Vader's Thoughts if Anakin NEVER Turned to the Dark Side - INCREDIBLE
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
- In this video let's look at the excerpt from dark lord the rise of darth vader where Vader wonders what would have happened had Anakin never turned to the dark side and remained a Jedi. What happens to Luke and Leia Skywalker? Would Anakin Skywalker still be with Padme and would the Jedi allow this?
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Light-Side Grandmaster Anakin Skywalker would be unstoppable
Instead we have Light Side Grand Master Luke Skywalker. Who basically became the VERSION, Anakin was meant to become.
@@Excalibur2112 Remaining on a remote island drinking blue milk?
@@Excalibur2112 and then Disney destroyed him
@@coldshock5181 I dismiss Disney's abominations, as nothing more than terrible Fan Fiction films.
@@Excalibur2112 A blue alien milk drinking hobo? 😂
I wonder if after qui gonn was killed, the council shifted their mistrust and resentment of him onto Anakin since he was discovered by him. His relationship with the council is very similar to what we know about qui gonn’s
But Qui Gon didn't throw a fit and murder children and people he called family in response.
That's something I never thought of before. I can see it.
That seems plausible because they didn't trust Anakin; Qui Gon was more of a neutral Jedi, opposing the extreme dogma of the Sith and Jedi Orders, where he wanted a balance between the dark and light side teachings and use of the Force, which would put him at odds with the Council. After all, Anakin was deemed too old by the Jedi Council to be indoctrinated thoroughly into the Jedi mindset. Therefore, he might explore dark side teachings and have emotions shunned by the Jedi. Unfortunately, Obi-Wan followed the Jedi Council's attitude of being a purist rather than looking at a balanced view of the Force. Ultimately, had Qui Gon lived, he would be the best master for Anakin, training with someone that doesn't exactly line up with the purist mindset of the Jedi Council, willing to buck the Council if need be. Giving Anakin the best form of training to harness the dark and light side of the Force, to bring balance to the Force as the Chosen One.
@@mstevens94The council has never really stood for the cavalier, yet good nature of the gray Jedi. As we see with Kreia this can become a very dark tool. Even worse than the dark side. Manipulative beyond measure.
@@mstevens94Grey Grandmaster Anakin Skywalker would be a literal unstoppable God.
Disney should hire John and Dave to adapt this novel into live action - would be crazy to see it all from Vaders POV.
Mandalorian season 3
It's actually Jonathan m'kay not John
@@piotrjasinski2130 he‘s talkin about John Favereau...duh 🙄 who is “Jonathan”?
Jonathan is his name 💀
Please no, keep them away 🤢
I still want a Clone Wars art style Darth Vader show
Maybe one day it will happen with Dave Filoni
Anakin could've left the Order right away after they denied him the rank of master and asked him to spy on Palpatine. He knew the war was about to end with the death of Grievous, and now he can focus on Padme and children
That wouldn’t have stopped Sidious.
@@bigevil1001 You are correct. If left the Jedi order after killing Sidious he would have his happy ending. how ever this Sidious deception. He trick Anakin to think he had to turn to dark side to have happy ending. To only realized that Turing to dark side cause the tragedy he trying to be prevent by time of return of Jedi.
I heard a thing on a UA-cam real that he also wasn’t appointed master because 1 requirement of a master is having your padawan reaching Jedi knight. And as we saw, Ahsoka left the Jedi academy without becoming a Jedi knight, so that was one of the reasons he wasn’t given the rank of master. @Star Wars Theory
Imagine a jedi civil war between a new order led by anakin and the old order with yoda mace obi wan etc.
Yes please! Make that a movie or television series! 😮 I'd watch
So imagine Jedi not being Jedi. Never have I seen the blackwashing of the Jedi summed up so succintly.
This was my first Star Wars book I've ever read and fell in love with. Now I have about 10 under my belt. I really think they should make more shows or movie's regarding the Old Republic or pre-Skywalker saga.
I want a full reboot of the saga as an alternate timeline in which Qui-Gon lives and becomes Anakins master and the whole story unfolds differently. I’m genuinely bored of the story never seeing a different take on it. I always have and will prefer films 1-3 over 4-6 (although they’re also brilliant). I want an alternate story where Anakin is either trained by Qui-Gon, or he doesn’t turn during Ep3.
Would be interesting. Let’s say Darth Maul knocks Qui Gon off the ledge and Obi Wan takes him on 1v1 then gets felled by the Sith Lord, and Qui Gon then defeats him and trains Anakin 🤔
Same, but didn't he turn during Episode 2 when he massacred women and children?
Remember the words of Darth 'I told you the truth from a certain point of view' Ben.... ONLY sith deal in absolutes 😎
Non canon stories are boring because they're even less real than the fictional ones
And Then Luke Turns to the Dark side and Leia becomes a jedi and try to save him while grand master anakin is watchin pod racing
They should have kept this Canon. It's completely realistic to Vaders psychology. It actually allows the reader to feel conflicted with the morality of Anakins actions during operation nightfall. Slaughtering the younglings in cold blood was wrong and betraying his friend and master was heartbreaking, but allowing the jedi to limp on its last leg for further decades while he served their dogma was unacceptable. It had to fall.
This novel and Shatterpoint are two of the best (my fav) Star Wars novels. Both are so good. I always liked that Qui-Gon was the only REAL Jedi in the entire order with Dooku being the only one close, but Dooku strayed down the wrong path thinking it was the just and correct way to go, only to be mislead again by Sidious.
I think there is an obvious response the Jedi leadership could have taken with Anakin. Namely - Yoda, who had been proclaimed as the most impactful Jedi ever, took many decades to achieve master. The important point being rank doesn't matter, positive impact does.
I absolutely loved this novel! James Luceno is my favorite "legends" writer.
Anakin was right to be concerned that the Jedi would take his kid(s). They did, after all, have the legal right to take/conscript all force sensitive children in the Galaxy. The Jedi had a reputation among some angry parents as baby stealers .
@@sheevpalpatine2128 Well then you are lost!!!!
You'd think that would be a big concern in epIII. Gosh, almost like a Legends author has once again written the Jedi contrary to their stated values in search of cheap drama and moral grayness.
@@mpnuorva taking children is part of the jedi core values
Did they though? I don’t remember seeing that or reading it anywhere. Besides they don’t forcibly take kids u less they are orphaned and have no children. Don’t they always ask for permission? Genuinely asking. If you have actually evidence, please provide so I can catch up with the times
Parents*
Crushing it. I wish they would just openly admit the legends had some hits and start taking more from it.
Cool intro, I like it
Tho I like the idea that we should start calling it The Old Canon instead of Legends. Considering what they did with Disney Canon (that feels more like badly written tumblr fanfic), I don't think they should have the power to tell us what we should be calling canon or not.
Same with Slave-1. Just because Disney wanted to erase that name, doesn't mean we should listen to them.
I've always believed in this mind set.
A Star Wars fan’s head canon is still more close alot of the time to what Disney wants for Star Wars, closer to George means closer to actual canon
@@DefecTec I think you had a stroke at the end of that
@@Pir-o George Lucas literally made most of everything you love so put some respect on his name
@@DefecTec I did. You just suck at english
To think that all it would have taken was Ahsoka deciding to accept her Knighthood would have made Anakin a Master... that one decision potentially caused Vader. To be fair to Windu, a Master needs to prove they are capable of training a Padawan to Knighthood and by the time Anakin was on the council, he hadn't done that. On one hand, he had never trained someone to Jedi Knight, but on the other hand he had trained someone to the point where the council was prepared to offer a knighthood to Ahsoka. So technically he wasn't eligible but in reality, he had shown he was capable. If Ahsoka had said yes, he would have been granted the rank by default. That was the moment that caused Vader to exist imo.
Films: The council deems Anakin unworthy before Ahsoka is even conceived of.
Legends: So here's this formality the council is being a stickler to so we don't have to admit it's about Anakin being unworthy. Also we made Jedi practice forced recruitment despite that running contrary to their ability to leave on their own volition.
And people wonder why Filoni was given a blank check to ignore Legends.
From Empire Strikes Back when Yoda was talking to Luke I got the impression that a Jedi master with years of training could be more powerful than a Sith master, but on the low end the difference is greater. Like taking a drug. And like taking a drug eventually the dark side eats away at you and you do terrible things to keep the rush of having that power. You become an addict and a slave to the dark side.
Basically power wise the floor is higher for a Sith, but the ceiling is higher for a Jedi.
You are doing a wonderful job explaining Legends Star Wars with old school fans like me who only watched the movies and read the initial Zahn trilogy.
Great video as always.. I wish Disney would've had this in the Obi-Wan Kenobi show I wanted to see Darth Vader in the Jedi temple and at Padma grave
I was hoping there would be a scene of Anakin dueling and defeating Cin Drallin in Kenobi.
Loved that book! Kind of always wanted to see a fanfic realized with Anakin as a Master Jedi after defeating Sidious, following Qui-Gon’s foothsteps and refusing a seat on the council and him raising his kids in the Order.
I remember after Anakin told Mace Windu that Palpatine was the Sith Lord and insisted that he join the other Jedi to arrest him that Mace Windu basically told Anakin, no stay here I don't trust you and will only trust you if what you said turns out to be true... Seriously Mace Windu pretty much pushed Anakin to the dark side... Of course Palpatine was manupilating Anakin and tricked him too but that only worked because the other Jedi were not close enough to Anakin... Still the Empire was worse than the corrupt Republic and I wonder if Vader ever realized that fact.
THIS! In the end, Palpatine won because the Jedi were being idiots...Mace Windu most of all. Had Mace let Anakin go with him, things would've gone a LOT better.
Not only that but Mace was the one that told him, to his face, that he would be on the council but not be recognized as a master. I think that was the point of no return for him.
He was the chosen one, however he was the first ever to be on the council without the rank of Master.
He was right not to trust him?
It wasn’t a matter of him being unworthy but simply the fact that he could literally sense their was conflict in Anakin’s mind at the moment.
If Anakin actually stayed in the council room like he was asked, the Empire would have never formed.
The jedi were extremely stupid ESPECIALLY Mace they all knew how much Anakin respected and loved Palpatine IF HE said Palpatine was a Sith lord he's a fucking Sith Lord and Anakin had every fucking right to keep that a secret but didn't
@@AbsurdFalcon You are right but for some dumb reason Mace Windu is hated by this newer generation of star wars fans.
It can only be a result of Dave Filoni's work.
6:02 I have a theory that Luke got stronger faster cuz the comics explain that he trained for longer than we all thought, but he involuntarily used the darkside through fear.
Didn't luke encourage his students to use the dark side in order to better combat it?
@@adamt2564 that's what he did in legends but Disney canon made him a pretty shit character
Still one of my favorite books, Dark Lord Rise of Lord Vader 🌋🤘 Thanks for covering it Genaral Theory
The "what if" series of Marvel turned out awesome! if Dave and John can pull off a alternate Anakin timeline, I would pay left kidney to watch it!
Excellent video Theory, love the deeper dives on Vader such an amazing character
How such powerful organization like Jedi Order, where some like Mundi had family, didn’t think for a moment to spend a moment of their time and resources to secure Anakin’d mother to not let anyone gain leverage over him is beyond plot hole of any size.
I loved this on audible, especially Vaders thoughts going through what each part of his suit does and him returning to the Jedi temple
Hey Theory, love the content, been a fan for a bit now and we all really appreciate the content mate!
love your take on the extra material my friend...thank you
I think it would be really cool if palpatine tried to keep dark side anakin in place and hit him with force lighting and then Vader anakin unscarred just absorbed it and then learned how to use force lightning and wrecked him
Theory your simply the best man 🙏my favorite Star Wars UA-camr of all time , i whole heartedly know and believe you love Star Wars more then Disney EVER WILL. Your the GOAT man!
Love the classic style content Theory!
You should do a fan theory on what would happen if Padme had Luke and Leia a few days/weeks earlier that originally. Such a small change would have such a huge impact I would imagine.
Yes.
“Huh, I guess she’ll be fine then. I guess I’ll just leave the Order to be with my wife and kids now.”
*end credits*
Although Palpatine would have still executed Order 66 and taken over the galaxy
You should do a video about what Vader thought he was doing for Luke by trying to turn him to the dark side. He probably still felt like the Jedi were taking his son from him. I’ve read the Legends books and this video made me think of that angle.
You're amazing! Keep up the great work!
It's interesting how you say about them telling Anakin to be mindful as Qui Gon said the same thing to 9yr old Anakin and he listened but they didn't keep telling him that and if so it would have kept him from falling. I asked an AI this and it said that would have been the case so thats something to think of.
Keep covering this great book Theory! It's nice to see you making videos about the wonderful Legends stuff that Disney would rather we all forgot and buried to make way for their stuff.
So cool…. Legends material is gold
Padawan: Grandmaster Skywalker, why do you have us practice force pushing sand into lava?
Anakin: Why sand is the element of our enemy young padawan…it’s rough…and gets everywhere…
If Anakin Skywalker reached his full potential and followed the force, he would be the most powerful Jedi to ever exist.
No. That would be Light-side Revan assuming the Jedi council of the old republic would rise to the occasion of destroying the mandalorian invasion. However they chose to keep Malak and Revan in the dark and forced them to act out of desperation. Call it dark side, I think they did the right thing and lost themselves along the way.
@@VespasianJudea Nah, George Lucas said it himself. If Anakin did reach his full potential with no injuries, he would be the most powerful Jedi to ever exist. Revan is powerful, but his medichlorian count is nowhere near Anakin Skywalker's midichlorian count.
Finally someone else who gets it.
watch the behind the scenes of Obi Wan Kenobi man. There is the part with Hayden trying on some jedi robes with his old saber. And I just saw him, looking older and with more limbs being attached to his body than in Revenge Of The Sith, and I just wondered: what if?
I wouldn't say Anakin was more powerful then all of his teachers, you have to remember when Obi Wan and Anakin were fighting, Obi wan wasn't just fighting Anakin, he was fighting himself as well, you have to remember that he told Yoda he couldn't kill Anakin because he was his brother. So I think its important to remember Obi Wan was probably fighting Anakin as well as his own thoughts and feelings about not wanting to get rid of Anakin, but to help him, but also knowing he had to do what he must. I think this is not only clearly shown in movie 3, but as well in the Obi Wan series with Obi Wan vs Vader. One other thing too is that Anakin/Vader never actually beats Obi Wan in any fights. Even when Obi Wan gets old and is struck down by Vader, his last words were "I will become even more powerful than you" and from some of the comics I have seen after this engagements Obi Wan tends to Haunt, and torture Vader with his own thoughts Until the end. Obi Wan the MVP here :P
They need to adapt some legends material. I don’t understand how they aren’t doing something like this with Clone Wars animation. Just breaking down what would’ve happened
Paying authors is a no-no to Disney. That's why even their non-canon material like Visions is all original. George fucked up when he sold to these greedy bastards.
They were scared of him. They could not control him once he was brought to his full potential. I think if they would have taught him and taught him thier wisdom instead of trying to force thier will on him things would have turned out much different. However there is still the fact that thing we're skewed heavily to the light side. Maybe it had to happen that way. After he went dark there were only two sith and two jedi. Afterwards you had Luke whom found balance between both.
Where did you find that image of Anakin in the thumbnail? It’s cool.
I love the legends material please keep these coming like you’ve done in the past.
This makes me wonder that if Vader felt the Jedis choice to not utilize the Dark Side was wrong then why would he believe that ONLY following the Dark Side was the right choice? It’s just switching from one extreme to another.
Honestly I don’t like how stuff tries to side with anakin. Yes the Jedi council made mistakes with anakin, but he still absolutely did not deserve the rank of master and they were right in their ways of not giving it to him.
Exactly! Anakin lacked the discipline and wisdom that was a prerequisite to become a jedi master! He was just selfish and power hungry. Sidious even mocked how easy it was to manipulate Anakin to turn to the dark side.
Yeah he was selfish and power hungry but on the other hand, council was kinda rude to him (especially Windu)
And didn't trust him, so why would he trust them?
And he was already fought in so many battles in clone wars and killed Count Dooku, and could already win almost every council member in combat.
Now that does not give you right to be selfish but you can see that point of view.
@@demetsi884 the reason the council didn’t trust him was because of his own actions. He was always disobeying their orders and did whatever he wanted to do
@@jacksonyon5276 Sure, but also good things often happened when he didn't follow the orders
Im just saying you can understand why he did not trust the council, im def not saying he was right or necessarily had right to be angry with council
But im saying you can understand him
Than how comes Disney is making rey a jedi master 💀💀💀
Palpatine : DDEW IT
Anakin : Ehh? How about no?
*Credit rolls*
Although Vader viewed the council's dogmatic approach towards limiting power as their flaw, their efforts can be justified. Their method to training jedi in the Force can be justified by the fact that it was their earnest effort to prevent a student from becoming too powerful and destroy the Jedi Order. They lacked trust in Anakin and because of that they were hesitant to give him access to more training and power. There has to be a balance between showing restraint and allowing students to chase their potential, especially when there is a possibility that that student could become a threat to the existence of the jedi. The Sith encourage their apprentices to learn everything their master's know and all secrets of the Force. And what usually happens for the Sith? The apprentice plots to kill the master and take his/her place. The worst fear of a jedi master is accidentally creating a sith or an enemy to the jedi order and the peace.
I would say that probably the most kickass story to tell in Star Wars, is that down to the moment Palpatine thwarted Windu, and he turns to Anakin to sway him to the darkness, Anakin would hear the calling of the good in him, and still say no, and despite the great anxiety and anger that may course through his veins, he clings to what is good and take on Palpatine by himself, however Palpatine in their intense fight, subdued Anakin and knock him out unconscious, and Order 66 is still carried out, destroying the Jedi Order.
Anakin, however, would regain consciousness and break through the ranks of the clones and return to the Jedi Temple to help the younglings escape , i.e., a revamped scene where they pleaded with him what are the to do in this time, Anakin shows the kindness that is in him and offers solidarity and safety, and helps them escape, instead of, well... what ACTUALLY happened.
But as of this happens, but the conflict and confusion still resides in Anakin about saving Padmes life when she goes into labor as he's rescuing younglings and kicking clone trooper ass, and even THAT creates conflict because he has fought along side these clones in the war that have waged on, and they tirelessly served under him, and now, like a flip of a switch, all of a sudden forgot that, and let loose and destroyed the Jedi.
I've literally thought all of this shit out, even went as far as being able to recreate all into the events of Episodes 4,5, and 6, basically saying this would happen had Anakin never turned but Order 66 still happened, even going as far as to replacing Darth Vaders role with Darth MAUL, as a newly renowned apprentice of Palpatine, (So basically pitting The Skywalker bloodline against Maul as the Dark Lord of the Sith). I even came up with the idea of a BADASS final fight with Luke and Anakin against Maul and Sidious and Sidiouses royal guard, where Maul is finally killed by Luke, and Anakin kills Sidious, fulfilling the prophecy.
Someone should let Disney know of this idea.
Doing a “what if” show for this would be amazing
I gotta say this feels like return to your roots and why i subed years ago
Anakin went to the darkside because being a Jedi was basically not being human, you cant get rid of human emotions
Very good points. I'm a bit disappoint in Obi-Wan because of Gui-Gons teachings, and he used little of it, even if he knows and says at some point how blind the Jedi are, Yoda says it also at some point, but don't remember when.
The Point with the Jedi don't give him the status of a Master was if I recall correct was because of the intervention from Sidious how insist that Anakin get a seat in the High Council and yes from their point it was a no-go, and I think that's exactly was the Plan of Sidious, he knows it would be an affront on both sides.
You forgot a big reason why he wanted to become master. There were certain archives that only Masters can access in the Temple Library.
More of these please ST 💪🏽💯
I think it could be good if anakin Skywalker learn of the gray Jedi order he could have learn dark and light.
The book does a good job on portraying Vader's mindset... but it's more to rationalize the situation he was in. For by that time, he was essentially alone with no one that loved him or cared for him. For Vader would have also surely recognized that his suit really didn't help him all that much... it gave him some means of protection against things... but it also left him in constant pain, irritated his skin, and kept him away. He couldn't eat or relieve himself in the way others could and thus really couldn't have much in the way of enjoyment. This had to tell him that Palpatine didn't truly care for him personally, merely saw him as a tool to be used. But with Padme gone, no child, and no one to pull him back... Palpatine was all that he had. So, he's rationalizing the mistakes he made and really only looking at things with only "half" the picture.
For in a way, yes, being on the Council and not being a Master was "insulting," but WHO wanted him there? Palpatine, not anyone on the Council. Obi Wan might have supported it, because of his loyalties to Qui Gon, but the rest of the Council viewed Anakin with some degree of suspicion because Anakin acted out in ways that were rather un-Jedi-like and made excuses for Palpatine. And he does this even in "Attack of the Clones," where he essentially says that "someone wise" should just tell people what's best for the galaxy and he says that to Padme's face, which she describes as tyranny, and he just shrugs that off like it is nothing. The Council likely had these fears, and were it not for Palpatine's dealings, they probably would not have even put him on the council... So, Vader is still rationalizing things to excuse Palpatine's actions and shift blame away from himself for siding with Palpatine.
And the thoughts on power and "the Chosen One" play into in another way. Yes, Anakin was called the Chosen One plenty of times, and surely Anakin had heard it... but the prophecy was vague and Yoda even admits in "Revenge of the Sith" that they may have misread it. So they were simply assuming that Anakin would openly fight Sidious as a means to secure that prophecy. And so, if they didn't fully understand how it would work, Anakin, surely wouldn't understand any better... and with his tendencies shown in the prequels, we also get the sense that Anakin, while powerful, is not necessarily controlled or thoughtful. It's more that he reacts to things rather than thinking and considering all his options or all things. There is no consideration of what other may think. And that sort of shows when Padme confronts Vader. When Padme recognizes what's happening... she DOESN'T blame Obi Wan or the Jedi or the Republic. She says, "Anakin, you're breaking my heart." But Anakin cannot accept that, because that would imply that HE made mistakes.
So, by the time that the events of the book take place, Vader is still trying to rationalize what happened and excuse his own behavior to make him seem the victim of a plot by someone else. Despite the fact that everything that happened was largely a result of his own actions. Which reflects on how much Anakin often dwells on his power in the prequels. But power is not the same thing as mastery. Mastery requires time and effort to hone that power. And while Anakin had learned a lot since coming to the Jedi, it's not like he truly gained the skill to be a Jedi Master... The power was there, certainly, but as with many other things, the Council, with the possible exception of Obi Wan, noted that a lot of Anakin's actions betrayed more of their worries and concerns, which only made them question as to if he truly had mastered what would be needed to be a Jedi. For in Anakin's mind, being able to beat Dooku was more than enough to prove things, even though he even admitted that it wasn't "the Jedi way." Yet, he never stops to think through things... like why Palpatine ordered him to murder Dooku and he responded without a second thought and only snapped out of it after Dooku was dead. Which is again more a reaction to things than thinking through things... and in this, one could make the clear case that Anakin wasn't a master but an exceptionally powerful knight, at best...
But by the timeframe of this book, Vader can't concede any sort of concept on where HE was wrong, so, he just rationalizes that the Jedi, or Obi Wan, or someone else held him back because they feared his power... when power was never what they truly worried about. But it lets Vader rationalize what he did and absolve himself of guilt and continue to serve the man who manipulated him.
NEW INTRO GOES INSANELY HARD GOOD WORK THEORY
If the dark side gives you more power faster, why are the inquisitors so weak compared to jedi/padawans whose training was halted or severely restricted?
Midichlorian count matters for how powerful you are
Anakin had more midichlorians than any being in the entire universe
Do you think because of how quigon denied the seat and basically did whatever he wanted, do you think that influenced the Jedi counsel in making decisions about Anakin
Let's see... does that influence their relationship with, say, Obi-Wan Kenobi? Oh lookie, it doesn't. Almost as if it was always supposed to be about Anakin's personal character deficiencies.
these are really nice thumbnails theory, really cool seeing the artwork!
Had Vader not lost to Obi-Wan on Mustafar he would have killed Sidious and hunted down Yoda and killed him too, leaving the Galaxy to Vader's will for him and his children. I believe Anakin wouldn't be fully sith he would have a balance between the two and teach his kids to do the same. Anakin Skywalker would have been the most powerful being in Star Wars.
Okay so you belive validation of all the reasons he became a Sith results in him rejecting that and being in harmony and violation of the Force at the same time?
First from Berlin - may the force be with you all!
I'm literally re-reading this novel right now. I re-read the Dark Lord trilogy (Labyrinth of Evil, ROTS and Dark Lord) every few years.
I think Regardless from Legends/Lucas Canon and Disney's canon Anakin was right, essentially how Mace treated Ahsoka when she returned to the temple about the information with Maul
If your taking about her being called a citizen and him refusing to share more about Anakin:
1.She literally called herself just a citizen moments before.
2.Sharing info with someone who’s been out of the fold and isn’t military personnel is a horrible idea, especially on an open communication channel being monitored when the topic is of Skywalkers work spying on the Chancellor.
@@AbsurdFalcon It's exactly bout the citizen thing. Yes she was a concerned citizen but the Jedi were ready to have Ahsoka back even if it was for a one time thing as much as her former Clone Troopers accepting her back even for a one time mission with open arms, yet Mace was as hostile towards her as ever when HE was the biggest reason why Ahsoka left in the first place. The rest of the council admitted "they fucked up" while Mace was "this could have been a apart of your trials and you overcame it"
@@SetoShadowVT 1.Even if she was back in the order at that time, they still wouldn’t have told her about Anakin’s assignment, in the movie they were being extremely careful about it because it was treason.
At most she would have just been told “it’s classified” without elaboration.
2.Mace wasent bullshitting about believing the ordeal was her real trail, in fact the council genuinely believed her victory came about because the will of the force and that her demeanor through the ordeal proved her readiness to become a knight.
Hell, originally the writers planned for her to rejoin as a knight in that episode but the script was then changed to having her leave the order.
Nice viewpoint! I enjoyed this informative video! Good stuff!
That the problem tho! Anakin during RoTS was nowhere near as powerful as Sidious. He would be cut down pretty easily.
For as benevolent as the Jedi are portrayed, ironically they lack one of the most virtuous of human senses. Empathy.
If Qui-Gon survived, he alone may have been the Jedi to show Anakin the love, empathy, and understanding he needed. Anakin went through terrible pain, all the way from childhood.
I totally understand his resentment for the Jedi council, and I believe that this resentment led him to become Vader. Even more so than the loss of Padme.
Palpatine knew he was a simp for padme. And couldn’t stand to lose her. That’s what made him turn.
Awesome Legends transition up front!
It makes me curious if things would have turned out any different if Qui-Gon had been on the Jedi Council… 🤔
There needs to be a “what if” timeline of Star Wars.
I think Vader is half right about the council, they do fear the dark side. Truly following the force means using both the light and dark side, but letting neither control you.
This is foolish thinking, because the Dark Side is a drug. A lot of Jedi like Dooku and Anakin operated under the delusion that they were they were strong enough to not allow it to control them, and they had to find out firsthand that it was virtually impossible to break its hold on them. Any reasonable person would fear the dark side, as it eventually destroys the user as well as everyone around them.
Imo from reading about both the dark and light neither is correct, it's about what you do with the gift otherwise you're another pawn for an even bigger scheme.
@@bellattery I think that's fair.
For as enlightened as the jedi thought they were you'd think they'd get a fuggin therapist.
I have the audio book and it's great, but I like "Darth Plagueis" better and that story should also be canon - in my world it is. 🙂
On the whole not being granted the title of master thing, he may have been the chosen one, he may have been more powerful than most of the other Jedi, he may have been more skilled, but the reason he didn’t earn the title of master is because of his immature personality and his inability to control his emotions. That was probably the most important thing about being a Jedi master and he couldn’t do it. The fact he turned on the Jedi and even killed younglings all because he wasn’t given the title he wanted goes to show that he absolutely wasn’t deserving of the title master yet, he basically threw the biggest tantrum the galaxy had ever seen. And he also wasn’t very smart because he didn’t understand that reacting to his dream about padme dying is the reason she’ll die, clearly the future is connected to your dream meaning the future will happen because you had the dream, he should’ve realized that and not paid any attention to it. He’s absolutely my favorite character, not darth Vader, anakin, but even I can see that he was just a big baby and fucked up everyone’s life around him. Even if the Jedi weren’t a very great order and should have been dismantled, it shouldn’t have been like that.
I’ve often wondered what the prophecy meant about “bringing balance to the force”.
At one point, I thought it meant reducing the number of Jedi or force-users but that doesn’t make sense to me anymore. The Force is everywhere and everyone, and there’s nothing wrong with so many people learning to explore and use it.
I believe that the balance was towards how and why the Force was being used. The Jedi had become so corrupt that the balance became very uneven. It was no longer towards the Force but rather towards politics and maintaining the status quo.
That being said, I do believe that Anakin could have changed so much if he had learned to be patient, control his emotions, and trust in the Force. Balance didn’t have to be achieved by going down a very dark, genocidal path. It could have been achieved over time through organic change of within.
Much like how the Dark Side can give one power and results quickly, Anakin does exactly that with his destiny to restore balance. But it wasn’t towards the Force, it was towards his win own self-interests and desires. If he had been more in tune with the Force and more in control of his emotions, then he could have achieved balance perhaps over the course of his lifetime from the Light Side.
I’ve come to realize that Balance was going to be achieved no matter what happened. Dark or Light, the corruption would be balanced once again for that is the purpose of the scales. It all just depended on how Anakin went about it.
Good shit, Theory! I love the original “theory” videos ❤
Damn I never really thought about the Jedi overstepping and attempting to take custody of Anakin's children. That would definitely lead to violence with Anakin or he may have just straight up left the order with his children like Ahsoka did. Now whether the Jedi would pursue him attempting to kidnap his children is a different story but I dont think the Jedi would be THAT paranoid considering the galaxy would finally be at peace with the CIS/Dark Side defeated.
It's Legends. Jedi doing stupid shit that runs contrary to their values to create drama is the norm.
That was the excellent way of explaining it love it....👏💯👍😁
I love this video no joke!!! "The council wanted everyone to stay weak and not to experience their full potential with the force". In the beginning there were no Jedi or Sith...just force users channeling that power to the max when in need. No rules, no codex no light or dark side just the force. The light side and the dark side were two sides of the same medal and the force user himself chose his side. If they´d just let their emotions flow and then bring them under control they´d jump annother 10 levels of what they´re capable of. Anakin was able to easily defeat Dooku a master duelist who even stood his ground against grandmaster yoda himself bc he let his emotions flow and used his strength, speed, combat experience and his force to totally stomp him into the ground. The chosen had to bring balance to the force aka use the force like it was meant to be used by making no difference between light and darkness. The Jedi council REALLY screwed up alot of things.
Loved every bit of this. He did make what he deemed was a right decision to join the Sith. The only thing is that, his morality became so confused in doing so that he became desensitised to anything other than his rage, which resulted in actions like killing younglings and strangling his pregnant wife being seen as justified. You can’t partner with evil and not expect it to consume you wholly. His whole story is a tragic self-sabotage. The fear of something can eventually lead to the realisation of it.
Qui-Gon Jinn was not a member of the council, so not a Master in rank. He was referred to as master by Padawans and non-jedi as a token of office, like the commander of a naval vessel being referred to as captain despite their actual rank.
Anakin not being granted the rank of master was a way to curb Daddy Palps’ influence, but Anakin saw it as a personal insult. Had he been ready, he’d have recognized that. Ironically enough, his little tantrum proved Mace Windu right.
Love your editing
That's why Count Dooku is one of my favorite characters of SW. He knew ALL this mess inc. His only mistake was going desperate to be sided to Palpatine. He could have been a very powerfull mentor to Anakin.
Yoda: "lies and deceits are the ways of the dark". Jedi Concil: " we need you (anakin) to spy Chancellor (for better or worst, was like a father figure to anakin) and report to us."
I see this as a possible timeline accessible from The World Between Worlds
This is good content. Thank you
Tldr"from his point of view, the Jedi are evil" lol
Haven’t been on this channel in a while, did your movie with the mace windu story line? Come out already?
Would love is if they did a Star Wars "What If" series and show what if Anakin never turned and he and Ahsoka fought together during Order 66.
In My View, When Others Do What's Wrong that Dosen't Justify You Doing What's Wrong! Wrong is Still Wrong, No Matter Who's Doing it and Why! If Other's Are Doing What's Wrong, You can Still Do What's Right! ❤
A Star Wars "What if" would be awesome, a lot of potential.
In all fairness his assessment of the order in his time under Yoda vs the High Republic era where everyone could have their own view of the force (hence multitude of lightsaber colors existing beyond Blue and green) is correct
I don’t want to be that guy, but how are there blood stains? Blaster bolts and lightsabers don’t create wounds that bleed. I’m missing something. May need to read the book.
I guess this wasnt like that back then. In ANH kenobi cut off ponda babas arm which bled and in the star wars republic comic series, which was released between 1998 and 2006, many people were shot and stabbed by laser bolts and sabers what made them bleed.
@@aimzbenji well, you learn something everyday. Thanks for that.
This is very impressive. Very. I agree with Vader. Everything he says makes sense. Jedi wanted to stop everyone,to control them. They held them back. I think they would take his children. Qui-Gon and Dooku were also right. The Force will be with you too. Always :)
Does anyone know whsts happened to Nerd Theory? Seems like videos have been removed and no new episodes for over a month?
The thumbnail is so cool where did you get the anakin image? Thanks for your answer 🙂
This was a good video. I don't know why, after learning that Disney has, in fact, blacklisted you, you still use their terminology. This is Expanded Universe lore, not "Legends" material. Keep up the great work!
Awesome vid great insights