personally would have shown JC that Naya is good so it might incorrectly make him think that her information is good as well. That way it should probably keep the summoner alive for a few days.
When will we have new official scripts instead of new experimental character release🤣 Well-balanced and interesting scripts are really such a rarity now....
One thing I'm not sure of from the starting explanation between Summoner and Poppy Grower; if the Poppy Grower is killed _after_ the demon is created, do the minions learn the demon (and vice-versa) in line with normal Poppy Grower behaviour, or does the Summoner behaviour override that, even though it's essentially a "normal" game at the point of death of the Poppy Grower in this scenario?
Wouldn't Summoner and Magician also need a jinx? Othervise Summoner can immediately tell who magician is and other minions could easily out themselves before talking to summoner. Something like:"If summoner and magician are in play, all minions learn magician as a additional fellow minion, instead of a demon.".
You already stumbled onto why there is no jinx. In games with multiple minions, this will most likely be able to fool any non-Summoner minions. the Summoner knows there is no demon in play, but other minions will receive the Magician's name and no other demon and think that player is part of the evil team (and no Magician is in play.) Summoner needs to intercept the conversation as soon as possible to prevent that from happening. The two characters still interact, almost entirely as they were intended to work.
I did point it out, since it's clear they do work as written. I just feel like its not the best. Minion outing very early punishes evil heavily and the uncertainty around magician is cleared easily. But maybe it's just me.
@@icymoonsThis works precisely once, if ever. If you see magician and summoner on the same script as a minion you are never going to talk to that demon until after talking to your fellow minion(s). It's not a question of interception. It's a question of not being dense.
@@DasGanon That makes no sense. Magician affects demon and minion info. A Summoner does not change that nor does it change when demon/minion info goes out. That happens N1. Summoner does not cause a second instance on N3.
@@Dragonatrix no you correctly pointed that out. I for some reason thought it worked like that. Despite literally watching a video where they just said "Demon knows nothing, Summoner knows demon, other minions know nothing" when demon is created by Summoner
you can either homebrew the character or use the amnesiac to play with that character idea. there may be some legal gray area that makes crowdsourcing character ideas from the playerbase a bad idea
@@icymoons While game mechanics are generally not copyrightable, character concepts can be so creators generally stay away from homebrew characters in games or fanfiction in general.
What an incredible first summoner game! I would have thought it would be hard to get such a good game first try with the summoner
HAHAHA as soon as Naya asked "if your character got arrested what would the crime be" I immediately said fraud as well
REJOICE! A summoner game on youtube!
REJOICE!
REJOICE!
No rolls barred has had one up for over a week
REJOICE!
REJOICE!
Next character reveal:
The Ryan - Does nothing for the game and is proud of it.
Shh, nobody talk about the first game that didn't make the cut! 🤣
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@@hardclaim It was your fault, Sam!
You were the chosen one!
@@TheGrimoireGG There was no chosen one...hence we have this video instead!
But It's my script so I'm not complaining ;)
...or the second. Or the third, in fact. 😅 This is the fourth try.
well, i for one can say I really want to hear you talk about it now 😂
I think the title of the script really works for this game :)
not for this script obviously, but if the summoner picks the puzzle drunk, is that just a drunk demon for the rest of the game now? :)
Also if the puzzlemaster guesses correctly before the demon is summoned, I guess they learn that nobody is the demon?
Correct on both counts - Ben
Thankful that TPI likes my script!
The Chiz gossips are on another level
What happens if the Summoner creates Lil' Monsta? Does the chosen player hold the baby on night 3? Do the minions choose who holds the baby on night 3? Does the chosen player become a minion or evil?
I would think they become an evil minion holding the lil monsta. Similar to engineer or pit hag creating lil monsta.
I love how you skip from the explanation to the awesome game 3 weeks later, he he.
A demon that can kill during the day, you say, Edd?
I mean that already exists. Yaggababble.
That N3 was ROUGH. Killed the Damsel, and then didn't Po charge at the optimal time.
In Final 3, Nicky could've dropped. If it only gets 3 votes (ie someone realized and stepped in) the evil team would've had an automatic win.
i like how this is like the kazali, but minion
There's a lot of characters that are like that where it's "X but Y" like "On death, you become super powerful by voting/converting/learning target/learning demon"
I was wondering, obviously normal goon and summoner interaction is sad times for both. but with the poppy grower jinx, since the summoner isn't actually choosing a player. Can the ST choose to change the goon into the demon If they wanted to?
The answer to this is Yes but don't, in the sense that the ST can do that but they'd have to inform the players they're running it counter to how it actually works.
It's in the Goon's interest in a Summoner script to openly play mercenary, since they're going to lose with the Summoner if they don't, so it's not that big of a sad time. Best way to do it with a Goon or Summoner who is new to the Summoner to grab them at some point and explain the interaction to them, i.e. grab the Goon and tell them "Just so you're aware, if a Summoner chooses you N3 you're losing with them". Only explain this explicitly to a Summoner who you know got a hard Goon claim from the Goon, since players should be allowed to make mistakes.
15:51 I find most Russians actually like the stereotypes, because they make us look tough when in reality we're just a bunch of village people, and many find that funny. I certainly don't take offense to it.
Истину глаголишь.
@@crab_with_no_legs Я не против того, чтобы меня на западе называли алкашом. Главное, чтобы не связывали меня с моим государством.
That's the best fortune teller! Found the demon on night 3
Как абсолютно Русский зритель игры "Кровь На Часовой Башне", я хочу публично заявить, что я совсем не обижан шуткой на 16:05 .
1:20:02 Truer words...
Even when Sam isn't evil, i still see him as evil
I love Aggies laugh
I never seen good throw it away so bad by giving away all the info but adding "I could be evil"
Amne idea:
Each night, learn either how many good or how many evil players are in the game
do you mean, alive, because thats just a reverse Oracle. but if you mean the player count in general then I can see that being useful with roles that add evil, like mez, BH, fang gu, so very very niche and very amnesiac
@@icymoons player count, especially with the kizali and summoner, it can eliminate worlds once bingoed
@@cheesiestmaster879 Especially fun with Goon or Legion on the script.
Man, the good team really wasnt interested in discovering this one, heh! They were destroyed and never even reacted...
They just wanted it to be over.
Yeah there's a lot of games featured on this channel where good just kinda gives up and I think it's cause they all play clocktower so much individual games don't matter to them anymore, which is kinda lame for a viewer experience. Like I don't think Patryk ever claimed their role to Ryan there, so that's just one of several artist questions that Ryan could've asked at the behest of the dead good team to figure out how to prove themselves as the philo-artist instead of just asking if the obvious demon (from their perspective) is the demon which is what every fake artist asks.
You have Day 2 twice on your time stamps FYI.
Thanks for spotting that. it should be fixed now. - Ben
I have not really enjoyed watching Summoner games. Half of the roles feel useless without a demon in game, and evil can't really show strategy early. May be super fun to play with but not the best watching.
I personally would have shown JC that Naya is good so it might incorrectly make him think that her information is good as well. That way it should probably keep the summoner alive for a few days.
In which world is it fun to not use your ability? Ryan seems to be the Lunatic instead of the Philosopher.
Wasn't the lower o gossip correct in Po? Or did it mean the player's first name?
Basic assumption with Name-Gossips is player name.
Damsel with no huntsman feels really harsh
When will we have new official scripts instead of new experimental character release🤣 Well-balanced and interesting scripts are really such a rarity now....
I would have gone with New York for what area a "seamstress" is fun. Or maybe Milan.
One thing I'm not sure of from the starting explanation between Summoner and Poppy Grower; if the Poppy Grower is killed _after_ the demon is created, do the minions learn the demon (and vice-versa) in line with normal Poppy Grower behaviour, or does the Summoner behaviour override that, even though it's essentially a "normal" game at the point of death of the Poppy Grower in this scenario?
If the Poppy Grower is killed then the Demons and Minions do learn each other
When the Poppy Grower dies, minion and demon players learn who each other are that night, as normal.
Given how eager they are for the Summoner to work this time, those bluffs are a bit rough!
Wouldn't Summoner and Magician also need a jinx? Othervise Summoner can immediately tell who magician is and other minions could easily out themselves before talking to summoner. Something like:"If summoner and magician are in play, all minions learn magician as a additional fellow minion, instead of a demon.".
You already stumbled onto why there is no jinx. In games with multiple minions, this will most likely be able to fool any non-Summoner minions. the Summoner knows there is no demon in play, but other minions will receive the Magician's name and no other demon and think that player is part of the evil team (and no Magician is in play.) Summoner needs to intercept the conversation as soon as possible to prevent that from happening. The two characters still interact, almost entirely as they were intended to work.
I did point it out, since it's clear they do work as written. I just feel like its not the best. Minion outing very early punishes evil heavily and the uncertainty around magician is cleared easily. But maybe it's just me.
@@icymoonsThis works precisely once, if ever. If you see magician and summoner on the same script as a minion you are never going to talk to that demon until after talking to your fellow minion(s). It's not a question of interception. It's a question of not being dense.
@@DasGanon That makes no sense. Magician affects demon and minion info. A Summoner does not change that nor does it change when demon/minion info goes out. That happens N1. Summoner does not cause a second instance on N3.
@@Dragonatrix no you correctly pointed that out. I for some reason thought it worked like that. Despite literally watching a video where they just said "Demon knows nothing, Summoner knows demon, other minions know nothing" when demon is created by Summoner
if courtier chooses summoner N2, does the game end immediately or not until the summoner acts N3
I think on the off chance the Courtier dies the game would continue. Either by execution or any other extra deaths.
And goon just loses the game for evil lol
Is there a place to submit character ideas? I looked at the site and didn't notice one.
you can either homebrew the character or use the amnesiac to play with that character idea. there may be some legal gray area that makes crowdsourcing character ideas from the playerbase a bad idea
@@icymoons While game mechanics are generally not copyrightable, character concepts can be so creators generally stay away from homebrew characters in games or fanfiction in general.
Damsel with no huntsman?
The Huntsman always adds a Damsel, but the Damsel can exist without the Huntsman.
Wow. What a mess
What do you mean?
@@MelodiCat753 The game was carnage the whole way