Great video. It's annoying whenever F1 fans call other championships "F1 reject series", like it's not just FE that gets that label, it's also WEC and Indycar. FE maybe gets the label a bit more because they are very good at scooping up talent that doesn't quite make it, but for me it's just more a compliment on the quality of the FE grid. There's a lot of very strong talents of drivers that could've made F1 but just missed out (Maloney, Ticktum, Evans, Da Costa, Frijns etc) and drivers that really should've stayed longer in F1 but lost out to lack of funding or politics (Vergne, Wehrlein, Vandoorne etc). Overall though I think FE has the 2nd best grid of single seater drivers just behind F1. It's a championship with very few pay drivers. I think the only reason people don't show it respect (from casual fans at least) is just because it's electric cars. I mean I've seen the same drivers get praised for what they do in WEC but then shat on for being in FE. It's just laughable sometimes. Guys like Massa and Giovinazzi show that FE is a different challenge and not a simple championship to crack. Same way Grosjean shows Indycar is no walk in the park. The level outside of F1 is still really high, and it's just annoying F1 blinded fans can't see that.
@@lewis8552 Absolutely agree! The amount of disrespect F1 fans have towards other “lesser” motorsports is honestly quite sad. These grids are absolutely stacked with the brightest young talents, who teams are often lucky to pick up. In F1 on the other hand, it’s often who brings the most money to the table. Kinda counterintuitive.
Massa was never a good driver to begin with in f1. He bottled the title massively in 2008 with a much superior car and kimi was sabotaged by ferrari. If massa won the title in 2008 he'd be labelled as the worst f1 champion of all time. Just look at how many times raikkonen had to gift him his position or how he suspiciously had 'problems'. Look up santander spygate
I was pretty excited to see Massa in FE, and I didn't think he did too badly in 2018-'19, even if he took a bit of time to get up to speed. And he seemed to be enjoying it at times too. His second season was poor though, and the enjoyment clearly vanished! The F1 rejects tag is really annoying and does a disservice as to how good most of these drivers actually are. F1 isn't the be-all-and-end-all of racing, far from it in fact. Do you have any favourite FE seasons? For me, I hold particular nostalgia towards 2017-'18 and 2018-'19, with 2022-'23 probably being my favourite of some of the more recent seasons.
@dominicbarden4436 Hey Dominic, glad to hear from you again! Agree on Massa, I do wonder how he would’ve done in the Gen 1 FE cars, considering those were a bit more similar to what he experienced in F1. In terms of my favorite season, I was on and off in my watching of FE over the first few years, 2016/17 is pretty nostalgic for me though, love those liveries. But my favorite season is honestly probably 2021/22. The last Gen 2 season, I feel like that was the peak for FE liveries, as well as some great racing.
@@SB10_FE 2016-'17 is an odd one for me, it might actually be my least favourite season (nip-and-tuck with 2020-'21 to be honest). I remember feeling a bit bored of it at times, probably because Buemi was winning everything and there wasn't much that could stop him apart from himself and his own team! I also don't know how to feel about the title fight that year, given that Buemi had to miss New York due to a WEC clash when surely the two series could've made sure they didn't have any clashes! And that's still an issue seven years later by the way! It probably turned the fight towards di Grassi, given how Buemi fared in Montreal (crashing in practice, his legendary rant to the Andretti drivers, etc.). 2021-'22 was a good season to be fair. It had a nice 'settled' pecking order with clear title contenders emerging as the campaign developed, which was a nice narrative to follow after the madness of 2020-'21. It was just a shame that that year was Sam Bird's annus horribilis! Trying to rank every season would be tricky, I think. Very subjective.
Thanks! Yeah it seemed like he really wasn't enjoying how energy conscious you had to be. He's more of a flat out, aggressive driver. Just not a good fit imo
Yea so he liked his first season but then when they did the rule change to make it more about energy consumption during his second season is when he started to hate it and as a fan that has been watching since season 1, I kinda agree. The energy saving pack racing that formula e has been doing the last few years is dumb as hell to me. And I'm hoping the gen 3 evo and upcoming gen 4 fixes all of that.
Well, if FE is full of Formula One rejects, then vice versa, F1 can be Formula E rejects, safe to say. Just kidding, but still; in FE, I don't see that many drivers buying a seat 😅. Plus, seasonal motorsport fans need to acknowledge FE is a different racing series with a different type of car; not all racing series can be referenced to F1. I've seen delusional fanbases trash talk about Andre Lotterer, who by the way, did well in FE but is also a 3-time Le Mans champion, one of the oldest racing events predating F1. But according to F1 fans, he's a shit driver because he didn't drive in F1 long stint. As if F1 is the be all and end all.
people say formula e is for f1 rejects but most formula e drivers from f1 were worst than the others; besides massa you had Giovinasi, Piquet,Vandorme,De vries, Hartley,Kobayashi, Villeneuve, Pic, VS the good ones of Wehlein, Buemi, Vergne and D'ambrodio
Massa was a horrible driver to begin with. If anyones actually bothered analysing massas career here is a summary: - he was dropped by sauber initiallt because of how much he underperformed - lost against all of his sauber teammates and barely beat a washed villeneuve - wasnt even close to an out of prime schumacher - bottled 2008 with a much superior ferrari that had much better aero grip The one thing i hate about this guy the most is how he has never credited raikkonen in his title fight chances in 2008. He was gifted the win in multiple races and was slower than kimi on every track. He only beat kimi because ferrari decided to change kimis suspension without telling him and then told him before spa 'if you dont win youll be number 2 to massa'. If anyone other than lewis deserved 2008 its kimi if he was not sabotaged by ferrari. Lewis deserved it the most but massa is crying about injustice when kimi had even bigger injustice because his teammate kept being destroyed. Just look at france where he had a suspicious issue that gifted massa a free win and gifted p2 in china 2008
Great video. It's annoying whenever F1 fans call other championships "F1 reject series", like it's not just FE that gets that label, it's also WEC and Indycar.
FE maybe gets the label a bit more because they are very good at scooping up talent that doesn't quite make it, but for me it's just more a compliment on the quality of the FE grid. There's a lot of very strong talents of drivers that could've made F1 but just missed out (Maloney, Ticktum, Evans, Da Costa, Frijns etc) and drivers that really should've stayed longer in F1 but lost out to lack of funding or politics (Vergne, Wehrlein, Vandoorne etc).
Overall though I think FE has the 2nd best grid of single seater drivers just behind F1. It's a championship with very few pay drivers. I think the only reason people don't show it respect (from casual fans at least) is just because it's electric cars. I mean I've seen the same drivers get praised for what they do in WEC but then shat on for being in FE. It's just laughable sometimes.
Guys like Massa and Giovinazzi show that FE is a different challenge and not a simple championship to crack. Same way Grosjean shows Indycar is no walk in the park. The level outside of F1 is still really high, and it's just annoying F1 blinded fans can't see that.
Completely agree with everything you've said, not much to add.
FE, Indy, WEC, etc. have great grids and great racing. I hate these elitist F1 fans.
@@lewis8552 Absolutely agree! The amount of disrespect F1 fans have towards other “lesser” motorsports is honestly quite sad.
These grids are absolutely stacked with the brightest young talents, who teams are often lucky to pick up. In F1 on the other hand, it’s often who brings the most money to the table. Kinda counterintuitive.
@@rishikaul5048 they think F1 drivers would dominate every series they enter
Massa was never a good driver to begin with in f1. He bottled the title massively in 2008 with a much superior car and kimi was sabotaged by ferrari.
If massa won the title in 2008 he'd be labelled as the worst f1 champion of all time. Just look at how many times raikkonen had to gift him his position or how he suspiciously had 'problems'. Look up santander spygate
Interesting video. Massa definitely had a way better first season than I remembered. Thanks for posting!
Thank you!
Massa wasn't the same after that F1 crash in 09' when that spring hit him. my heart sank when i was watching that race live
I was pretty excited to see Massa in FE, and I didn't think he did too badly in 2018-'19, even if he took a bit of time to get up to speed. And he seemed to be enjoying it at times too. His second season was poor though, and the enjoyment clearly vanished!
The F1 rejects tag is really annoying and does a disservice as to how good most of these drivers actually are. F1 isn't the be-all-and-end-all of racing, far from it in fact.
Do you have any favourite FE seasons? For me, I hold particular nostalgia towards 2017-'18 and 2018-'19, with 2022-'23 probably being my favourite of some of the more recent seasons.
@dominicbarden4436 Hey Dominic, glad to hear from you again! Agree on Massa, I do wonder how he would’ve done in the Gen 1 FE cars, considering those were a bit more similar to what he experienced in F1.
In terms of my favorite season, I was on and off in my watching of FE over the first few years, 2016/17 is pretty nostalgic for me though, love those liveries. But my favorite season is honestly probably 2021/22. The last Gen 2 season, I feel like that was the peak for FE liveries, as well as some great racing.
@@SB10_FE 2016-'17 is an odd one for me, it might actually be my least favourite season (nip-and-tuck with 2020-'21 to be honest). I remember feeling a bit bored of it at times, probably because Buemi was winning everything and there wasn't much that could stop him apart from himself and his own team! I also don't know how to feel about the title fight that year, given that Buemi had to miss New York due to a WEC clash when surely the two series could've made sure they didn't have any clashes! And that's still an issue seven years later by the way! It probably turned the fight towards di Grassi, given how Buemi fared in Montreal (crashing in practice, his legendary rant to the Andretti drivers, etc.).
2021-'22 was a good season to be fair. It had a nice 'settled' pecking order with clear title contenders emerging as the campaign developed, which was a nice narrative to follow after the madness of 2020-'21. It was just a shame that that year was Sam Bird's annus horribilis!
Trying to rank every season would be tricky, I think. Very subjective.
Great video! I've seen Massa in some interviews saying that he didn't like FE
Thanks! Yeah it seemed like he really wasn't enjoying how energy conscious you had to be. He's more of a flat out, aggressive driver. Just not a good fit imo
Yea so he liked his first season but then when they did the rule change to make it more about energy consumption during his second season is when he started to hate it and as a fan that has been watching since season 1, I kinda agree. The energy saving pack racing that formula e has been doing the last few years is dumb as hell to me. And I'm hoping the gen 3 evo and upcoming gen 4 fixes all of that.
You should make a video on Nyck de Vries
Well, if FE is full of Formula One rejects, then vice versa, F1 can be Formula E rejects, safe to say.
Just kidding, but still; in FE, I don't see that many drivers buying a seat 😅. Plus, seasonal motorsport fans need to acknowledge FE is a different racing series with a different type of car; not all racing series can be referenced to F1.
I've seen delusional fanbases trash talk about Andre Lotterer, who by the way, did well in FE but is also a 3-time Le Mans champion, one of the oldest racing events predating F1.
But according to F1 fans, he's a shit driver because he didn't drive in F1 long stint. As if F1 is the be all and end all.
people say formula e is for f1 rejects but most formula e drivers from f1 were worst than the others; besides massa you had Giovinasi, Piquet,Vandorme,De vries, Hartley,Kobayashi, Villeneuve, Pic, VS the good ones of Wehlein, Buemi, Vergne and D'ambrodio
winter slop
Ah but for Formula E, we are in race season!
Massa was a horrible driver to begin with. If anyones actually bothered analysing massas career here is a summary:
- he was dropped by sauber initiallt because of how much he underperformed
- lost against all of his sauber teammates and barely beat a washed villeneuve
- wasnt even close to an out of prime schumacher
- bottled 2008 with a much superior ferrari that had much better aero grip
The one thing i hate about this guy the most is how he has never credited raikkonen in his title fight chances in 2008. He was gifted the win in multiple races and was slower than kimi on every track.
He only beat kimi because ferrari decided to change kimis suspension without telling him and then told him before spa 'if you dont win youll be number 2 to massa'.
If anyone other than lewis deserved 2008 its kimi if he was not sabotaged by ferrari. Lewis deserved it the most but massa is crying about injustice when kimi had even bigger injustice because his teammate kept being destroyed. Just look at france where he had a suspicious issue that gifted massa a free win and gifted p2 in china 2008