Jack of all trades, master of none. It's an old problem. What's happening in the university system is government and ideology is slowly pushing standardization into higher education, where it does not belong. The whole point to higher education is to create a thinker, a scientist, a dynamic investigator. Standardization means there is no need to think, experiment, investigate or learn. In higher education, as in science, nothing is settled, nothing is static.
I disagree, the stupidity in this world is because of extreme specialization and worker mentality. It's rare to find people with true global knowledge of every culture and of every topic. intelligence and problem solving in life is from the ability to tie correlations and patterns between seemingly unrelated topics.
@@musashi9873 but the truth is that most jobs do require those things ... most jobs need people to do repetitive things ... Our whole economy runs smoothly by so many stationary jobs ... unless AI could replace these jobs ... otherwise ... it is hard to change
Historian here-- this is more of a history of industrialization and public education. I think that for a better understanding of the formation of K-doctoral education in the Western world you should have started with cathedra schools in the Middle Ages. (University of Paris 1205)
Technology can't make a classroom "more human" anymore than a person can make a robot more "robotic" - - It is what it is, we are what we are. Children have been, and will continue to "learn at their own pace" even in the "Prussian/German model" - - When, in the Prussian model, a child's "pace" is SLOWER than the rest, it gets CALLED/LABELED "failure" - - but that child is STILL "learning at her/his own pace". Our SOCIETY has taken education and turned it into a place of ridicule or "promotion", "do or die", etc. but human learning still takes place in the same way (just like sexual reproduction hasn't changed) as it always has. You either get knowledge handed down/conveyed to you by someone else, or you use the technique of trial & error employed by the "School of Hard Knocks".
Class would be so much more efficient if it was the other way around. You can just 2x speed everything. Schools will save so much cost, energy or money, student's learn faster and easier etc. Hope the public education finally uses technology
Interesting concept of a more "open" path of learning that would likely accommodate the individual vs the collective approach as seen with our current system. Although there are exceptions to the rule, such as specific teachers who encourage critical thought, the current system has mainly economic influences behind it, such as creating an "obedient workforce" for all levels of the working environment: laborer, supervisor, junior manager, senior management, etc. Many educators (e.g. John Taylor Gatto, Noam Chomsky) have recounted their understanding that the grading system (letters A, B, C, etc.) is intentionally designed to evaluate obedience to specific information. This helps explain why there are so many multiple-choice exams that require memorization of specific words in a textbook in order to answer a question correctly. This rote memorization of minutiae is geared toward creating obedience in whatever the teacher/professor is giving students. This is often seen even at the undergraduate and some graduate levels of university. I believe these methods have to change or be given a serious review in order for your proposition to take effect. Your thoughts please?
@@Armando7654 supremacy rears it's ugly head yet again. As if the lesson that all people have equal value, regardless of ability or status, is a bad one.
@@teachliberation1893 Lies are bad so why wouldn't teaching lies be bad, professor? Since when are you against supremacy? You are the only supremacist in the room since you elevate yourself over and above the reality of unequal values. Some are prison, some are outside it. People are different and you need to learn to live with differences sum total of which constitutes reality. Superiority is not supremacy just because you are unable to categorize it. Superiority of differences over indifference is not "supremacy" but truth and reality. Truth is non-equatable
It would be wonderful if it really was that way. This video was published in 2012, yet here we are at the end of 2021 and the school system has still not changed. We still can't learn at our own pace which is the way it really should be!
@@King-mi5lp Wow! Thank you so much!! I will see if I can contribute as well. I am kind of new at this, but I do have some information to pass along to her from my coursework in Child and Adolescent Psychology.
Universal Public Education pre-dates the Prussian model by 150 years in Scotland. The concept of every child in society receiving a publicly funded education was introduced in Scotland from around 1600 although it wasn't fully implemented and truly universal until around 1800.
Great vid in 10 mins about the history of education. I will prefer to, when I have children, let them discover what they really like and them give them the bucket full of tools that they really need so that they can go at their own pace and pursue their passion.
@@lizzie-4011 Why is the teacher telling students they have Specific amount of time to complete the test or submit an essay or absorb the material? Go learn something
question, was the Pruss. Ed. system not made the way it is because of the failure of the millitary of those times, so they made this convayer belt like educational system that at the end of that assembly line delivered good obedient herd-thinking "robots" just look up the salute to the us as flag before 1942, doesn't it smell somewhat fishy??
I think its because of the other guy ... that this video has received so many dislikes.... he should not be telling Sal what to say in the video ... if he is not satisfied he should just make a video on his own.
@@jabel6434 thank you for the advice. I believe in education but also questioning tradition and coming to your own conclusions and beliefs. I would not just agree to one person saying something but if several sources do. Whilst not the goal of individual teachers the school system itself was originally designed to create good factory workers and has many elements still today that need to be reformed. Some schools and countries do a better job at this than others, but all still have ways to improve so they are educating thinking citizens not just good workers. That's an opinion yes, but it's shared by many including many teachers.
@@maisieliberty1319, Thanks for engaging with this. There is a mor basic issue here. Students are told by external authorities what they need to learn. The very word "education" (to bring out) is misapplied. Schooling to accepts things as they are is what happens to every generation. The number of sources is not a safe indication of the veracity of what is being said. Since you are familiar with the original purpose of schooling, are you sure that the purpose *has* changed? And why does schooling need to be compulsory?? In short, do you mostly disagree with the video because so many sources would also disagree? PS Apologies, I got confused about which video comment stream I am in. It is another video I had in mind about self-imposed ignorance: ua-cam.com/video/ii2upQ7UV8g/v-deo.html
@9:00 - See, people keep yelping about how, "Education hasn't changed in 💯+ years" and yet, at your own words, the SAME format of "teacher-lecture-student-take notes-testing-rinse-repeat" is being used, it's just placed in a different decorated box being the "Internet to the Masses". Honestly, I COMMEND YOU Mr. Khan for taking helping your younger relatives learn math to this global scale. But we have to be clear that WHAT you're DOING isn't any different than how humans have been educated since our existence.
Okay, I need to nitpick but I think it's a pretty good nitpick as nitpicks go. You're talking about the history of public school. I wanted to learn about the real history of higher education from whatever they had in ancient times, probably Greece, through the middle ages and on into the renaissance. I want to know how people attrained expertise and where the tradition of university comes from. So I did a search and your video was the only one not titled "History of public school" or something similar. So, a nitpick yeah but hopefully not too bad. Precision with your titles is good. It's a good thing. But on the bright side, I got to learn about this too. I just wonder if anyone knows about mine. There doesn't seem to be much.
How do you financially sustain the cost of the part of people going slower, maybe double the time of the "best"? You have less workforce and people getting to work at a moderately advanced part of one's life. Will you make them go at a certain speed? Apart from that, really very cool your idea. 👍
How many fallacies can one fit in a 10-minute presentation? Shall we presume that greater access to an inferior product is desirable (online education)? Shall we equate information with knowledge? Shall we accept the absurd conclusion that the internet will humanize the classroom? Does the kind of democratization of education implied here lead to excellence (or mediocrity)? Here we find another dimension of the corporatization of education, where democracy equates with affordability; and affordability equates with excellence, Q.E.D? When dealing with the enterprise of educating minds, let's make sure we keep that unit cost as low as possible.
David Dinellie Wrong, We have Tryied it Before in America, bush jr in 2002 Cut Ar Reading and 21st Century Programs that allowed Students to learn at there own pace was Cut in a Excuse, Lie being to much money. How is todays Public School Education? Pretty much a failed Experiment. Good Programs were cut. You have no idea what you are talking about. You are Assinine and So ignorant. im an Expert on Education Law.
"Superficial knowledge of a lot of things, and mastery of nothing". Feels like the definition of the current public/ university system.
Jack of all trades, master of none. It's an old problem. What's happening in the university system is government and ideology is slowly pushing standardization into higher education, where it does not belong. The whole point to higher education is to create a thinker, a scientist, a dynamic investigator. Standardization means there is no need to think, experiment, investigate or learn. In higher education, as in science, nothing is settled, nothing is static.
I disagree, the stupidity in this world is because of extreme specialization and worker mentality. It's rare to find people with true global knowledge of every culture and of every topic. intelligence and problem solving in life is from the ability to tie correlations and patterns between seemingly unrelated topics.
@@musashi9873 but the truth is that most jobs do require those things ... most jobs need people to do repetitive things ... Our whole economy runs smoothly by so many stationary jobs ... unless AI could replace these jobs ... otherwise ... it is hard to change
Historian here-- this is more of a history of industrialization and public education. I think that for a better understanding of the formation of K-doctoral education in the Western world you should have started with cathedra schools in the Middle Ages. (University of Paris 1205)
wow now that's expert. Thanks! lol
Superb overview of what got us to the brink of collapse in education.
Not collapse manufactured obedience. They don't want independent thinkers they want slaves who do not see their chains.
@@TheAdekrijgerit’s kinda ironic that independent thinkers are the ones that advance society but we praise academic high achievers
@@iam_kxyleeadvance society in which way?
Technology can't make a classroom "more human" anymore than a person can make a robot more "robotic" - - It is what it is, we are what we are.
Children have been, and will continue to "learn at their own pace" even in the "Prussian/German model" - - When, in the Prussian model, a child's "pace" is SLOWER than the rest, it gets CALLED/LABELED "failure" - - but that child is STILL "learning at her/his own pace". Our SOCIETY has taken education and turned it into a place of ridicule or "promotion", "do or die", etc. but human learning still takes place in the same way (just like sexual reproduction hasn't changed) as it always has. You either get knowledge handed down/conveyed to you by someone else, or you use the technique of trial & error employed by the "School of Hard Knocks".
true
Class would be so much more efficient if it was the other way around. You can just 2x speed everything. Schools will save so much cost, energy or money, student's learn faster and easier etc. Hope the public education finally uses technology
One of the best lessons in spite of its shortness. Thanks.
Interesting concept of a more "open" path of learning that would likely accommodate the individual vs the collective approach as seen with our current system. Although there are exceptions to the rule, such as specific teachers who encourage critical thought, the current system has mainly economic influences behind it, such as creating an "obedient workforce" for all levels of the working environment: laborer, supervisor, junior manager, senior management, etc. Many educators (e.g. John Taylor Gatto, Noam Chomsky) have recounted their understanding that the grading system (letters A, B, C, etc.) is intentionally designed to evaluate obedience to specific information. This helps explain why there are so many multiple-choice exams that require memorization of specific words in a textbook in order to answer a question correctly. This rote memorization of minutiae is geared toward creating obedience in whatever the teacher/professor is giving students. This is often seen even at the undergraduate and some graduate levels of university. I believe these methods have to change or be given a serious review in order for your proposition to take effect.
Your thoughts please?
yes you're the kind guy who would give students brownies instead of grades to conceal the truth they are unequal. You need mental help
i am currently doing some research on this topic and found your comment really helpful--thank you for pointing me towards some sources!
Well put. I feel UA-cam has really curbed all this. DIY learning is the future and I feel it is already showing the fruits of that labor.
@@Armando7654 supremacy rears it's ugly head yet again. As if the lesson that all people have equal value, regardless of ability or status, is a bad one.
@@teachliberation1893 Lies are bad so why wouldn't teaching lies be bad, professor? Since when are you against supremacy? You are the only supremacist in the room since you elevate yourself over and above the reality of unequal values. Some are prison, some are outside it. People are different and you need to learn to live with differences sum total of which constitutes reality. Superiority is not supremacy just because you are unable to categorize it. Superiority of differences over indifference is not "supremacy" but truth and reality. Truth is non-equatable
It would be wonderful if it really was that way. This video was published in 2012, yet here we are at the end of 2021 and the school system has still not changed. We still can't learn at our own pace which is the way it really should be!
@@King-mi5lp Wow! Thank you so much!! I will see if I can contribute as well. I am kind of new at this, but I do have some information to pass along to her from my coursework in Child and Adolescent Psychology.
Let's master those levels before being superficially promoted. Good stuff.
Seems like a low key advertisement for Khan Academy
Not low key at all! This guy is really biased for the Khan academy way of teaching, for some reason :0
Universal Public Education pre-dates the Prussian model by 150 years in Scotland. The concept of every child in society receiving a publicly funded education was introduced in Scotland from around 1600 although it wasn't fully implemented and truly universal until around 1800.
Great vid in 10 mins about the history of education. I will prefer to, when I have children, let them discover what they really like and them give them the bucket full of tools that they really need so that they can go at their own pace and pursue their passion.
do you even know what education is?
A: acquisition of material at SPECIFIC PACE, not at whatever pace YOU want.
@@Armando7654 Your ignorance is astounding. I cannot even begin to fathom what rationale led to you writing this comment.
@@lizzie-4011 Why is the teacher telling students they have Specific amount of time to complete the test or submit an essay or absorb the material? Go learn something
Armando7654 thank you, I will-at my own pace! :p
@@lizzie-4011 talking like a true winner, After-Classer
question, was the Pruss. Ed. system not made the way it is because of the failure of the millitary of those times, so they made this convayer belt like educational system that at the end of that assembly line delivered good obedient herd-thinking "robots" just look up the salute to the us as flag before 1942, doesn't it smell somewhat fishy??
Psalm 24 vs 24: The earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein.
I think its because of the other guy ... that this video has received so many dislikes.... he should not be telling Sal what to say in the video ... if he is not satisfied he should just make a video on his own.
I loved this. Agreed with every point :D
Maisie Liberty,
You should learn to think for yourself. Libertu does not exist without that.
@@jabel6434 thank you for the advice. I believe in education but also questioning tradition and coming to your own conclusions and beliefs. I would not just agree to one person saying something but if several sources do. Whilst not the goal of individual teachers the school system itself was originally designed to create good factory workers and has many elements still today that need to be reformed. Some schools and countries do a better job at this than others, but all still have ways to improve so they are educating thinking citizens not just good workers. That's an opinion yes, but it's shared by many including many teachers.
@@maisieliberty1319, Thanks for engaging with this.
There is a mor basic issue here. Students are told by external authorities what they need to learn.
The very word "education" (to bring out) is misapplied. Schooling to accepts things as they are is what happens to every generation.
The number of sources is not a safe indication of the veracity of what is being said.
Since you are familiar with the original purpose of schooling, are you sure that the purpose *has* changed?
And why does schooling need to be compulsory??
In short, do you mostly disagree with the video because so many sources would also disagree?
PS
Apologies, I got confused about which video comment stream I am in. It is another video I had in mind about self-imposed ignorance: ua-cam.com/video/ii2upQ7UV8g/v-deo.html
@9:00 - See, people keep yelping about how, "Education hasn't changed in 💯+ years" and yet, at your own words, the SAME format of "teacher-lecture-student-take notes-testing-rinse-repeat" is being used, it's just placed in a different decorated box being the "Internet to the Masses". Honestly, I COMMEND YOU Mr. Khan for taking helping your younger relatives learn math to this global scale. But we have to be clear that WHAT you're DOING isn't any different than how humans have been educated since our existence.
We need education bro
Okay, I need to nitpick but I think it's a pretty good nitpick as nitpicks go. You're talking about the history of public school. I wanted to learn about the real history of higher education from whatever they had in ancient times, probably Greece, through the middle ages and on into the renaissance. I want to know how people attrained expertise and where the tradition of university comes from. So I did a search and your video was the only one not titled "History of public school" or something similar. So, a nitpick yeah but hopefully not too bad. Precision with your titles is good. It's a good thing. But on the bright side, I got to learn about this too. I just wonder if anyone knows about mine. There doesn't seem to be much.
How do you financially sustain the cost of the part of people going slower, maybe double the time of the "best"? You have less workforce and people getting to work at a moderately advanced part of one's life. Will you make them go at a certain speed? Apart from that, really very cool your idea. 👍
hey! it's that same voice from Khan academy
Althought nice, its so hard to understand because of the chatting so unordered. But thanks!
I got goosebumps at the exact moment when I hear Sal's voice
Well done for the time
Damn, if this is the ten minute video on the history of education that I’ll have to beat then I won’t break a sweat, hah damn but okay..
Superficial knowledge of a lot of things, and UNDERSTANDING of nothing.
Ty very much
Prussia is now Germany, hmmm 🤔 knowledge is key 🗝️🔐
How many fallacies can one fit in a 10-minute presentation? Shall we presume that greater access to an inferior product is desirable (online education)? Shall we equate information with knowledge? Shall we accept the absurd conclusion that the internet will humanize the classroom? Does the kind of democratization of education implied here lead to excellence (or mediocrity)? Here we find another dimension of the corporatization of education, where democracy equates with affordability; and affordability equates with excellence, Q.E.D? When dealing with the enterprise of educating minds, let's make sure we keep that unit cost as low as possible.
* and
Education and money has existed since the Bible times.
Learning has, sure. systems of mass education, less so.
Not a single thing about segregation or atrocious boarding schools. Tsk, tsk.
Learn at your own pace was already tried, and failed about 40 to 50 years ago.
But did we have the internet 40-50 years ago?
David Dinellie Wrong, We have Tryied it Before in America, bush jr in 2002 Cut Ar Reading and 21st Century Programs that allowed Students to learn at there own pace was Cut in a Excuse, Lie being to much money. How is todays Public School Education? Pretty much a failed Experiment. Good Programs were cut. You have no idea what you are talking about. You are Assinine and So ignorant. im an Expert on Education Law.