This along with stack creep from ERP and SCADA vendors help to explain why conversations around MES are so damn confusing! Thanks for this video. Very helpful.
Would be interested in a video that shows what a MES isn't and what are the biggest mistakes in implementing/planing a MES (what you need to avoid). What are the expectations from customers and do they fit or should they be adressed somewhere else in the automation stack.
I would like to see MES in action. For example, go to company and do like a 5 second time video on each variable of MES. On the white board it looks nice, but let's see it in action 👍
Sorry, I literally know nothing, so I'm unable to keep up with any of this. I came across this randomly, but ever since I found this video, I saved it in hopes of figuring it out one day. Where do I start? I'm genuinely intrested.
Self research diary entry #1: Ok, I checked the discription and found out that it's related to something called IIoT, which seems to be something about automation, cool!
Self research diary entry #2: Awesome, I found this thing called "Microsoft Azure" for that 'cloud' thing you were talking about in the video. It turns out it can be used for creating multiplayer servers for video games! I'm actually a game designer, so this will be a great thing to pick up!!
Sir, I'm glad that u made video on MES topics.. requesting you to pls make brif video on installation on MES in industry (process, requirement, services, security).. hoping for positive reply.. currently I'm learning MES.. your help would make difference
Thank you for this amazing effort I really learned from you but sometimes I get lost in the middle of the classes because of the lack of knowledge so I want to ask you from where should I start to get the basics then next level I graduated as electronics engineering need I really need your answer?
Hello, Thanks for this interesting videos. I have another definition for MES maybe it could correct... correct me if I'm wrong. MES is monitoring system to control your added value processes with indicators (OEE for example) and track stoppages... I think Quality inspection plan is a part of MOM system because there is no added value when doing Quality inspections and it's triggering a support activity and notion of performance is Not significant for support departments for the industry. This what I understood within my experience on MES 😁 Please let me know what you think about it. Regards.
For any small scale workshop where there is single product manufactured with not bulk quantity, is MES applicable here? Additionally, if there are no digitisation like SCADA/PLC/HMI/DCS?
The job prospects are increasing. MES systems require a lot of customization and nearly all manufacturers require some of the core functions---OEE, downtime tracking---even if it's developed in house. Someone with dcs, hmi, and plant floor experience like yourself would have an advantage.
What about the Execution system,, is it part of MES? I mean is MES responsible for starting and stopping the machine based on the current WO and status of the Production line ?
No. SCADA systems may include an historian or augment a DCS but they're not equivalent to either. Another vid that might be helpful to you on this > ua-cam.com/video/uhZnVwkWgFw/v-deo.html&lc=UgyunuOEGk-xiyUEgbh4AaABAg
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I do like your video but I am not agree on one point... "MES always contains OEE and downtime tracking". Some MES solutions are done to manage all the things that are in blue on your board... but not for OEE and downtime tracking... The thing that is sure... is that MES is very different in each customer... even if you're asked to implement the same functionality...
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I have always consider the MES a graphical visualization interface for ERP plus some SCADA functionalities, nothing more. All its functions of visualization can be logically done in the SCADA layer. Hence the MES is more a marketing repackaged of the SCADA with extension to ERP visualization. As for SPC, it is a statistical module for add-on to either the SCADA or the MES, not something unique to MES. Hence MES as an upper layer to SCADA is unneccessary. It should be taken more as a competing alternative to SCADA.
You might want to reconsider 🙂 at the end of the day all of your functionality is going to exist within a single plan of glass. That’s the Unified Namespace Approach. Keep in mind, MES = Manufactuing execution system. You don’t sell product in the MES and you don’t start a production run from the ERP.
Also Walker said, “It's fair... I would add one additional point: SCADA is process specific, MES is business specific. MES capabilities are generally homogenous -- single pane of glass; SCADA capabilities are generally heterogenous -- extended from the single pane of glass.”
@@4.0Solutions I would say there is a need for visualization of business and process data/information, whether you call it SCADA or MES. I would agree that SCADA is process inclined. Nevertheless it is, in essence, a graphical visualization tool. Hence, in the light of IIoT trends, business and process visualization should be merged, and data flow between the two should be smooth. Indeed, an IIoT is now able to calculate and generate realtime OEE values. I would like to add further that SCADA is not heterogenous, but the devices whose data it integrates are.
@@bteck2005 Would you agree that the graphical representation in SCADA is representative of the process it controls? That is, L1 and L2 screens in ISA-101 SCADA, will not look the same across processes (heterogenous)? Would you also agree that L1 and L2 screens in a digital MES will look the same across processes (homogenous)? I agree 100 that the stack is flattening and in some cases, MES and SCADA functions are merging. It will be interesting to see just how much they converge over time. Thank you for commenting!
@@walkerreynolds973 I do agree that the SCADA screens to show L1 or L2 levels of the processes (a usual practise of showing Overview, Section view, Group view, etc, in increasing details, whether or not under the ISA-101 standard) will be different. But that is because the underlying process flows are different, not in any way due to whether it is SCADA or MES. The MES screens for these differing processes would be different too. Hence the concept of homogeneity (or not it) does not apply to SCADA or MES, as these are just graphical visualization software.
Things like this happen: because I updated a specific version of a web service, the entire MES crashes. I have worked with a tailor-made system and two standard ones; both standard MES were disasters. That's why we still use our tailor-made system.
I have only dabbled with MES so this video is very helpful. Thanks!
Thank you! Glad it was helpful
This along with stack creep from ERP and SCADA vendors help to explain why conversations around MES are so damn confusing! Thanks for this video. Very helpful.
Would be interested in a video that shows what a MES isn't and what are the biggest mistakes in implementing/planing a MES (what you need to avoid). What are the expectations from customers and do they fit or should they be adressed somewhere else in the automation stack.
Excellent suggestion… lets do it!
+1, definitely a great suggestion
I subscribed as soon as I saw the hand motions, he knows his stuff
Thanks, Manuel.
Very Nice introduction and totally relatable. We see exactly the same confused customers you refer to. I'll be watching more. Thank You!
Thanks for subscribing!
Thank you for your video, it's giving much clarity to me about the MES and helping to explain to the customers.
Glad it was helpful!
Brilliant - so informative and well edited video - thank you
Nicely put, this really helps in differentiating all of those jargons
Hey Zack, really like the quick smiley face at 2:55 :) ... LOL.
Lol! Thanks Emile! Trying to keep it fun and refreshing
in Electronic Manufacturing Services (EMS) core feature for MES is parts traceability too. Not a single MES works without
Love the way you teach. So good . Sir
Thanks for the video. superficially the doubts are cleared.
You’re welcome, Manish!
Great Explanation .
Glad it was helpful!
Love this guy the way he teaches and make it simple
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Thank you
3:30 so true! Again, very nice video!
Thank you!
MES is evolving much so MES company is now saying they are doing IIOT, which makes confusion to me
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Very well explained. Thanks for your effort :)
Thank you AJ, Glad it was helpful!
I would like to see MES in action. For example, go to company and do like a 5 second time video on each variable of MES. On the white board it looks nice, but let's see it in action 👍
Great idea!
Thank you instructor.
You're welcome, Douglas. We appreciate the support!
Love your videos
Thank you!
Thanks David!
Thanks for this video. Very useful and simple explanation of MES
Glad to know it was helpful!
Really nice explanation. Thanks
Glad you liked it
Do you have idea on fine reports in MES?
Thanks a lot for share your knowledge, this is the best and quickly explanation I've seem to now 👍👍
Thanks 🙏
If you are really interested in OEE and downtime tracking, is it more than enough to calculate these on the SCADA? I think in many ways to do this.
Build it on top of your IIoT platform. In a micro-service architecture.
Great video thanks!
of course!
So good! Thank you!
when the MES has been implemented, what guarantee that the cooperate would still call the factory for update?
Sorry, I literally know nothing, so I'm unable to keep up with any of this. I came across this randomly, but ever since I found this video, I saved it in hopes of figuring it out one day. Where do I start? I'm genuinely intrested.
Self research diary entry #1:
Ok, I checked the discription and found out that it's related to something called IIoT, which seems to be something about automation, cool!
Self research diary entry #2:
Awesome, I found this thing called "Microsoft Azure" for that 'cloud' thing you were talking about in the video. It turns out it can be used for creating multiplayer servers for video games! I'm actually a game designer, so this will be a great thing to pick up!!
A great place to start learning about IIoT is our Free IIoT Mini-Course. You can take a look at it here: www.iiot.university/iiot-mini-course
@@4.0Solutions Awesome, thanks
Sir, I'm glad that u made video on MES topics.. requesting you to pls make brif video on installation on MES in industry (process, requirement, services, security).. hoping for positive reply.. currently I'm learning MES.. your help would make difference
Thank you for this amazing effort I really learned from you but sometimes I get lost in the middle of the classes because of the lack of knowledge so I want to ask you from where should I start to get the basics then next level I graduated as electronics engineering need I really need your answer?
Hello,
Thanks for this interesting videos.
I have another definition for MES maybe it could correct... correct me if I'm wrong.
MES is monitoring system to control your added value processes with indicators (OEE for example) and track stoppages...
I think Quality inspection plan is a part of MOM system because there is no added value when doing Quality inspections and it's triggering a support activity and notion of performance is Not significant for support departments for the industry.
This what I understood within my experience on MES 😁
Please let me know what you think about it.
Regards.
For any small scale workshop where there is single product manufactured with not bulk quantity, is MES applicable here?
Additionally, if there are no digitisation like SCADA/PLC/HMI/DCS?
And where is the automated WMS ( Warehouse Management System ) and MFC ( Material Flow Control ) ?
Is more related with how raw and wip material is whare housed and the management of it for provide to production lines as work order
Traceability and genealogy is a very critical metric most MES will have
What are job prospective in future ,I am in dcs hmi engineer trying to shift to MES jobs
The job prospects are increasing. MES systems require a lot of customization and nearly all manufacturers require some of the core functions---OEE, downtime tracking---even if it's developed in house. Someone with dcs, hmi, and plant floor experience like yourself would have an advantage.
What about the Execution system,, is it part of MES?
I mean is MES responsible for starting and stopping the machine based on the current WO and status of the Production line ?
Would SCADA be equivalent to a data historian and/or a DCS?
No. SCADA systems may include an historian or augment a DCS but they're not equivalent to either. Another vid that might be helpful to you on this > ua-cam.com/video/uhZnVwkWgFw/v-deo.html&lc=UgyunuOEGk-xiyUEgbh4AaABAg
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Sir can you just provide a suggestion of a topic for doing research on MES
It would be helpful 😊
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Do you need a good knowledge of plc
In reference to what?
What whiteboard is this?
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I do like your video but I am not agree on one point... "MES always contains OEE and downtime tracking".
Some MES solutions are done to manage all the things that are in blue on your board... but not for OEE and downtime tracking...
The thing that is sure... is that MES is very different in each customer... even if you're asked to implement the same functionality...
It should though! That’s Walkers point… Search what is OEE and why are you absolutely have to calculate it…. It’s not optional.
@@4.0Solutions I am agree that it should... but I have often seen it outside the MES solution ... ( ! I don't say it's a good idea either ! )
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Can anyone teach me MES ? I’m ready to pay. Thanks
We just reopened signup for our MES Bootcamp. You can check it out here: www.iiot.university/mes-bootcamp
You can also reach out to our team at contact@40solutions.com
@@4.0Solutions too costly, will you provide placements ?
Thank you. We appreciate that feedback. We have an #industry-40-jobs channel for jobs posting in our Discord but otherwise not a formal service. We will be modularizing some of the Bootcamp training in the near future so you can pay as you go and only for what you need. We hope you keep checking in with iiot.university.
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I have always consider the MES a graphical visualization interface for ERP plus some SCADA functionalities, nothing more. All its functions of visualization can be logically done in the SCADA layer. Hence the MES is more a marketing repackaged of the SCADA with extension to ERP visualization. As for SPC, it is a statistical module for add-on to either the SCADA or the MES, not something unique to MES. Hence MES as an upper layer to SCADA is unneccessary. It should be taken more as a competing alternative to SCADA.
You might want to reconsider 🙂 at the end of the day all of your functionality is going to exist within a single plan of glass. That’s the Unified Namespace Approach.
Keep in mind, MES = Manufactuing execution system.
You don’t sell product in the MES and you don’t start a production run from the ERP.
Also Walker said, “It's fair... I would add one additional point: SCADA is process specific, MES is business specific. MES capabilities are generally homogenous -- single pane of glass; SCADA capabilities are generally heterogenous -- extended from the single pane of glass.”
@@4.0Solutions I would say there is a need for visualization of business and process data/information, whether you call it SCADA or MES. I would agree that SCADA is process inclined. Nevertheless it is, in essence, a graphical visualization tool. Hence, in the light of IIoT trends, business and process visualization should be merged, and data flow between the two should be smooth. Indeed, an IIoT is now able to calculate and generate realtime OEE values. I would like to add further that SCADA is not heterogenous, but the devices whose data it integrates are.
@@bteck2005 Would you agree that the graphical representation in SCADA is representative of the process it controls? That is, L1 and L2 screens in ISA-101 SCADA, will not look the same across processes (heterogenous)? Would you also agree that L1 and L2 screens in a digital MES will look the same across processes (homogenous)?
I agree 100 that the stack is flattening and in some cases, MES and SCADA functions are merging. It will be interesting to see just how much they converge over time. Thank you for commenting!
@@walkerreynolds973 I do agree that the SCADA screens to show L1 or L2 levels of the processes (a usual practise of showing Overview, Section view, Group view, etc, in increasing details, whether or not under the ISA-101 standard) will be different. But that is because the underlying process flows are different, not in any way due to whether it is SCADA or MES. The MES screens for these differing processes would be different too. Hence the concept of homogeneity (or not it) does not apply to SCADA or MES, as these are just graphical visualization software.
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i have never seen a good one (out of the box) not because they cant do something, they are just bad software.
Things like this happen: because I updated a specific version of a web service, the entire MES crashes. I have worked with a tailor-made system and two standard ones; both standard MES were disasters. That's why we still use our tailor-made system.
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