I Will Change Your View of Anakin's Turn to the Dark Side in 3 Minutes
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
- Anakin Skywalker's turn to the dark side was 'fast' in the eyes of many Star Wars fans. However, in 3 minutes I will explain to you how it is not fast at all, and why his turn makes so much sense. In fact, I would argue his turn was justified (not his actions, those were messed up, but his turn).
Order 66 aside, Anakin's years of being put down and held back by the Jedi was a test for him to overcome his impatience, however, when he couldn't save his mother, the process had really begun.
I believe, like Dave Filoni said, had Qui-Gon Jinn beat Darth Maul and trained Anakin, then Qui-Gon would have been the father figure Anakin always needed. Anakin wouldn't have turned. However, Obi-Wan as his master, was not fully ready for such a padawan.
Anakin's turn is a reflection of the treatment and abuse he received over the years at the Jedi Temple.
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The irony of Padme's fate was it ended up being a self fulfilling prophecy. No wonder Vader hated himself.
Exactly... got some oedipus vibes tbh
What do you mean
I think the phenomenon is called causal loop
@@brandontaylor8099 he had a prophecy of her dying, so he did everything he could to prevent it. In the end in doing all that actually caused her death. It’s a classic Greek narrative; by trying to prevent the future they actually cause it to happen.
@@TheTanglyHen1026 I don't think you mean Oedipus that was the dude who killed his father and married his mother.
You're thinking of Odysseus. He's the guy that took 10 years getting back to his country and his wife because he was trying to escape his Fate.
your passion for the prequels is unmatched
Man, I see you everywhere nowadays
His passion for the prequels is matched. By lots of people, including me. The only difference is that he has 2 mil subs. But there is no doubt in my mind about his love for Star Wars.
No go watch anomaly inc
@@Chosen_one_501 agreed, myself included as well with many people I’ve chatted with on r/prequelmemes
Yo what’s up inabber
When the guy on the left said “yeah”, I really felt that
His name is josh
I felt that shit B made me cry and shit
@@JusYoru And your name is Zuko.
@@willnavarrete6828 ”emotions aren’t meant to be shared.”
@@ShumaniTatankaOwachi I hate sand
"Anakin had so many flaws, that's why I didn't like the prequels."
Uh... yeah. That is literally the entire point of a tragedy: the protagonist is flawed.
There's a difference between the character having flaws and the character's writing having flaws.
I wish they had showed Anakin trying harder to do better instead of just whining all the time-then Inwould have had some sympathy for him but I didn’t even care when he did bc it felt like he was just a selfish brat.
@@stargwynn1 Yeah, I see that -- but I also see that there's only so much you can cover in a few theatrical releases. Watch the animated series "The Clone Wars" -- he's still selfish and whiny at times; he keeps making poor decisions that steer him down the wrong path; and he never properly deals with his selfish attachment issues, but ... you do see him grow as a Jedi, and you do see flashes of the noble Jedi Master that he could have been. Palpatine was probably right that Anakin could have been the most powerful Jedi alive, had he stayed the course.
@@stargwynn1 I felt the same way until I watched The Clone Wars series. Anakin only has like 4 or 5 hours of film across the prequels. That's not a lot of time to go from "Chosen One" to Darth Vader. You see alot more growth and wisdom in the Clone Wars Series.
@@gabrielgoodloe6262 absolutely right. The clone war animated series changes the way of view I had towards Anakin.
“Anakin, you’re breaking my heart!”
“Don’t be silly, Padmé. It’s pronounced ‘neck.’”
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Star Wars Phantom Menace: Anakin had FEAR. In attack of the clones: Anakin had ANGER. In Revenge of the Sith: Anakin had HATE. After he became Vader, Anakin had SUFFERING. The prequels geniusly depicted the fall of Anakin and thats why i love the prequles more than anything else. Like yoda said in episdoe 1 to anakin, " Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering." It shows how much planning and love the prequels have unlike the sequels
This...
This comment needs to blow up! This is so good! Although I'd swap this and say Anger in E2 (anger that they took his mother, that the Jedi were holding him back) and Hate in E3 (to the point where he was willing to harm his wife and fight his best friend and mentor to the death). It was almost as if George Lucas had it planned out. Wait...of course he did!
HOLY SHIT! I never thought of the connection between Yoda's statement and the themes behind each movie/trilogy. George Lucas, a genius as usual.
U switched anger and hate. But we do get the point
Thus is so true
I always thought this even as a kid I didn't even realize people thought any other way about Anakin until two years ago
People are dumb lol
Even more so, I thought his undecided nature as a character was perfect. I didn’t realize so many people hated Hayden’s performance :(
yeah, is it that hard to read in to?
wtf
Same here!
I think it's the generation that grew up with Episode 1,2,3 who think like this. We saw his humanity and understood his decision.
This is why watching him turn hurt so much. You know from the beginning how things will end, but you come to love Anakin and almost wish the outcome were different, but inevitably he becomes Darth Vader. Just leaves you feeling like you can’t accept there wasn’t a happy ending for him. But it’s also an outstanding ability Lucas has to make the audience feel connected to a character and then feel all these emotions from things like this. Hayden was also amazing. They couldn’t have chosen a better Anakin.
You my friend are a true Star Wars fan
I’ve always empathized with Anakin. Honestly, I look at Star Wars as a whole as HIS story. That’s what pissed me off about Disney undoing his redeeming deed in The Rise of Skywalker. Anakin is the chosen one, not Rey. And she’s not a Skywalker.
Yeah, rosw sucks it ruined some great stuff, but the others were good!
@@Dgjserffft expect the last Jedi that was just garbage
@@SuperYolooo I liked it
@@Dgjserffft okay 👍
@@SuperYolooo yeah disgusting
“WHAT HAVE I DONE???” I believe those were the last words of Anakin before he became Vader and fully devoted himself to the dark side to save Padme
It just doesn’t make sense to me. Just killed a Jedi and is full of regret, so the logical decision is join the sith? Never made sense.
@@seabass22 He felt trapped. The Jedi would never accept or forgive him, no matter what he did. Palpatine swore that he could save Padmé, who at that stage, was basically the only thing he had left. He knew that. He knew that even if he hadn't helped Palpatine, he would have been thrown out of the council anyway when Padmé gave birth.
@@Rosadullaghan Also I don't really think that Sidious would have let him go away if he didn't accept to join him, had Mace Windu been there they could have fought him together, but Anakin had just allowed Sidious to kill him right before...
@@MiguelMedV Yeah. I agree. The main point is that there was no easy he could go back.
He was always Anakin lol he didn't "turn into" Vader. Vader was always a part of him, not a separate entity
I never knew that the Master title would've given him access to the restricted teachings. Now I understand that it wasn't just pride that he was expressing when he was denied the title.
Yes, however Palpatine was egging him on to also get access to FORBIDDEN SITH HOLOCRONS.
Did you not watch the movies?
@@davidgv3527 Sure, many times; but is it ever expressly stated in the films that the rank of Master would grant him access to restricted teachings? The only reference I remember is when Palpatine told him that he could not learn the forbidden teachings from a Jedi.
@@TheLightSideReactions I think it was mentioned in passing, but wasn't made a huge focus
@@KidPrarchord95 I'm surprised that I missed it. I'll have to watch the prequels again this weekend to see if I can find it.
Padme was the one person who understood Anakin. The one person who knew him like no other person did, inside and out. Besides his Mother, who died in his own arms, out of all of those in the galaxy including his closest friends, none of them showed him as much love, support, and affection as Padme did despite his many flaws and mistakes. And with all the years upon years of nothing but pain and trauma just building up, it should surprise nobody how that would make him realize that she was the only one who truly mattered to him, and as such had to do everything he could to keep her alive. He loved her so much that he would’ve sold his own soul to the devil to save her, and he did just that. And yet she dies anyway... And he is made to think that it was his own fault.
If that wouldn’t create a monster out of you, then nothing would.
Jane understood Thor and had him turn a round through his love for her. Why couldn't Anakin not have been written this way? You can't have a sith lord and have him "bring balance to the force"!
@@wolfgang7812 You're talking about two VASTLY different characters my guy, characters who aren't even in the same show, let alone universe. 😂 but it wasn't just his love for Padme that turned him to the darkside, although she was the most motivating factor, he simply wanted more. He believed and was bred to believe he was destined for much more power, and it was never given to him, and he became corrupted by the dark side whilst seeking for it. And yes you can have a sith lord who brings balance to the force, because that's exactly what happened in Ep. 6 (it's literally the basis of the entire story). In order for balance to be brought, the Jedi order had to be brought down because they themselves had become too corrupt and set in their ways and weren't servents of the force anymore, and the sith needed to be destroyed. He did both of those, he brought down the Jedi so they could be born anew, and he destroyed the Sith by killing the Emperor and himself, and in his final moments was brought back to the light side by Luke.
Having lost my first partner at 20 (young age like Anakin was) I still would give most anything for her to still be alive. Along with all his trauma and BPD in general I relate too much with Ani
He loved Palme enough to choke her. Oh, and he murdered children. 🙄
@@wolfgang7812 he kinda brought balance to the force by desttroying both light and dark. both jedi's and sith's
bunch of people: *says anakin's fall was done too quickly*
me: *looks at when anakin slaughtered the tusken raiders and his dark moments in the clone wars show*
Tusken raiders had their fate coming because they brutally tortured to death Anakin's mother. Jedi Council have their share of responsibility for preventing Anakin visiting his mother to properly transition for ten year since his freedom from slavery.
@@Tippotipo that’s why they are very hesitant of teaching Anakin in Ep 1. He is too old since he already developed things that Jedi wouldn’t developed when they were raise in the Jedi Temple their entire life.
I really liked the animated series when he met the assassin asajj ventress... His scream of anger/victory after literally crushing asajj through the ground and making her fall from atop those ruins. That was pretty cool. Also the sabers reacting to rain, that was a neat little addition.
That's an excuse. Clone Wars was written after the fact.
@@Theo-bk6qj That point further highlights why the Jedi Order was doomed to fall due their own flawed approach, attitudes and arrogance. Qui Gon, Count Dooku and even Palpatine called them out for those reasons.
Left out is the unheard number of Jedi falling to the dark side because they never learned to embrace and tame it, only fear and run away. Anakin descent to Vader are only the result of Jedi Council own fear.
Anakin: *has a problem*
Anakin: hey jedi, I need help
Jedi: no
Anakin: *changes team*
Jedi: *surprised pikachu face*
More like: I’ve broken all the rules, demand special treatment and a swift rise through the ranks simply because I think I’m the best, if you don’t give me all your secrets, I’ll kill kids to gain more power. I’ll then plan to overthrow the sith who helped me so I can become ultimate ruler. If my secret wife doesn’t go along with the plan then I’ll attack her and blame obi wan. If anyone accuses me of crimes, I’ll simply call the Jedi evil and keep killing until they shut up
@@Elphin89 you didnt even watch the video did ya? You got one of those special IQ's huh?
@@starwarzfan49 clearly you’ve got a ‘special’ IQ if you can twist yourself into a pretzel shape in order to miss the most basic storytelling that Lucas was trying to portray. Anakin strangled his pregnant wife. You blame the Jedi? Right ok🤦
To be fair - Both parties were in the wrong.
@@Elphin89 this is officially the shittiest Star Wars take I’ve ever seen. What is it with some fans and wanting to defend the Jedi at all costs and not recognize that they were deeply flawed and not 100% the good guys?!
The Jedi Order FAILED Anakin at EVERY TURN and that’s facts .
Anakin: goes through shit
The Jedi order: Emotions are not for sharing
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Palpatine to Anakin regarding Dooku: "He's too dangerous to be left alive."
Mace Windu to Anakin regarding Palpatine: "He's too dangerous to be left alive."
Well done Mr. Lucas
I’m actually fucking shook. I’ve seen RotS at least 100 times, easily (yes, I need help)… and I had never noticed how that line repeats. Gonna go home and rethink my life…
This ultimately proved the son right in that the light and dark sides were two sides of the same coin.
True, but don't forget that Palpatine was able foresee events of the future. Considering that his plan was to turn Anakin to the dark side, he could have used this line when Anakin killed Count Dooku because he had foreseen the events between Anakin and Mace Windu in the Chancellor’s office, therefore creating conflict and turning him against the Jedi, which he gradually did by saying they didn't trust Anakin and that he was more powerful, etc.
Dew it
@@johnreid5814 'Stop! You're not helping.' -Lois from Family Guy as she pushes the Emperor...
You are strong and wise, Theory. And I am very proud of you.
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A guy can only get called "Ani" so many times before he flips
It was ‘Annie’, and his mother called him that, before Padme did.
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Ik his story is sad, but every time Padmé says "Oh Anakin" or "Ani" I just laugh. I think I'd lose my mind too if i kept getting called "Ani" 😂
Don't forget Skyguy. Man, he had some rough nicknames.
@@DR23456 however only one is known to call him that (Ahsoka) and he didn't seem to mind it, now if i remember correctly didn't he give her (Ahsoka) the Nickname "SNIPS" too
I think Ahsoka saying the “Jedi order failed her” rubbed off on him too! He saw the whole situation with here being blamed instead of offee and was like “does no one else see that this is unfair”
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Exactly! I shared this point in another comment. The fact that Filoni, and now Favreau, can build off these layers really adds to the depth of genius in writing George Lucas was going for. Perceived plot holes can be filled in with more defining stories for years to come because of how the prequels were developed and presented.
That’s impossible ahsoka didn’t exist when those movies were being made
Ashoka isn't canon. anakin only cares about his kids and padme. He made a promise on his mother grave he wouldn't fail saving his loved ones again.
@@rayvonvelez3129 exactly
Clone wars adds a lot of depth to his turn as well. The constant discouraging of "having attachments" he had the biggest heart and cared so deeply for everyone and the jedi around him are constantly saying "eh, if they die they die. We must be ready to let go of our attachments. Do not have attachments" etc. Too blinded by their ways to see the damage they were causing.
It wasn't the Jedi who were blinded -- the point the Jedi tried to make to Anakin is that his all-consuming attachments blinded *him*. And the plotlines show this clearly -- Anakin made horribly damaging decisions that ultimately hurt millions of people, all because he was selfish. He murdered younglings because Palpatine promised to show him how to save Padme ... that wasn't for Padme's benefit -- it was for Anakin's benefit. And then in a fit if pique he mortally wounded Padme himself. Anakin's "attachments" were not altruistic -- they were selfish.
@@wolfgang7812 I think its likely that jealous attachment, possessiveness, was what the jedi were supposed to avoid. But in the thousands of years they boiled it down to no attachment period. Which I think is where they failed Anakin, and many others. If they had taught him to handle love and loss in an appropriate way, then he would have been better equipped to handle the loss of his mother, and the potential loss of Padmé.
@@caitlinlawrence1867 What they have extracted as philosophy is that being selfless is the path to balance. And no self means no attachment that binds you as a person. The Jedi in this sense are supposedly sacrificing a lot to serve the republic but you are free to leave if this burden is to much.
They failed Anakin because they let him join the order. They knew of his burdens and they just should have let him be a normal human and watch over him. He wasn't capable of taking it. When the council granted Obi-Wan the right to train him it was actually just Yoda saying "the council gives you permission". It never was decided by the council. They are flawed, as an institution as Yoda takes decisions in the name of the entire council. Also they are flawed in there nature of being selfless additionally as Qui Gon puts his own agenda over that of the council, Queen Amidala, Jar Jars, arguably Anakins Mother and his Padawan is clearly arrogant. Also in ability as Yoda says that they have been blind and Mace says they should inform the Senate that their abilities have been weakened.
The prophecies are difficult to analyze because they seem self fulfilling. So really was there any chance to save Padme? Perhaps Anakin would have saved her just by leaving the Order which he contemplated for a short time. Perhaps letting go like Yoda said was the only way for Anakin to not lose both her and the republic. There is no clue that Anakin would have ever gained the power to save her by the dark side. That could have been completely made up by Palpatine.
@Ad Stryker Anakin didn’t mortally wound Padme! I’m sure was just a poor choice of words as he didn’t wound her at all, he force choked her for a second. Granted this may have contributed towards Padme’s death during childbirth but he didn’t kill her directly and certainly never wounded her. When you say he mortally wounded her you make it seem as if he ran her through with his Saber or something.
It was that very vision of her dying after childbirth that set him on this path. Granted you could argue that his acting on the vision is what made it come to pass but either way he didn’t kill her.
“The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.” is not an empty saying...
I'd say "The road to Hell is paved with bad intentions." is closer to the truth.
@@servant7777 the trick is, good intentions, delivered in the wrong way, turn everything to shit!
Just intending to do good, to ‘save’ people, is not enough.
Think what Luke said in Mando; raw talent,(like Anakin) without training,( or improper training.Obi instead of Qui Gon) is plain dangerous.
Beings like the Emperor don’t care much for bad intentions, like Maul. That’s a useful tool.
But the desolation of good intentions doing bad things...that’s rocket fuel to that sort of being.
@@servant7777 didnt adolf consider what he was doing as having good intentions
@@probablynotsatan9440 yeah I’m pretty sure, I reckon when someone is crazy enough they just convince themself that they are doing good somehow.
@@probablynotsatan9440 Yes because all sick indivuduals,or addicts of any manner-whether spiritual addicts(hate-anger-greed-lust) or addicted(imprisoned)to something tangible(drugs-alcohol-food-etc),they all are delusional..They think they are fine,but in reality they are sick..They cannot see what they have become,they are blinded by their ego..!!!!
This is why I could never understand the argument that the prequels “ruined” Vader. 1, 2 and 3 made Vader. They turned him into a person. They explained the tragedies that forged him into a monster he didn’t want to be. And they turned him into my, and many others’ most compelling villain in fiction. I love this story, and Vader even more because of it. I understand that some people don’t like the origin story he was given. But its course is a very, very believable one.
It was handled poorly with bad writing, poor narative and whiny acting. thats why it ruins Vader. Hayden Christenson isn't even a bad actor but he never felt like vader. personally I think he was too young for the turn as well. it felt disengenuous.
Basically everybody kind of imagined he grew up on maybe a war torn planet or at least in some significantly harsher slavery conditions. I mean having a bomb in your head is pretty harsh,but the way they directed the kid to say the line it came out almost like he was okay with it. They needed a director who fit better with Jake Lloyd,who by the way was able to act more pained and concerned as a sick kid in ER than they had him act at any point in Episode I.
Don't get me wrong,I like the prequels,but they needed some percent more "Tell us now!" Anakin and less "It's not fair!" Anakin. Maybe having Anakin grow up in a way so that he never really believes fairness exists would have been enough. Or maybe even less than that,maybe make him more emotionally like William Munny in Unforgiven. I think the fact that it was maybe a B+ trilogy when it could have been a high A with very slight changes almost made it more disappointing. Having everybody coming out of your movie thinking about the one or two easy things that would have made parts your movie less bland can be worse for the perception of your movie than just making a terrible movie.
They weren't even about Vader. It was about Anakin. They're completely different people, and it makes the story even more heartbreaking. A celebrated Jedi Knight, a hero to the people, turns into basically space Hitler. No one's born evil, but hatred lurks and festers inside for years, and manifests itself in subtle ways. Until one defining moment brings it all into the surface, forces the person to make a choice. He'll choose strength over his past weakness anytime. Even when you're planting your feet firm, all it takes is just a little push to throw you off an edge. It's a very realistic depiction of fall from grace.
@@7aro7Dragoon I agree, he should have played him only in episode 2 (his portraying of a young cocky jedi is on point), in episode 3 another older actor should have taken the role.
@@7aro7Dragoon I think lucas went in the right direction. Remember Lucas wanted Hayden to act this way. If you oversimplify anakin hes an arrogant but talented manchild, this does not make him a bad character per se but it is just who he is. Remember this all happened when anakin was relatively young. Not when he was mature. And the manchild part is not an insult but rather just a way of saying he never really grew up until he became a father. Yes i am implying that vader was a manchild too. When Vader learned that Luke was his son, thats when he finally became an adult, started making decisions for himself, truly.
“From my point of view, the Jedi are evil!”
@@nihilist1680 Well Anakin was wrong, but kinda right. The Jedi lost their way. They were great, but after the clone Wars arose, the Jedi continued to stray further towards politics and other things, and eventually got caught up in evil. They were clouded by the dark side. They were wrong in almost everything they did with Anakin, and how they treated him.
@@theblasteffect4499 no, anakin wasn’t a good Jedi, he was materialistic, selfish, jealous and arrogant. He wanted power for himself and he wanted to be all powerful. Padme turned against him as soon as she realised what he really was. Anakin blamed the Jedi (yet again) for his own failures and flaws
That’s ‘cause you have the point of view that a Sith has
@@Elphin89 Absolutely correct, your answer is. I don’t understand why people see Anakin as heroic.
@@Elphin89 Funny, the dude was practically raise by the jedi order. So shocker, the Jedi turn the nine-year-old child who misses his mom and help a complete stranger to materialistic, selfish, jealous and arrogrant prick. Wow. they fail even worse than I realize. How the fuck do you raise the none year old orphan to someone utterly evil? Yeah, guess the Jedi are even worse than anakin, because they created him
I remember when I told people Anakin was my favorite, they would just brush it off as an edgy character. He wasn't angsty for the sake of being angsty, he was like that because of years frustrations. I also really like his style and confidence in fighting, flying, and leading. He doesn't talk like a politician, he talks like a human with dreams and aspirations, not tied down by policy.
I agree with you, i feel he represents what a human being would react, he represents "normal reactions" to what je yas been through, he has both dark and light within, as do we all. He was the most human like, and i feel he was also on other people's sides, seeing different perspectivrs. But yes fear drove him into acting the way je did evebtuqlly it took over and lead to suffering & loss
not tied down by policy, like letting go of your inner demons, attachments, selfishness, just “go for yours” until you kill a bunch of Padawans …
“I have failed you Anakin. I have failed you.” Saddest moment in all of Star Wars.
Especially since Obi-Wan is the only one to ever admit it.
@@monkeybusiness673 Yes, Obi-Wan is the homie. He knew that Anakin and Padame were together the entire time and just kept quiet. He knew about Anakin's trauma but he didn't know how to deal with it himself within the Jedi order. He was the one who dealt with the concrete consequences of the Jedi order's mistakes. Obi-Wan is may favorite star wars character for these reasons.
The only Jedi worthy was obi-wan. He has the humility and the ability to see he failed and admit it. Too late yes.
he didint fail anakin and anakin didint fail obi
@@amine_skywalker5561 IMHO Obi-Wan did fail Anakin. At the very least in the exact moment Anakin said "From my POV the Jedi are evil!" Instead of contemplating that statement even for a second, trying to figure anything out..The only thin Obi-Wan came up with "Well, then you truly are lost!"
He was stuck in his ways and gave up on Anakin at this moment.
And after his arms and legs are severed and he gets burnt alive the first thing he asks is “where is padme is she safe, is she alright”
You mean after he force choked her unconscious and probably would've killed her if it wasn't for Obi Wan?
@@MrBdobb Obi wan was the reason he choked her in the first place. He didn’t care what Obi wan said. He thought she was a liar, and a traitor who brought his master to kill him. Obi Wan never said that’s not true he just walked down the ramp and he shouldn’t have revealed himself in the first place. Obi wan can be a real dumbass
@@mrsplashman8308 Are you actually trying to make excuses for Anakin force choking Padme right now? Obi Wan didn't cause Padme to be force choked. It was Anakins phsycotic behavior that was to blame. Obi Wan was obviously hoping Padme could talk some sense into Anakin before revealing himself. Anakin cared more about his power then Padme. He would rather rule a Empire then run away with her and raise their children. Obi Wan revealed himself only after he saw that the situation was turning south. Anakin force choked the person he supposedly loved unconscious and only let go because Obi Wan ordered him to. At the end of the day, Obi-Wan had still been his master for all those year. That's why Anakin reacted the way he did after seeing Obi Wan and even asked Obi Wan to " Don't make me kill you".
@@MrBdobb The dark side is pretty well known for clouding one's judgement. I'm not justifying Anakin's actions in that moment, but you can't deny that Anakin did truly love his wife.
@@MrBdobb I am not making excuses. I’m don’t think it was a good thing. But you aren’t looking at things from Anakins point of view. I’m telling you how it is and how it looks from his point of view. If you actually watched the movie you would see Anakin didn’t do anything to Padme until he saw Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan showed himself right after Anakin said he didn’t want to hear about Obi wan anymore. Could he honestly not choose a better time? Or could he actually tell Padme he’s with her before she runs off the ship? Anakin hated Obi wan but he was his best friend and he didn’t want to kill him. That is unconnected to Anakin believing Padme was trying to lure Anakin into a trap so Obi wan could kill him tho. Obi Wan is to blame as if he was never there then Padme wouldn’t have been branded a traitor in his eyes.
If Qui-gon had survived, Anakin would have never turned to the dark side.
No he would have helped him instead of push it away
@@the_lifted_stache3640 What? Qui-gon was the only one that wanted to help him, he was the one that got him out of tatooine in the first place. the other jedi didn't care about anakin's mental health, they just told him to keep it to himself and ignore his feelings. Qui-gon did care, he would've helped him so much.
@@alexhernandez9697 He’s agreeing with you
The duel of the fates
Probably or as swt said, if mace would have had obi wans job, he probably would have let him go to restricted or at least tell him dark sides secrets, so he wouldn't feel like he is being held down
Anakin's turn was always entirely comprehensible to me, but that never kept it from being sad. I think that was because as a 7 year old boy, Anakin Skywalker was my role model, hero, and even idol. I was obsessed with Star Wars as a kid, and I wanted to be a Jedi so badly (I think there's probably others who can relate to varying degrees). But because I saw so much of myself in Anakin, or as Anakin, I used him to inform my ideal version of myself, attaching whatever his fate was to mine. When Anakin served the light side, I felt like I could triumph, like I could crush my enemies with the force, powerful, revered. When Anakin fell, I was afraid that I would become like that, that I would be hopeless and abandoned and villainized. And, by and large, it became a self fulfilling prophesy. I'm thankful that as an adult, I can examine the effects this had on me as a child, and have a deeper appreciation of the wonderful and truly legendary work performed by Hayden Christensen.
“You’re the chosen one, but nah we ain’t gonna teach you how to use these powers you have”
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@@zenu8830 "Do nothing and watch as skywalker falls to the darkside, we will..."
Theory: *explains*
Josh: “yeah”
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Josh is like an attentive puppo-dog and I admire him for that.
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Literally felt this way for years. The tragedy of Anakin Skywalker. Every time I watch Revenge of the Sith , inside I'm wishing he would change his mind and not go dark. Breaks my heart every time I watch his turn. He'll forever be my favorite character in all of Star wars.
It's the Jedi council's fault, they are evil
@@YamamotoKazuo from my point of view the jedi are evil
whats wrong with going dark?
i also wanted to point out that there's a line both Palpatine and Mace said at different times of this movie. "He's too dangerous to be kept alive" So to Anakin, there's no difference in being a jedi or sith. They both wanted to kill their enemies and do whatever it takes to gain the open hand. But only too Anakin, one side is shutting him down while the other insisted to help him with his dilemna.
I already felt this way... It’s really hard to blame Anakin for the choices he made. I watched Revenge of The Sith recently and my sister and I cried watching him struggle with his choices. He was trying. He was trying SO hard to do the right thing. He told Mace Windu as soon as he found out Palpatine was a sith. If you watch Attack of the Clones, Anakin is rebellious and arrogant, but watching the Clone Wars and the beginning of Revenge of the Sith, you realize he HAS changed. BUT because of his power, Mace Windu and the council didn’t trust him, they were afraid. They didn’t give him Master because they were afraid of him. Although while keeping him held down, they put a ton of pressure on him, telling him to betray and spy on the chancellor etc. He was under so much pressure from both sides his whole life. The dark side and the light side weighed on him his whole life. He didn’t have someone like Qui Gon to teach him balance and why he shouldn’t be ashamed for wanting to save more people. Overall, I think the Jedi are right in saying attachments and emotions can lead to the dark side, but I think suppression of all emotions and attachments can be equally dangerous, and in the end that’s why Anakin turned.
They didn't grant him the rank of master because he legitimately wasn't ready for it as evidenced by the tantrum he threw after they denied him the rank.
@@ahahaha6228 Attack of the Clones Anakin definitely not but I think watching the Clone Wars and the beginning of Revenge of The Sith it seems he was ready for it. He trained a padawan to near completion, he was a major key in the clone wars, he showed regret after killing Count Dooku, as soon as Sidious said he was a sith (even knowing that Sidious may be his only chance to save Padme) he drew his lightsaber, and told Mace Windu the truth (risking so much). I think him being offended by them not granting him master but putting him on the council was justified... (but that’s just my opinion, I have a soft spot for Anakin)
@@ahahaha6228 a thousand facepalms for you, sir.
@@jaydenmathews359 the jedi value control over their emotions. The fact that Anakin wasn't able to control his emotions after not being promoted shows that he was not a master of jedi values.
@@SardonicJosh I'm right...
This is about the first time I've ever heard someone summarize Anakin's fall this quickly. Thank God this was recorded
You can't even imagine how satisfying it feels to hear someone defend Anakin's turn to the dark side. And it's done on pure FACTS
It's not defending, but we can empathize. What he did can never be justified, but I can understand how the problems that anakin had could've been solved if only the Jedi aren't arrogant. If only the Jedi order see it's flaws.
Man, now I want to see how Luke's Jedi order will turn out to be. The real Luke though, not the salty old one. The Luke that can understand human emotions and still control his powers.
@@dantederi5062 dont know what disney was thinking with old salty luke lol
I mean yeah you can defend his turn but at the end of the day he didn’t want to let nature run it’s course . He was selfish thinking he deserved the power to save padme, when theirs more unfortunate people in the galaxy who suffered worse lives then he did . His need to control somthing for once in his life , destroyed the republic and caused millions of people to die through the empires reign. He could foresee the future of those he cared about, but couldn’t predict the damage he would cause by being consumed with hate. So no, he isn’t justified in doing what he did.
@@drugsarebad97 Bingo. The Jedi deserve some criticism for how things unfolded, but they deserve a lot less criticism than Palpatine and Anakin. The Jedi always had difficulty seeing clearly whenever the "dark side" was involved, and Palpatine was all over Anakin. The Jedi told Anakin the truth about the danger of his obsessive fears of loss, and Palpatine lied to Anakin about everything -- he didn't show Anakin how to save Padme, and it didn't appear to me that he ever had any intention of doing so. And yet, after seeing how Palpatine lied to him and betrayed him, Anakin still directed all his anger toward the Jedi. Anakin was a blind, foolish putz, and he clearly wasn't ready to be a Jedi master at such a young age.
@@adstryker5084 I’d go ever further and say the Jedi aren’t even to blame . Palpy knew from the jump that the Jedi would always do what was righteous. So naturally Jedi would favor the republic, law and order , peace . By allowing the Jedi to have such control within the republic , and then clouding their ability to see the future or the secret sith hidden among them , palpy pretty much used them like another pawn . Sure , they could have refused the responsibility of being leaders in the army but a Jedis nature is to restore balance and bring peace . So when given the opportunity to make decisions over an army that could potentially turn evil or commit war crimes , they felt it was their duty to make sure the clone army was righteous .
And that`s why in Obi-Wan Kenobi he said "I am what you made me." That was so chilling and true.
Physically he is what Obi-Wan (and the Emperor) made him. His villainy is largely his own doing.
Thisssss
"All it takes is one bad day"
-The Joker
Not to turn to the dark side! What the Joker means is that it only takes That One bad day.
On that one bad day, all the other bad days before it that have been stored, is released.
The one bad day, is also comparable to the last drop that overflows a cup. It's simply when a person has had enough.
Yet Commissioner Gordon proved Joker wrong. He didn’t break, even after Joker tortured Gordon’s daughter in front of him.
I used to think Anakin's life was a tragedy. Now I realize, it's a comedy!
Omg, yay! I finally found a fellow Star Wars and Batman lover! Who else loves Joker?
" All it takes is one bad day.....that's how far the world is from me. Just one bad day"
~ Joker
Or a little push
Anakin is perhaps one of the most misunderstood characters in movie history. When you look at the whole story, Christian Hayden played it perfectly
Hayden Christensen?
Yea the issue is more so with the dialogue in the prequels, especially his romantic dialogue with Padme. But I like how Hayden played his part
Ah yes Christian Hayden who played Varth Hader in War Stars
Nah I liked clone wars anakin better
I agree with him that the switch makes sense but the acting was terrible I have seen better in home movies.
The fact that so many of you never realised any of this disturbs me.
Dude I bet you never realized that
@@swfan6662 Now you know there's no way I could prove that. >.>
They called hayden Christian a baby for star wars.
I would like to assume the majority realized this. I can't imagine too many didn't see how it wasn't that Anakin just turned at the flip of a switch and there was no development there.
Ok mr higher up being
I like Dave Filoni's take that Darth Maul killing Qui-gon Jin was the turning point that sets Anakin's fall in motion. Anakin trained by Qui-gon doesn't fall to the dark side, Anakin trained by Obi-wan does fall to the dark side. The music during the battle is called "Duel of the Fates" and it's literally a duel for the fate of Anakin. It just takes the next 12+ years to get to the place where he turns to the dark side for the reasons SWT lays out in the video.
Yeah, I've always said that if Qui-gon had trained Anakin he wouldn't have succumbed to the dark side because Qui-gon would have understood him and adapted to his way of thinking, rather than force him to mold to the wishes of the Jedi Council. Their biggest issue was that they kept disregarding his feelings and blowing him off, which in turn caused him to resent them.
Obi-Wan loved Anakin, but he just wasn't the right person to train him, due to his strong biases. His loyalty was always tied to the Council, not Anakin. And I think that's what ultimately set Anakin's fate in stone.
Anakin: *literally burns alive and survives for the wife *
Padme: *dies of sadness *
Well i mean he was saved and treated by palpatine and she died from childbirth and she had lost the will to live
actually theory himself has said it was palpatine who killed her and thats why he knows she died
@Ava Davis "I am"
Personal theory: Anakin really did kill Padme, but he didn't realize he was doing it until it was too late. He drew on the connection between them in the Force to keep himself alive on the operating table.
I thought she died due to a lack of a suspension of disbelief.
I remember a comment someone left that put it well: "The Jedi got their Chosen One and they failed him."
It's the emotional detachment thing that keeps me wanting to either see a better Force tradition or a rejection of the Force for corrupting normal emotions into the Dark Side. I think the Jedi's biggest sin was apathy. They left Anakin's mom enslaved, and had no apparent plans to do anything about slavery in general. Without connections to the people of the galaxy, those problems become abstracted to nothing.
Just have to say the jedi had already dealt with slavery. The issue was for Shemi and Anakin they where outside of the realm where they could influence. One thing only lightly addressed in the Cannon is that Tatoonie was apart of Hutt Space (at least during the prequels) the Jedi simply couldn't come in and say 'Slavery is over' and free all the slaves. That would be an act of war on the Hutts which the Jedi would need the backing of the Republic which they would've never gotten. Keep in mind even after the Republic became the Empire they spent nearly a decade fighting the Hutts and while they gained ground they never destroyed Hutt Space.
@@marcuswanha9723 they could have just bought her freedom, theyre literally in charge of the republic army and hold a large amount of influence, I think they can cough up a couple hundred credits to bail out the chosen ones mom and keep him from going evil
@@InitialPC bought her freedom maybe. The Jedi dealt in Republic Credits which were useless in hutt space again they would've needed to speak to the Republic Senate for any real purchasing power. And at the time of her death the Republic didnt have an army. It was actually against the law for the Republic to have an army.
@@marcuswanha9723 my point is that theyre not this tiny guerilla force they are a powerful organization with a lot of resources, surely they could of freed her without causing a galactic incident
@@InitialPC most likely yes they could have. But that goes against the Jedi way in some regards. Why free just this one? Because some small boy wants it? That would reinforce that attachments are fine but according to the Jedi code their not.
Now this isn't a true defense of the Jedi. I think those that died in order 66 mostly got what they deserved for taking command of what was basically a slave army
Wow remember when Star Wars had actual character development like this?
Haha new bad old good am I right guys
@@DerEchteBabo I mean I agree people think that in general about everything so often but even I think that this applies here- there isn’t a single character that had any sort of good arc which there is no denying the OT and prequels both had
@@DerEchteBabo
Old bad, new good is just as retarded.
Yeah last time it was in The Last Jedi
@@stevied3400 i prefer the old stuff but I'm not the one acting like Star Wars wasn't hated back then just because I like to complain about new stuff
Imagine if Anakin found an outside the orders Grey, or a Je'daii. A natural Grey Sentinel Master. Someone who would have at least tried to help with his questions and goals. Someone who would have helped him find the fine balance between Anakin and Vader. A true home within himself.
To me, the Jedi and Sith are both a problem that needs solving.
He also mentions in the Clone Wars that he doesn't agree with all the Jedi's beliefs
Clone wars did a great job of adding context in my opinion, I especially liked the one where they rescue Tarkin and you get to hear Anakin's thoughts on the Jedi being in the war.
And if you notice when he talks about the jedi in the revenge of the sith he says " *they* are selfless" so he disconnected himself from the jedi
Prequels aged so good over time they got better, people started to really see the true story of the chosen one and the foreshadowing of the future in the subtle parts of the movies and shows. My favorite is ep6, as a kid I used to think “return of the Jedi” was referencing Luke fulfilling his destiny and becoming a Jedi, but as I got older I realized it was actually about Anakin and how he was never fully evil. Wish the sequels had this kind of storytelling
He was right to do that, prequels era Jedi's were lost to much in politics and all that, Qui-Gon was the ideal Jedi imo with Kenobi to
@@Durex653 wasn't Qui-Gon a grey jedi though?
Idk man I feel like the jedi code is fundamentally flawed. If you want to go be pacifist monks, then why the lightsabers? Why not just go be monks and spend your days metitating away from it all.
But if you're going to involve yourself in geopolitics and put your order at the forefront of every confrontations then it shouldn't be against your code to kill. The sith are flawed because they're cannibalistic by nature and doomed to repeat history in a never ending cycle.
Grey knights make the most sense because they don't lock away their emotions and fear their own emotions the way the jedi do (ironic considering they say fear is a path to the darkside, and yet they spend every day in fear of themselves) and there's no rule saying that just because you feel your emotions or make pragmatic decisions that may lead to deaths (but less in the long run) that you have to automatically go into some darkside rage and turn into a sith psychopath.
I absolutely love the fact that Anakin spent approximately half his life on the light side and half on the dark side, in the end, dieing on the light.
Perfect balance
*dying
@@paulovitor9388 Perfect balance would be only the light.
@@porrasm : No. Perfect balance would be dark side when in combat against an evil enemy, light side at all other times.
That was what the ancient Je’daii on Tython understood, long before the founding of the Old Republic.
The later Old Republic Jedi forgot the balance, shunned the dark side, and so limited their understanding of the Force, and limited their ability to deal with the dark side through that lack of understanding.
@@timonsolus In canon the dark side is defined by (in a nutshell) the use of the force in a selfish way i.e. gain something over the expense of another. The perfect balance means a balance between the light side and the dark side and this is achieved only if the dark side is not used. It exists but not to be used. There is no such thing as a jedi who uses the dark side as a jedi is truly selfless and therefore unable to even use the dark side. A jedi wouldn't even want to use the dark side because it offers no abilities that a jedi would want or need.
This is what Lucas originally meant and this is also what Dave Filoni says and also the current stance in canon.
".. and Palpatine siezed the moment and killed Mace Windou"
*Allegedly*
All we know is that Mace flew out of the Windu.
@@Kernowparadise well mace couldn’t exactly land with the force with lightning bolts going through his skin and bolts through his brain
@@DefecTec if so then Vader could not have killed palpatine with lighting going through his suit/body and brain. That’s rly the logic ur going with?
He survived, Lucas and Sammy had a chat. He ain't dead, there's no way with his vaapaad, he could have channeled the bolts into something else. Mace was the strongest Jedi the Temple had ever known.
Order 66 was enacted after mace tried to kill pal. In the mando grogu was saved by mace right so he must have survived.
I think it’s primarily due to the council actually fearing what he could become, so they try to hold him back. Just like in every scenario where you try to prevent something from happening, you end up ensuring that it happens.
Fear leads to hate… and all that jazz
Lines up thematically well with padme's death becoming a self fulfilling prophecy
Anakin turns to the dark side out of love... Returns to the light side out of love...
"It's like poetry... It rhymes."
I think that’s why I initially hated ep 3 though. The original trilogy’s message was about how love could triumph over evil. Are the prequels now trying to make us feel as though love is the path to the dark side??
Well, the prequels are indeed a cautionary tale that set the stage for the story of the original trilogy... The entire saga is one man's rise, fall, and redemption. Someone who did things with good intentions but ended up losing everything and himself because he made a deal with the devil... Years later he got the chance to right his wrongs, but with the same good intentions. The idea that it's okay to love and show compassion came from Qui-Gon is Epi. I even... He was that loving, compassionate father figure that Anakin needed. So, no... They never state that it's bad to love (quite the opposite really), it's just jedi ideology is complicated and like Qui-Gon said... It's a very hard life. Anakin struggled with this and with the pressures, treatment, and resentment he got from the jedi, he was getting very close to the edge... And eventually fell to the other side.
ironic
lol
"It rhymes", lol... its the same fucking word.
You just described why Anakin's always been my favorite Star Wars character (even without TCW). Everything that happened to him happened for a reason. He lost so much and gained so little until he finally broke. And when he had the chance to finally save the one he loves (Luke) from certain death, he did it. And at that moment, his prophecy of being the chosen one was fulfilled. That's called great story-telling
You have an amazingly deep understanding of the lore of Star Wars. When I was growing up, it was my obsession. Autism can make people like me hyper focus on things. For every single show and tell in kindergarten, I brought my Star Wars toys. My teacher had to call my mom, who hid my toys so that I couldn't bring them to school. I was devastated. I cry every time I watch Yoda lift Luke's X-wing out of the swamp. I want you to know that I've been watching your videos for a while, but when I saw how affected you were by Luke's return, I instantly felt a kindred connection with you. I know the pain of having people misunderstand your passion and put it down simply because they envy the fact that you are so deeply moved by anything in this world. People use alcohol, drugs, sex, and money to fill a hole in their hearts that you and me have filled by things like Star Wars. I just subscribed to your channel today to show you my support. We do not live empty lives because we know what we love.
100 likes but no comments because so many people connected this but are unable to respond because it's so deep to them. Thanks for sharing
The novels are criminally underrated. The entire prequel series is ABSOLUTELY AMAZING through the lens of the novels.
This is more important than my final exams prep
Miles is not completely on your PP
haha
Well same here but Good luck
Anything is more important than final exams lol
@@chgixie724 lol
“Yeah” That guy on the left, couldn’t have done it without him. “
Indeed
Agreed
He needs him!!!!
It’s taken from a longer unedited video 😂
Yo, why is Anakin purple on the thumbnail?
“Extremely dark in the force”
*Anakin Younglings Scene shows*
Everyone: Instantly Laughs
Dewit
Master Skywalker.......
RIP
Just needed to change his alignment fast for those sith powers
Man I've never heard anyone defend our Anakin so impeccably. Things you said were always in my mind but never knew how to talk about it. He was a slave, was taken away from his mother, the master who promised to train him died even before it starts, everyone says he's the chosen one but still restraining from reaching his full ability telling him that he is dangerous, was literally questioned for everything he did even though it resulted in the well being of the republic and the Jedi , risk his life several times to fight battles that even the most powerful could not , after doing all this still was insulted by taking him to the council but not giving the rank of Master telling that he's reckless and young even thought he has his own padawan,asked help for his visions/dreams about for his mother and wife twice but got neglected by even Master Yoda telling him to let go the one true love of his life, and finally when someone told him a way to save his love's live , he was still conflicted by his inner sense of good and bad. After all this he still requested Master Windu for the trail of Palpatine but was again disregarded. Then he had no other way. Had to do things that he would never wanted to (His tear falling from his eyes at Mustafar shows his remorse). Padme could've brought him back to light but then Obi-Wan appeared out of nowhere(not blaming Kenobi but still..).He lost all of his limbs and was literally burnt alive only to know , all that he had done was in vain. Then after many years he learns the truth about his children and sacrificed himself to save his son telling that Padme was right, there's still good in him . That's why he's my favorite character ever and always will be.
They all let him down, thats why Ahsoka left and was able to succeed. Luke believed in him at his worst and gave him that hope he longed for.
Cue Ahsoka theme.
Anakin: Everybody betray me, I fed up with this galaxy!
Ahsoka left, because everyone let Anakin down? Could you explain your opinion again? I don't get it, because it sounds wrong. Ahsoka left because everyone in the Order just threw her away. Everyone but Anakin. Even Obi Wan and Plo Koon let it happen. The only people who stood with her were Anakin and Rex. She needed to distance herself from the Order, and since Anakin is to close to them, because he obviously is a Jedi, she needed to leave him as well.
@@merbuhk she was the smart one.
Anakin let himself down most of all by becomingthe very things he fought against in the Clone Wars: a Sith and a traitor.
When you send a huge text message and all you get is “yeah” in response 😂
Hahahahaha
I took note that the core of his being was fear. The root cause of "evil" is fear. Instead of the Jedi accepting his fear and working through it to help him achieve peace, they denounced it and forced him to bottle it up. It's like being depressed and your friends tell you" "Just be more positive."
That's one of the best ways I've seen it put, great analogy! As someone who deals with mental health problems, I can fully attest to the fact that just telling someone to 'be more positive' or 'just don't worry so much' does not solve anything and will usually just make you more frustrated. Anakin's problem was basically that this was the only advice he was ever given to deal with his feelings, 'just ignore them'. That approach is never going to be helpful, and the Jedi for some reason never tried any other way to handle this situation when their empty words kept falling flat. That line of thinking clearly didn't work for Anakin, so they should have tried something else. And aren't the Jedi supposed to help people? Even if Anakin needs to better deal with loss, there is no reason to not try to save someone's life if it's in danger. The least they could do was look into it.
if the jedi actually did what they were supposed to do and helped him achieve peace instead of telling him “man up the jedi can’t have attachments” he wouldn’t have turned
Because that's the way that the Jedi evolved. Fear leads to the dark side because fear of is often a form of greed.
The Jedi are supposed to be selfless just like suicidal people aren't supposed to administer nuclear arsenals.
To my knowledge Lucas has never implied that the council is supposed to be evil in any kind. He stated that Anakin wants to possess Padme and that he is spoiling himself with his fear to loose her. So this new narrative is often not what George envisioned. And where does this "restricted section" stuff come from? Is this Harry Potter?
Anakin's story is actually a great philosophical commentary on how rigid societal and political systems inevitably fall while turning even the best in society into enemies.
Modern western society is exhibiting that pattern exactly.
“Modern western society is exhibiting that pattern exactly”
Uhh. No.
Modern Western society is nothing like the Jedi.
Remember how they had a chastity and poverty vow?
Where in modern society do you see humility being espoused as a virtue?
And who is to say who is the “best in society”…
I fear that so many see Anakin as misunderstood, is exactly because many feel like something is owed to them. Like Palpatine, brands and social media tell you you deserve more…
No, because the problem with our political system is not that it's rigid at all. It's the fact that corporations can bride politicians to support whatever policy benefits them.
I think it’s more hypocrisy than rigidness. Which goes for both the west and the Jedi
I don't like sand. It's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere.
Execute Order 66. Your likes are at 66
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I was gonna like your comment, but it’s at 69 likes.
Someone liked your comment and got it to 70 likes so I unliked so you're at 69 again
This line... People laugh at it. But it's so fkn sad
His turn to the Dark Side was just one bad thing after another. Let down after let down. Disappointment after disappointment. Frustration after frustration and eventually the Jedi turned their own "saviour" against them
No anakin demanded things a Jedi shouldn’t want - power & adventure. He was arrogant, a liar, selfish, jealous and he lusted for more (he even admits this in AOTC). He wasn’t a good Jedi & couldn’t handle being told no, obi wan knew he wasn’t a good Jedi but he overlooked it because he loved him. Anakin finally made a deal with the devil to ‘save’ padme but of course padme doesn’t want anything more to do with him once he’s revealed who he really is. Luke was by far a better Jedi, he admitted his mistakes and learned from them. Anakin blamed everyone else for his own failures and lashed out in anger rather than face himself
Both of the ideas above are true.
From a certain point of view.
The truth is somewhere in between
@@Elphin89 And who raise him that way? Oh yeah, the Jedi Order. Arrogant yes. Selfish maybe. But Jealous and lair. My lord, when did Anakin Skywalker actually lies. How did he even lies to an order of empath? When the kid turn out wrong I blame the adults who raise him. I can't blame Obi-wan. The dude do his best. I blame the Jedi for being utterly unable to finish what Shmi Skywalker start. Mace WIndu... so cold he can't be Anakin's father figure. How could he went he didn't even trust a nine-years old. You see the Jedi of old republic is terribly flawed.
Anakin turning to the dark is almost mathematical.
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@@Elphin89well maybe the Jedi are wrong about what you can or can’t want
I've learned so much since I subscribed to this channel, like that Anakin wasn't really a navigator on a spice freighter!
@Yoda hmm
I also learned that spinning is a good trick
OT guy here. I remember the excitement when the prequels came out and I was one of those critical of them, but not as much as the haters. I loved the podracing scenes the amazing light saber choreographies and while I thought the CG landscapes and such were maybe a bit too overdone, they still looked beautiful. I hated the "midichlorians" that dulled the sense of mysticism of the force, and thought episode 2 was a bit boring overall, but I never believed that Anakin's turn was "fast" and saw all the hardships he went through and episode 3 is actually one of my favorites as it perfectly captures the final push into Darth Vader! Thanks for encapsulating Anakin's journey so well. Over time I've been able to even backtrack on some of my superficial criticisms of the prequels and appreciate the storytelling in them more, but even back then and especially now, Revenge of the Sith is still on par with the OT movies for me!
I've been preaching this for years! People that question his decent into the dark side need to place themselves in his exact shoes... The kid was born into slavery... Nobody took him seriously because he was a kid... Dreamt of simply getting away from Tatoonie and becoming something greater... A jedi discovers him and changes his life forever... Wins his freedom but must leave his mother behind... Looses the guy that believed in him and was supposed to train him... Was paired with someone who only at first trained him out of a dying promise (though he develops a strong bond with)... Grew to be frustrated because he felt he was being held back and from the pressures of being this chosen one... Has nightmares of his mother dying so when he finally gets an assignment on his own he takes advantage of the opportunity to save his mother but is too late... Let's out all his emotions of pure rage on those responsible... He makes a promise to never let that happen again... Fights a war for 3 years and now has nightmares of his now wife dying. He knows this love to be forbidden but will do anything to prevent her from dying... He tries to get help from Yoda, who doesn't really help much, and is denied the access to the knowledge to save her when he is denied the rank of master sooo who does he turn to... The one guy who has appeared as a mentor and a friend ever since he got to the jedi temple... He has been groomed for the role as his apprentice... Tested and having seeds planted within. When he finds this man to be a sith he is torn and unsure but when he's left with the ultimatum of letting him die or saving him to save Padme, he gives in and betrays his brethren... Letting the dark side flood him and corrupt him to the point in which his best friend/former master and his wife don't recognize him anymore because he's become the very thing he swore to destroy... He's become power hungry and selfish because he let the dark side in... and attacks both of them when he believes them to be plotting against him. He fears losing what power has achieved... He loses to his best friend and loses his wife... Now forever trapped in a painful suit of armor until his son sparks the good that his wife believed to be inside him... He then kills the man that tricked and deceived him and saves his son and the galaxy. Tragic and poetic is Anakin's story... Turns to the dark side for love and back to the light for love.
People don't like the execution of the film, not the story and motivation behind the turn.
People don't like what they can't understand... They don't understand that they knew exactly what they were doing. The character was written very specifically and portrayed very specifically. The portrayal and delivery was very much deliberate... Purposeful... So much so that the cadence of Anakin (by Christensen) was done so to emulate that of James Earl Jones... That's why it comes off as sort of robotic and/or monotone on certain lines.
@@keyseronthewire2575 if you really think the prequeles are well written, then my friend you are simply delusional
@@spirosgiatietci I think they are excellently written... The homage to Shakespeare is fantastic and the underlying motifs such as 30's westerns and Saturday matinee serials... Told within a romantic time period... That's where the dialogue comes from. It's written very specifically and delivered as such. That's what people don't understand... The casuals especially. Maybe you're the one who's delusional. You don't have to like it, but respect the amount of thought and effort that was poured into it... There was actually way more thought and effort poured into the prequels than the originals (not to say that I don't like the OT), but I appreciate what was done in the prequels and I love them, Revenge of the Sith being the best Star Wars film in my eyes. The ultimate space opera tragedy is told within those 3 films and I think they are written excellently. You may be just another troll dying for attention by being a prequel hater, which isn't "cool" anymore like it was before... But I can provide whatever words I feel fit in order to show what an amazing arc those 3 films give to genuine fans.
SWT is like an English teacher: _he always reads between the lines_
So straightforward
There are no words inbetween the lines
It's a Jedi trait...
Only Sith deals in "lines".
I’m like failing English right now but if they made me do an essay on Star Wars I know where to come
At the end of it all his greatest fear wasn’t simply just loosing his wife like how he lost his mom, it’s him losing his wife like how he lost his mom and being powerless to do anything about it. He has felt powerless his entire life and the moment he heard that there was a possibility that he could achieve that power he lacked and was denied his whole life you bet he would go to great lengths to get it.
losing*
but fr tho u right u right
not just that, it's quite simply the fact that (including Ashoka and her kangaroo court) the jedi council expects everyone but them do what they are told, ask no questions and be happy with whatever is given. Ashoka was expected to take being railroaded and almost put to death like it was nothing and resume being a good little brainwashed drone. Anakin was expected to take the insult (the empty appointment on the council) like an honour and expect nothing more. the order had been going downhill for a very long time
Alex Hulea Exactly. It that lack of trust and respect for Anakin that just pushed him farther to turn against them.
@Mistjor 1 cringe
The one thing I've noticed about the prequals is that they're very subtle. You have to be an active observer to understand them. They're way more deep than people realize.
Palpatine manipulating things is a perfect example. We can see his subtle influence and on everyone from Ep1 if you're paying attention. How he uses and discards them once they've taken his plan to the next step. In Ep3 he stops trying to be so subtle as he knows he can get away with it at that point in order to execute his plan.
Theory: Explains theory
Guy on left: I heard emotions aren't for sharing, so "yeah".
I get you're joking lmao, and it's funny, but props anyway to the guy for not interrupting Theory's train of thought.
Yoda: "Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering."
Pablo Hidalgo: :"Sure when Yoda implies that expressing your feelings is bad it's fine, but when I say it fanboys get their panties in a bunch.:" lol
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I still hope he doesn’t turn every time I watch ROS lmao
Me too I always want him to run away to Naboo with Padme. Also skol Vikings
Right?! I'm so glad to find I'm not the only one! Haha
Same.
Hi bro. SKOL
Ya hate to see it.
“Chokes his wife”
Anakin: I am trying to save you.
He was so lost and confused at that time
@@namelessweeb7673 He was coked out of his mind on dark side *poooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer*
He did it out of anger and just instinct
@@namelessweeb7673 he didn’t feel like he was in his own body
"She was alive, I felt her". Or something like this he said. He put her to sleep to kill Obi Wan without her interfering someway, he never tried to kill her.
Stuff like what Anakin suffered through only make turning to the Dark Side more and more relatable. It's hard not to be upset and frustrated when you go through so much and get nothing paid off for it.
I truly believe everything would’ve been different if qui-gon had lived past the fight with maul.
Qui-Gon hooked up with Shmi and you can’t change my mind
It was the literal duel of the fates, the fate of Anakin.
If he falls in love with Padme again, he would still turn if he wants to save her
@@clanofshadows I think that wuingon would’ve been the proper figure anakin needed to let him know that it would be his own darkness that would lead him to that fate.
@@greysoncahail7607 I laughed out loud, bro
Anakin is my absolute favorite fictional character of all time. The BEST storyline. The Rise, the Fall, and the Redemption of Anakin Skywalker, the Chosen One. Thank you George Lucas for such a wonderful character!!! Also, love your channel, appreciate what you do!!
Nothing can redeem him from killing so many children! No person with any good in there heart at all could kill a kid never mind multiple
@@brumtownmiller6130 he was redeemed and balance was restored. Hence him becoming a force ghost. So you are wrong!
@@brumtownmiller6130 I agree
@@dak6960 he may have brought balance but he is still a terrible person after what he did.
Hes up there. I still think Aragorn takes the cake, however.
But in SW its def Anakin and then Obi Wan for me. I love me some Luke too but sorry, Ani is just the better story
After watching the prequel trilogy, I could see how much the Jedi was to blame for a lot of their own problems. Had Qui Gon lived, I am sure Anakin would have gotten the teaching he should have been given.
I used to think Qui-gon was boring, not likeable but boring, but man the extra stories of him and all, love him.
Qui Gon in the movies is as much an arse as the other Jedi, he could have freed Anakin's mother but she wasn't a potential Jedi so just didn't care about a human being who was a slave. I'm not sure if Lucas intended the Jedi to all be so dull and arseholes or he just doesn't write/direct very well but it took Clone Wars to make the same characters interesting.
If you don't understand anakin's turn to the dark side then clearly you've never lost someone close to you and you've never been in love.. the road to hell is paved with good intention
You’d go on killing spree of innocent children to MAYBE save your loved one? Unless you’re mentally retarted there’s no way you’d think that would be a necessary action to take
Theory: I Will Change Your View of Anakin's Turn to the Dark Side in 3 Minutes!
Me: Only a Sith Deals in Absolutes
All those lawyers and businessmen must be Sith, then.
@@DarkAdonisVyers well...yes
The dumb thing about that line, is that it was an absolute in itself
@@josephscott1292 Ironic
That is the most dumb an ironic line which makes me hate the jedi elitist fascist order.
"They see your future. They know your power will be too strong to control."
-Palpatine to Anakin
These words might've been pure manipulation, but he was right. The Jedi were afraid of Anakin's power. They were afraid of what he might become if they allowed him to achieve his full potential. I imagine the Jedi never forgot Revan's turn to the Dark Side and the carnage he wrought as a result. They likely feared a repeat of what happened back then. In their refusal to allow him to become who he was born to be, always denying him the credit he deserved and requiring more from him than any other Jedi, all the while not allowing him to work through his emotions by refusing to acknowledge them, they created a self-fulfilling prophecy that ultimately led to their own destruction.
there's always a shard of truth in the most convincing of lies
Star Wars gets better when implementing Attachment Theory it shows the root causes for most of his fears and how each person did fail him, and who manipulated him (Palpatine) except Qui-Gon whom if lived would have had a Secure attachment to someone as a father figure and the perfect master for Anakin. Duel of the Fates quite fitting.
@C K The movies show so many times where Anakin came to the council or its members and asked them something that was reasonable, but difficult or inconvenient. Had they sided with him even once, it would have put the order on the path to balance. Instead they showed that they were completely unwilling to change and sealed their fate.
Well, to be fair they didn't want to train him at all because they saw great fear in him. Deep down they knew how shit was gonna turn out, but caved in because Qui-Gon was going to train him regardless, he died, and then Obi-Wan was doing it as a favor of Qui-Gon. So the council (really just Yoda), gave their permission. Perhaps the reason they required him to do more was because he was "too old" for the training and knew that he needed extra work to be like a normal Jedi. In the end, he never could.
Even his final turn to the light side, which I call BS, was still driven by his emotions and attachment to his son. He hadn't changed at all. He was always devoted to his family first. That's just the truth of it.
@@feralphantom94 the thing is tho, if they didn’t take him in Palpatine would have. He would’ve been raised as a sith. From the very beginning, the council’s arrogance was their undoing. Lucas has said the Qui-Gon was the father figure he needed, but he ended up dying. Why? Because the council was so sure of themselves that when one of their own requested back up after being attacked by a sith, their response was basically “nah bro, even tho you saw him we don’t believe you Bc we would’ve sensed it if there was a sith”.
Me before the video: LIAR!
Me after the video: A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.
Hey thats my line
Disney: Let's remove the meaning of that. Let's add force healing that is so easy to perform that no one would ever die!
I wish Disney would never made any sequels bro... It ended perfectly in ROTJ. Anakin fulfilled his destiny of destroying the sith by killing Darth Sidius...
His destiny was to bring balance to the force, not strictly to destroy the sith. He did succeed in bringing balance when he wiped out the jedi and killed the last sith lord. Lol
@@jzi4 yeah I guess that's probably right. I just remember Obi wan saying "you were meant to destroy the sith, not join them" just after he castrated him
Agreed .
I don't consider Disney's starwars as canon, except for the Mandalorian.
That shit ain't canon anyway
The Jedi Order: You turned him against us!!
Palpatine: You have done that yourself!
Underrated comment right here.
The world does to people, what the jedi order did to Anakin.
The Jedi were so blinded by politics and their ancient code that they totally didn't realize that they abandoned Anakin and basically directly led to his fall to the Dark Side. Society creates it's own monsters.
@@BryonLetterman"societies create their own monsters" couldn't be better spoken. I couldn't tell you how much as a kid I related with anakin and understood all of this.
r/im14andthisisdeep
Such a true statement
Obi Wan literally says to Anakin "I failed you". 😔 Obi Wan wasn't mature enough to raise this kid with so much trauma and expectations. Even in Episode 2 he's quick to temper and belittles him constantly for having *GASP* emotions.
In episode 3 they've gone through hell together and are more equal, friends even, but by that point it's too late.
I love this. Anakin has turned into one of my favorite characters in the last few years. I used to hate him because he was whiney in the 2nd and 3rd episodes.
But as time grew, and as I watched the clone wars. His story is even more tragic. Even throughout the war, the council literally just said, “Eff you” on several occasions. Like tricking Anakin that Obi-Wan was dead, Ahsoka’s trial, and among many other things.
I have a lot of successes in my life, and I have a LOT of failures as well. But I STRONGLY relate to Anakin, and sympathize with him greatly. People keep holding me back, and it’s infuriating. Every time I’ve done something in life, it’s always because someone previously held me back, and I told the world, fuck you I’m going to do it anyway.
So as a kid, I never really understood what anakin went through. Now as an adult, who’s had lots of ups and downs, and I can relate, making him one of my favorite characters to date.
The crazy thing is, for my entire life I had recurring nightmares that my mom died, almost visions. When she finally died of cancer, I never had them again. I felt so much for Anakin because of that.
Oh man, I am so sorry for your loss! May the force be with you ;)
But did you go on a killing spree!?! There is the difference! I don't like the excuses the Star Wars movies give for Anakin's behaviour and turn to the "Dark side"!
@@wolfgang7812 no I couldn't find my lightsaber
@@wolfgang7812 You dont know the power of the dark side! Once you dabble in it, it will pull you in and consume you.
@@wolfgang7812 Was he manipulated for years by the devil himself to get his trust?
Like Anakin?
*As Jeremy Jahns said: Anakin's turn was meant to be similar - as far as Lucas was concerned - to Dracula's in Coppola's Bram Stoker's Dracula (1992) ~*
Interesting.. .
Palpatine in the turn scene looks just like Bram Stoker's Dracula. Coincidence??
I havent seen Dracula but i remember George saying something about the scene of anakin getting vaders suit being done in a way to pay homage to frankensteins monster.
Dracula's last scene is he finally forgives God and finds peace.
Vader finally found forgiveness and found peace as well.
Interesting
Is it pronounced Jans or Johns?
In my head, the day I realised the Jedi weren't "good guys" was the point in my life at which I stopped being a child and started being an adult.
Ashoka is sort of a representation of a better Jedi order. Not literally but in her beliefs. The Jedi order while trying to be good if you look into it more was also evil in a different way. Obviously most dark side users were more evil but doesn’t excuse the Jedi order.
Cal el from fallen order brings this up to, how despite it being flawed in many ways, it did have good things. If they rebuild a better one, that doesn’t do like they did, it could become good but so far we haven’t seen this due to the new Jedi order in canon barely being seen
But they were the good guys 😃
@@tomasgaming703 then you are lost! 😅
@@prabeshgurung1067 Luke's Jedi order in legends is the perfect representation of what a good Jedi order is in my opinion
@@prabeshgurung1067 Kal-El is Superman, the guy from Fallen Order is Cal Kestis
I’m actually really glad that in the Obi-Wan series he actually apologizes to Anakin…for everything. The reality is the Jedi council failed this boy/man time and time again, from his adolescence to his adulthood. I could never understand how in gods name, no had the common sense to offer to train Anakin instead of leaving it Obi-wan who was just a padawan not long before. When I look at the prequels I’m more filled with frustration and anger at how they handled him.
Obi Wan is kind of a dick to Anakin. When Anakin is having nightmarish visions and tells Obi Wan about them, Obi Wan is just like "meh, they'll go away, don't worry about it." Then there was the time when Obi Wan faked his own death and didn't trust Anakin enough to tell him. At the end of their fight on Mustafar, he chops off Anakin's limbs and just leaves him to there to burn alive. And then in the show when they fight on that asteroid or planet or w/e it was, he breaks Vader's mask and the control panel on his suit, then just leaves him there to slowly suffocate. Obi Wan's apology isn't worth much imo.
You must have missed the part where the Jedi council refused him, because he was too messed up already, and Qui-Gon pushed through because he was so strong with the force (midichorian count though the roof)
But like some of these new fans, he thought strong with the force was all that counts, not seeing how easy it was for a boy like that to fall for the Dark Side, and how disastrous when that were to happen.
The council didn’t fail him, a tragic childhood did. And Qui_Gon failed the Jedi, because he was so fixated on salvation, he didn’t see the pitfalls.
And Obi_Wan was just the only one that was left, after the Darth Maul fight.
@@brmbkl I understand and respect what you're saying, however...why did they elect to keep him on as a padawan after Qui-Gon's death since they knew that he was so "messed up" already? To make things even worse, why'd they allow Obi-Wan, a recent padawan himself, to continue his training, knowing not only how potentially strong/dangerous he is, but also how messed up he is?? Like I get the idea that it made sense to keep him close, so he doesn't potentially fall to the darkside if left on his own, but again, to have him train under Obi-Wan at that time was foolish. It pretty much feels like the Jedi council decided to have a change of heart with Anakin because they felt bad that Qui-Gon died, but didn't really care about how he's trained, because he's damaged goods already. Its not a slight against Obi-Wan, it just feels like this very young man who was still progressing had to unexpectedly take on a child as his ward even if he did ask to do it.
I don't understand what you mean by Obi-Wan being the "only one left after the Darth Maul fight." The Jedi council was still fully intact at that time...and even if Obi-Wan was adamant about training Anakin, they could've/should've said NO.
@@brmbkl The council did in fact fail him. They failed him big time. You can't expect a lost child to be obedient emotionless trooper. Every damn time he searched for help, every time he asked his mentors for some advice he was ignored, neglected. They tried to convince him that his emotions don't matter even if it was just something as human as fear about his dear ones lives. No one is too messed up to recover - that is the boomer logic to deal with mental health and they deserve all the backlash for that. It's not Anakin who's responsible for death of millions. It's Mace WIndu, it's Yoda, it's Obiwan - only they are to blame as Anakin's fall was simply a consequence of their own actions.
The Prequels age like a fine wine.
I loved the prequels, sure it had at times pretty crap dialogue but I still loved it
Wrong. They taste like cats piss.
@@jackdubz4247 why do you not like them
To use a quote that often goes unappreciated: “Well, it takes a while for this stuff to ferment.”
@@jackdubz4247
Why do you know what cat piss tastes like?
I never understood how people thought Anakin’s turn was rushed. We got eps 1, 2 and 3 and clone wars and comics and novels. Even 1-3 explained it so well and there is 10 years between 1 and 2 and 3 years between 2 and 3.
You have to remember that 1 2 and 3 came out first followed by the other source material, and some elements of the movie's execution may have distracted from the actual storytelling which is sound
It only felt rushed because without all the supplementary material it was, the three movies felt rushed they jumped between so many years that u barley get to experience any of the character progression Lucas should have taken more time with them also had more help with them less yes men around
The Comics, Novels and Most of all The Clone Wars gave us the Character Development that made us understand his Turn, all that material showed the amazing character Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader was Sadly the movies were very lacking in that
But that’s the problem.. the books, comics, and clone was tv show we’re supplemental material. They were supposed to fill in gaps and flesh out characters. You shouldn’t have to consume all of it to understand the movies.. Anakins turn in the movies was rushed, made no sense in context, and was too sudden.
They made the same mistake with the sequel trilogy. You have to read all of the comics and books to understand why Ben fell and really understand VII AJS IX.
If anything it’s too drawn out lmfao
Anakin isn’t bad he is just broken
Not broken either. He's not wrong in what he does. The only thing he ever did wrong was fight and kill the wrong people. He killed innocents Instead of those who deserved it and hurt him. Season 7 clone wars Anakin was the best one imo.
@@adameins5622 he was broken when padme died I mean
He killed kids bro he’s pretty bad
@I have 8 balls now 😂
@@adameins5622 He did all that to get stronger in the dark side so he could accomplish his goals lol
If the Jedi had actually helped Anakin he would’ve been less vulnerable to the dark side. But he was the chosen one, he did bring balance to the force. He destroyed the Jedi, and The Sith.
You should also consider how, at the end, Anakin saw that the Jedi were no different than the Sith because of the line "he's too dangerous to be kept alive." Palpatine said the exact same about Dooku at the start of the movie
Yes. That needs to be brought out more. Windu is acting out the hypocrisy of that ridiculous Karl Popper cartoon that people keep posting on Twitter: "We need to cancel them, because they would cancel us." Right, so you're just as bad, except that you cloak your insistence on having power in the garb of virtue.
I would add, the JEDI could have gone and saved Anakin's mom, Shmi, he didn't have to even do it himself. Except they left her in slavery AFTER taking her son away.
Did you watch TPM? Qui Gon explicitly states that he tried to make a deal with way to to get her out of slavery, but Watto didn’t want to.
@@louismasiello8966 That's Quigon alone, who died. The rest were not so caring.
@@louismasiello8966 I think his point is, the Jedi had the power to remove his mum from slavery, which you would imagine they should due to it being morally right, but they chose not to get involved.
I dont think the Jedi for most part really care about the children's parents. They always got them when their babys so they cna grow up in the order and learn the ways of the Light side of the Force. They problaby didnt went to help Anankins mom because a jedi cant have a strong attachments to others... why they didnt exatly Im not certain but i wouldnt be suprised if it was so anakins training wasnt affected or so he wasnt distracted (since i dont remenber any jedi parenst showing up at the temple to check on their kids).
"Children taken from their homes, and trained to fight" - The First Order. Dun dun dduuuuun
“Don’t overestimate your abilities!”
“I’m not.”
Happy new year!
EXACTLY
Sequels: Can’t give Rey good development with the use of 3 movies.
Prequels: Uses all 3 movies and a 7 Season Series for development and it works perfectly.
To be honest, even without the clone wars series , Anakin’s character development was still well portrayed
they also accused his padawan of bombing the jedi temple, then forced her out of the order by not owning up to there mistake
@Lionhart Would you return to those who threw you out without a thought.
@Lionhart yea they said “this was your jedi trials” and didn’t apologize
@@thaddaeusr.9020 only Mace said that most other Jedi apologized
That was super fucked up. They did Ashoka so dirty
The thing that makes it even more shitty. Is they pushed her away because Tarkin told them too. Tarkin said, “the senate suggests to expel Ahsoka Tano.” And they ACTUALLY go with this even when Obi-Wan says they shouldn’t.
It pisses you off even more because this makes you realize they’ll just listen to the senate blindly.
SWT: “I will change your View of Anakin’s turn...”
SWT: regurgitates everything I say when I go into my downward spiral of defense for Anakin
Me: “I have done that myself!” 😂
Me: "You cannot change my view because I already share your view.
same. who still argues the 'turn' was too quick or unjustified?
im confused???
i thought everything SWT just said is how every1 saw it and i dont get how people can see anakin differently
@@EvilNecroid same here. pretty simple if you ask me
The Jedi failed Anakin. They suppressed and feared him. They had good intentions, but they lacked a "human" touch. The order was very much at fault for his fall
Yes they lack the human touch because their purpose is to be beyond human nature. Anakin is corrupted in that sense and that's why he fell to the dark side.
They saw this when they questioned him. They shouldn't have trained him to be a Jedi but perhaps work together with the Order as a civilian.
@@christopherstein2024 The Jedi needed to change that, they needed to find a middle ground that would allow them to be human and still be beyond human nature at the same time. It was their failure to allow themselves to change to undergo a reformation that doomed them in the end. They became too dogmatic, too arrogant, and too subservient to a corrupt senate.
@Christopher Stein Hard to say what a Jedi’s purpose is. Even they themselves thought they were guardians of the republic. But what if the republic is corrupt? What if someone people don’t want Jedi interference at every turn? Is it their purpose to steal innocent kids from their homes and indoctrinate them? They grew fat and arrogant. The Jedi order was so far past its purpose at the point it fell I’m pretty convinced it was the will of the force to have Anakin bring balance to it. Then later in his life being balance by killing the Emperor.
Look at what Dave Filoni said about Qui-Gon duelling Maul on Naboo. There’s that legendary score the Dual of the fates by John Williams. Dave said George Lucas told him that the Dual was actually over the well-being and future of Anakin and had Qui-gon felled Maul instead he would of been a father to Anakin where as he got an overbearing big brother in Obi-wan instead to show him the way. Qui-gon was something of a rogue Jedi like Anakin himself. He wasn’t allowed on the council because he disagreed with a lot of their dogmatic ways, Believed their minds closed to many things and believed the attachment thing to be silly. And he was RIGHT!
I know people love Obi-Wan, Yoda, Luke. All loveable good hearted characters. But often misguided and wrong. Yoda says as much to older Luke. If you want to see an archetypal Jedi as they should be not as they thought they should be look no further than Qui-Gon Jinn!
It was Qui-Gon through the force who showed them how to become Force ghosts. He was way beyond his time and actually wiser than Yoda believe it or not and it’s mad to me that people don’t realise George wrote him as the sort of the only true Jedi of that time. The rest were lost or misguided.
Most ppl don't realize but the irony is if he never turned to the dark side padme wouldn't have died, it was because of anakin why she died & that makes it even more unfortunate & sad