Perfect instructions, perfect demonstration of the work we need to do in order to achieve the results we may want! My next question is, after EAC do you recommend the 3M wax?
Thanks. Yes and no. It's good but Flagship is better (in my opinion) fire Glaze, even better. Make sure to clean the gelcoat to remove any oils before applying any "wax" Lee
I mean, if you watch any number of my videos, primarily, I use one pad to compound an average boat. If she's toasted, sometimes 2 (one for the Super-Duty and one for normal compounds) When are the pads toast? When you can't hide your fingernails in the pile of fibers because they're too short. When the backing rib is exposed and starts to touch the boat. When the surface can't be made to sit flat/flush with the surface because the edges have all been worn down but the middle is still fluffy. My pads tend to last about a month and a half (doing a boat a day) New people will cut that in half or even a quarter of the time because they abuse the pads and wear them down too quickly. You might keep an old pad around to get into small spots or to polish stainless or plastic. You won't be worried about ruining it by doing so. Lee
I assumed you might get what you needed in a better way by seeing it. Sometimes I play for the camera and do 3 steps in one spot before moving on but it's less efficient than just running front to back with one product/technique then switching to the next one and so on. Not shutting off the camera while all 3-6 steps are being performed, allows people to see a little more of what I see and how I think when looking at the surface afterwards. In most cases, I pick sections to hit at a time and there, I'll use 1 product and then the next while not doing the whole boat, just that section but then never touching it again from the last time I touched it. Otherwise, I do an entire top-side or hull-side with whatever is needed then whatever is needed next. It all, ALL depends on the boat and how much time I have in the light I need. A hard question to answer I'm afraid. Lee
ua-cam.com/video/ky-qHYzJlo4/v-deo.html Go slow until you're able to fully control the buffer. Speed is irrelevant for the most part, I show off with it. There can be an advance in some circumstances however it's dangerous and risky to both you and the boat to go as fast as I do so please, keep it slow till you get comfortable with the process and your control over the tool. 600-800 rpm works just fine. Lee
Hey Lee, as always great video and instructions! Going at the SeaRay today, I have done some test spots with Heavy Cut and Perfect it, looks okay but will be trying the Super Duty, very carefully to remove all of the oxidation (I hope) and follow up with the other two products. Thanks for all the tips! Here goes👍
I wish I bought this instead of Maguires marine compound and polish. I’m using a 7 inch rotary on a jet ski🙃 I watched a few of your videos and got distracted and bought that 7 inch rotary forgetting I have a jet ski and it’s all white. Hard to see much of a difference but maybe in the sun it will look better. I can’t find any of your vids that do a white boat. Do you have a video on it?
Why does the color matter? The steps are the same, it's gelcoat. The only difference is what you're able to see in a reflection. In dark colors, you'll see more detail but on white, the same steps, result in the same shine. ua-cam.com/video/KNPTfuYp_Bg/v-deo.html white gelcoat ua-cam.com/video/9PFT1hJhYFQ/v-deo.html White gelcoat ua-cam.com/video/FXX1rtmTfV0/v-deo.html You can buy a 4" pad and some SPTA buffing spindle extenders. www.amazon.com/Maxshine-Stainless-Steel-Rotary-Extension/dp/B074WP8WDQ/ref=asc_df_B074WP8WDQ/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312176482001&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=11535556453808530905&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1027744&hvtargid=pla-570151025429&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=68995954464&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=312176482001&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=11535556453808530905&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1027744&hvtargid=pla-570151025429 Color is irrelevant. I demo on dark colors specifically because dark colors show all the swirls and scratches. If I can do a black boat with a rotary and a gritty compound, without leaving swirls, it should be easier on white to hide these things. The process and techniques are the same regardless of the color.
Bro, I have a Cobalt with those shitty emblems as well. You have a video or tip or tool that you use to get in those micro gaps that are the wreath or name badge? I was thinking Dremel with small cotton polishing pad… Totally dig the vibe and videos.
Hi, thanks. I have a few in the 300+ videos. If you want to use a dremel, here's a method but they can be done with a buffer, just takes more elbow and practice. ua-cam.com/video/9fN9Ljauz2Y/v-deo.html There are videos of that style too. Good luck
Hi Lee, love the informative and great work videos.. I am wondering if there is a way to send you pics of my amateur detail on my boat? I have questions on what I need to do next. I have before and after pics and used 3M Heavy cut.. not all oxidation has come out..I was scared that I was going to go too far and screw up the surface..It is ok but not to my liking and I'm (almost) embarrassed to show you. Any and all input is greatly appreciated. Thanks Tj from INDY
Hi TJ. On my channel, in the "about me" section, you'll see contact info. Don't be embarrassed, you're doing it, impressive in itself. Gelcoat is thicker than car paint by a goodly amount. Go for another pass. Are you using a 3m wool pad? If not, that can be an issue.
Glad I found you..Great videos i did notice you always use a white pad for all your compounds. Does the yellow 3m pad ever come into play with the EX AC?
1,400, double that (almost) 3,600 Just keep it slow until you feel so confident that at full speed, you aren't going to screw up. Slow is safe and does the same thing. I go fast to show off and enjoy knowing that other youtube boat detailers, can't. The speed might save me an hour on a 21' hull but it isn't what I teach, it isn't what anyone should be doing until years are under their belt on gelcoat.
I noticed you go slower on the edge of the wheel, with your first few passes (speed?). Then you take the speed up with the pad flat. (speed?). Thanks. My old boat has decals, afraid it may pull them off. How to deal with?
Go slow. Follow the process but don't go fast, it works @ 600 rpm just as well as what I do. The only difference is 17 years of practice on my part. Unless you have a confidence and the knowledge behind the buffer, going fast will hurt either your boat or you. Go slow. You can always tape off your decals but generally, don't worry about them. Pay attention to them but don't worry. Keep moving and avoid heat building up on the surface of the decals and putting the buffer up on an edge, on them. Lessen the pressure a bit and use more time, to replace more effort. Good luck.
Hey Lee. Great videos. I’m curious about the super duty and heavy cut compounds, as 3M states that the heavy cut removes p800 and finer, whereas the Super Duty states p1000 and finer. I’m assuming that they perform differently in the real world and that is why you use the S-D and then the heavy cut. Can you clarify? Also, really hope you can get 3M to narrow down their compound/polishes. Seems like a lot of the same product in different coloured bottles. Overly confusing and has been keeping me away from their products.
Yes, they say conflicting things. I think that SD can pull 800 and HC can do 1000 but it's like having a carpenter's hammer or a farmer's Hamer. I can't tell the difference but a guy who swings one all day could. Not sure why they don't a mend that but I also agree that the line is way to spread out currently. I'm working on it sir. Thanks for the comment and kind words. Lee
Great video as usual. Thanks for the clear instructions. Can you comment on the amount of pressure are applying as well as the speed when you start (~600rpm) and finish (~2200rpm)?
Don't focus on the speed. Slow will be a sure way to get a perfect finish. When I go slow, it's to show off, other youtube detailers can't do it so it's fun for me. Pressure... Enough to hold a basketball underwater? A little less. I don't generally try to fight my buffer. I let it work in an easy to control way. If you're stiff your work will be too. Just enough.. (bad answer I know) I run/train people to go slow, in control of the machine like leading in a dance. Allow the buffer to tell you things as well as listen? It all depends, there's no one way to attack gelcoat, it's different on almost every boat.
Need to? Only if you don't trust yourself. Also if you are worried about the dust from the Super-Duty but like I said, do as I say, not as I do. I'm a brute. 😅 It's a good idea to and it help you see what's laying under all that smudged compound. Good catch. Sorry for going lazy.
Practice. LoL. Not fighting the buffer, listening/feeling what the wheel is reacting to on the surface, staying onv the same plane per pass, evenly and perfectly flat. Slow or fast, same thoughts are in my head and hands. In my "class" I teach you how to, what to look, listen and feel for, or I try to. My students get some stuff I'll never post publicly (unless paid well to do so) I need to keep some things a secret or Drake or Simon might actually get as good as me. (pause) 🤣😅😜😁 (offered him a free class before, he didn't accept)
@@Local_Boydidgood how much is your class? i have a few years of experience with the rotary but i still need to use the flex to get a swirl free finish.
I charge $500 for up to 3 days. The product you're "buying" is the ability to look at every boat you see and just know, "I got that". I teach how to eliminate swirls in compounding (95% at least) and then how to easily get rid of them, if any exist. If you learn it in 2 days, great. 1 day, outstanding but I offer up to 3 days to learn it. I have a beautiful location and many, many boats to train on. I'm patient and involved. I correct, reward and shame you into doing it right. I'm a friendly drill instructor.
@@Local_Boydidgood Thank you for prompt response. I am currently a detail business owner and very busy until Sept. , Oct. My thinking was to get on your calendar for the slower time of the year. When would it be convenient for you to have me come down to visit? Is there a cost and if so how much? Do I need to bring my own tools etc.?
All you people are crazy! 😜 I guess I'm happy to be included amongst you guys. 😊 I'm aware that I'm gruff and curt and slightly grumpy all the time. While I like to THINK I'm a nice guy in person, I watch these and sometimes say "Wow, I'm a dick" lol. This is why I won't monetize. I like being me without the training wheels UA-cam would saddle me with if I was working for them. I'm truly blessed and proud of all you guys who are able to sit through these and honored when people take this info and kill their boats with their buffer and let me know how well it worked out. I can't tell you how that makes me feel but "Good" covers most of it. Thanks to you specifically for tossing me some, much luv on cobaltchat.com. You've helped. Thanks Terry.
Perfect instructions, perfect demonstration of the work we need to do in order to achieve the results we may want! My next question is, after EAC do you recommend the 3M wax?
Thanks. Yes and no. It's good but Flagship is better (in my opinion) fire Glaze, even better.
Make sure to clean the gelcoat to remove any oils before applying any "wax"
Lee
Lee how many pads do you use per boat? Let’s say an average bow rider. Also how do I know when my pad’s ready to be tossed? Thanks
I mean, if you watch any number of my videos, primarily, I use one pad to compound an average boat. If she's toasted, sometimes 2 (one for the Super-Duty and one for normal compounds)
When are the pads toast?
When you can't hide your fingernails in the pile of fibers because they're too short.
When the backing rib is exposed and starts to touch the boat.
When the surface can't be made to sit flat/flush with the surface because the edges have all been worn down but the middle is still fluffy.
My pads tend to last about a month and a half (doing a boat a day) New people will cut that in half or even a quarter of the time because they abuse the pads and wear them down too quickly.
You might keep an old pad around to get into small spots or to polish stainless or plastic. You won't be worried about ruining it by doing so.
Lee
Nice demonstration Lee. Answered a lot of my questions. You know im a guy with many questions 🤷♂️😂
I assumed you might get what you needed in a better way by seeing it.
Sometimes I play for the camera and do 3 steps in one spot before moving on but it's less efficient than just running front to back with one product/technique then switching to the next one and so on. Not shutting off the camera while all 3-6 steps are being performed, allows people to see a little more of what I see and how I think when looking at the surface afterwards.
In most cases, I pick sections to hit at a time and there, I'll use 1 product and then the next while not doing the whole boat, just that section but then never touching it again from the last time I touched it. Otherwise, I do an entire top-side or hull-side with whatever is needed then whatever is needed next. It all, ALL depends on the boat and how much time I have in the light I need. A hard question to answer I'm afraid.
Lee
What speed do you use with your buffer
ua-cam.com/video/ky-qHYzJlo4/v-deo.html
Go slow until you're able to fully control the buffer.
Speed is irrelevant for the most part, I show off with it. There can be an advance in some circumstances however it's dangerous and risky to both you and the boat to go as fast as I do so please, keep it slow till you get comfortable with the process and your control over the tool.
600-800 rpm works just fine.
Lee
Hey Lee, as always great video and instructions! Going at the SeaRay today, I have done some test spots with Heavy Cut and Perfect it, looks okay but will be trying the Super Duty, very carefully to remove all of the oxidation (I hope) and follow up with the other two products. Thanks for all the tips! Here goes👍
Good luck. I'll be around if you need a question answered.
I wish I bought this instead of Maguires marine compound and polish. I’m using a 7 inch rotary on a jet ski🙃 I watched a few of your videos and got distracted and bought that 7 inch rotary forgetting I have a jet ski and it’s all white. Hard to see much of a difference but maybe in the sun it will look better. I can’t find any of your vids that do a white boat. Do you have a video on it?
Why does the color matter? The steps are the same, it's gelcoat. The only difference is what you're able to see in a reflection. In dark colors, you'll see more detail but on white, the same steps, result in the same shine.
ua-cam.com/video/KNPTfuYp_Bg/v-deo.html
white gelcoat
ua-cam.com/video/9PFT1hJhYFQ/v-deo.html
White gelcoat
ua-cam.com/video/FXX1rtmTfV0/v-deo.html
You can buy a 4" pad and some SPTA buffing spindle extenders. www.amazon.com/Maxshine-Stainless-Steel-Rotary-Extension/dp/B074WP8WDQ/ref=asc_df_B074WP8WDQ/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312176482001&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=11535556453808530905&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1027744&hvtargid=pla-570151025429&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=68995954464&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=312176482001&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=11535556453808530905&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1027744&hvtargid=pla-570151025429
Color is irrelevant. I demo on dark colors specifically because dark colors show all the swirls and scratches. If I can do a black boat with a rotary and a gritty compound, without leaving swirls, it should be easier on white to hide these things.
The process and techniques are the same regardless of the color.
Bro, I have a Cobalt with those shitty emblems as well. You have a video or tip or tool that you use to get in those micro gaps that are the wreath or name badge? I was thinking Dremel with small cotton polishing pad…
Totally dig the vibe and videos.
Hi, thanks. I have a few in the 300+ videos. If you want to use a dremel, here's a method but they can be done with a buffer, just takes more elbow and practice.
ua-cam.com/video/9fN9Ljauz2Y/v-deo.html
There are videos of that style too.
Good luck
Hi Lee, love the informative and great work videos.. I am wondering if there is a way to send you pics of my amateur detail on my boat? I have questions on what I need to do next. I have before and after pics and used 3M Heavy cut.. not all oxidation has come out..I was scared that I was going to go too far and screw up the surface..It is ok but not to my liking and I'm (almost) embarrassed to show you. Any and all input is greatly appreciated. Thanks Tj from INDY
Hi TJ.
On my channel, in the "about me" section, you'll see contact info. Don't be embarrassed, you're doing it, impressive in itself.
Gelcoat is thicker than car paint by a goodly amount. Go for another pass.
Are you using a 3m wool pad? If not, that can be an issue.
Glad I found you..Great videos i did notice you always use a white pad for all your compounds. Does the yellow 3m pad ever come into play with the EX AC?
No, only for wax removal. Thanks for finding me, hope I can be of some help or inspiration at least.
Lee question, what speeds are you working here? It sounds like 600 then 1400.
1,400, double that (almost) 3,600
Just keep it slow until you feel so confident that at full speed, you aren't going to screw up. Slow is safe and does the same thing.
I go fast to show off and enjoy knowing that other youtube boat detailers, can't.
The speed might save me an hour on a 21' hull but it isn't what I teach, it isn't what anyone should be doing until years are under their belt on gelcoat.
When u ramp it up it blows my mind. How is that compound not baked into the gel?
Come and I'll show you. The things you'll be able to do/charge for... I'll make you glad you came or it's free.
I noticed you go slower on the edge of the wheel, with your first few passes (speed?). Then you take the speed up with the pad flat. (speed?). Thanks. My old boat has decals, afraid it may pull them off. How to deal with?
Go slow. Follow the process but don't go fast, it works @ 600 rpm just as well as what I do. The only difference is 17 years of practice on my part. Unless you have a confidence and the knowledge behind the buffer, going fast will hurt either your boat or you. Go slow.
You can always tape off your decals but generally, don't worry about them. Pay attention to them but don't worry. Keep moving and avoid heat building up on the surface of the decals and putting the buffer up on an edge, on them. Lessen the pressure a bit and use more time, to replace more effort.
Good luck.
@@Local_Boydidgood will do thanks
Any time.
Lee
Hey Lee. Great videos.
I’m curious about the super duty and heavy cut compounds, as 3M states that the heavy cut removes p800 and finer, whereas the Super Duty states p1000 and finer. I’m assuming that they perform differently in the real world and that is why you use the S-D and then the heavy cut.
Can you clarify?
Also, really hope you can get 3M to narrow down their compound/polishes. Seems like a lot of the same product in different coloured bottles. Overly confusing and has been keeping me away from their products.
Yes, they say conflicting things. I think that SD can pull 800 and HC can do 1000 but it's like having a carpenter's hammer or a farmer's Hamer. I can't tell the difference but a guy who swings one all day could. Not sure why they don't a mend that but I also agree that the line is way to spread out currently. I'm working on it sir.
Thanks for the comment and kind words.
Lee
@@Local_Boydidgood Thanks for the reply. Kind of figured that’s what was going on. Hope I can try these products soon. Cheers.
If you have any questions please feel free to contact me.
Lee
Great video as usual. Thanks for the clear instructions. Can you comment on the amount of pressure are applying as well as the speed when you start (~600rpm) and finish (~2200rpm)?
Don't focus on the speed. Slow will be a sure way to get a perfect finish. When I go slow, it's to show off, other youtube detailers can't do it so it's fun for me.
Pressure... Enough to hold a basketball underwater? A little less. I don't generally try to fight my buffer. I let it work in an easy to control way. If you're stiff your work will be too. Just enough.. (bad answer I know)
I run/train people to go slow, in control of the machine like leading in a dance. Allow the buffer to tell you things as well as listen?
It all depends, there's no one way to attack gelcoat, it's different on almost every boat.
@@Local_Boydidgood Thanks! This does make sense and helps out a lot. I'll give it a try! Best regards!
Anytime Super fly.
I like the look of heavy cut !! , Show me how you buff the white underneath
The white is the easy part. There's 250 videos in my boats Playlist. I'm sure you'll find one or 30 in there that'll be a help.
Hi Lee, I noticed you didn't wipe after super duty and before applying heavy cut, do I need to wipe after applying coarse to less coarse compounds?
Need to? Only if you don't trust yourself. Also if you are worried about the dust from the Super-Duty but like I said, do as I say, not as I do. I'm a brute. 😅
It's a good idea to and it help you see what's laying under all that smudged compound. Good catch. Sorry for going lazy.
@@Local_Boydidgood Copy that, thanks again!
Anytime Cali. Any time.
The master at work
You're too kind. 😚
Lee
can you please tell us the secret of getting a swirl free finish with a rotary?
Practice. LoL. Not fighting the buffer, listening/feeling what the wheel is reacting to on the surface, staying onv the same plane per pass, evenly and perfectly flat.
Slow or fast, same thoughts are in my head and hands.
In my "class" I teach you how to, what to look, listen and feel for, or I try to.
My students get some stuff I'll never post publicly (unless paid well to do so)
I need to keep some things a secret or Drake or Simon might actually get as good as me. (pause) 🤣😅😜😁
(offered him a free class before, he didn't accept)
@@Local_Boydidgood how much is your class? i have a few years of experience with the rotary but i still need to use the flex to get a swirl free finish.
I charge $500 for up to 3 days. The product you're "buying" is the ability to look at every boat you see and just know, "I got that". I teach how to eliminate swirls in compounding (95% at least) and then how to easily get rid of them, if any exist. If you learn it in 2 days, great. 1 day, outstanding but I offer up to 3 days to learn it.
I have a beautiful location and many, many boats to train on. I'm patient and involved. I correct, reward and shame you into doing it right.
I'm a friendly drill instructor.
I would like to schedule a time to come down and learn a thing or two from you. How do we do that?
My contact info is 253 228 2081
Muadeeb1865@gmail.com
@@Local_Boydidgood
Thank you for prompt response. I am currently a detail business owner and very busy until Sept. , Oct. My thinking was to get on your calendar for the slower time of the year. When would it be convenient for you to have me come down to visit? Is there a cost and if so how much? Do I need to bring my own tools etc.?
I sent you my email, hit me up and we'll find a convenient time for you.
Alwayswithacoke@hotmail.com
I like that you put your signature on “The Standard Is the Standard” at the end.
Lol. You do? I guess I never really think anyone will get to the end but thanks.
1300 people must find something interesting or they wouldn’t be here, lol
All you people are crazy! 😜 I guess I'm happy to be included amongst you guys. 😊
I'm aware that I'm gruff and curt and slightly grumpy all the time. While I like to THINK I'm a nice guy in person, I watch these and sometimes say "Wow, I'm a dick" lol.
This is why I won't monetize. I like being me without the training wheels UA-cam would saddle me with if I was working for them.
I'm truly blessed and proud of all you guys who are able to sit through these and honored when people take this info and kill their boats with their buffer and let me know how well it worked out. I can't tell you how that makes me feel but "Good" covers most of it.
Thanks to you specifically for tossing me some, much luv on cobaltchat.com.
You've helped. Thanks Terry.
Well shucks, now I’m blushing.
Can I get a 50% raise in what you’re paying me?
Well, you've earned it. Beer on me if you ever get up this way.