Grounding and Bonding
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- Опубліковано 6 лип 2024
- This is a brief walk through of a simple grounding and bonding system, and what happens with the flow of current in normal operation, and in a ground fault condition. There are no Code Rule references, however please be advised terminologies follow the 2015 Canadian Electrical Code.
Please be advised that in the last scenario, where there is only the path through ground, depending upon your location, there may not be sufficiently low impedance to trip the main overcurrent. Always ensure proper continuity of all grounding and bonding systems with the help of a licensed electrician.
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Great! Thank you! Today I tried to explain the reasoning for grounding and bonding to an employee, and your illustration is WAY more efficient than anything I could come up with.
Thank you for watching! I really like your metaphor for grounding as using an anchor in a ship. It's perfect!
FINALLY! AFTER 3 YEARS OF ELNC ENGINEERING AND 100 VIDEOS ON THE SUBJECT!!! SOMEONE WHO UNDERSTANDS LANGUAGE AND KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON WITH GROUNDING!!!
Thank you! I don't think I'll ever know it all though.
Peter, if it's language that you are heralding, then you should know that it is incorrect to cite Ohm's Law when speaking about impedance in an AC circuit. Only in a purely resistive circuit, that is also Ohmic, can Ohm's Law be cited or applied.
Many people simplify the term ohms law into a formula. Using the term ohms law as a blanket statement is very common in electrical analysis, which I'm sure you're very aware of. I'm well aware of what it truly means, but 9.9 out of ten people when asked what ohms law is will regurgitate the formula and often substitute Z for R. Does it mean it's correct? No. Does the formula still work to calculate the equivalent current flow in a circuit based on oppositionial ohmic equivalents? Yes.
Should we still use the term ohms law? Yes. To give learners an easier to digest theory for circuit analysis without diving into considerably deeper level physics to get the point across that ohms go up amps go down.
Wow what a great explanation of the different ways that the N.E.C. establishes rules and regulations to protect the typical person. Keep up the good work. Remember to take out a permit from you local agency if you do any type of electrical work or upgrades in your home and only use qualified electricians to make the changes otherwise if there is a fire and it is traced to defective electrical work your home insurance may not cover the damages.
what a great video! the best explanation I have every seen.all the years I have been around electric systems There has never been information this clear . thank you.....
Thank you for the encouraging words!
Excellent video. I'd like to add that scenario #2 also takes place simultaneously in scenario #1 but imagine it's not shown for clarity. Once current hits the ground bar, it's going to flow in the neutral and ground return path and ultimately end up at the source. These paths run parallel from the bus bar to the meter and more current will flow in neutral path since it's likely made of copper vs the aluminum or steel raceway
This video really helped me understand how it all worked, this is good to know because if you mess up anything it will still be able to trip the breaker.
Thanks for watching and commenting! I glad it could help. The only questionable scenario is the last one where the ground impedance (earth) may not be sufficiently low enough to trip the overcurrent.
Thank you so so so much!!! You are an awesome instructor. I’ve been researching and talking to knowledgeable people about this particular subject without any understanding. You definitely have made it easy to understand. Thanks again.
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Thank you for your clear animated presentation that makes thing very clear and set up different real scenarios. Great job!
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Very well done explanation that simplifies the NEC Article 250 overall concept. Thanks !
Great video! I got my degree in Computer engineering, and feel very comfortable with electrical theory. But these kind of explanations, involving EMT, and power coming in from your power pole outside, are not often taught in school. They are the great to bring Electrical systems into reality.
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Great video , so many people think the grounding electrode will clear a fault or remove shock potential and it won’t and your video clearly shows how you clear a fault or remove shock potential.
This was a great way to learn power panel's jigsaw puzzle particularly grounding, bonding and neutral. Hope hit 5M in your life. Generations will come and learn from this wow video.
Super and easy to understand presentation. not those confusing Talkarounds right to the point
Thanks verry much
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Amazing graphics and quality explanation. Thanks for sharing.
Very informative, you answered my question in depth. Thanks! 👍
Great video, Thanks for explaining it step by step. The animation is awesome, it made it so easy to understand.
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Thank u so much about this whole explanation, hopefully u can post more about this based on the NEC, like gfci, afci, all different wiring system, that kind of stuff thanks again
I am looking at creating an animated walkthrough of a GFCI receptacle and how it works. Thanks for watching!
Beautiful demonstration.
Best explaination Ive seen! Thanks for sharing!
Thanks! I appreciate that.
Thank you for making this video, it is well done and clear.
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I think one of the biggest problems understanding this is understanding that when talking about ground all grounds are not created equal. You have your grounding rod or earth ground. You have your metal body of your car or the chassis ground. You have your ground on your outlet, the fault current return ground. You have your shield on your guitar cable and when you get a buzzing sound they say they have a bad or broken ground. When you weld and you can't strike an arc you check the welding ground cable to the work piece. I think you've done a great job explaining ground in this application.
Thank you! I agree, there are many different systems with the same common "ground" term when they are very different systems.
Nice! Kratos taught me electrical topic more than school.
Excellent video. I have been teaching this for years. I find that about 90% of electricians and engineers think that the fault goes to earth ground. Some have even argued with me on this. Again excellent video!
Thanks for watching! I've had the same arguments so I'm glad I'm not alone haha. I tell my students if the current is going to ground you need to fix it or move.
schulerruler I wrote a comment about the current going to ground Electrode. Then I saw all the comments and your response, so I deleted it. Respectfully, Kevin
Your videos are amazing, its so easy to follow. You really helped me when I did Electrical Theory 1 last semester with the 3 wire Edison Video. Our books and instructors are good, but you explain a 1 hour concept in like 10 minutes which really helps when theres something we need help on.
Thank you for the encouraging comments!
Great video with explanation and working illustration makes it a lot easier to understand. Thanks.
Thank you for the explanation on grounding and bonding.
You are welcome! Thank you for watching!
Great graphic, excellent explanation.
Best video so far and it’s been 4 years , thank you good sir 😮💨
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Nice video. Showing the path of current step by step makes your explanation very clear. During the last part of your presentation, I would add that there's a non-zero impedance in the dirt between the house ground/dirt location and the transformer ground/dirt location. The breaker will trip only if that impedance has a relatively low value (typically 5 ohms or less). Since it is virtually impossible to configure a low impedance dirt connection in some locations, you should never rely on the idea that a fault into the dirt will trip the breaker. You might ask, if that's true, then what's the purpose of that dirt connection. Its purpose is to dump lightning and static induced charge into the ground. Whenever there's a lightning strike close by, the current flowing in the lightning bolt will create a very large changing magnetic field. That changing magnetic field will induce a voltage in all of the metal parts of the electrical system (conduits, wires, etc). If you don't connect that system to a dirt ground, those metal parts can provide a pretty nasty shock. So, what I am trying to say is that you need to make it clear that there are two types of "grounding" for systems governed by the National Electric Code. First, your "tripping the breaker", "current returning to its source", etc issues are part of "Equipment Grounding". Second, draining charge from lightning and static electricity to the dirt is part of "System Grounding". Bill
I just read my above comment, and it's possible that someone might misinterpret what I meant by "draining charge from lightning". I'm not talking about a direct hit from lightning. I'm talking about lightning going from cloud to cloud overhead. That short, high voltage DC pulse of current will generate an expanding and contracting magnetic field. If your metal conduit, wires, etc are in that changing magnetic field, a voltage will be induced on those metal parts. The "System Ground" connection to earth (the dirt) is installed to drain that charge.
Thanks for clarifying. I thought that was a significant oversight in the video
Love ur presentation; I use the toast theory at work, the young guys love it:
Awesome! Always the most practical resistive load I can think of.
Outstanding explanation. Thanks.
New meter sockets have a separate lug for ground now and the panel bond screw would be green.
Excellent tutorial with superb graphics.
Thank you for the encouraging words!
Superb video, clear, easy to understand explanation with animated diagram. I’m now a subscriber.
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Sir I would like to say that all of your educational video is useful and easy to understand... Thank you for teaching 👍
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Excellent video and explanation. Thank you.
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Great presentation schuleuuuler. I am a retired journeyman electrician and I sure miss my trade!
Thank you for watching! A lot of days I miss the tools.
That was a great video. Really clear and informative.
Thank you! I'm happy it was helpful for you.
Wow! Great graphic explanation. New to the channel. A graphic is worth a thousand words. You have a new subscriber
one of the best teachers at SAIT.
Thank you my friend. I appreciate the encouragement.
Good and simple explanation. Got the guys into a good discussion about old mentality/perception thinking that the current goes thru ground and back to panel ! Like you videos, kind of like Mike ones. but it's about CEC witch is more for me :)
thanks man. The visuals were great
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Thank you! Nicely explained!
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Great video. Very helpful!!!!!!!
Great video, I have a 65yr old panal that I have to use a generator on while new 100amp service is installed. I second guessed myself for a minute, should work ok.
New to channel. Excellent video and graphics.
I've moved back to grandpa's farm(Missouri, US) where all the electrical work was done by "touch it to see if its live" hillbillies. I knew nothing about ac so was confused and scared while working on it cause it didn't make sense. Now I know why. Neutral and ground are sometimes tied together at outlets, sometimes only hot and ground at outlets, all the breaker boxes have all the grounds and neutrals going to the bars with jumpers going to the box chassis, and the well only has 2 hot wires and no neutral OR ground. Your easy to understand explanation, the uncharacteristically salient remarks from UA-camrs, and your polite and thoughtful replies(guess the Canadian stereotype is true) may have(probably) saved my ass from turning into a flash of light or worse... getting hung up on a hot that wouldn't trip the breaker and slow roasting. Pretty impressive for a UA-cam, eh? I think I used "eh" correctly. 🤙
Lol. Thanks for the comment. You have definitely used "eh" correctly! Now go say sorry to someone for no reason, pound a bottle of pure Maple syrup and I'll make sure your official Canada touque goes in the mail.
I love farm jobs. Sometimes those old guys come up with the most effective, yet terrifying solutions.
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Yeppers, I worked on a 220VAC halogen light out at my in-laws, small desert town. I pulled the lamp, noted circuit breaker was off, aluminum ladder. The metal pole went hot. Luckily it was AC and I didn't fall, lost my breathe for a bit. Took a couple hours to find the problems. One was a missing ground.
On the main panel (first one after the meter) the neutrals and ground bars are bonded. Every sub panel after that the neutral and grounds are separated. The neutral bar connected to the neutral feeder wire from the main panel and the ground bar connected to the (usually #4 insulated ground wire) ground wire running back to the main panel connecting to the physical ground. I was recently working on a house where the wiring was quite old and I had to make sure all the metal boxes were grounded and the receptacles were grounded as well because the idiots who did the remodeling didn’t really know what they were doing. Tedious work.
Good video nicely made and looking at the comments it has surely brought some intellect's here to discuss their knowledge
Thanks for watching and commenting! Some very good points have been made, and some good discussions too!
That made a lot of sense, thanks
Mr. SchulerRuler, you have made an EXCELLENT video! Your animated diagram is an excellent visual tool that allows the viewer / student to 'see' the electrons, which is what understanding electricity is all about.
However, I do wish you kept the yellow short-circuit path on the screen longer, and speak to it more, so the viewer has more time to absorb it; you take it away quickly.
I have subscribed and look forward to seeing more of your videos!
awesome video Chris!! Ya toast!
Thank you. Good video.
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Awesome, well explained.
Love the visual 👍🏼
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I removed some old (unused) knob and tube wiring from my garage. Although there was no equipment ground conductor or raceway conductor, the neutral wire was much heavier than the hot wire. The hot wire was I think 10AWG and the neutral was 8 AWG. Was this their way of doing what you say about creating a low impedance path to ground?
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Thanks, I appreciate that.
@Mister Brookes Please keep in mind this is not a US video and other locations require less than 5ohms, as opposed to 25.
Also it is dependant upon the soil conductivity, moisture content and saline content. You are also assuming all services are 120v. If you are going to apply some ohms law for calculation purposes, don't forget about 480v and 600v services as well.
The NFPA or IEEE? Both state resistance to ground should be less than five ohms. The NEC states less than 25, and less than 5 for buildings with sensitive equipment.
Mr brooks, unless I misunderstand your comment are you saying that paralleling two rods would increase the resistance higher than 25 ohms? Adding the second rod would decrease the total resistance bringing it below 25 ohms, which is why the NEC requires the second rod. As an aside, Some localities will require a second rod in situations where a building does not have any code permitted electrodes, such as a garage where there is no water main, foundation rebar or building steel. This of course has no bearing on the original subject matter.
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Great explanation Sir. Thanks
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Great explanations thank you very much...
Thanks for watching! Hope it helps.
Does this also apply to underground service cables? I have only a main panel in my garage and there is no grounding rod. Excellent presentation! Thank you for sharing.
Thanks for the video, well done! Still confused on one thing though. If the meter and main panel both have the neutral bonded to the case/ground, would that cause objectionable current on the ground wire or metal conduit anytime there is normal current flow through the neutral? Being that there is a parallel path from the panel to the meter it seems as there would be. Just like if a sub panel was had the neutral and ground bar bonded together there would always be current flowing on the ground when there is current flowing on the neutral back to the main which would be a problem. Why is it not a problem when it’s flowing on the ground from the main panel to meter? Or am i just misunderstanding something?
In KSA we have adopted the US system that is split phase 220 / 110 what confused me is that in my home panel there is no bonding between earth bus and the nutral bus like most panel in usa in fact the earh bus is isolated from the panel. Does the earth work in this condition. Any explanation
Nice simple explanation
wow thank u so much for this video
Thanks for this info sir, I have only one question, assuming the grounding wire from the panel disconnected (the grounding wire going to ground rod), will still be tripped the breaker if the load's body touched to the hot wire or live wire? If someone touched the body of the load which touched the hot wire, will not he or she be electrically shock because someone touched a hot wire and he or she is grounded, he or she will become a load of the circuit.
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Great explanation. Thank you
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Thanks for the encouraging words!
Perfect example of why neutral in ground are hooked together with the bonding screw so the breaker will trip when there's a short circuit to ground if not ground will become hot because of the resistance to Earth ground
Very good explained
Thanks for watching! Hope it helps.
Nice explanation.
Excellent!
Great! Thank you! Plez tell me what happened remove earth wire in db board
Great info: I have a question? on a short . net. to power....will the main breaker only trip when the current exceeds the main breaker amps? it will only trip the load breaker if short only exceeds the load circuit amps?
A standard thermal magnetic breaker will trip from a short circuit current, meaning line to ground or line to line due to very low impedance causing a strong enough electromagnet in the breaker to pull open the trip coil.
In an overload condition, meaning higher than regular current but far less than short circuit (say 18 amps on a 15amp breaker) the higher current will cause excessive heat inside the breaker (resistor or simar device) that will cause a bimetallic strip to bend and actuate the trip latch.
Not sure if this answers your question or not.
how do i know if my gas csst piping is bonded? Im looking at the icc evaluation notes on this and it says its considered bonded if "connected to the equipment grounding conductor of the circuit supplying that appliance." so does this mean that there's an extra piece required..the csst is not just coming from the floor and connected to the appliance gas connection?
Excellent teaching. could you explain when the main ground to the panel get disconnected at 115v outlets can read 220v
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If the reference to ground is removed at your neutral point, or if the neutral is broken, your supply voltage (240v) will distribute proportionally amongst the loads. Higher impedance loads will have higher voltage drops while lower voltage loads will have smaller voltage drops. At this point we have to think of the circuit as a 240v supplied series circuit as opposed to 120v individual circuits. The grounded reference was what maintained the 120v.
Check out my channel as one of the latest videos I've uploaded deals with open neutral situations in an unbalanced Edison three wire distribution.
Thanks for sharing. I have a pull out breaker next to the service box meter box. the main box is inside the house without a ground but the metal tube from the meter box to the main panel is wraped around with a ground but it never is attached to the ground bar. Should a ground be attached to the ground bar in this situration?
Really good and interesting
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That was a good explanation
Excellent presentation. Should be mandatory viewing for everyone working in
this field. Question, I see step down transformers where that units earth ground is either broken or missing, taken for whatever reason. So it would seem
that in the event OF AN OPEN NEUTRAL back to the transformer, the EMERGENCY back up would not work. RESULT HOT NEUTRAL toward the
transformer. Your thought please. thank you.
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Genius. May you make a video teaching how to wiring a lighting contactor? Thank you for share your knowledge.
I'm a brand new apprentice....all I heard was Japeness....wow ..probably really helpful for alot of people....but I'm a personality sales management type...and this just blows my mind....and I'm working with it everyday now
Great video
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Thanks, good information
Great Job! The most confusion occurs after the main panel with disconnects and subpanels. If you could explain why it should of should not be bonded back to the main and when we need to take additional grounding measures we could determine when and what is necessary without calling the inspector.
That's a great Idea to add!
Great vid
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Good job.
Excelent video, one question: if an isolated solar inverter has voltage between neutro and ground can I bond neutro and ground to eliminate de neutro voltage? Thanks a lot.
jose olavarria you inverter is a source of power like a generator and should be bonded at the first means of disconnect/ over current protection
The neutral buss or terminal in the solar service disconnect should be bonded to ground. If you have significant voltage between neutral and ground, then your neutral is not bonded at the main service disconnect or possibly the bonding path is broken somewhere.
If I use a bonded ground Gen is a ground rod ok? Have 2 100s and nutrual to box. Thanks
Great job… 😀 thx!
Is it code compliant to use EMT tubes, fixtures and metal boxes for grounding purposes? I guess it might depend on which country we're looking at, but I'm pretty near sure USA and Canada don't allow this, and require an actual bare conductor all the way to the point of use (AC outlet for example).
Can anyone confirm?
Thanks for the video BTW.
I can't speak specifically to the NEC but yes, Canada allows EMT, rigid raceways as a bonding means. We do not require a bonding conductor pulled separately for EMT for example. It would for sure be required in a PVC conduit, or if EMT was encased in concrete.
The boxes do also constitute as a bonding means. For example an EMT run from panel to junction box, then out to a device box. None of it would require a separate bonding conductor to be installed. The set screws and locknuts must all be done up tight though.
For the Canadian Electrical code, the reference is 10-610 1)a), but I don't have an NEC copy unfortunately.
Thanx for sharing master
Do you have any photos showing where and how to system ground and bonding of the wires at the transformer.
We use a grounding conductor from the service entrance to the toaster outlet
Yeah I was thinking this too...
Question: Service raceway is made of metal and is in contact with the panel. Say, if I don’t have both the neutral wire and service raceway bonding jumper I will still have return path to transformer neutral. The fault current will flow through the panel -> service raceway -> Meter Neutral Screw terminal -> back to transformer neutral. Is this correct ?
If your meter base is the point where the neutral is bonded to the system, then yes, you are correct.