I'm astonished this doesn't already exist as a fan game, to be perfectly honest. EDIT: Oh yeah, I remember why it probably doesn't. Nintendo hates fan-games.
A few things. I actually thought the Nuzleaf plot twist was great. They make you really grow to like the guy, not only because he's a parental figure, but also because, when compared to your partner's father, he's a lot less strict and easy-going. He sorta plays into that mindset kids usually have, that strict parents are overly mean and less caring, while more easy-going parents care for their kids more. Sure, he does leave town a lot, but considering you meet him in a forest outside of town at the beginning of the game, I just figured he traveled a lot. There's even a scene where he visits Lively Town for a bit that seems to support this. Though, to be fair, I forgot Nuzleaf was even a dark-type, so I can see someone remembering that and seeing the twist coming. As for the Mew plot-twist, I actually think it's my favorite "goodbye" sequence in the entire series. First off, the twist that your partner was the Mew from the ancient past is great. It's hinted at early on by your partner knowing the ancient writing and with the scarfs, but it still shocked me when it was revealed. Not only that, but your partner having to leave instead of you is a great twist of the usual endings of the series. I can understand it being a bit confusing as to why your partner leaves, but from what I could gather, it's because of Dark Matter's connection to the ancient Pokemon. DM was born from the negativity of the Pokemon of the ancient past, meaning it's a part of those ancient Pokemon. Since Mew is an ancient Pokemon, destroying Dark Matter, in turn, ended up destroying Mew. Your partner evens says something like "By destroying Dark Matter, I set my own destruction in motion." As for the memory loss plot hole, I always took it as Nuzleaf and the Beeheeyem thinking that a psychic blast knocked out your memory, but it was actually Mew wiping your memory at that time. Nuzleaf does say that it was a psychic blast that wiped your memory, and Mew is a psychic type, so it would be easy for them to make the mistake. Something else to note is that your partner actually kinda lies about why Mew decides to wipe you and your partner's memories. Your partner says it was to not make the same mistakes you made in the past, but that's because you must've both known that destroying DM would destroy Mew as well, and that knowledge must've lead to you both not properly destroying DM in the past. You destroy DM in the future because you're both oblivious to that knowledge. This is hinted at as well, with you saying something like "did I agree to lose my memory because I knew what was coming? Did I know I couldn't go through with it otherwise?" It's a great reversal on Explorer's ending, where you know that stopping Primal Dialga will destroy you, but your partner's in the dark about it. Here, the opposite happens, and it's such a cool experience to have the roles reversed. If you think about it, your partner is the real main character of this story, not you. I mean, even the Partner's Theme is remixed everywhere in this game. Even the 2nd phase of the final boss has a bit of the partner's theme in it. Speaking of, I'm surprised you didn't talk about the music. The music in this game is fire. Fire Island Volcano, Showdown with a Volcanic Entei, Dark Matter Phase 2, Reverse Mountain, Mystery Jungle, and so many more. I also love how they use the music to tell a story by remixes certain tracks in different situations. My favorite example is how the theme "Treasure Within Your Heart" (a theme that plays early on in the game after you and your partner adventure in the Drilbur Mines) gets remixed for "Time to Part Ways", because you're parting away with the treasure in your heart. Speaking of the partner, Super's is my favorite one in the series. I love the character arc they go through; starting as a hyperactive troublemaker, then by the end of the game being much more mature, while still obviously being your partner through the way they act. It spoke to me a lot more than the partner's of the previous games, and they handle it so well here. Your partner may mature over the course of the game, but they never become a stick-in-the-mud either. Even after defeating Dark Matter, your partner is bragging about how awesome they are. One scene that I really love that shows how far your partner has changed is when you both first arrive back in Serene Village after being turned into stone. You're partner is scared to death about what may have happened to everyone, including her father, so she decides to hurry over to Lively Town without looking back, because the whole world's at stake, and if she goes back to check on her father, she might be too devastated to continue on. It's a great little bit of character development. Gotta say, I agree with the connection orb though. I miss the design of the bulletin board, and having unlimited missions to do, but I love how easy it is to recruit Pokemon now. If there ever is another game in the series, I'd bring back the bulletin board, but make it where completing a Pokemon's mission rewards you with them joining your team. To avoid not having unlimited missions, maybe make it where instead of Pokemon you recruited taking breaks, maybe make it where they end up going on their own adventures and need rescuing from time to time, meaning that's the only way you can use them again. You could also bring back the random recruitment from the previous games on top of this new system, so you can have duplicates of the same 'Mon. Overall, despite some flaws with the game, this is still my favorite PMD game. I love the story, gameplay, music, characters, and the cameos and references to the previous games. I understand why some wouldn't like certain aspects about it, but this game just resonated with me. PS: Sorry about the stupidly long comment.
"A few things. I actually thought the Nuzleaf plot twist was great." - I REALLY envy you on this. When you put it like this, I can see why he's so liked, and I do like him both as a villain and a father figure. I just saw it coming and that ruined it for me. I'm really glad you enjoyed it though. As I said, I even envy you. As with the Mew thing, I think you're right, and I can now appreciate the partner leaving and the dynamic between this game and Explorers. However, what are the odds that just as the Beheeyem hit you with a blast, Mew wipes your memory in that instant? I dunno if the timeline even adds up. Think about it, they hatched their plan there and then, moments before you wake up. Mew would've been long gone by that time and the partner has grown up in Serene village, so... timeline wise, it still doesn't add up. Still, again, I'm just really glad to hear you enjoyed these things so much. They're truly special games and even if this one didn't hit ME that hard, I can easily see why it would hit others. It's just a good game. And so is the music. I elected not to talk about the music or the graphics as the video was already long enough as is, but I wholeheartedly agree. The music is wonderful, and I love your interpretations about the hints the titles give away, especially when paired with their remixed counterpart. Really observant stuff. Thank you so much for this comment!
I totally agree with you... PSMD and PMD ES made me to drop some tears and suprisingly PMD GTI and PMD RT are the ones that made me actually cry in a game ever (maybe cuz RT was the first game i’ve played of the saga) but man, I loved PSMD up to make a TIE with ES!
@@Focie This is my theory for the memorie loss what if the hit from the beleum was not as powerfull as it could have been beceause mew made a barrier to protect your mind from too much damage beceause the beam came from a unexpected location . plus it was aimed at the head so yeah and also the reason they could have know this is beceause of celebi travelling in the future how things would go.
Nuzleaf- “You have to attend school” Me- “ I am thirty- five” Nuzleaf- “oo-kay, but you still have to go to school” Me-“I could be in a bloody war zone at this age, why do I need to go back to school.” Nuzleaf- “Beacause Reasons, now go!”
I'm going to attempt to defend the partner getting upset from getting called annoying. So the game outright states at one point that the partner isn't really close to any of the other kids, and there's plenty of scenes of her outright getting bullied by Shelmet and Pancham. Also throughout the game you can see she tends to bottle up her emotions, such as when she gets bullied by Pandcham and tries to act unphased, as well as much later in the game when you return to Serene Village after everyone gets turned to stone. When the player character shows up and starts hanging out with her she feels she finally has a friend, so she becomes a bit more emotionally vulnerable, so when you (her only friend) tell her she's annoying, like all the other school children tell her, she just can't take it. I could be looking too much into this, but this is just how I interpreted her outburst after you tell her she's annoying.
It's more that it's such an overdramatic reaction to a question that had a pretty gentle "let-down". I think subtlety would be the name of the game here. I have no problem with her feeling really sad about that, we all do. It's more that I don't see that particular reaction as very... uh... well written. Yeah, I'll just sum it up as "You can have her feel just as upset, but maybe a little bit subtler"
@@FirstLast-mn4re I kind of agree since there's times where the story makes the partner seem like the antagonist of the village where everyone gangs up on them and they don't feel like they have anyone to trust after you suggest they are a bit much to be around (and keep in mind this happened after they lost goomy so they began to feel like the were just ruining the adventure for everyone else)
Oh lord, calling the connection orb system facebook is super true. It indeed feels super unpersonal that way, what a way to describe that part, I do agree though, I prefer the old way of the wooden board, but it was kinda cool to see how advanced this guild was.
I can see that. It being advanced makes the leadership seem all the more capable... When he's not bumping into everything and knocking over the map orb meaning you have to fix it again!
Espurr was my favorite character, I felt that she had this side story we never got to delve into though In fact when I think about it there was a few story threads that felt like they were cut or forgotten about. Like Krokodile, some legendaries, that team the "Never Hungries" the kids of serene village, and some things Mawile may have teased at concerning the map.
That's a really good point. I fully agree with this, and it circles back to the point I made in the video itself. The personal stories take a bit of a back seat to the overall threat of the world ending.
But Krokodile's story was ended. He was basically hired for Nuzleaf as a red hering. With legendaries.. you mean the others shown in the scenes where they talk about being "threatened" by Dark Matter? because that point does come together with them working together to stop it as best as they could. Mawile's teasing is bind to the non story moments of exploring the world, since now you can explore the complete PMD world compared to past games.
@@Focie no I'm talking about the other... you know what nevermind but I really do hope they can make another game and sure you know it may not have the best story but man I just wanna have my pokemon
@@strawberrycake3474 I hear you. The stories are usually pretty good though and this is no exception. It's good. It's just not the "brand" I prefer, yeah? :D
I also wished the references to other mystery dungeons was more substantial cause simply having someone go "I'm *insert here*" or "I used to be *Insert here*" is hardly enough
I can see that. However, if it WAS more, then they'd risk the game not really standing on its own. I think it's.. fine, but I can also agree with you here.
I agree in a sense that its very weird to have these characters that have been involved with world ending phenomenons do basically nothing to help out. It also didnt really help that they promoted these characters appearing before it was released.
The beginning was even more emotional for me because of the lack of real friends when I was younger. I was about 19 when this game came out and I had just moved out of my family's home and I immediately regretted always saying "I can't wait to grow up"
@@Focie yeah. Plus I think it really adds to the story. I'm kind of a big fan of storylines in video games. Big reason why I love the Pokemon Mystery Dungeon series so much
okay, so I think I can shed some light on the memory loss thing, if I'm remembering the story as I played it. The player evidently had their memories wiped, this was given. However, the misinterpretation was what memories Mew had actually wiped from you. The memories that Mew had wiped were the specifics of what Mew and the player did to defeat Dark Matter the first time, basically the first battle attempt, however the player still had most of their memories intact and knew their basic task upon arrival in the world's future. However, the Beheeyem psychic attack when they came to that world was strong enough to wipe all the memories of the player, thus making them forget who they were for the most part (the basic stuff of PMD games). This was how I interpreted that one bit, and I can see how that may have been seen differently, and while the localization may be the likely issue, the way I saw it, Mew wiped the memories of the first Dark Matter battle (like SRing on shinies) from the human, and the Beheeyem wiped all other memories from the player, which is how I always interpreted the plot for this game. You don't have to take my word, though, it's been a while since I played the game, I might replay it just to confirm this information. As per the Nuzleaf twist, this caught me off guard for the reason that I didn't catch on to this, which is what made it so dang intense, especially when we quote, unquote, "died." And with the ending of the game, I was caught off guard so badly, especially when the pieces came together in my head for it, which made the ending so much more heartbreaking, but as you said, there was that slight hollow cavity in there that very well may have been lost in the localization process. Overall though, I enjoyed the game from end to end, and it sits in that #1 spot alongside EoS forever on P.S: Partner's theme is so touching after experiencing this, at least for me (also sorry for buncha typing)
Don't worry about writing a lot of stuff. I enjoy reading it! I think your explanation makes the most sense out of all the other ones I've seen here. I think some things might've gotten lost in translation, but more than that, I also think that it could be that I streamed this the entire time and the chat was a bit unruly at times, making some parts of the game ring a bit hollower than they needed to be. If you loved it, then please keep on loving it! It's a wonderful game regardless of my little nitpicks.
The part where you leave town in the middle of the night, i almost went to tears, thats why i really love this game. It brings some emotion. Only if there just pokemon.
i love the beginning. After all it a way to get you to care about the village before the stuff happens. also your character don't know the world they woke up in. They know nothing but i love the whole school thing cuz it makes sense. If you don't know anything at all in the world, why wouldn't you want to learn things?
Okay okay okay. New plot for game now that you inspired me: in the same way as first game, a bad human does bad thing and partner sacrifices. But as Deimos in GoW, they grow bitter and hate you, so they plunge world into darkness. Your task is recovering your memories, and everyone slowly finds out you were a bad person. There is even one character who feels uneasy around you because you somehow hurt them before. Ending is about both you and partner having to be separated forever, so your old partner, now back on the side of good, decides to find you both.
Man, I'm so happy to see this released! Oh my stars, the freakin overreacting bit got me SO GOOD, I was not prepared for that beaten-up Focie sprite ahaha. Zero stones clearly went unturned, I loved the in-depth analysis on the story especially hearing the criticisms which I definitely would've overlooked. All in all, the story definitely had some holes (at least from what I saw in this video and the streams) but I still enjoyed it quite a bit, it had some very touching moments. Maybe I'm just a bit of a sucker for that kinda thing, regardless of plot issues. But yeah.. I gotta say it was interesting to hear you weren't moved by the ending at all, even if it was executed a bit badly. Quite definitely worse than it could've been, but still heheh. Ultimately it was still parting ways with a close friend, which is sadbois all-round. Even if it didn't have nearly the emotional impact of something like Explorers of Sky... Paladin Oran sends his regards ;)
I'm glad I'm not the only one that likes the beginning of the game. I thought it really made you feel attached to the town's characters as well as your partner. Maybe it is because I'm in my 20s and crave that easier time in life who misses my family, haha. It's one of the few slow game openings that I can play through over and over without being irritated or bored, and when it's time to leave you can't help but feel sad.
I also really enjoyed the connection orb. It was always satisfying to watch the connections grow as well as see nods to old games through said connections and characters. I think my only complaint is it does put a limit on what missions there are, as I believe they aren't randomly generated like in older games. It would have been nice if pokemon you were connected with could ask for help with other missions randomly so you don't have to worry about running out of missions to do.
I've been thinking of something that could explain the memory thing. It's been a long time since I got to that part so I'm probably very wrong What if what Nuzleaf said was all a lie? That they knew what really happened to you beforehand, but told that story to demotivate the player? To give him such a shock and fill him with so many questions and so much doubt at that moment, that it would lead to him being less focused on his way to save the world and make him ultimately fail. No one can stay focused on a task when they have so much on their mind. And betrayal can lead to many difficult questions that won't go away easily. And knowing how powerful Dark Matter already was when you appeared, he certainly would've known about you, even expected you. So there would've been enough time to hatch a plan. Yet again, I'm most likely terribly wrong and I'm sorry for that. But it's always interesting to take your own guess at a problem
Personally, I think there were two memory losses. Mew wiped out our memories of the time we battled against Dark Matter. That's the first wipe. We traveled in time but on arrival, we were attacked by Nuzleaf and his lackeys. One of the attacks hit us and we suffer from short term memory loss forgetting that we were attacked in the first place. Noticing this Nuzleaf decides to change the approach and trick us into undoing the seal instead of forcing us to do it.
I think the next game should really delve into the traditional human amnesia pokemon protagonist. Like, really dig in to the mystery of your self proclaimed human identity, with conflicting evidence to both support AND disprove that you were a human before you became a pokemon, or are just delusional. You could even potentially have the main villain of the game be a human turned pokemon as well (maybe even randomize what pokemon form they take in the story as a direct parallel), and, if going with the route that you were not a human in your past life, have it revealed that you were the pokemon partner OF the human.
hey! idk if you’ll see this, but I can’t begin to describe how much these mystery dungeon videos mean to me :) this series is super special to me, and I rarely see enough people thoroughly analyzing it like this. Last year I had to use public transit for school a lot, and these videos really helped entertain me and pass the time. Thanks so much :))
Man, I just finished playing PSMD and boi I gotta say that’s a tie between Explorers and this one, I totally loved the story, the character development, the plot twists, maybe the game itself is a bit easier than the first 2 games, but still I always focused more on the story than anything else, But the thing I loved the most overall was your partner’s backstory, and I gotta say that it had the best character development of all 4 games! I simply loved it
11:45 the undefeatable Champion would like to add you to his team now. And for the following discussion on the end of part 1, I genuinely didn't want to leave Serene village in my playthough lol. I actually missed the PSMD class during my journey to Lively town.
25:59 My guess was this: I assume that you did have your memories since Nuzleaf did state you were fighting him and his comrades at the beginning before you knew about it so possibly you did have your memories for a short time before regardless if it was Nuzleaf’s doing of your memories being wiped (but my belief it was a red con because when he said he did it he was as being brain washed meaning it was likely it was your partner because if he was brainwashed then the Dark Matter is likely controlling what he said) or your partner, it makes more sense you did have your memories for that amount of time from the beginning of the fight until you figured out you were a Pokémon (which I assume it was a few minutes)
16:05 I love this guild! They gather a crew that reminds me of many old RPGs where they may not be effective in every field but efficient in what they do due to their natural abilities and individuality, a great example is the Straw Hats pirates from One Piece and it's great to have this here. You may be not as, an expert in an area as them, but they relly on your friendly and helpful nature, as well, curiosity and wonder to do the right thing, as the game goes. I believe that they should test you along the way to polish you and maybe try to direct you to that question... "what do you want to do when you grow up? What is your very dream to become?" That would be a great filler, since you were a human and reminds you that you wanted to be a Pokemon master back then, but things change and now in a total different place and environment, you may have to choose something different, it's this kinda of things that would be amazing in this scenarios, to tell kids about how the real world may work sometimes and fort the adults(or young adults) that play the game feels connected. Oh well, at least these concepts will live forever in my mind and I show people about this way of thinking without being harsh or mean about it.
I think the biggest reason for the Connection Orb being so advanced for a Mystery Dungeon game has to do with the in-game time period. If you compare the way the buildings look in Lively Town with how they looked back in Rescue Team, it seems Super is at a point in time where technology has developed a lot. Also, even though I understand how the Connection Orb can feel unpersonal, I actually really like its design. It's reminiscent of a starry sky full of constellations, which is a call-back to when Partner said they wanted to have as many friends as there are stars in the sky. I know PSMD is not a perfect game, and it has many flaws. But it's still my all-time favorite Pokemon Mystery Dungeon game.
I'm really glad you liked it so much. The architecture is different but I'd almost say that a house consisting of your face as the facade counts as pretty advanced. Not sure it's THAT far in the future, especially since all the other Pokémon are alive and well. Then again maybe the thing you destroy in gates, the Bittercold, is the ancient Dark Matter? But who knows? I certainly don't. Just enjoy the game wherever you can. ^^
I genuinely look back at Super with fond memories. It feels like it took what made the Etrian Mystery Dungeon do so well and expands on it. It is such a love letter to the franchise, and both the art style and music are awesome! Sure the story wasn't mapped too well, and the characters weren't as emotionally engrained, it still felt good. And now with the deluxe re-release of the original rescue squad games, I actually think the graphics look amazing for what they were able to do on a 3DS.
I agree, it's certainly very colourful. What's so nice about these games is that I might have a lot of issue with them there and then, but the everlasting image is always one with fond memories. It's impossible not to love them.
Well Let's see... For starters, I wanna thank you for this video, I feel like you are the first person to cover this video in a deep way on UA-cam, and I really appreciate that, since this is one of my favourite games of all time. Now, watching your video, It leaves me scratching my head a little, because it amazes me that in almost 40 minutes you still didn't mention a few things I deem to be of importance. For example, the graphics and the music, which I believe to be pretty strong points to this game, especially the latter. I think the script could've been better handled to make room for those kinds of things. Also, I feel like you should've mentioned a little bit about the epilogue and all the post-game content, since the game has a lot to offer gameplay-wise after the main story is over. Regardless of all that, I feel like some people miss the point to this game's story. I mean, sure, you save the world and all that, but it's that really the important thing happening here? Because I'm pretty sure the game was trying really hard to make the partner the focus of the hystory, and I'm pretty surprised you didn't really say a lot about her (the partner). First of all, the way you meet and get to become friends with her is, to me, the most genuine one of the entire series by a lot. I always felt like I was being handed a character to care about in the other games, while in this one, your friendship with the partner got built up from the moment you meet her. When she actually asked me if I wanted to be her friend, I didn't say "yes" because I was meant to, I said it because I had grown to know about her dreams, her endeavors, her conflicts... and so I wanted to be there to support her, since nobody else wanted to. My frienship with the character in this game just made sense and felt justified to me. More than anything, I feel like this game is about "acceptance". The way you accept the partner despite her flaws or the fact that she might get you in trouble from time to time, the way she accepts you as a human even though nobody really believes you, and the fact that the partner ends up accepting dark matter as a part of the world and the main character accepts it as well in the epilogue, not caring if it ends up coming back. At the end of the day, negative emotions are a part of our life, and we need to learn to deal with them, right? Going by this, I don't really see why someone would judge the story to be "unpersonal" or simply "epic". I mean, c'mon, the partner's theme has a variety of remixes and shows up every now and then within themes like "don't give up" or "make it!". The partner character from this game is my favourite in the series. Not only do they grow as a character, having actual flaws to improve on, but the game actually calls her out on them unlike Explorers of Sky/Time/Darkness, which simply makes you pity the partner's cowardly nature. They feel like an interesting character that's fun and endearing to invest into, and your firendship with them always feels balanced because the main character's stoic personality compliments her reckless anticst. It also helps that the main character actually has lines of dialogue this time around, similarly to Gates to Infinity, and takes action several times in the story. This game's characters don't really grow as a result of the game deciding to focus on the partner instead, and the fact that you didn't really have to earn the expedition society memeber's trust seems to me like a decision to make them feel like a more mature and level headed group, as opposed to the Guild memebers in explorers, which were more like apprentices. I understand that character's like this game's partner are "hit or miss" for a lot of people, and her character arch might not have been your cup of tea. But I still feel like you really left a lot to talk about here, considering that you actually addressed the partners from the other games a lot more. I also know the ending can be a little confusing, and the point you bring up about the memory-erasure is a good one, but I believe that it's a really good plot twist considering the series' tendency to repeat the same ending formula for every single game, with GtI mixing it up a little bit, and putting aside the memory thingy, it really makes sense on retrospective. This game's ending was actually the only one in the series to get me close to shedding tears, which is kind of ironic considering you had the opposite experience, and I feel like, just like in GtI, the reactions from both sides are realistic. When you part ways, both you and your partner feel sad about it, and your partner even pleads you not to cry, which really hit me when I played it. There's some more stuff I'd like to say, but I wanted to focus on the partner (just like the game we're covering here) and this comment is getting pretty long already... so yeah sorry about that. Despite the things I just mentioned, I still enjoyed your video quite a lot, and I hope to see more stuff from you in the future, I actually really liked the way you covered this games. Have a really nice day.
Thank you for the well thought out comment... And yeah, it's close to 40 minutes and it STILL feels a little rushed here and there. Originally, I had plans to have a friend of mine offer his opposing views on the ending and the characters, and I think that'd have been a really interesting dynamic, but it had to be cut for time. Mostly because the comments here allow me to flesh out my thoughts a bit and engage in discussion. I wish I talked about the music. I really do. I wanted to. Both music and graphics, but to really do them both justice, it'd have been around 10 minutes longer, and I already saw this as an impossibly long project. The music and graphics are both phenomenal. I love them both, which is surprising since I'm usually not too into 3D graphics. Much prefer the old sprites. However the world is just so colourful that it's hard not to fall in love with the style. Musically, there are so many tracks that really get you. Remixes, hints to the themes of the game, etc. Both earcandy and braincandy. Much appreciated pieces of music have been written, and I like the soundfont used. Ultimately these additions to the scrips were also scrapped in the interest of time. After all, the main piece of focus here is the story, but I should've maybe dropped at least a few lines about the music and graphics here and there. I do like how your partner does go from being almost insufferable in the beginning to somewhat more dialed back in the end. It's a subtle piece of character growth, I agree.. But it's not really... a satisfying one, if you get what I mean? She's never mean and then turn good. She was always good. Just a bit... free spirited, let's put it that way. Not really something to GROW on. If the game's focus is on the partner and the partner's growth, I would have liked to see more of the ramifications of the partner's life. As far as I know, you see this about... once. When you come back from hell, she opts NOT to go with her impulse and see Serene Village turned to stone. This is a wonderful moment which does show her growth, and I appreciate it. I just wish it was just one stepping stone of many hinting to the change, rather than be one of the sole examples and climax of it all. The final twist on you NOT leaving was one I really appreciated from the change of the formula, but in the end, it did feel like a twist for the sake of having a twist, if you know what I mean? Sometimes this game felt like they did this or that just for the sake of doing it. "going through the motions", I think I called it in the video. Dogs being asswipes for the sake of setting up a chatot-like redemption arc, partner leaving for the sake of changing it up a bit. It's not bad in and of itself. Actually really appreciate the effort. I don't think I saw that coming at all, but... As with the theme of acceptance which you had already laid out, the partner had already accepted that she had to leave. You had not. I think the clash here is that your partner didn't seem particularly sad due to said acceptance, but you were. I think... I think I'd have liked it more if neither party had accepted it. That would've made them play more off each other in regards to dialogue, and I can imagine that being pretty heartwrenching. Still, all of this is of course subjective. That's how it goes with these sort of things, and I can definitely see why you enjoy the game so much. I'm not in any way shape or form saying it's a bad game. I'm only being hard on it because I love the series so much. I think it can reach further than it did. I want to see it become the defacto RPG experience. In the end... I guess all I can say is... thank you so much for the support and the comment. My videos are never perfect and I know this one has a lot of flaws here and there. Still, I'm so grateful people like you take the time to come and write a comment. It means more than you can imagine. Thank you very much!
¿Por qué UA-cam no me aviso del video en su momento? Bueno, valió la pena esperar por ver otro video más de usted, me ha encantado. Ya me dio por hacer un fanart de usted.
In regards to the Nuzleaf thing: I always took it as Nuzleaf wiping your memory of your initial encounter with him. The beat you up and such, and then play it off as Nuzleaf being the Hero, and the Bahayeem are the ones after you (they dont even really try to get you). He also didn't know that your memory of the events were already wiped, he just assumed you knew it beforehand. So the Nuzleaf memory wipe is totally unrelated to the Mew one. Also I for one didn't expect him to betray you, since, he took the time to take care of you and stuff, and he already was an established member of the village i think. I hadn't thought much of him leaving, I just figured it was an adult having some errands to run.
Well, I suppose that could be.. but he said they were surprised to see that you had lost your memory after being hit with a blast. In other words; you knew beforehand, but then the blast happens and then you forget. If you had already been wiped by mew, you shouldn't have known beforehand and Nuzleaf wouldn't have ended up fighting you after all.
The one cool part of the Facebook mons is that theyre story important characters from the series. So the Alakazam you have on your team in the one from Red and Blue rescue that hunted that team down or Emolga is from gates of infinity. I think that has a slight appeal to it.
A great return Focie, really enjoyed your review as always. I do agree with a lot of your points especially in the story, lots of build up but the climax is a bit lacking. I will say I will defend the Facebook thing to very end but I understand that it doesn't have that same charm as a bulletin board, maybe if they made the UI have more to it it could have been better. Loved the art here too especially the old "Am I annoying comic" Fox made a while back. I always spoke very highly to you to many other creators that I have interacted with, and you were in fact the main reason I wanted to start my own channel as well. I cannot thank you enough for that and I might even come back to the server after that little incident. Regardless, to end this comment off to something kinda relevant to the video, you didn't talk about the soundtrack at all so I want to hear your thoughts on it. Personally I find it to have more memorable tunes that the others with the others usually having no more than 5-6 tracks I like, but this game has a bag of em.
I would've loved to talk about soundtrack and graphics, but time, man.. TIME! This was already 39 minutes long! For the record, I loved both. Graphics are charming as all heck because of the art style being so vibrant. Music is full of earcandy. So many good tracks, I struggled to choose between them for the background music
@@Focie Thats great! PSMD probably has my favorite ost and graphics out of the PMD games with PMD EOS being really close. Also, you could have added 30 minutes to make it 69 Focie :)
I agree with your view on the games going forward, It would have been amazing in the rescue team games if on mt freeze you were found to be the human. You would run away, and you would have everyone, even your partner against you, and the In the final scene you’re cornered by all the teams hunting you, and you sacrifice yourself.all the teams are staring in awe, at what just happened. Then, the credits roll. That would have made it so much better because your partner is just so trusting but then they learn they shouldn’t have been.
A few things Regarding the Ampharos gimmick, I played the italian version which I recall stated that Ampharos cannot see well Another thing is I like to think Ampharos is a combination between Quagsire from Gates To Infinity and Wigglytuff, he's competent but not completely I agree with this review fully
It would be interesting if the antagonists of the next game (if there is a next game :( ) are a group of Pokémon that discovers Pokeballs and starts catching and enslaving other Pokemon, or maybe a trainer from the mainline games that has somehow been sent to the Pokémon World and starts catching the "wild" Pokémon, creating their own personal army.
Ngl, the partner Pokemon I relate to a lot, as she seems to have a lot of quirks that reminds me of mold autism and ADHD. They're hyperactive,often forgetful, extremely honest and blunt almost to their determent, and that overreaction actually made me think she was focusing too much one ONE thing the mc said. SPOILER! Which makes sense why the partner is secretly mew
I know I am a late, but hopefully some people see this comment. In my opinion, for the whole memory thing I always had assumed that mew had wiped your memory in the past after the first dark matter event, and then your character wandered the world and you made new memories. And finally in the present/future you had your memory wiped a second time by nuzleaf and the beheeyem. So you would have been screwed over two times for losing your memory. And this would fit in with the story of apparently losing your memories from 2 different times. Alternatively mew could have just erased memories of itself from you along with the implications of destroying dark matter. So you would still retain most of your memories, with some missing. And then you fully lost the rest of your memories when nuzleaf and the beheeyem went to wipe your memories. With either way of things happening you were screwed over with forgetting things. Humans as pokemon need something to shield themselves to prevent this from happening.
I was looking for someone who goes deep into the Pokémon Mystery Dungeon series and what luck, one of the few people doing that is a Norwegian like myself! I love this series and am really enjoying your videos! Bra jobba! :)
That's AWESOME. I also really, really like it. Usually, all these games have issues which detract a bit. In Rescue team, it was a little too simple in scope for the gameplay and story. Still REALLY good, just a little bit simple. Sky's story was good, but told in a really horrendous way. Your character has a tendency to repeat what you just said, and the flashbacks are... plentiful to say the least. Gate's story was bad, but its characters were great. At least some of them. And super has its own issues discussed here... but flaws and all, they all have wonderfully redeeming qualities and I find myself loving all the games all the same
Explorers also kinda did the reverse of that ghost/dark prejudice thing. I don't know how anyone's supposed to not think that Dusknoir isn't gonna be some kind of bad guy, especially if you played last MD games and have ever read ghost type pokedex entries. Basically every ghost type is some spawn of devil that exist only to eat small children and drag their souls to hell. But when it went out of its way to not only help us but to also solve the conflict peacefully, I started to have doubts. And then it turned out that sike, he was bad guy all along, Sableyes are also murderous little shits, Spiritomb tries to molest Grovyle and later we find Frostlass keeping Scizor captive and then there's also the final antagonist. Boy did they lean hard on that ghost/dark=evil. It was kinda disappointing since I was positively surprised when a kids game made me think of my own prejudices and why I have them. The last thing that should follow such revelation is that you should have just stuck with those beliefs. I think that's the reason why they made point to follow through with that twist in following game
The beginning of this game feels like the nostalgia critic's review of Xmen movie, where rogue is enrolled into Xavier's school for the gifted without her parents permission.
I am sorry you saw it coming!! Luckily I totally forgot about his disappearing, so the Nuzleaf twist hit me like a TRUCK. I had stop and think "I'm playing a pokemon game!?"
Man, I am both jealous and super happy for you! I think regardless of me seeing it coming, the game is wonderful and I'm happy that people love it. It deserves it.
30:10 I think it's a case of Nuzleaf thinking it was the psychic blast while it actually just being something that already happened. So essentially his plan happens regardless, he just thinks it was possible because of something his crew did, not something that was already done in a forgotten era.
Oh wow, you managed to entertain me for 40 minutes while talking about mystery dungeon of all things. Good job dude (also very nice fan art at the very end)
Omgomgomgomgomgomgomgomomgomgomgomgongongomgomgomg I'm damn happy I got to play super before you resealed this (even if it got released a couple of months later than I originally thought it would)
@@Focie Work and other duties delays those schedules, but we are aware anyway. Thanks that you presented the final episode of: Focie beats gods despite of amnesia.
I really liked this game. I also noticed it was a lot more challenging than any of the old ones, but that could be because my main was Treeko...which is very disadvantaged through the early game LOOKING AT YOU FIRE MOUNTAIN
I like that what you look for in a new pmd is your character being the true bad guy and overcoming that because that’s kinda what explorers of sky’s post game is. Whenever you finish you should really watch the Theorizer’s video on the plot of explorers of sky. It really fits everything perfectly/makes everything make more sense at the end. It’s the reason this game is my favorite out of all of them
this was the first mystery dungeon game I played and let me tell you that all along the protagonist was hinting that he would've to go, and when the partner left that actually surprised me, even gave me a reason to go trough the epilog the fastest i could to get him back. Afther that I looked up the other mystery dungeons and to my surprise it was actually you who had to left. to summarize I cannot agree with you about the ending.
its awesome to hear that you will finish the sky review. The credits may role but game doesnt end at that point, which is why i love these games so much because it gave me what I felt like a sequel to what I just played in the same game.
I really thought that nothing would change! I am no longer affiliated with the guild in any way, but Chatot still takes 90%? Alright, nothing changes, so I'm not missing anything... That's what I thought anyway
Super Mystery Dungeon is my least favorite game in the series. The improvements are great. like the quiz, and being able to choose what Pokémon you become. I really don’t like the story, and characters though.
Great video... And you'll see how good Explorers of Sky is after you do the post game. It's as long and more complex that the original storyline and it leaves you with one major question.
@@Focie it's still the same storyline. It becomes a bit more complex but it all finds its way around and finishes fully. It's not like one of those games where you say "oh God this was completely extra". You'll be pleasantly surprised!
i think i rly like the partner. especially her theme . its such a feel good theme until you get to the ending the entire song turns into a sad song (i dont rly know how to explain it) it just changes the entire "meaning" of the song for me and i love that so much.
The end of the game hit me with something I wasnt ready for, Ixhated saying goodbye to Kipperz, that little mudkip was my world The postgame I got him back but DANG the ending was so emotional, a twist I wasnt ready for The pokemon I chose was a charmander named Alex
17:40 Ooh. The Connection Orb reminds me of how .hack party members were. You don't get nearly as many potential people as this game gives you, but since the concept in .hack is that you're a bunch of gamers playing an online game, sometimes the other people in your friends list are off doing IRL things (or other story things without your knowledge) so you have to message other party members to tag along instead. Definitely a fun idea flavor wise.
This is my favorite 3ds game... and my fave pkmn game in general... Love this series a lot, even tho I only played red, sky, and super. I like to always go with Squirtle and Chikorita. Super is the one that left such a big impact. I enjoy both the story and the gameplay a lot. I even when ahead and recruited everyone.... including Arceus. Now I just gotta get last 3 treasures, and I guess is done...
Great video, Focie. I'm always impressed by you because each and every video you make seems to have more and more effort put into it. I never played the any of the Mystery Dungeons games but I feel like I've completed them all thanks to you. I also really like the idea you put forth for a new Mystery Dungeon game. I'd love to see you analyze Persona 5 and the Tales of games (specifically Vesperia and Symphonia 1+2), just as you did with the Mystery Dungeon series. Of course those are like, really long and time consuming RPGs but I'd love to see your opinions on them.
I loved Symphonia 1. Cam Clarke is really good as Auron. I struggled a bit with the combat system to begin with, but I started liking it. As for Persona 5...? I JUST GOT THAT GAME, BABY! We'll see what I'll do with that beauty
I chose my starters based on typing a such, Charmander as YTSunny, and Fang as Chikorita. Team Friendship returns with a new role: Connecting with other Pokémon with the Connection Orb. Same team going for here, but I'm going to evolve them. While taking on the most hardest dungeons ever. I think the Abyssal Badlands japanese translated name is Hell Badlands.
You've read my mind, I have been thinking about how the next mystery dungeon could have the player being the bad guy as a human and dont remember anything, and when it is revealed it would be a huge plot twist. As I got to the nuzleaf plot twist in PSMD I thought krookodile was talking to me when he was talking about paying him... I would have prefered that kind of plot twist.
@@Focie Wow, thats deep... I would also lime a pmd game where you wake up with your partner pokemon (turned into a pokemon, obviously) and the only thing you remember is your partner and someone using some kind of weird magic on you. You and your partner would have to investigate who was the one who turned you into a pokemon
Yeah.. That's true. I guess they did it because they figured an elementary school would be the best place to learn basic stuff about the world, but... I think players could've pieced that together just by talking to people
I completely agree with your thoughts on the game. I do wish you touched a bit more on the music side though. Like one of the reason I really like this game is because of the music. The first half of the songs are really cute and relaxing, but another part is in generally just sad. One of my favorites, Depths of the Submerged Cave sometimes strikes me hard as hell. That song alone gives me feelings of regret and nostalgia, almost as if I'm watching the happier times of my life. Allow in me to only watch and regret what I've lost. Then there's the music that's just so so so good to listen to like fire island volcano and dark matter's second theme.
It really sucks to say, but I had to cut out my thoughts on both music and graphics due to the length already. Luckily, I can fill you in here. I love the music. It's earcandy in all the right ways, with remixed old themes, remixed themes you heard before, etc. The partner's Theme Leitmotif just works so well with this game and I adore it. I also really like what they did with the graphics. I'm usually not a fan of low poly 3D models and tend to prefer sprites to 3D models in general, but the game is just so gosh darn colourful. How could I not love it?
The next PMD should star the very first human that never really loses their memory. This game was the first to humor the idea that you, the pleyer pokemon, were possibly not a kid at all. You just LOOKED like a kid to the others. So I would love it if the next PMD would star a player character that had no amnesia. Or at least they didn't feel like they did because they knew their previous life's history and what their world/time was like in extensive detail. I like the plot twist that you actually had two instances where there were events you should remember. So, maybe this isn't your first time around like with Mudkip you here. Maybe, like in infinity, you were helping, albeit unknowingly and maybe not in your present form, someone you are opposing now. Alternatively, maybe a story where you AREN'T the human who got called to the world to be a pokemon and the human who DID get called turns into your partner a little later on. Maybe after you find them in a dungeon, left in a bad way. And perhaps, they aren't the best person in the world. Maybe they are even have a bad attitude and/or aren't innocent in mind. Think "they aren't a terrible person, but they've seen some things. Would also be nice if one of you was a starter pokemon and the other was a non-standard first evo or second evo to demonstrate the difference in experiences, but maybe that's a bit broken gameplay-wise. Point is, something non-traditional. I agree with your points and like your own thoughts on how they could write the narrative as well ^^ I think I woulda liked Red Rescue more if they HAD made you a bad guy who needed to work at redemption. Instead, that game came off as a bit... plain to me.
I loved this game. However, it might be because my partner is almost EXACTLY like the partner pokemon in this game, and I had named the character after her by coincidence. I grew VERY attached to the partner pokemon. I also didn't see the nuzleaf twist coming, so there's that.
So glad you're back making videos, dude! Havent watched this video yet, but I'm excited to. Despite being a huge fan of this series I couldn't finish this game through due to it's extremely slow early game pacing paired with its somehow even younger target audience. I'll comment more once I'm caught up on the vid haha.
I never finished it through but damn, that's a bit disappointing on the story. The characters, and your partner especially, were the real driving factor for me in previous games. As the games went on they made the story more and more grandiose, and obviously couldn't fill in all the plot holes that came with that size.
Another fun fact if you hadn’t noticed already or if it hasn’t already been pointed out to you, the continents are the regions from the previous Mystery Dungeon games!
My interpretation of the memory plot hole was always that you didn’t get your memory wiped until you were in the middle of the battle with Nuzleaf. Like, you were transported to the future, started fighting Nuzleaf, and then Mew wiped you memory. That still leaves the plot hole of how Mew wiped your memory from the body and mind of your partner, but I’m willing to believe that maybe Xerneas didn’t put Mew “to sleep” until after that happened. Idk. That scene still made me cry.
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“Super Mystery Dungeon will be the last PMD game.”
I wonder how well that aged.
Mewtwo835 hindsight is 20/20
Technically, it still is. I don't count remakes as new games, even If they introduce New mechanics (like megas).
I dare you to r/whoooooosh me
Well, DX is just a remake
Weeeell... DX is just a remake, but let's put it this way... I'm going to be VERY happy if I get proven wrong here.
@@dayvonlouis5187 And coincidentally, this year, we all have 2020 vision! HEYOO
The next PMD, realizing it's true strenghts, is gonna focus entirely on it's characters; It's gonna be the pokemon version of a dating sim.
That'd be... something :P
I'm astonished this doesn't already exist as a fan game, to be perfectly honest.
EDIT: Oh yeah, I remember why it probably doesn't. Nintendo hates fan-games.
Finally, I get to date Bidoof!
@@atomiccrusader6839 xD, That's hilarious
Hahaha ok 😂
A few things. I actually thought the Nuzleaf plot twist was great. They make you really grow to like the guy, not only because he's a parental figure, but also because, when compared to your partner's father, he's a lot less strict and easy-going. He sorta plays into that mindset kids usually have, that strict parents are overly mean and less caring, while more easy-going parents care for their kids more. Sure, he does leave town a lot, but considering you meet him in a forest outside of town at the beginning of the game, I just figured he traveled a lot. There's even a scene where he visits Lively Town for a bit that seems to support this. Though, to be fair, I forgot Nuzleaf was even a dark-type, so I can see someone remembering that and seeing the twist coming. As for the Mew plot-twist, I actually think it's my favorite "goodbye" sequence in the entire series. First off, the twist that your partner was the Mew from the ancient past is great. It's hinted at early on by your partner knowing the ancient writing and with the scarfs, but it still shocked me when it was revealed. Not only that, but your partner having to leave instead of you is a great twist of the usual endings of the series. I can understand it being a bit confusing as to why your partner leaves, but from what I could gather, it's because of Dark Matter's connection to the ancient Pokemon. DM was born from the negativity of the Pokemon of the ancient past, meaning it's a part of those ancient Pokemon. Since Mew is an ancient Pokemon, destroying Dark Matter, in turn, ended up destroying Mew. Your partner evens says something like "By destroying Dark Matter, I set my own destruction in motion." As for the memory loss plot hole, I always took it as Nuzleaf and the Beeheeyem thinking that a psychic blast knocked out your memory, but it was actually Mew wiping your memory at that time. Nuzleaf does say that it was a psychic blast that wiped your memory, and Mew is a psychic type, so it would be easy for them to make the mistake. Something else to note is that your partner actually kinda lies about why Mew decides to wipe you and your partner's memories. Your partner says it was to not make the same mistakes you made in the past, but that's because you must've both known that destroying DM would destroy Mew as well, and that knowledge must've lead to you both not properly destroying DM in the past. You destroy DM in the future because you're both oblivious to that knowledge. This is hinted at as well, with you saying something like "did I agree to lose my memory because I knew what was coming? Did I know I couldn't go through with it otherwise?" It's a great reversal on Explorer's ending, where you know that stopping Primal Dialga will destroy you, but your partner's in the dark about it. Here, the opposite happens, and it's such a cool experience to have the roles reversed. If you think about it, your partner is the real main character of this story, not you. I mean, even the Partner's Theme is remixed everywhere in this game. Even the 2nd phase of the final boss has a bit of the partner's theme in it. Speaking of, I'm surprised you didn't talk about the music. The music in this game is fire. Fire Island Volcano, Showdown with a Volcanic Entei, Dark Matter Phase 2, Reverse Mountain, Mystery Jungle, and so many more. I also love how they use the music to tell a story by remixes certain tracks in different situations. My favorite example is how the theme "Treasure Within Your Heart" (a theme that plays early on in the game after you and your partner adventure in the Drilbur Mines) gets remixed for "Time to Part Ways", because you're parting away with the treasure in your heart. Speaking of the partner, Super's is my favorite one in the series. I love the character arc they go through; starting as a hyperactive troublemaker, then by the end of the game being much more mature, while still obviously being your partner through the way they act. It spoke to me a lot more than the partner's of the previous games, and they handle it so well here. Your partner may mature over the course of the game, but they never become a stick-in-the-mud either. Even after defeating Dark Matter, your partner is bragging about how awesome they are. One scene that I really love that shows how far your partner has changed is when you both first arrive back in Serene Village after being turned into stone. You're partner is scared to death about what may have happened to everyone, including her father, so she decides to hurry over to Lively Town without looking back, because the whole world's at stake, and if she goes back to check on her father, she might be too devastated to continue on. It's a great little bit of character development. Gotta say, I agree with the connection orb though. I miss the design of the bulletin board, and having unlimited missions to do, but I love how easy it is to recruit Pokemon now. If there ever is another game in the series, I'd bring back the bulletin board, but make it where completing a Pokemon's mission rewards you with them joining your team. To avoid not having unlimited missions, maybe make it where instead of Pokemon you recruited taking breaks, maybe make it where they end up going on their own adventures and need rescuing from time to time, meaning that's the only way you can use them again. You could also bring back the random recruitment from the previous games on top of this new system, so you can have duplicates of the same 'Mon. Overall, despite some flaws with the game, this is still my favorite PMD game. I love the story, gameplay, music, characters, and the cameos and references to the previous games. I understand why some wouldn't like certain aspects about it, but this game just resonated with me.
PS: Sorry about the stupidly long comment.
"A few things. I actually thought the Nuzleaf plot twist was great."
- I REALLY envy you on this. When you put it like this, I can see why he's so liked, and I do like him both as a villain and a father figure. I just saw it coming and that ruined it for me. I'm really glad you enjoyed it though. As I said, I even envy you.
As with the Mew thing, I think you're right, and I can now appreciate the partner leaving and the dynamic between this game and Explorers. However, what are the odds that just as the Beheeyem hit you with a blast, Mew wipes your memory in that instant? I dunno if the timeline even adds up. Think about it, they hatched their plan there and then, moments before you wake up. Mew would've been long gone by that time and the partner has grown up in Serene village, so... timeline wise, it still doesn't add up.
Still, again, I'm just really glad to hear you enjoyed these things so much. They're truly special games and even if this one didn't hit ME that hard, I can easily see why it would hit others. It's just a good game.
And so is the music. I elected not to talk about the music or the graphics as the video was already long enough as is, but I wholeheartedly agree. The music is wonderful, and I love your interpretations about the hints the titles give away, especially when paired with their remixed counterpart. Really observant stuff. Thank you so much for this comment!
I totally agree with you... PSMD and PMD ES made me to drop some tears and suprisingly PMD GTI and PMD RT are the ones that made me actually cry in a game ever (maybe cuz RT was the first game i’ve played of the saga) but man, I loved PSMD up to make a TIE with ES!
@@Focie This is my theory for the memorie loss what if the hit from the beleum was not as powerfull as it could have been beceause mew made a barrier to protect your mind from too much damage beceause the beam came from a unexpected location . plus it was aimed at the head so yeah and also the reason they could have know this is beceause of celebi travelling in the future how things would go.
I agree with every single thing you said
I thinks mine might be even longer lol
Nuzleaf- “You have to attend school”
Me- “ I am thirty- five”
Nuzleaf- “oo-kay, but you still have to go to school”
Me-“I could be in a bloody war zone at this age, why do I need to go back to school.”
Nuzleaf- “Beacause Reasons, now go!”
Theres even a line that says, "Do I look like a kid!?" As if to say, that us, the human, might be a bit older than usual. Maybe a young adult.
I'm going to attempt to defend the partner getting upset from getting called annoying. So the game outright states at one point that the partner isn't really close to any of the other kids, and there's plenty of scenes of her outright getting bullied by Shelmet and Pancham. Also throughout the game you can see she tends to bottle up her emotions, such as when she gets bullied by Pandcham and tries to act unphased, as well as much later in the game when you return to Serene Village after everyone gets turned to stone. When the player character shows up and starts hanging out with her she feels she finally has a friend, so she becomes a bit more emotionally vulnerable, so when you (her only friend) tell her she's annoying, like all the other school children tell her, she just can't take it.
I could be looking too much into this, but this is just how I interpreted her outburst after you tell her she's annoying.
It's more that it's such an overdramatic reaction to a question that had a pretty gentle "let-down".
I think subtlety would be the name of the game here. I have no problem with her feeling really sad about that, we all do. It's more that I don't see that particular reaction as very... uh... well written.
Yeah, I'll just sum it up as "You can have her feel just as upset, but maybe a little bit subtler"
@@Focie yeah, perhaps I am giving the writing a bit too much credit. I just interpreted it as a "straw that broke the camel's back" kind of reaction.
@@FirstLast-mn4re I kind of agree since there's times where the story makes the partner seem like the antagonist of the village where everyone gangs up on them and they don't feel like they have anyone to trust after you suggest they are a bit much to be around (and keep in mind this happened after they lost goomy so they began to feel like the were just ruining the adventure for everyone else)
"It's been 3,000 years..."
Only 3000? Shit, time flies when you're having fun
I thought it was 4,000
Yeah we need more pokemon mystery dungeon
NOW HE SEEKS TO RETURN TO THE PAST.
AND UNDO THE FUTURE THAT IS DARK MATTER...
"It finds Rayquaza in the Stratosphere..."
Dialouge: Why does it come *past* the Stratosphere
Glad I’m not the only one who noticed-
In, past.. The point was that the confusion stems from the Ozone layer comment not making sense, not the stratosphere thing.
Oh lord, calling the connection orb system facebook is super true.
It indeed feels super unpersonal that way, what a way to describe that part, I do agree though, I prefer the old way of the wooden board, but it was kinda cool to see how advanced this guild was.
I can see that. It being advanced makes the leadership seem all the more capable... When he's not bumping into everything and knocking over the map orb meaning you have to fix it again!
That is litreal facebook
Espurr was my favorite character, I felt that she had this side story we never got to delve into though
In fact when I think about it there was a few story threads that felt like they were cut or forgotten about. Like Krokodile, some legendaries, that team the "Never Hungries" the kids of serene village, and some things Mawile may have teased at concerning the map.
That's a really good point. I fully agree with this, and it circles back to the point I made in the video itself. The personal stories take a bit of a back seat to the overall threat of the world ending.
But Krokodile's story was ended. He was basically hired for Nuzleaf as a red hering. With legendaries.. you mean the others shown in the scenes where they talk about being "threatened" by Dark Matter? because that point does come together with them working together to stop it as best as they could. Mawile's teasing is bind to the non story moments of exploring the world, since now you can explore the complete PMD world compared to past games.
This is the second Best game in the saga after Explorers of sky.
I hope they make a New game of this amacing saga.
So do I. More games makes me happy
Grammar police hire me because the case I found was *Amazing*
@@strawberrycake3474 Yeah, sorry. I mean "More games in the series would make me happy"
@@Focie no I'm talking about the other... you know what nevermind but I really do hope they can make another game and sure you know it may not have the best story but man I just wanna have my pokemon
@@strawberrycake3474 I hear you. The stories are usually pretty good though and this is no exception. It's good. It's just not the "brand" I prefer, yeah? :D
I also wished the references to other mystery dungeons was more substantial cause simply having someone go "I'm *insert here*" or "I used to be *Insert here*" is hardly enough
I can see that. However, if it WAS more, then they'd risk the game not really standing on its own. I think it's.. fine, but I can also agree with you here.
I agree in a sense that its very weird to have these characters that have been involved with world ending phenomenons do basically nothing to help out. It also didnt really help that they promoted these characters appearing before it was released.
Espurr’s the real main character of Super, prove me wrong
She was easily my favorite character
I always wondered what happened to her parents. But then I start thinking...
Did she murder her own parents or something???
I still really like Espurr, she’s my favorite classmate
Considering espurr literally saves you and therefore, the world, she is definitely a main character
Espurr beat character
The beginning was even more emotional for me because of the lack of real friends when I was younger. I was about 19 when this game came out and I had just moved out of my family's home and I immediately regretted always saying "I can't wait to grow up"
That really sucks to hear. I'm sorry.
Still, being able to "go back to childhood" in this game is honestly kind of chill. I like it.
@@Focie yeah. Plus I think it really adds to the story. I'm kind of a big fan of storylines in video games. Big reason why I love the Pokemon Mystery Dungeon series so much
@@AlexTheChaosFox1996 I can definitely see that. Story has more impact here than in the main series for sure.
@@Focie agreed. Also... foxes are SUPERIOR to all
Just wanted to say that XD
@@AlexTheChaosFox1996 Ever since I managed to feed one in the wild when I was 8, it's always been my favorite animal.
okay, so I think I can shed some light on the memory loss thing, if I'm remembering the story as I played it.
The player evidently had their memories wiped, this was given. However, the misinterpretation was what memories Mew had actually wiped from you. The memories that Mew had wiped were the specifics of what Mew and the player did to defeat Dark Matter the first time, basically the first battle attempt, however the player still had most of their memories intact and knew their basic task upon arrival in the world's future. However, the Beheeyem psychic attack when they came to that world was strong enough to wipe all the memories of the player, thus making them forget who they were for the most part (the basic stuff of PMD games). This was how I interpreted that one bit, and I can see how that may have been seen differently, and while the localization may be the likely issue,
the way I saw it, Mew wiped the memories of the first Dark Matter battle (like SRing on shinies) from the human, and the Beheeyem wiped all other memories from the player, which is how I always interpreted the plot for this game.
You don't have to take my word, though, it's been a while since I played the game, I might replay it just to confirm this information.
As per the Nuzleaf twist, this caught me off guard for the reason that I didn't catch on to this, which is what made it so dang intense, especially when we quote, unquote, "died."
And with the ending of the game, I was caught off guard so badly, especially when the pieces came together in my head for it, which made the ending so much more heartbreaking, but as you said, there was that slight hollow cavity in there that very well may have been lost in the localization process. Overall though, I enjoyed the game from end to end, and it sits in that #1 spot alongside EoS forever on
P.S: Partner's theme is so touching after experiencing this, at least for me (also sorry for buncha typing)
Don't worry about writing a lot of stuff. I enjoy reading it! I think your explanation makes the most sense out of all the other ones I've seen here.
I think some things might've gotten lost in translation, but more than that, I also think that it could be that I streamed this the entire time and the chat was a bit unruly at times, making some parts of the game ring a bit hollower than they needed to be. If you loved it, then please keep on loving it! It's a wonderful game regardless of my little nitpicks.
The part where you leave town in the middle of the night, i almost went to tears, thats why i really love this game. It brings some emotion. Only if there just pokemon.
The pokemon are humanized enough that their emotions carry through. I think it's wonderful as well!
i love the beginning. After all it a way to get you to care about the village before the stuff happens. also your character don't know the world they woke up in. They know nothing but i love the whole school thing cuz it makes sense. If you don't know anything at all in the world, why wouldn't you want to learn things?
Well put!
Okay okay okay. New plot for game now that you inspired me: in the same way as first game, a bad human does bad thing and partner sacrifices. But as Deimos in GoW, they grow bitter and hate you, so they plunge world into darkness. Your task is recovering your memories, and everyone slowly finds out you were a bad person. There is even one character who feels uneasy around you because you somehow hurt them before.
Ending is about both you and partner having to be separated forever, so your old partner, now back on the side of good, decides to find you both.
I like that a lot
Man, I'm so happy to see this released!
Oh my stars, the freakin overreacting bit got me SO GOOD, I was not prepared for that beaten-up Focie sprite ahaha.
Zero stones clearly went unturned, I loved the in-depth analysis on the story especially hearing the criticisms which I definitely would've overlooked.
All in all, the story definitely had some holes (at least from what I saw in this video and the streams) but I still enjoyed it quite a bit, it had some very touching moments. Maybe I'm just a bit of a sucker for that kinda thing, regardless of plot issues.
But yeah.. I gotta say it was interesting to hear you weren't moved by the ending at all, even if it was executed a bit badly. Quite definitely worse than it could've been, but still heheh. Ultimately it was still parting ways with a close friend, which is sadbois all-round. Even if it didn't have nearly the emotional impact of something like Explorers of Sky...
Paladin Oran sends his regards ;)
In all seriousness, I'm super proud of you for getting this finished. I know you busted your ass, but the result was worth it
MOZAMBIQUE! Paladin Oran's regards have been received.
Thanks, Tay. I really appreciate it
@@Luperious Thanks man
Super's ending mad me cry the hardest out of all the PMD games! It is my favorite PMD game so far.
I'm really happy you enjoyed it so much. It's a wonderful feeling, isn't it? To be moved the way you were...
I'm glad I'm not the only one that likes the beginning of the game. I thought it really made you feel attached to the town's characters as well as your partner. Maybe it is because I'm in my 20s and crave that easier time in life who misses my family, haha.
It's one of the few slow game openings that I can play through over and over without being irritated or bored, and when it's time to leave you can't help but feel sad.
I also really enjoyed the connection orb. It was always satisfying to watch the connections grow as well as see nods to old games through said connections and characters. I think my only complaint is it does put a limit on what missions there are, as I believe they aren't randomly generated like in older games. It would have been nice if pokemon you were connected with could ask for help with other missions randomly so you don't have to worry about running out of missions to do.
I completely agree. I think it's part of growing up for sure.
they're going to a new PMD on the Nintendo switch
YESSS! I heard!
27:03 Nuzleaf: you see I was using an advanced technique there called LYING
I've been thinking of something that could explain the memory thing. It's been a long time since I got to that part so I'm probably very wrong
What if what Nuzleaf said was all a lie? That they knew what really happened to you beforehand, but told that story to demotivate the player? To give him such a shock and fill him with so many questions and so much doubt at that moment, that it would lead to him being less focused on his way to save the world and make him ultimately fail. No one can stay focused on a task when they have so much on their mind. And betrayal can lead to many difficult questions that won't go away easily.
And knowing how powerful Dark Matter already was when you appeared, he certainly would've known about you, even expected you. So there would've been enough time to hatch a plan.
Yet again, I'm most likely terribly wrong and I'm sorry for that. But it's always interesting to take your own guess at a problem
not as far from the question as you think.
hi btw
Personally, I think there were two memory losses. Mew wiped out our memories of the time we battled against Dark Matter. That's the first wipe. We traveled in time but on arrival, we were attacked by Nuzleaf and his lackeys. One of the attacks hit us and we suffer from short term memory loss forgetting that we were attacked in the first place. Noticing this Nuzleaf decides to change the approach and trick us into undoing the seal instead of forcing us to do it.
@@Jaquan018 so it's literally just the beginning of PMD explorers.
I think the next game should really delve into the traditional human amnesia pokemon protagonist. Like, really dig in to the mystery of your self proclaimed human identity, with conflicting evidence to both support AND disprove that you were a human before you became a pokemon, or are just delusional. You could even potentially have the main villain of the game be a human turned pokemon as well (maybe even randomize what pokemon form they take in the story as a direct parallel), and, if going with the route that you were not a human in your past life, have it revealed that you were the pokemon partner OF the human.
I like it this thing luxray.
hey! idk if you’ll see this, but I can’t begin to describe how much these mystery dungeon videos mean to me :) this series is super special to me, and I rarely see enough people thoroughly analyzing it like this. Last year I had to use public transit for school a lot, and these videos really helped entertain me and pass the time. Thanks so much :))
Man, I just finished playing PSMD and boi I gotta say that’s a tie between Explorers and this one, I totally loved the story, the character development, the plot twists, maybe the game itself is a bit easier than the first 2 games, but still I always focused more on the story than anything else, But the thing I loved the most overall was your partner’s backstory, and I gotta say that it had the best character development of all 4 games!
I simply loved it
11:45 the undefeatable Champion would like to add you to his team now.
And for the following discussion on the end of part 1, I genuinely didn't want to leave Serene village in my playthough lol. I actually missed the PSMD class during my journey to Lively town.
13:09 "Thanks to my memory being fuzzier than a Rockruff's butthole."
Hey! Hey! That's just uncalled for!
Ampharos needs some glasses
Or a new pair of eyes all together.
@@Focie or about nintendo not to do pokemon let's go fuck everything you "worked"
@@Focie Or You have jirachi you can wish for some new pair of eyes
17:27 Welp, that theory is now confirmed.
I love how Paras will ask you if you want a mushroom off its back in this trying time.
25:59
My guess was this:
I assume that you did have your memories since Nuzleaf did state you were fighting him and his comrades at the beginning before you knew about it so possibly you did have your memories for a short time before regardless if it was Nuzleaf’s doing of your memories being wiped (but my belief it was a red con because when he said he did it he was as being brain washed meaning it was likely it was your partner because if he was brainwashed then the Dark Matter is likely controlling what he said) or your partner, it makes more sense you did have your memories for that amount of time from the beginning of the fight until you figured out you were a Pokémon (which I assume it was a few minutes)
16:05 I love this guild!
They gather a crew that reminds me of many old RPGs where they may not be effective in every field but efficient in what they do due to their natural abilities and individuality, a great example is the Straw Hats pirates from One Piece and it's great to have this here.
You may be not as, an expert in an area as them, but they relly on your friendly and helpful nature, as well, curiosity and wonder to do the right thing, as the game goes.
I believe that they should test you along the way to polish you and maybe try to direct you to that question... "what do you want to do when you grow up? What is your very dream to become?"
That would be a great filler, since you were a human and reminds you that you wanted to be a Pokemon master back then, but things change and now in a total different place and environment, you may have to choose something different, it's this kinda of things that would be amazing in this scenarios, to tell kids about how the real world may work sometimes and fort the adults(or young adults) that play the game feels connected. Oh well, at least these concepts will live forever in my mind and I show people about this way of thinking without being harsh or mean about it.
I would have loved for that to be in the game. What a neat idea!
My favourite spoiler for Nuzleaf is one of his moves in the very first dungeon is Frustration.
Ooooh! What a cool foreshadowing detail! Nice!
I love the artwork that was both done on the thumbnail and done on 7:46. The way Fennekin cries is cute. I enjoy it, artists. 😊
heheh, that would be my wife's amazing talent. She's the real MVP here
@@Focie That's awesome. 😊
You know whenever I’m bored by UA-cam I can always come to your vids to entertain me!(no joke I’ve been binge watching your mystery dungeon series)
I think the biggest reason for the Connection Orb being so advanced for a Mystery Dungeon game has to do with the in-game time period. If you compare the way the buildings look in Lively Town with how they looked back in Rescue Team, it seems Super is at a point in time where technology has developed a lot. Also, even though I understand how the Connection Orb can feel unpersonal, I actually really like its design. It's reminiscent of a starry sky full of constellations, which is a call-back to when Partner said they wanted to have as many friends as there are stars in the sky.
I know PSMD is not a perfect game, and it has many flaws. But it's still my all-time favorite Pokemon Mystery Dungeon game.
I'm really glad you liked it so much. The architecture is different but I'd almost say that a house consisting of your face as the facade counts as pretty advanced. Not sure it's THAT far in the future, especially since all the other Pokémon are alive and well. Then again maybe the thing you destroy in gates, the Bittercold, is the ancient Dark Matter? But who knows? I certainly don't. Just enjoy the game wherever you can. ^^
I didn’t see the Nuzleaf twist coming, but it definitely didn’t surprise me when it was revealed.
one of those "Ohhhh, of course that makes sense" kind of twists?
@@Focie yeye, exactly that
....daddy leaf, send me to school
That sounds so wrong, I love it
XD
Bruh thats so cool
@@Focie too much wrong.
I genuinely look back at Super with fond memories. It feels like it took what made the Etrian Mystery Dungeon do so well and expands on it. It is such a love letter to the franchise, and both the art style and music are awesome! Sure the story wasn't mapped too well, and the characters weren't as emotionally engrained, it still felt good.
And now with the deluxe re-release of the original rescue squad games, I actually think the graphics look amazing for what they were able to do on a 3DS.
I agree, it's certainly very colourful.
What's so nice about these games is that I might have a lot of issue with them there and then, but the everlasting image is always one with fond memories. It's impossible not to love them.
Well Let's see...
For starters, I wanna thank you for this video, I feel like you are the first person to cover this video in a deep way on UA-cam, and I really appreciate that, since this is one of my favourite games of all time.
Now, watching your video, It leaves me scratching my head a little, because it amazes me that in almost 40 minutes you still didn't mention a few things I deem to be of importance. For example, the graphics and the music, which I believe to be pretty strong points to this game, especially the latter. I think the script could've been better handled to make room for those kinds of things. Also, I feel like you should've mentioned a little bit about the epilogue and all the post-game content, since the game has a lot to offer gameplay-wise after the main story is over.
Regardless of all that, I feel like some people miss the point to this game's story. I mean, sure, you save the world and all that, but it's that really the important thing happening here? Because I'm pretty sure the game was trying really hard to make the partner the focus of the hystory, and I'm pretty surprised you didn't really say a lot about her (the partner). First of all, the way you meet and get to become friends with her is, to me, the most genuine one of the entire series by a lot. I always felt like I was being handed a character to care about in the other games, while in this one, your friendship with the partner got built up from the moment you meet her. When she actually asked me if I wanted to be her friend, I didn't say "yes" because I was meant to, I said it because I had grown to know about her dreams, her endeavors, her conflicts... and so I wanted to be there to support her, since nobody else wanted to. My frienship with the character in this game just made sense and felt justified to me.
More than anything, I feel like this game is about "acceptance". The way you accept the partner despite her flaws or the fact that she might get you in trouble from time to time, the way she accepts you as a human even though nobody really believes you, and the fact that the partner ends up accepting dark matter as a part of the world and the main character accepts it as well in the epilogue, not caring if it ends up coming back. At the end of the day, negative emotions are a part of our life, and we need to learn to deal with them, right? Going by this, I don't really see why someone would judge the story to be "unpersonal" or simply "epic". I mean, c'mon, the partner's theme has a variety of remixes and shows up every now and then within themes like "don't give up" or "make it!".
The partner character from this game is my favourite in the series. Not only do they grow as a character, having actual flaws to improve on, but the game actually calls her out on them unlike Explorers of Sky/Time/Darkness, which simply makes you pity the partner's cowardly nature. They feel like an interesting character that's fun and endearing to invest into, and your firendship with them always feels balanced because the main character's stoic personality compliments her reckless anticst. It also helps that the main character actually has lines of dialogue this time around, similarly to Gates to Infinity, and takes action several times in the story. This game's characters don't really grow as a result of the game deciding to focus on the partner instead, and the fact that you didn't really have to earn the expedition society memeber's trust seems to me like a decision to make them feel like a more mature and level headed group, as opposed to the Guild memebers in explorers, which were more like apprentices.
I understand that character's like this game's partner are "hit or miss" for a lot of people, and her character arch might not have been your cup of tea. But I still feel like you really left a lot to talk about here, considering that you actually addressed the partners from the other games a lot more. I also know the ending can be a little confusing, and the point you bring up about the memory-erasure is a good one, but I believe that it's a really good plot twist considering the series' tendency to repeat the same ending formula for every single game, with GtI mixing it up a little bit, and putting aside the memory thingy, it really makes sense on retrospective. This game's ending was actually the only one in the series to get me close to shedding tears, which is kind of ironic considering you had the opposite experience, and I feel like, just like in GtI, the reactions from both sides are realistic. When you part ways, both you and your partner feel sad about it, and your partner even pleads you not to cry, which really hit me when I played it.
There's some more stuff I'd like to say, but I wanted to focus on the partner (just like the game we're covering here) and this comment is getting pretty long already... so yeah sorry about that.
Despite the things I just mentioned, I still enjoyed your video quite a lot, and I hope to see more stuff from you in the future, I actually really liked the way you covered this games.
Have a really nice day.
Thank you for the well thought out comment... And yeah, it's close to 40 minutes and it STILL feels a little rushed here and there. Originally, I had plans to have a friend of mine offer his opposing views on the ending and the characters, and I think that'd have been a really interesting dynamic, but it had to be cut for time. Mostly because the comments here allow me to flesh out my thoughts a bit and engage in discussion.
I wish I talked about the music. I really do. I wanted to. Both music and graphics, but to really do them both justice, it'd have been around 10 minutes longer, and I already saw this as an impossibly long project. The music and graphics are both phenomenal. I love them both, which is surprising since I'm usually not too into 3D graphics. Much prefer the old sprites. However the world is just so colourful that it's hard not to fall in love with the style. Musically, there are so many tracks that really get you. Remixes, hints to the themes of the game, etc. Both earcandy and braincandy. Much appreciated pieces of music have been written, and I like the soundfont used. Ultimately these additions to the scrips were also scrapped in the interest of time. After all, the main piece of focus here is the story, but I should've maybe dropped at least a few lines about the music and graphics here and there.
I do like how your partner does go from being almost insufferable in the beginning to somewhat more dialed back in the end. It's a subtle piece of character growth, I agree.. But it's not really... a satisfying one, if you get what I mean? She's never mean and then turn good. She was always good. Just a bit... free spirited, let's put it that way. Not really something to GROW on.
If the game's focus is on the partner and the partner's growth, I would have liked to see more of the ramifications of the partner's life. As far as I know, you see this about... once. When you come back from hell, she opts NOT to go with her impulse and see Serene Village turned to stone. This is a wonderful moment which does show her growth, and I appreciate it. I just wish it was just one stepping stone of many hinting to the change, rather than be one of the sole examples and climax of it all.
The final twist on you NOT leaving was one I really appreciated from the change of the formula, but in the end, it did feel like a twist for the sake of having a twist, if you know what I mean? Sometimes this game felt like they did this or that just for the sake of doing it. "going through the motions", I think I called it in the video. Dogs being asswipes for the sake of setting up a chatot-like redemption arc, partner leaving for the sake of changing it up a bit. It's not bad in and of itself. Actually really appreciate the effort. I don't think I saw that coming at all, but... As with the theme of acceptance which you had already laid out, the partner had already accepted that she had to leave. You had not. I think the clash here is that your partner didn't seem particularly sad due to said acceptance, but you were. I think... I think I'd have liked it more if neither party had accepted it. That would've made them play more off each other in regards to dialogue, and I can imagine that being pretty heartwrenching.
Still, all of this is of course subjective. That's how it goes with these sort of things, and I can definitely see why you enjoy the game so much. I'm not in any way shape or form saying it's a bad game. I'm only being hard on it because I love the series so much. I think it can reach further than it did. I want to see it become the defacto RPG experience.
In the end... I guess all I can say is... thank you so much for the support and the comment. My videos are never perfect and I know this one has a lot of flaws here and there. Still, I'm so grateful people like you take the time to come and write a comment. It means more than you can imagine. Thank you very much!
Suicune was the only legendary that wasn't a douche nozzle.
I knew having him on my team in colosseum would benefit me in the long run lol
21:13 That Serperior slither tho. XD
¿Por qué UA-cam no me aviso del video en su momento? Bueno, valió la pena esperar por ver otro video más de usted, me ha encantado. Ya me dio por hacer un fanart de usted.
In regards to the Nuzleaf thing:
I always took it as Nuzleaf wiping your memory of your initial encounter with him.
The beat you up and such, and then play it off as Nuzleaf being the Hero, and the Bahayeem are the ones after you (they dont even really try to get you).
He also didn't know that your memory of the events were already wiped, he just assumed you knew it beforehand.
So the Nuzleaf memory wipe is totally unrelated to the Mew one.
Also I for one didn't expect him to betray you, since, he took the time to take care of you and stuff, and he already was an established member of the village i think.
I hadn't thought much of him leaving, I just figured it was an adult having some errands to run.
Well, I suppose that could be.. but he said they were surprised to see that you had lost your memory after being hit with a blast. In other words; you knew beforehand, but then the blast happens and then you forget. If you had already been wiped by mew, you shouldn't have known beforehand and Nuzleaf wouldn't have ended up fighting you after all.
The one cool part of the Facebook mons is that theyre story important characters from the series. So the Alakazam you have on your team in the one from Red and Blue rescue that hunted that team down or Emolga is from gates of infinity. I think that has a slight appeal to it.
That definitely has a wonderful appeal to them, but I also like how you just find them around in the world as well
Great video as always Focie and thank you for showing my art ^^
Also the jokes we're so good hahah :p
A great return Focie, really enjoyed your review as always. I do agree with a lot of your points especially in the story, lots of build up but the climax is a bit lacking. I will say I will defend the Facebook thing to very end but I understand that it doesn't have that same charm as a bulletin board, maybe if they made the UI have more to it it could have been better. Loved the art here too especially the old "Am I annoying comic" Fox made a while back. I always spoke very highly to you to many other creators that I have interacted with, and you were in fact the main reason I wanted to start my own channel as well. I cannot thank you enough for that and I might even come back to the server after that little incident. Regardless, to end this comment off to something kinda relevant to the video, you didn't talk about the soundtrack at all so I want to hear your thoughts on it. Personally I find it to have more memorable tunes that the others with the others usually having no more than 5-6 tracks I like, but this game has a bag of em.
I would've loved to talk about soundtrack and graphics, but time, man.. TIME! This was already 39 minutes long!
For the record, I loved both. Graphics are charming as all heck because of the art style being so vibrant. Music is full of earcandy. So many good tracks, I struggled to choose between them for the background music
@@Focie Thats great! PSMD probably has my favorite ost and graphics out of the PMD games with PMD EOS being really close. Also, you could have added 30 minutes to make it 69 Focie :)
@@LunarDave Nice!
I agree with your view on the games going forward, It would have been amazing in the rescue team games if on mt freeze you were found to be the human. You would run away, and you would have everyone, even your partner against you, and the In the final scene you’re cornered by all the teams hunting you, and you sacrifice yourself.all the teams are staring in awe, at what just happened. Then, the credits roll. That would have made it so much better because your partner is just so trusting but then they learn they shouldn’t have been.
I'm definitely interested in seeing something a bit more shocking like that.
A few things
Regarding the Ampharos gimmick, I played the italian version which I recall stated that Ampharos cannot see well
Another thing is I like to think Ampharos is a combination between Quagsire from Gates To Infinity and Wigglytuff, he's competent but not completely
I agree with this review fully
That sounds like a localization that makes a ton of sense! He SHOULD be unable to see very well, because that's how he acts!
I don’t know why but after recently completing this game I gotta say it’s my favorite mystery dungeon.
Oh man, that's high praise! I'm really glad you liked it so much ^^
“ dad leaf “ is the greatest thing I’ve heard all day
It would be interesting if the antagonists of the next game (if there is a next game :( ) are a group of Pokémon that discovers Pokeballs and starts catching and enslaving other Pokemon, or maybe a trainer from the mainline games that has somehow been sent to the Pokémon World and starts catching the "wild" Pokémon, creating their own personal army.
Every PMD fan HAS to play this. No exceptions.
Definitely the most refined in the series.
It's really good.
@@eeveestar6826 I agree :)
No play all the games explores is the one to go to.
@@comercole1940 everyone disregard what he said. Play both, and when you're not playing one game, you should be playing the other
The foxolotl Part killed me dude, i had to subscribe After that one, awesome Video Man! Keep the Good work up
Aww. That's super nice. Thank you :D
Ngl, the partner Pokemon I relate to a lot, as she seems to have a lot of quirks that reminds me of mold autism and ADHD.
They're hyperactive,often forgetful, extremely honest and blunt almost to their determent, and that overreaction actually made me think she was focusing too much one ONE thing the mc said.
SPOILER!
Which makes sense why the partner is secretly mew
I know I am a late, but hopefully some people see this comment.
In my opinion, for the whole memory thing I always had assumed that mew had wiped your memory in the past after the first dark matter event, and then your character wandered the world and you made new memories. And finally in the present/future you had your memory wiped a second time by nuzleaf and the beheeyem. So you would have been screwed over two times for losing your memory. And this would fit in with the story of apparently losing your memories from 2 different times.
Alternatively mew could have just erased memories of itself from you along with the implications of destroying dark matter. So you would still retain most of your memories, with some missing. And then you fully lost the rest of your memories when nuzleaf and the beheeyem went to wipe your memories.
With either way of things happening you were screwed over with forgetting things. Humans as pokemon need something to shield themselves to prevent this from happening.
I was looking for someone who goes deep into the Pokémon Mystery Dungeon series and what luck, one of the few people doing that is a Norwegian like myself! I love this series and am really enjoying your videos! Bra jobba! :)
Heheeey! Kult! Tusen takk! Jeg setter pris på det :D
This is probably my favorite game of all time i know it has some problems but it just hits me in so many good places that i have to love it.
That's AWESOME. I also really, really like it. Usually, all these games have issues which detract a bit. In Rescue team, it was a little too simple in scope for the gameplay and story. Still REALLY good, just a little bit simple.
Sky's story was good, but told in a really horrendous way. Your character has a tendency to repeat what you just said, and the flashbacks are... plentiful to say the least.
Gate's story was bad, but its characters were great. At least some of them.
And super has its own issues discussed here... but flaws and all, they all have wonderfully redeeming qualities and I find myself loving all the games all the same
Explorers also kinda did the reverse of that ghost/dark prejudice thing. I don't know how anyone's supposed to not think that Dusknoir isn't gonna be some kind of bad guy, especially if you played last MD games and have ever read ghost type pokedex entries. Basically every ghost type is some spawn of devil that exist only to eat small children and drag their souls to hell. But when it went out of its way to not only help us but to also solve the conflict peacefully, I started to have doubts. And then it turned out that sike, he was bad guy all along, Sableyes are also murderous little shits, Spiritomb tries to molest Grovyle and later we find Frostlass keeping Scizor captive and then there's also the final antagonist. Boy did they lean hard on that ghost/dark=evil. It was kinda disappointing since I was positively surprised when a kids game made me think of my own prejudices and why I have them. The last thing that should follow such revelation is that you should have just stuck with those beliefs. I think that's the reason why they made point to follow through with that twist in following game
The beginning of this game feels like the nostalgia critic's review of Xmen movie, where rogue is enrolled into Xavier's school for the gifted without her parents permission.
Get your ass to history class!!!
I am sorry you saw it coming!! Luckily I totally forgot about his disappearing, so the Nuzleaf twist hit me like a TRUCK. I had stop and think "I'm playing a pokemon game!?"
Man, I am both jealous and super happy for you! I think regardless of me seeing it coming, the game is wonderful and I'm happy that people love it. It deserves it.
The last one for a while and I didn't get TO PLAY IT hopefully there will be one for switch
Hopefully! fingers crossed
Well, now there is!
"The final entry"
NOOOOO DONT SAY THAT
Also you're baaaack!!!
30:10 I think it's a case of Nuzleaf thinking it was the psychic blast while it actually just being something that already happened. So essentially his plan happens regardless, he just thinks it was possible because of something his crew did, not something that was already done in a forgotten era.
"Pokémon Super Mystery Dungeon will be the last Pokémon Mystery Dungeon game"
Pokémon Legends Arceus : Let me introduce myself.
Wait, did I miss something? Does Legends Arceus look like a Mystery Dungeon game?
@@Focie Yes, it is an upcoming Pokémon Mystery Dungeon game.
@@Focie It's an Isekai. I think that's why people compare the two of them.
The final game! I was really hoping we'd have another game announced by the time this video came out
Me too! hahaha. Maybe I should have waited a bit longer, eh?
Oh wow, you managed to entertain me for 40 minutes while talking about mystery dungeon of all things. Good job dude (also very nice fan art at the very end)
I got so, so much, but the video would have been 40 hours long if I put it all, so I opted for some highlights.
If your next video isnt 40 hours long i’m calling you out
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I'm damn happy I got to play super before you resealed this (even if it got released a couple of months later than I originally thought it would)
A couple of months later than it should have for sure. This was originally planned for JULY 2018
@@Focie Work and other duties delays those schedules, but we are aware anyway. Thanks that you presented the final episode of: Focie beats gods despite of amnesia.
@@marioamkiez2520 Thanks again, Tsam. I really appreciate that :D
All the pokemon missions had spinoffs. My favorites were the pokemon from sky and its side stories that were in Super. It made me happy.
21:12
That Serperior running animation killed me. XD
I NEEDED to put it in somewhere! It's so funny! :P
Sunny: **forces a smile**
I really liked this game. I also noticed it was a lot more challenging than any of the old ones, but that could be because my main was Treeko...which is very disadvantaged through the early game LOOKING AT YOU FIRE MOUNTAIN
I like that what you look for in a new pmd is your character being the true bad guy and overcoming that because that’s kinda what explorers of sky’s post game is. Whenever you finish you should really watch the Theorizer’s video on the plot of explorers of sky. It really fits everything perfectly/makes everything make more sense at the end. It’s the reason this game is my favorite out of all of them
I'm very interested in doing just that. Thank you :D
.... But what if Ampharos' "Bad sense of direction" is just an excuse for being constantly drunk?
I accept this as an explanation. It all makes sense now!
this was the first mystery dungeon game I played and let me tell you that all along the protagonist was hinting that he would've to go, and when the partner left that actually surprised me, even gave me a reason to go trough the epilog the fastest i could to get him back. Afther that I looked up the other mystery dungeons and to my surprise it was actually you who had to left.
to summarize I cannot agree with you about the ending.
Well, it's just a subjective matter. I'm really glad you enjoyed it :)
its awesome to hear that you will finish the sky review. The credits may role but game doesnt end at that point, which is why i love these games so much because it gave me what I felt like a sequel to what I just played in the same game.
I really thought that nothing would change! I am no longer affiliated with the guild in any way, but Chatot still takes 90%? Alright, nothing changes, so I'm not missing anything...
That's what I thought anyway
Super Mystery Dungeon is my least favorite game in the series. The improvements are great. like the quiz, and being able to choose what Pokémon you become. I really don’t like the story, and characters though.
That sounds about right on the money for what I said too. Well, a bit more positive, but yes. I get you
@Mrpikalink Really? In that case, I gotta say that was a pretty good bait and switch
actually the game got my personality correct fully so i will give it that
@Mrpikalink look up project pokemon personality quiz for super. they break it down pretty good
Ampharos is so ditzy he's dizzy
Didn't even mention the Banger that is Dark Matter Phase 2 theme
I didn't mention any of the music, which is a flaw of this video for sure. Rest assured, I think the music is excellent!
Great video... And you'll see how good Explorers of Sky is after you do the post game. It's as long and more complex that the original storyline and it leaves you with one major question.
Oh boy. I dunno if it needed more complexity though, but we'll see :D
@@Focie it's still the same storyline. It becomes a bit more complex but it all finds its way around and finishes fully. It's not like one of those games where you say "oh God this was completely extra". You'll be pleasantly surprised!
@@RaianNSX that puts me at ease
i think i rly like the partner. especially her theme . its such a feel good theme until you get to the ending the entire song turns into a sad song (i dont rly know how to explain it) it just changes the entire "meaning" of the song for me and i love that so much.
Yeah, I don't think I mentioned it in this game, but the soundtrack is dope!
The end of the game hit me with something I wasnt ready for, Ixhated saying goodbye to Kipperz, that little mudkip was my world
The postgame I got him back but DANG the ending was so emotional, a twist I wasnt ready for
The pokemon I chose was a charmander named Alex
I love hearing these little stories. Thank you!
@@Focie no problemo!
17:40 Ooh. The Connection Orb reminds me of how .hack party members were. You don't get nearly as many potential people as this game gives you, but since the concept in .hack is that you're a bunch of gamers playing an online game, sometimes the other people in your friends list are off doing IRL things (or other story things without your knowledge) so you have to message other party members to tag along instead. Definitely a fun idea flavor wise.
Can you elaborate on that a little bit? I've no idea what that would look like
This is my favorite 3ds game... and my fave pkmn game in general...
Love this series a lot, even tho I only played red, sky, and super. I like to always go with Squirtle and Chikorita.
Super is the one that left such a big impact. I enjoy both the story and the gameplay a lot. I even when ahead and recruited everyone.... including Arceus. Now I just gotta get last 3 treasures, and I guess is done...
Wow, that's a lot! I'm impressed! Glad you like it so much :D
@@Focie Thank you! And thanks for your videos. Currently only missing 2 treasures.
Btw, will you cover the new pmd dx?
@@leeeroyjenkins555 I think so, yeah. Lets me update my thoughts on the video ^^
Great video, Focie. I'm always impressed by you because each and every video you make seems to have more and more effort put into it. I never played the any of the Mystery Dungeons games but I feel like I've completed them all thanks to you. I also really like the idea you put forth for a new Mystery Dungeon game.
I'd love to see you analyze Persona 5 and the Tales of games (specifically Vesperia and Symphonia 1+2), just as you did with the Mystery Dungeon series. Of course those are like, really long and time consuming RPGs but I'd love to see your opinions on them.
I loved Symphonia 1. Cam Clarke is really good as Auron. I struggled a bit with the combat system to begin with, but I started liking it. As for Persona 5...? I JUST GOT THAT GAME, BABY! We'll see what I'll do with that beauty
New PMD game for Switch is coming. So get ready folks!
I'm excited! :D
I chose my starters based on typing a such, Charmander as YTSunny, and Fang as Chikorita.
Team Friendship returns with a new role: Connecting with other Pokémon with the Connection Orb.
Same team going for here, but I'm going to evolve them. While taking on the most hardest dungeons ever.
I think the Abyssal Badlands japanese translated name is Hell Badlands.
would love a list of all the songs used in the video!
I honestly like to imagine poor Ampharos being drunk
You've read my mind, I have been thinking about how the next mystery dungeon could have the player being the bad guy as a human and dont remember anything, and when it is revealed it would be a huge plot twist. As I got to the nuzleaf plot twist in PSMD I thought krookodile was talking to me when he was talking about paying him... I would have prefered that kind of plot twist.
I would love a PMD where you try your hardest to do the right thing, but trying to be good only makes you bad.
@@Focie Wow, thats deep...
I would also lime a pmd game where you wake up with your partner pokemon (turned into a pokemon, obviously) and the only thing you remember is your partner and someone using some kind of weird magic on you. You and your partner would have to investigate who was the one who turned you into a pokemon
@@Danirbu That could be cool indeed!
One thing that i hate about this game, its that its clearly stated that the main character is an adult, but nuzleaf sends him to Elementary school.
Yeah.. That's true. I guess they did it because they figured an elementary school would be the best place to learn basic stuff about the world, but... I think players could've pieced that together just by talking to people
I completely agree with your thoughts on the game. I do wish you touched a bit more on the music side though. Like one of the reason I really like this game is because of the music. The first half of the songs are really cute and relaxing, but another part is in generally just sad. One of my favorites, Depths of the Submerged Cave sometimes strikes me hard as hell. That song alone gives me feelings of regret and nostalgia, almost as if I'm watching the happier times of my life. Allow in me to only watch and regret what I've lost. Then there's the music that's just so so so good to listen to like fire island volcano and dark matter's second theme.
It really sucks to say, but I had to cut out my thoughts on both music and graphics due to the length already. Luckily, I can fill you in here.
I love the music. It's earcandy in all the right ways, with remixed old themes, remixed themes you heard before, etc. The partner's Theme Leitmotif just works so well with this game and I adore it. I also really like what they did with the graphics. I'm usually not a fan of low poly 3D models and tend to prefer sprites to 3D models in general, but the game is just so gosh darn colourful. How could I not love it?
The next PMD should star the very first human that never really loses their memory.
This game was the first to humor the idea that you, the pleyer pokemon, were possibly not a kid at all. You just LOOKED like a kid to the others.
So I would love it if the next PMD would star a player character that had no amnesia. Or at least they didn't feel like they did because they knew their previous life's history and what their world/time was like in extensive detail.
I like the plot twist that you actually had two instances where there were events you should remember. So, maybe this isn't your first time around like with Mudkip you here.
Maybe, like in infinity, you were helping, albeit unknowingly and maybe not in your present form, someone you are opposing now.
Alternatively, maybe a story where you AREN'T the human who got called to the world to be a pokemon and the human who DID get called turns into your partner a little later on. Maybe after you find them in a dungeon, left in a bad way. And perhaps, they aren't the best person in the world. Maybe they are even have a bad attitude and/or aren't innocent in mind. Think "they aren't a terrible person, but they've seen some things.
Would also be nice if one of you was a starter pokemon and the other was a non-standard first evo or second evo to demonstrate the difference in experiences, but maybe that's a bit broken gameplay-wise.
Point is, something non-traditional.
I agree with your points and like your own thoughts on how they could write the narrative as well ^^ I think I woulda liked Red Rescue more if they HAD made you a bad guy who needed to work at redemption. Instead, that game came off as a bit... plain to me.
I would definitely have enjoyed seeing a game that takes a non-traditional angle at telling these stories! You got some good ideas! :D
I loved this game.
However, it might be because my partner is almost EXACTLY like the partner pokemon in this game, and I had named the character after her by coincidence. I grew VERY attached to the partner pokemon. I also didn't see the nuzleaf twist coming, so there's that.
I loved it too. I do feel the ending was somewhat flubbed, but as a whole, I loved it. I tend to love all of them
So glad you're back making videos, dude!
Havent watched this video yet, but I'm excited to. Despite being a huge fan of this series I couldn't finish this game through due to it's extremely slow early game pacing paired with its somehow even younger target audience.
I'll comment more once I'm caught up on the vid haha.
I never finished it through but damn, that's a bit disappointing on the story. The characters, and your partner especially, were the real driving factor for me in previous games. As the games went on they made the story more and more grandiose, and obviously couldn't fill in all the plot holes that came with that size.
Thank you very much, dude. I really appreciate it!
Of course man! And I meant I never finished the game through, not your video haha.
Keep the videos coming!
@@noitsjustcody Oh yeah. Will do. Not stopping anytime soon.
This game is what got me into the post-post-game/end-game of PMD games. (the content after the post-game story)
Because everything is just such a neat checklist that's fairly simple to complete?
Another fun fact if you hadn’t noticed already or if it hasn’t already been pointed out to you, the continents are the regions from the previous Mystery Dungeon games!
I believe I even mentioned it in the review, but in case I didn't; I was aware, yes. ^^
Thank you for telling me though. It is a fun fact to be sure.
Could you plz do review of rescue team dx
Yes, absolutely! That's the idea!
My interpretation of the memory plot hole was always that you didn’t get your memory wiped until you were in the middle of the battle with Nuzleaf. Like, you were transported to the future, started fighting Nuzleaf, and then Mew wiped you memory. That still leaves the plot hole of how Mew wiped your memory from the body and mind of your partner, but I’m willing to believe that maybe Xerneas didn’t put Mew “to sleep” until after that happened. Idk. That scene still made me cry.
The ending makes sense if you assume Nuzleaf is lying because he is a dark type until the after the redemption at the end.