@@MarkoKraguljacThis describes them exactly. Not all as some have just had fear instilled in them. The leaders and the outspoken ones are definitely this way. I finally confronted one earlier this week and ended my silence. They still can’t see past their own superiority and arrogance.
It's a little to late for them to salvage their "journalistic integrity." We have witnessed their complete mental breakdown and heard their lies for the last eight years. The new paper of record is the New York Post!
Yeah, just when the Islamic communities of Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania were literally praying for some support for their kinfolk in Gaza, the West Bank, Lebanon, Syria, and Iraq, Kamala Harris refused to even let a Palestinian speaker address the 'Democratic' convention (sic).
Let’s review for all the Democrats out there. In 2016 you managed to find the only candidate in the country that could lose to Trump. In 2024 there were two candidates that could lose to Trump and you swapped out one for the other. Absolutely brilliant; keep it up.
Both parties are equally walking corpses yet tragically and pathetically people seem to keep falling in line and falling for rhetoric and statements that they know to be untrue...people continually get upset when you use the term sheeple or cattle yet this is exactly what they've become.
They will only view themselves as unsuccessful if one believes that winning or helping citizens writ large is the primary driver of their behavior. If the primary goal is enrich corporations and kill off leftist ideas while supporting the American Empire, then for the 40th year in a row, it’s been another successful year for Team Blue. Look at how they act. Do they act broken? No, they act like the Oligarchs of Team red got one over on the corporations of team blue but there is enough overlap that it’s fine. They will never change because they are succeeding based on the metrics that matter to them. Same with the red racists, except with an extra helping of racism & lunacy.
We live in Hell, there is no realistic hope, so people buy lotto tickets, and vote for whichever less offensive nonsense is presented to them to pretend like they are authorizing over something else. Tell me you have some better nonsense to offer us sheeple and cattle...
Even here in Pennsylvania suburbs Harris lost ground with every demographic so much so that Republicans didn't even campaign but Trump flipped burgers and 🍟😂😊
@@gabrielleangelica1977 that, sadly, has been true since Clinton, also true with the UK's "New" Labour. the party of working people got bankrolled and effectively bought out in the late 1980's and it's not stopped ever since.
There is no democrats or republicans there is the donor class and they win either way. Both parties have been gutted out. The CEO From black rock says they win either way. 😮😮😮
I think Dick Cheney is actually a pretty smart, articulate guy. But, I'm never going to vote for the party of Dick Cheney, no matter what party that is.
When consumer sentiment is at recession levels as it has been since Covid….you can’t push social policy and immigration. That only works when times are good and people are feeling generous.
‘The Democratic Party Is A Walking Corpse’ - it is a little late to come up with this idea - a few weeks ago someone could have dressed up as the Democratic Party for Halloween
Hey Katie. No other way to bring this to your attention because I'm not on twitter, but a potential political ally in actress Debra Winger is working to overturn Citizens United with the activist Group America Promise; and her political bonafides and overall story seems like one you would be able to tackle perfectly. Just throwing it out there as this specific issue is one that's really important to me, and I know many in your audience as well. Obviously, I don't have her on speed dial, but know someone might know how to reach out to her in this particular orbit. Thanks.
@@ScarySox They aren't the right kind of trans people or women to matter to some. I don't know why the anger isn't placed with the people who decided they would rather lose than act right.
As an uneducated Harris voter I find the constant demeaning of my class as more than a little off putting. Not all 45 voters were stupid working people, my sister is a degreed professional who has been a maggot from the start.
(1) The whole reason why people in this country accept being taxed by the government beyond their will is that they are told they have "representation" in said government. (2) At present, we have no representation and this has been obvious for decades. And when I say "we," I'm referring to pretty much everyone in this country outside of the 1 - 2 percent at the top of the socioeconomic hierarchy. (3) Any politician in this country who isn't getting the voter support that they desire is getting EXACTLY what they've created, period, end of story.
Thomas Frank is so fun. If he knocked on my door selling gutter covers , I would buy them. If he bumped my car while parking outside of the after hours club, I would rub my hand over the bumper, frown at his frank admonition of clumsiness and then say, “listen Frank, I’ll let this go, but you owe me a drink at the club. Also, I need you to shave your mustache like John Waters or I’ll embezzle your insurance company for $500”, and he’d do that guffawing thing he does, but then we’d go inside and have a great time. Probably he’s into Charlie Parker. We could talk about that. Basically he’s breedable masculine material for the coming homomatriarchraty.
If god blesses America, you are Republican or Democrat, it means you are blessed. It doesn't matter what other think about this blessing. If you are blessed and morally rotten it's too the same.
Regarding promoting genuine creativity and innovation, this is the only solution: *All types of intellectual property (IP) laws must be fully abolished immediately, in any and all jurisdictions worldwide.* All IP laws are extremely unethical for humankind. ‘Against Intellectual Monopoly’ is the most informative book humanity has on the subject now. ‘Against Intellectual Property’ is _another_ incredible essay, but it’s written with right-libertarian rhetoric so if you’re, like me, not right-libertarian you’ll have to read with an open mind and extract the essential info. _Only_ these two texts are the gold standard when it comes to intellectual property.
This guy …. You think Vance is “mimicking” language? He is from rural Ohio, ground zero for the decimation caused by globalization. I thought this guy was supposed to have visited such places?
the same thing happened in England. The Labour Party was dead -- out of ideas, stale and not appealing on a mass scale. Tony Blair implemented the New Labour project. A move towards the centre, a focus on education, healthcare and the economy, a re-branding -- different symbol, younger MPs, different words, different themes. A PR revolution. A different type of leader. It worked.
Blair in the UK and Clinton in the US largely managed to placate the then dominant generation of Boomers by sponsoring measures which enabled greater consumerism and wealth among Boomers. Only problem is.... They totally f*cked the later generations in the process.
You Americans keep talking about 'the elites' as though there arent Republican elites. Or right wing media owners, billionaires, silicon valley and Wall St guys.
@orangewarm1 - indeed the Republicans are the party of the rich. The issue is that my party made a conscious decision to become a second party of the rich - and hide it. To do so, we hired the crazies, because they are really good at creating distractions and investing their fantasies with real emotion. They’re also prone to bizarre overstatements, insults, threats, and easily disproven apocalyptic claims. That’s what finally caught up to us this year. Note that a bunch of congressional Dems won in districts where Harris list badly. They did so by talking to people about inflation and not yelling at them about the End of Democracy.
You think Hamas is so terrible, but it's not even in the same league as the IDF in terms of terrorism, destruction, and total deaths. Regardless, we know your statement is false for many reasons. Why no freedom in the West Bank? Why no freedom in the 40 years prior to Hamas creation?
Dem Elite Introspection: "How have I failed to educate people about my greatness? What can I do to make them see my brilliance?"
Elitism in it's purest form!
correction - "how better and more sophisticated we are compared to that basket of ignorants"
People : How about you stop committing genocide?
Dems: Ah, I can't quite put my finger on it. What should we do?
@@MarkoKraguljacThis describes them exactly. Not all as some have just had fear instilled in them. The leaders and the outspoken ones are definitely this way. I finally confronted one earlier this week and ended my silence. They still can’t see past their own superiority and arrogance.
@@silentnot4812
Thank you Katie and Thomas. Independent journalists with journalistic integrity are the heroes of our time.
This is just the NYT trying to pivot
It's a little to late for them to salvage their "journalistic integrity." We have witnessed their complete mental breakdown and heard their lies for the last eight years. The new paper of record is the New York Post!
They sold out their base. Screw them.
Yeah, just when the Islamic communities of Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania were literally praying for some support for their kinfolk in Gaza, the West Bank, Lebanon, Syria, and Iraq, Kamala Harris refused to even let a Palestinian speaker address the 'Democratic' convention (sic).
Palestine is wrong about gays, women and Jews.
@@JayBee-cr8jm
Well, women and Jews, anyway...
Let’s review for all the Democrats out there. In 2016 you managed to find the only candidate in the country that could lose to Trump. In 2024 there were two candidates that could lose to Trump and you swapped out one for the other. Absolutely brilliant; keep it up.
Thank you. Catholic here. This was done well.
Thomas Frank and Ralph Nader are the two people I've been urging people to listen to for years. I wish more people had...
Both parties are equally walking corpses yet tragically and pathetically people seem to keep falling in line and falling for rhetoric and statements that they know to be untrue...people continually get upset when you use the term sheeple or cattle yet this is exactly what they've become.
They will only view themselves as unsuccessful if one believes that winning or helping citizens writ large is the primary driver of their behavior.
If the primary goal is enrich corporations and kill off leftist ideas while supporting the American Empire, then for the 40th year in a row, it’s been another successful year for Team Blue. Look at how they act. Do they act broken? No, they act like the Oligarchs of Team red got one over on the corporations of team blue but there is enough overlap that it’s fine.
They will never change because they are succeeding based on the metrics that matter to them.
Same with the red racists, except with an extra helping of racism & lunacy.
We live in Hell, there is no realistic hope, so people buy lotto tickets, and vote for whichever less offensive nonsense is presented to them to pretend like they are authorizing over something else.
Tell me you have some better nonsense to offer us sheeple and cattle...
grats, you win the emo award
yes they are both undead, but the RNC is Vampiric, DNC is zombified
What exactly would it take to change this perspective?
Even here in Pennsylvania suburbs Harris lost ground with every demographic so much so that Republicans didn't even campaign but Trump flipped burgers and 🍟😂😊
Trump flipping burgers is more authentic than Democrats!
Left the party under Biden. Poor became a 4 letter word for the Demonrats. ⚰️
@@gabrielleangelica1977 that, sadly, has been true since Clinton, also true with the UK's "New" Labour. the party of working people got bankrolled and effectively bought out in the late 1980's and it's not stopped ever since.
Nice to see Thomas Frank again!
Frank IS the out of touch liberal he talks about.
This is the fight the Professional Managerial Caste wanted with the working class. France wanted Dien Bien Phu.
4080 Well stated !
There is no democrats or republicans there is the donor class and they win either way. Both parties have been gutted out. The CEO From black rock says they win either way. 😮😮😮
Watching from Cartagena de Indias, Colombia. Thank you Katie and Thomas.
Living in a bubble is never a good idea no matter how joyful it may feel. Bubbles were made to be broken. Lobbies know that. Way.
I think Dick Cheney is actually a pretty smart, articulate guy. But, I'm never going to vote for the party of Dick Cheney, no matter what party that is.
Glad to see Thomas again...thanks, Katie!
Great guest. I hope he appears more often.
Thomas!! 🥳 💪
Make him a regular. His insights are very valuable.
Katie Halper .❤❤❤❤❤🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹💯💢💥💫
When consumer sentiment is at recession levels as it has been since Covid….you can’t push social policy and immigration. That only works when times are good and people are feeling generous.
Celebrities can’t get us to the theatre, let alone to vote a certain way…
‘The Democratic Party Is A Walking Corpse’ - it is a little late to come up with this idea - a few weeks ago someone could have dressed up as the Democratic Party for Halloween
There's always next year!
Much love to you both Katie Halper and Thomas Frank! Great journalism still exists in the quiet corners.
I finally finished The People No… on Tuesday and pairing it with hindsight, we really could see the result of this election.
Hey Katie. No other way to bring this to your attention because I'm not on twitter, but a potential political ally in actress Debra Winger is working to overturn Citizens United with the activist Group America Promise; and her political bonafides and overall story seems like one you would be able to tackle perfectly. Just throwing it out there as this specific issue is one that's really important to me, and I know many in your audience as well. Obviously, I don't have her on speed dial, but know someone might know how to reach out to her in this particular orbit. Thanks.
P.S. Great interview with you and Thomas!!!
I just bought Frank’s book today. It was on sale at Amazon.
In the UK Waterstones have seven books by Thomas Frank.
Which one did you get?
Someone is a legend in his own mind.
The party has a pretty deep base. There are a host of Democratic Governors that will make some fine candidates.
That wiped that smug look from their israeli faces.
THEY ARE STILL RICH AND WOMEN'S RIGHT AND MY TRANS RIGHTS ARE IN THE TOILET....FOR GAZA??? F THAT
@@ms.felonystrutter2472
Are 2,000lb bombs on tents not affecting trans people or women?🤔
@ms.felonystrutter2472 Trans rights….lol! The Zionist got you hook line and sinker.
@@ScarySox They aren't the right kind of trans people or women to matter to some. I don't know why the anger isn't placed with the people who decided they would rather lose than act right.
@@ms.felonystrutter2472- nah, F u. You dont give a shot about me so I dont give a shit about you.
Spot on baby!
As an uneducated Harris voter I find the constant demeaning of my class as more than a little off putting. Not all 45 voters were stupid working people, my sister is a degreed professional who has been a maggot from the start.
(1) The whole reason why people in this country accept being taxed by the government beyond their will is that they are told they have "representation" in said government.
(2) At present, we have no representation and this has been obvious for decades. And when I say "we," I'm referring to pretty much everyone in this country outside of the 1 - 2 percent at the top of the socioeconomic hierarchy.
(3) Any politician in this country who isn't getting the voter support that they desire is getting EXACTLY what they've created, period, end of story.
lets sure hope so!
Thomas Frank is so fun. If he knocked on my door selling gutter covers , I would buy them. If he bumped my car while parking outside of the after hours club, I would rub my hand over the bumper, frown at his frank admonition of clumsiness and then say, “listen Frank, I’ll let this go, but you owe me a drink at the club. Also, I need you to shave your mustache like John Waters or I’ll embezzle your insurance company for $500”, and he’d do that guffawing thing he does, but then we’d go inside and have a great time. Probably he’s into Charlie Parker. We could talk about that. Basically he’s breedable masculine material for the coming homomatriarchraty.
"…admonition of clumsiness…"? Huh?
I like this guy. Based. Totally
If you've been following him he is NOT based!
If god blesses America, you are Republican or Democrat, it means you are blessed. It doesn't matter what other think about this blessing. If you are blessed and morally rotten it's too the same.
Listen Liberal was awesome! The book he is currently working on sounds dumb but!
I hope this means Radical Islam will finally defeated.
Both parties, business, educational, professional, federal & state instutions are owned and paid for by the lobby owners.
Also really wonderful to hear the Audiobook version of Mr. Frank's article is his voice! Very nice!
Love this show.
Regarding promoting genuine creativity and innovation, this is the only solution:
*All types of intellectual property (IP) laws must be fully abolished immediately, in any and all jurisdictions worldwide.* All IP laws are extremely unethical for humankind.
‘Against Intellectual Monopoly’ is the most informative book humanity has on the subject now. ‘Against Intellectual Property’ is _another_ incredible essay, but it’s written with right-libertarian rhetoric so if you’re, like me, not right-libertarian you’ll have to read with an open mind and extract the essential info. _Only_ these two texts are the gold standard when it comes to intellectual property.
I also have a playlist (not _my_ videos) of *the* best videos on intellectual property laws on my channel for all interested.
This coming from a guy who scolded the Democrats (in retrospect) because they had the opportunity to nominate Fred Harris and did not.
As usual Thomas gets it right. These educated suburbans like in Princeton NJ will be never get it and therefore we are doomed.
Thomas and Katie - old friends great dynamic!!!
That guy seems really cool! awesome friends Katie
This guy …. You think Vance is “mimicking” language? He is from rural Ohio, ground zero for the decimation caused by globalization. I thought this guy was supposed to have visited such places?
J. Schumpeter's "Creative Destruction" ... drives the end of capitalism.
the same thing happened in England. The Labour Party was dead -- out of ideas, stale and not appealing on a mass scale. Tony Blair implemented the New Labour project. A move towards the centre, a focus on education, healthcare and the economy, a re-branding -- different symbol, younger MPs, different words, different themes. A PR revolution. A different type of leader. It worked.
☝☝☝☝☝☝☝☝💯
The Labour Party is dead as a doornail. Blair turned them into Conservatives Lite.
It worked in that now UK has three right wing parties (tories, Reform and Starmer's mess) and nothing works anymore.
Blair in the UK and Clinton in the US largely managed to placate the then dominant generation of Boomers by sponsoring measures which enabled greater consumerism and wealth among Boomers. Only problem is.... They totally f*cked the later generations in the process.
Thanks Katie. Could we request a General Strike on January 21?
You Americans keep talking about 'the elites' as though there arent Republican elites. Or right wing media owners, billionaires, silicon valley and Wall St guys.
@orangewarm1 - indeed the Republicans are the party of the rich. The issue is that my party made a conscious decision to become a second party of the rich - and hide it. To do so, we hired the crazies, because they are really good at creating distractions and investing their fantasies with real emotion. They’re also prone to bizarre overstatements, insults, threats, and easily disproven apocalyptic claims.
That’s what finally caught up to us this year. Note that a bunch of congressional Dems won in districts where Harris list badly. They did so by talking to people about inflation and not yelling at them about the End of Democracy.
This is dynamite!
Can you change your intro audio clip? We can't hear his voice anymore.
👍
8:18 actual election article discussion 😉😆
Corpse maker unlimited. Much trouble coming.
This man’s chewing is irritating
They got too rich too fast. Couldn't handle it
I was 350! 😂
Yawn
Chris hedges made some good point this week oligarch vs corporatists and the problems of the green……complements this interview well
Tom sure likes to blow his own horn.
Well, he’s been right for 20 years.
Democrats have turned over all three branches of government. Well done.
I wish the Palestinians hadn’t supported Hamas for the past 35 years. They could have had freedom and autonomy many times over.
🐄💩
@ You’re glad they did what they did?
You think Hamas is so terrible, but it's not even in the same league as the IDF in terms of terrorism, destruction, and total deaths. Regardless, we know your statement is false for many reasons. Why no freedom in the West Bank? Why no freedom in the 40 years prior to Hamas creation?
@@ScarySoxI just don’t understand you guys. Terrrsm should be condemned by reasonable people.
@@SinclairPoppins
But state terrorism is fine?
Would be nice if they stop talking over each other
yall banging