Still not 100%, but an amazing progress. Once again, it's authentic to recognize the hurdles and challenges that a flightsimmer always goes through to replicate the flight experience as realistically as possible. Thanks for the insight!
I don't think you made as many mistakes as you thought. What you did wrong: I would have contacted Essendon ground not Melbourne Centre to get your clearance. Don't think you did anything wrong at 04:30, maybe "Affirm" would of more precise to indicate you were ready for descent, but a real world controller would know what you are talking about. QNH is required readback (which is why he's getting upset 05:30), but anything with "expect" is not. At moorabbin the correct taxi call is "moorabbin ground, jae, at alpha 5, request taxi to the apron". Then they will come back with "JAE taxi to the apron" and you can just respond with your callsign. Here are some notes I had about BeyondATC as I'm watching. Needs some work to match Australian conditions. Australian controllers won't say "readback correct", if you got it correct they'll acknowledge with your callsign. We don't have "Radar" controllers in Australia, we have "enroute", Essendon tower will likely hand you off to Melbourne Departures or Approach though. I would expect the Essendon 8 departure, where they assign you a heading (which can be runway heading) The approach/departure controller would of likely asked for your intentions at Moorabbin, eg you could have done a visual approach or a RNP/NDB approach. They won't radar vector you in that zone since you'll be entering into Class G airspace below 2500, so if you did want the visual approach it'd be like "Cleared to leave controlled airspace descending" then "controlled services terminated", they'll still provide a information service. Then when you enter into YMMB if conducting a visual approach it'll be the same as a VFR approach (just different rules around visibility), so they'll likely give you a leg of the circuit to join (in your case probably oblique base runway 17R). At moorabbin (and every class D I been to) they won't tell you which taxiway to vacate on. They definitely won't care about a ramp number for sure since there aren't any at moorabbin :)
cheers Glenn and good to know I didnt completely stuff it, although always room to improve. Appreciate your feedback. I reckon this program has some great potential, especially for those (like me) who are complete novices and want to practice........
Hey mate, Beyond ATC looks interesting but obviously still needs work, I’m sure it’ll improve. I’m interested to see how it handles an IFR flight entirely outside controlled airspace. Are they the standard voices or have you paid the extra for the fancy ones? Also, just as a tip, you don’t need to say Victor Hotel, just Juliet Alpa Echo. Enjoy what’s left of the weekend!
Cheers buddy. Appreciate the feedback. I normally do just say Juliet Alpha Echo but for some reason got stuck in the "zone" with this one., Might have been because of the callsign as filed on SimBrief. Agree still needs work and to Glenn's point below, needs to get the phraseology more aligned with what we do here in Australia. Has great potential though and this is after all an early access so we cant expect too much yet...........
once I get some IFR miles in me then yep..........For a novice it isnt a bad program though and a good way for them to learn before being let loose on VatSim..........
Perhaps at present, but dont forget is early release....It was clearly caveated by the developers it would have bugs and I didnt expect anything less. Personally I feel it has great potential.
@@CessSim I want to believe. It’s just that people don’t talk like that. ATC tells you to descend they don’t ask if you’re ready lol. It’s just all over the place and half-baked. I has a lot way to go it appears.
@@Fcreceptor Yep I agree but give it time. For an AI based piece of technology, IMO this is the best there is and I am confident will be refined well over time.......
I find if I have Beyond ATC open in a separate monitor then I can get a better idea on how it wants me to respond. Not ideal and I'm No expert, but it has done me well so far.
@@georgefaulk2528 OK. Understood. Yes I agree there are some things not being fully delivered. Having said that as a complete amateur like myself I do feel this has potential. I did enjoy it and will be doing some more soon....
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Still not 100%, but an amazing progress. Once again, it's authentic to recognize the hurdles and challenges that a flightsimmer always goes through to replicate the flight experience as realistically as possible. Thanks for the insight!
Someday soon I'm hoping they'll change that boink to some scratchy squawking sound as we are more used to for radio communication.
Yes I agree although you can elect to turn it off in settings...
What an absolutely gorgeous sim setup , the image quality you are getting is great.
Cheers mate. Greatly appreciated and thanks for tuning in...
@@CessSim thank you sir. I have been putting together a home mixed reality sim. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
The voices and accents are pretty good. I agree with that little boink sound though.
The coolest hobby ever. Been doing it since '83. FS1 or 2.
Yep agreed, both building and flying !!
Can you maybe do a video on your setup? Its amazing!
@@danielouw2095 Hi. Check out my recent video which should help. Thanks for watching.
I don't think you made as many mistakes as you thought. What you did wrong: I would have contacted Essendon ground not Melbourne Centre to get your clearance. Don't think you did anything wrong at 04:30, maybe "Affirm" would of more precise to indicate you were ready for descent, but a real world controller would know what you are talking about. QNH is required readback (which is why he's getting upset 05:30), but anything with "expect" is not. At moorabbin the correct taxi call is "moorabbin ground, jae, at alpha 5, request taxi to the apron". Then they will come back with "JAE taxi to the apron" and you can just respond with your callsign.
Here are some notes I had about BeyondATC as I'm watching. Needs some work to match Australian conditions.
Australian controllers won't say "readback correct", if you got it correct they'll acknowledge with your callsign.
We don't have "Radar" controllers in Australia, we have "enroute", Essendon tower will likely hand you off to Melbourne Departures or Approach though.
I would expect the Essendon 8 departure, where they assign you a heading (which can be runway heading)
The approach/departure controller would of likely asked for your intentions at Moorabbin, eg you could have done a visual approach or a RNP/NDB approach. They won't radar vector you in that zone since you'll be entering into Class G airspace below 2500, so if you did want the visual approach it'd be like "Cleared to leave controlled airspace descending" then "controlled services terminated", they'll still provide a information service. Then when you enter into YMMB if conducting a visual approach it'll be the same as a VFR approach (just different rules around visibility), so they'll likely give you a leg of the circuit to join (in your case probably oblique base runway 17R).
At moorabbin (and every class D I been to) they won't tell you which taxiway to vacate on.
They definitely won't care about a ramp number for sure since there aren't any at moorabbin :)
cheers Glenn and good to know I didnt completely stuff it, although always room to improve. Appreciate your feedback. I reckon this program has some great potential, especially for those (like me) who are complete novices and want to practice........
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Hey mate, Beyond ATC looks interesting but obviously still needs work, I’m sure it’ll improve. I’m interested to see how it handles an IFR flight entirely outside controlled airspace. Are they the standard voices or have you paid the extra for the fancy ones? Also, just as a tip, you don’t need to say Victor Hotel, just Juliet Alpa Echo. Enjoy what’s left of the weekend!
Cheers buddy. Appreciate the feedback. I normally do just say Juliet Alpha Echo but for some reason got stuck in the "zone" with this one., Might have been because of the callsign as filed on SimBrief. Agree still needs work and to Glenn's point below, needs to get the phraseology more aligned with what we do here in Australia. Has great potential though and this is after all an early access so we cant expect too much yet...........
Yeah I wasn't sure if he was putting VH- in there due to the way beyond atc works. Since Jason normally flies just saying Juliet Alpa Echo
@@glennwatson Yeah I thought he did, not sure why I opened my big trap actually.
I dont think its mature enough yet.
Agreed but I think good potential.......
You can't bear the human input...
once I get some IFR miles in me then yep..........For a novice it isnt a bad program though and a good way for them to learn before being let loose on VatSim..........
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Perhaps at present, but dont forget is early release....It was clearly caveated by the developers it would have bugs and I didnt expect anything less. Personally I feel it has great potential.
@@CessSim I want to believe. It’s just that people don’t talk like that. ATC tells you to descend they don’t ask if you’re ready lol. It’s just all over the place and half-baked. I has a lot way to go it appears.
@@Fcreceptor Yep I agree but give it time. For an AI based piece of technology, IMO this is the best there is and I am confident will be refined well over time.......
I find if I have Beyond ATC open in a separate monitor then I can get a better idea on how it wants me to respond. Not ideal and I'm No expert, but it has done me well so far.
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Thanks. Are you asking a question or is this a statement? Happy to respond.
@@CessSim Just a statement. Was promise a full product but only getting half of the promise.
@@georgefaulk2528 OK. Understood. Yes I agree there are some things not being fully delivered. Having said that as a complete amateur like myself I do feel this has potential. I did enjoy it and will be doing some more soon....